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Highlights of Tom Martin’s recent visit to Man Boobz. KEYWORDS: London School of Economics, Lawsuit, Tossed Out, Whore.

In fact, the correct figure is 97 percent.

The other day we met an MRA named Tom Martin, who filed an “anti-male discrimination” suit against the London School of Economics, only to have his case thrown out of court by a deeply unimpressed judge.

After I blogged about this, Mr. Martin showed up here to offer some commentary on his case, and on matters of wider import. As a public service of sorts, I would like to present to you all some selected highlights from his comments here, in case you didn’t have the time to read through the entire 1000+ comment thread that ensued. And even those who did make it through the comments will no doubt be pleased to be reminded of some of their favorite Tom Martin bon mots.

In case anyone suffers from the delusion that Mr. Martin actually is some sort of egalitarian, these comments should clarify matters for you.

And yes, it has been confirmed via email that this is the real Tom Martin commenting. Accept no substitutes!

The word of the day is: whore.

Are you sitting comfortably? Then let’s begin. These are in chronological order; each title links to the full comment in context.

The Misandrist Chair Conspiracy:

One year prior to joining the university, when visiting its library, I did complain, that the seating being hard created a greater disadvantage for men than for women, as men have considerably smaller weight-bearing buttock pads than women, and men are heavier too – so for men, on average heavier than women, have more weight bearing down onto a pad which is approximately four times smaller than women’s on average – according to a BBC documentary on the subject.

The Misandrist Chair Conspiracy 2: Misandrist Boogaloo

The EHRC actually agreed with me, that hard chairs are inappropriate for a library, as they impact men more. When we consider that only 2 out of 5 degrees go to men, the gender gap widening, then anything we can do to make men more comfortable taking the academic route, the better.

Given that higher educational attainment increases life expectancy for men, and given that increased educational attainment in men also decreases their violence against women among other things.

Too bad, ladies – he’s taken!

Anti-male shaming tactics are always used at the point of losing an argument, Hellkell.

When someone asks me “What sort of woman would go out with a men’s rights activist?” I reply “the sort of woman who isn’t a whore.”

Tom Martin’s 14 Point Anti-Prostitute Program:

Some of you want to know why I think prostitution is bad.

1. Sex is only ever any good when it is based on mutual attraction.

2. Charging for sex excludes men who cannot afford it, thus heightening male-on-male competition for money, which generates the conditions for war.

3. Prostitutes spend so long being pounded on, without orgasm, that it causes a condition akin to ‘blue balls’ in men – I think it’s referred to as ‘pelvic block’ in women, but has other names too, where veins in the female pelvic region become over-pressurized, causing pain and swelling. In some cases, an operation is required to release the pressure. You will see it in some porn stars. Their rectum will look swollen, and the tissue either side of the vaginal area too.

4. Prostitutes spend so long on the job, it stops them making better use of their lives. It hinders their emotional and intellectual development.

5. Prostitutes express more misandry than the average woman. Being a prostitute is misandry-inducing, or perhaps misandrists are more likely to choose prostitution, but either way, prostitution correlates with misandry – and misandry is bad, as it perpetuates fear or mistrust of men, which perpetuates sex segregation, which perpetuates male-on-male competition, which increases brain capacity for aggression (in both sexes), whilst decreasing brain capacity for empathy and higher thought.

6. Prostitution is an aggregate sex segregation, as prostitutes take themselves out of the free association and free sex zone, and wait for paying customers – and though paying customers and prostitutes are not sex-segregating whilst having sex, she quickly has to get him out to do the next customer, so there is less organic natural association between the sexes throughout the course of the day – and the association which does take place is fake or bought, rather than free association.

7. Prostitutes are boring.

8. There is no Nobel Prize for services to prostitution for a reason.

9. Gold-diggers are more stupid than average women.

10. Housewives are more fascistic than average women.

11. Economically inactive female model societies are more fascistic than normal societies.

12. Men associating with prostitutes or economically inactive gold-digger housewhores etc are more fascistic than average men.

13. Prostitution was the historic norm, and civilizations have less prostitution as they advance, so less prostitution probably related to advancement.

14. Less prostitutional sex-segregated societies produce better more balanced ratio of women to men (more women), causing men to make more sensible, less rash or flashy spending decisions.

I’m sure there are many more related reasons I could go into, about why prostitution is bad.

I think it should be fully legalized, but that these women should pay the highest rate of tax, and be first draft in any military conscription.

He’s writing a book!

I do have a book, on the way, based on some experimental psychology I’m conducting. As soon as I put this gender studies industry out of its misery, I’ll let you know.

Fems: It’s time to renounce your whoredom!

I’m asking feminists in particular to renounce prostitution in all its forms. …

It is my estimation, that as little as 3% of women have actually made a conscious decision to treat men as equals, never expect any money from men, and actively promote more egalitarian gender roles (rather than begrudgingly suffer them), by celebrating the less worky roles afforded men. …

From a straight male perspective, the potential mate pool is quite full of hypergamous gold-diggers and prostitutes, the stand up egalitarian women few and far between, so yes, not only should women renounce prostitution in all its forms, but they should buy the T shirt or get the tattoo as well or something.

Just like it being polite to inform someone first if you have a social disease, you should inform someone first if you are a gold-digger/whore/housewife wannabe etc.

But then, there are a lot of women who swear blind they’re not whores who are – so some kind of renouncement on their part, where they’re putting a bit of heart into it, might be in order. Maybe an fMRI lie detecting brain scan certificate to show you’ve passed the test.

But if fems just want to go with “I can’t believe you think women are whores. How misogynistic” then its really falling well short of the mark – given women’s woeful track record in this department so far.

So come on then, who is going to be the first to renounce prostitution in all its forms?

At least Rosa Parks got a seat:

Be honest, you’re not sitting on a hard seat right now, so why should you when you’re in a library?

My position was vindicated by the authorities taking it seriously at the time. …

They also put a three piece couch and seats into the library after my successful complaint,

so I am actually very pleased about that, and you suck….

[I]n Saudi Arabia, two men have to vacate a bus seat for one woman. …

So, we all know who Rosa Parks was. The black person who didn’t want to sit at the back of the bus – and quite right too, but at least she got a seat.

But when it is men being forced out of their seats, and by economically inactive Saudi whores – professional whore feminists just laugh it off or make BS excuses.

Scum.

Saudi Arabia: A Whorish Matriarchy

In many ways, Saudi Arabian men are probably the most discriminated against men in the world.

Firstly, it costs more for a Saudi Arabian men to marry than for any for other men in the world on average (in relative to national average earnings).

Secondly, Saudi Arabian women are the laziest whores in the world, with just 22% of them in even a part-time job (and that 22% figure bolstered by the foreign women shipped in to do certain work).

Thirdly, Islamic law says what a man earns, he must share, but what his wife earns, she can keep. …

[O]n balance, given Saudi men are doing all the hard work, not only should Saudi women be giving up their seats to Saudi men if anything, victim-feminists should be ashamed of themselves for portraying Saudi women as the uniquely oppressed class. Far from it.

Saudi Arabia is an advanced country, where the female population is highly educated. Saudi scientists are among the best in the world. Saudi doctors successfully separated conjoined twins at the head – both twins living – but that same scientific community has so far been unable to separate Saudi Arabian women’s enormous asses from their couches. There is a way though. When Saudi men learn to stop giving women money and gifts, the women will have no choice but to rise up, get a job, demand driving licenses, etc.

Saudi women just laugh at patriarchy theory. They know they’re lazy whores pulling all strings. Saudi men on the other hand, have never had their issues addressed, and are very receptive to change.

Islamic states are whoriarchies – which neither men or women would want to be associated with, once they’ve had it properly explained.

Did I explain already that Muslim women are whores?

Muslim women are quids in the whores.

Their civilizations are down the pan, but as long as they’ve got one over on the men, they don’t seem to give a shit.

I would totally take my anti-Muslim-whore crusade to the streets, but Muslim women are too scary:

[I]f Muslim women want Muslim men to change the laws, then they can simply order their husbands or suitors to do this.

Similarly, they could order their husbands to vote for full female voting rights. …

I would be standing on a street corner in some Muslim land explaining it, but that would be too risky for my personal safety, or any man’s personal safety. It is easier for women to rise up without getting shot than for men, on gender politics issues.

Nevertheless, I will be translating my experiments’ findings and book into Arabic.

All those people who say I’m “whoring” by asking for donations to my legal fighting fund, are missing the point

Whore whore whore whore:

“Whoriarchy” is not a perfect term, but a more accurate description of the state of affairs on gender relations everywhere than “patriarchy” – and a lot less glamorous. …

Professional feminists are whores. This includes David Futrelle. His job is not to reflect accurately, but mock, so he is a delaying gatekeeper, attempting to exclude men’s equality debates, by making misleading representations about the men’s rights movement’s core values and goals.

We need a word for women who aren’t whores:

[C]urrently, to my knowledge, there is no word in the English language, for a woman who is not a whore. For a woman who has rejected all forms of prostitution.

“Independent” – okay, could mean “has a job”, but not specific enough. I mean Beyonce claims to be an “Independent” woman, but then she also wants men to pay her telephone bills, and put a ring on it – so, no. If Beyonce has a job, it’s as a prostitute.

“Egalitarian” – too general. Sounds like she’s weighing up whoring options equally.

“Feminist” – too much gold-digging of government resources, and sucking cocks for money, so no.

Women who have chosen to have nothing to do with prostitution in any of its forms should not even have to mention the word when describing their awesome credentials, and credo. Most women are prostitutes to some extent, so ‘woman’ doesn’t do it either for the time being.

We need a new word…

Ladies, make yourself useful!

Ladies, you have had expensive educations, surpassing men’s in duration. Your parents assisted you more with university fees than they did their sons. The jobs market is set up to positively discriminate in your favour if you’ll only put the effort in. Men are willing to do more childcare if you will only stop complaining about them not doing it right etc, and actually transfer the parental leave to them. Men have put men on the moon. All you need to do, is express some breast milk and get it into the fridge so you can return to your glorious careers and create or invent us all something useful. Please don’t invent us any more cupcakes though. …

The human race needs you to put down the crockery, and make a proper contribution to the advancement of civilization. Feminism’s “glass ceiling” story is the metaphorical glass ball and chain excuse for defeatism and inertia required for you never to have to leave the kitchen. We have microwave meals now – go and make yourselves a tad more useful.

March of the Penguin Whores:

Female penguins are whores

Not ALL women are whores:

For the record, I would never claim all women are whores. I’d put it at around the 97% mark in my estimation – so back off, haters.

What do we want! To inconvenience whores! When do we want it? Now!

Liberating men involves mildly inconveniencing whores. It’s a win/win.

Ladies! Stop being whores and invent something.

There is a limit to just how un-whorey you need to get. Once you’ve hit zero, then you’re at your target whoring level, of not being a whore. Move on. File a patent. Write a joke. Find a cure for something. Not being a whore isn’t a vocation in and of itself. “And the Nobel Prize for not being a whore goes to… .”

9 out of 10 patents are awarded to men, and yet in factual media, men are portrayed positively only 1 time out of 10. Don’t be one of those media douches pretending men aren’t anything other than freaking awesome.

Tom Martin: Boy Inventor

I have invented something, and am working on prototypes.

I have previously sought a patent application for another invention.

And I’ve built lots of things too.

I’ve also made daisy chains.

My cat made a hairball, but you don’t see her bragging about that.

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Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@abeegoesbuzz

So one of the biggest names in the MRM is a supporter of incest? all scanned and made proof for all of us to see.

I think I’m going to be sick.

stonerwithaboner
8 years ago

wait, is this real….

[according to Farrell] Mother-son incest represents 10 percent of the incidence and is 70 percent positive, 20 percent mixed, and 10 percent negative for the son. For the mother it is mostly positive. Farrell points out that boys don’t seem to suffer, not even from the negative experience. “Girls are much more influenced by the dictates of society and are more willing to take on sexual guilt.”

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell2.htm

meeples
meeples
8 years ago

maybe The Book is a thesaurus – redefined to meet the versatility of the word whore?
bringing new meaning to long-accepted and never-questioned terms like ‘that whorey old chestnut’ or ‘whore frost’, the barbarian ‘whoreds’, not to mention the proverbial ‘misers whored’

Tom needs a hearty exwhoretation to publish, or be damned!

stonerwithaboner
8 years ago

“Blacks were forced, via slavery, to risk their lives in cotton fields so that whites might benefit economically while blacks died prematurely. Men were forced, via the draft, to risk their lives on battlefields so that everyone else might benefit economically while men died prematurely. The disproportionate numbers of blacks and males in war increases both blacks’ and males’ likelihood of experiencing post-traumatic stress, of becoming killers in post-war civilian life as well, and of dying earlier. Both slaves and men died to make the world safe for freedom-someone else’s.

Slaves had their own children involuntarily taken away from them; men have their own children involuntarily taken away from them. We tell women they have the right to children and tell men they have to fight for children.

Blacks were forced, via slavery, into society’s most hazardous jobs; men are forced, via socialization, into society’s most hazardous jobs. Both slaves and men constituted almost 100% of the “death professions.” Men still do.

When slaves gave up their seats for whites, we called it subservience; when men give up their seats for women, we call it politeness. Similarly, we called it a symbol of subservience when slaves stood up as their master entered a room; but a symbol of politeness when men stand up as a woman enters the room. Slaves bowed before their masters; in traditional cultures, men still bow before women.2 The slave helped the master put on his coat; the man helped the woman put on her coat. He still does. These symbols of deference and subservience are common with slaves to masters and with men to women.

Blacks are more likely than whites to be homeless; men are more likely than women to be homeless.

Blacks are more likely than whites to be in prison; men are about 20 times as likely as women to be in prison.

Blacks die earlier than whites; men die earlier than women.”

http://dottal.org/LBDUK/male%20as%20nigger.htm

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

the original screencaps from the hustler magazine are all there numbered 1 to 6….how would his worshipping MRA followers react to his assertion that boys don’t suffer from incest at the hands of their mothers?

stonerwithaboner
8 years ago

anyways, one comment went in mod because I quoted part of his text and it probably went into moderation because it had a racial slur….

as far as the incest stuff, I’m pretty shocked. Like this is ten times worse if it is stuff he said and not so far out of context then anything I could’ve imagined…

stonerwithaboner
8 years ago

and when I mean ou of context…

if he was reading something back from a report that said, “okay x percent from y study said that z was not traumatizing”–

that is an entirely different thing than someone saying “I am supporting x because y said that z is not traumatizing.”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@stonderwithaboner:

Therefore, boob roll.

stonerwithaboner
8 years ago

look, kirbywarp…

I’m seriously shocked…

and just for the record I don’t support incest or “genital petting” or whatever they were calling it there…

I really couldn’t look at that any longer…

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

stone, as far as him just saying what one study said…. his book is not random thoughts on random studies, they are presented in a context of significance unless he is saying, “look at this crap” or whatever. So yes, context gives a clue, but what are you imagining? That he’s filling his book with random studies that are neither here nor there and he takes no opinion on them?

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

Yeah, I forgot about that incest stuff.
That means that as a person Farrell has some screws loose, but I wanted gender pay gap stuff and etc la tee dah.

Will check the link nao… and thanks for posting them. Also I’m considering doing a video on those incest statements. What a fucking moron. When girls are effected they’re internalizing something from society? What trash. I hate the way social construct is used for such evil purposes. “Society tells you rape is bad, that’s all”. BAH.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

What an asshat. He’s still denying the horrid shit he said when the magazine scans are right there in front of him. If he truly didn’t say any of that why doesn’t he sue Penthouse who ran the article in the first place? not to mention why didn’t he do it when it was released in 1977? Sounds like he’s just pissed he got found out.

shaenon
8 years ago

Pretty much. He sent me an email from the email address he uses on his website and elsewhere, and thanked me for not censoring his comments here. Then he called me a chicken when I declined to fly to London to be in his documentary.

Wait, are you supposed to pay for the plane ticket, hotel, etc.? Tell him that if he expects people to spend their own hard-earned manly money to be in his movie, that makes him a WHORE.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Stoner, this isn’t exactly new information (about Farrell). Given how obsessed you are with both MRAs and feminism, you really should be paying more attention, especially in the case of people who you wish to present as moderates.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

What an asshat. He’s still denying the horrid shit he said when the magazine scans are right there in front of him. If he truly didn’t say any of that why doesn’t he sue Penthouse who ran the article in the first place? not to mention why didn’t he do it when it was released in 1977?

The magazine got hacked, clearly.

Lars Fischer (@lpfischer)

I propose “Female penguins are whores” as the new motto for the MRA movement.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

I don’t know how to link to specific comments, but on p14 of the original thread, in his response to Quackers, Tom Martin also asserts that all women who speak to men are whores (because controlling them) and all women who don’t speak to men are whores (because HIDING PRECIOUS INFORMATIONS from them), so that’s two more for the list.

Also, just for the uberlulz, on Twitter the other day he said that I ‘live on the oxygen of false accusations’. That would be I, TheNatFantastic. Not him.

He seems to have deleted that one, possibly realising quite how dimwitted it was, but he’s left some other corkers up: https://twitter.com/#!/Sexismbusters (I like the one where he says ‘well done for being crap then’ to me when I laughed at his sorry arse being thrown out of court. SICK BURN.)

Helen
8 years ago

I realise that all people like Tom Martin merit is sarcasm but these men leave me so shocked I can’t even think of replying in a sarcastic tone (especially after a long cursed day in the work place!) Seriously even the most misogynistic men I have met have normally used Saudi Arabia as an example of repression for women ! How did this guy get into university in the first place? Sorry again for typos on my phone and enjoying all the great responses to this great example of a British male!

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@NatFantastic: To link to a previous comment, go to it, then click on the highlighted date/time stamp at the top, and that gives you the link!

http://manboobz.com/2012/03/20/highlights-of-tom-martins-recent-visit-to-man-boobz-keywords-london-school-of-economics-lawsuit-tossed-out-whore/comment-page-2/#comment-137619

kiki
kiki
8 years ago

all the great responses to this great example of a British male!

Oi missus – no anti-British digs please.

I myself am a proud Londoner. I live in the Seven Whores Sisters area, in the borough of Whoringay Harringay.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

Thanks Ithilaiana 🙂

Xanthë
8 years ago

Hi TheNatFantastic, chiming in to say your coining the word schadenfreudegasm in joy at hearing of Tom’s case being chucked out gives me a nerdtastic neologismgasm. Thanks for that!

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Seating and whores!

When your movement rants about insufficiently comfy chairs, it’s either totally irrelevant or the Cushioned Buttocks Lobby.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

so could you give some examples of why he is a “boob”?

This is minor compared to the incest thing, but he sucks utterly at history. The entire premise of his idiotic theory of male disposability requires you to forget that women exist.

No, seriously, the claim ‘women dominate the bottom of society’ is predicated on a lot of things that aren’t war (Which can’t really be called the bottom of society in most of western history, and a lot of other places as well), and those things are in factual accuracy. For instance, he pretends men did most of the labor in human history, and are the only ones to work. This is factually inaccurate; women throughout all of history, in most social classes, work. And not just inside the home either (Although this is work we need to stop pretending isn’t work, as it’s basically unpaid labor that we deny credit to); only the upper class has traditionally been able to afford only one income. The textile manufactories of england, for instance, were predated by women doing piecework stitching for cash. Women of the industrial revolution worked, frequently, in multiple industries. There were company towns where the majority population of workers were female.

Even leave it to beaver USA, middle class women had to work, primarily as saleswomen within communities. This idea that women didn’t bring in incomes is *laughable*, and it was done while raising kids and doing housework (To be fair, the latter two have also been portioned out by the middle class, in different eras and circumstances, as has working). Even if women didn’t work for pay, they’d *still* be doing countless hours of unremunerated, thankless labor, but they *did* work for pay. And they are generally poorer for the same time spent.

Oh, and putting aside where homeless women are erased, women still predominate the folks under the poverty line (in the US at least), so farrell didn’t even get basic facts for his theory right. He’s an idiot.

shigekuni
8 years ago

I’m not surprised that Joe brought up the horrible, horrible blog by Maggie McNeil. If I may quote: ““If you want to keep your husband sexually happy the best advice I can give you is, get the word “no” out of your vocabulary!” and “women need to either provide enough sex or expect that their men will get it elsewhere” http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/a-whore-in-the-bedroom/ and from another delightful post “to a large degree white women represent a “forbidden fruit” to black men, something that was off-limits to them for a long time; and though society no longer prohibits interracial relationships a white sex partner still spells success to many black men, which is why so many wealthy ones (such as O.J. Simpson and Tiger Woods) marry white, usually blonde, women.” http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/black-men/ and I’m not even bothering with the transphobia elsewhere on that blog.

shigekuni
8 years ago

Otoh, the context here is Tom Martin, so, you know, it’s still miles and miles above that. There’s a lot of rather decent stuff on the blog, compared to the MRA fare that manboobz points out.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Whoop, that’s “Men dominate the bottom of society! Whoopsie XD

Lu
Lu
8 years ago

OMFG. The 14-point-prositute-bashing is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard of. Ever.
Has this guy – who studies at an ECONOMY-oriented university of international renown – never even heard of offering of services? Never even heard of the DEMAND ruling the market?
Sex work is a service, which is in demand. That’s why it’s still around after millenia. It’s one of those professions that will never – ever – disappear. The more problematic aspects of sex work aside, but seriously? This dude does not know the FIRST thing about economy. Let alone sex work. Or, for that matter, the definition of the word “fascist”. My mind, she’s a-bogglin’.

Pam
Pam
8 years ago

Women of the industrial revolution worked, frequently, in multiple industries.

Including having worked in the coal mines, one of the top workplaces in MRA’s citing of bottom-rung occupational areas that are and have been filled exclusively by men.

Kyso K
Kyso K
8 years ago

It’s been asked several times already howthis guy made it into any grad school much less a gender studies program at the London School of Economics. So I just took a few seconds out of my day to feel bad for whomever didn’t get that spot. Whoever they were, they couldn’t have been worse than him.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

@Futrelle – well, I work on the premise that unless I can link through to an original source, that anything you write here may be, y’know, total BS. So, yeah, I’m not going to believe you… But I just clicked thro’ Sexismbusters.org to Tom Martin’s twitter account, and yep it’s whores this and whores the other…. So maybe he really has been over here…

As for what-I-thought-about Tom Martin, I’d read the front page of his site, seen one of his in-the-street videos aaaand thought he was on a hiding to nothing with his lawsuit. I mean, this is the UK, where one woman murdered her sleeping husband, got released and was given a medal for bravery by the PM’s wife. Oh, and a few months back, a couple of UK politicians seriously floated the idea of abolishing prison for women. Not joking. Really.

So, the idea that he might win a suit based on the content of Gender Studies being sexist?? No chance. Everyone knows Gender Studies are purely sexist. If the system didn’t approve of that sexism, it wouldn’t FUND it in universities. But it does. Just like the UK has a Minister for Women and no Minister for Men. Because sexism against men is something the UK gov’t / system / establishment WANTS. Institutional misandry is a very useful tool for the Assholes In Charge (AIC) they love it, and they won’t give it up because of some student with a lawsuit.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

That should read “the idea of abolishing prison for women CRIMINALS”….

Obviously.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

@shigekuni – what transphobia?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: shigekuni

“women need to either provide enough sex or expect that their men will get it elsewhere”

And people wonder how people in sexually abusive relationships are pressured not to leave… *rolls eyes* I hate that sentiment for the hell it wreaked on my life.

Helen
8 years ago

I am British too – not meaning to have a dig at the British in particular -sorry-but I have experience of a few awful men here (some in my family I escaped from and my last line of work was in a women’s charity where we had a safe house for women fleeing abuse.Generally most people are more enlightened and apologies for crude stereotypes!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Joe

MAYBE? Dude. Whaddaya need, he frickin’ went and e-mailed the mod, says the exact same shit… and that warrants a “maybe”?

And nonono, he’s a WHORE with a lawsuit. Keep up the pace here, man.

–Rogan

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Just like the UK has a Minister for Women and no Minister for Men.

This may be because, historically, women were mostly ignored in terms of government help. The National Insurance Act (1911) only covered primary wage-earners (mostly men); it wasn’t until the founding of the NHS (1946) that women were able to get state healthcare. Most MPs and Lords are Oxbrigde-educated white males. We need someone to specially speak up for us and our issues because otherwise they get overlooked. Most of the other departments cover men’s issues because ‘mens’ issues’ and ‘people’s issues’ are considered nigh-synonymous.

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Joe, how do you hold “Tom Martin is all whores this and whores that, and even I can see that” in your head at the same time as “Tom Martin is a victim of the misandrist system”?

Does it make you go all cross-eyed?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Okay, this has to work. Tom Martin! Joe doesn’t believe you’re Tom Martin! I’ve said your name three times now, Tom Martin, so you have to show up to explain to Joe you’re the real Tom Martin now!

C’mon, dude, I’m counting on you! Your verbosity’s gotta be good for something!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Holly

Nah, see, he’s a victim of the misandrist system BECAUSE 97% of women are whores.

kiki
kiki
8 years ago

No worries Helen. Although our new aspiring chew-toy Joe doesn’t seem to be helping matters.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

@lots of people – I didn’t point you at Maggie’s blog because – argument.

Frankly, I thought it’d be a more interesting and productive use of your time (whether you agree / disagree with some / all of what she writes) than all the whhhorrreeeeessssss!!! ranting.

Re: sex work. Just like among feminists there is disagreement re. sex work among men’s rights peeps (That I have read. I have by no means read anything approaching all of it. I mean there’s an enormous shitload out there). There is a lot of men’s rights advocates people who are FOR decriminalisation of sex work and sex workers and punters.

The chance for safer working environments, protection* by the law and coppers, etc. for the sex workers themselves. (*instead of exploitation, theft & rape)
Punters able to buy adult sexy fun time, knowing the price up front and without risk of criminalisation.
Easier to promote saf(er) sex practices.

In a nutshell – consenting adults free to engage with each other in free exchange of cash/goods/whatever for services rendered.
Decriminalisation is a win / win for everyone**. IMO.

I sincerely believe that prostitution and the work that sex workers do is a cornerstone of “civilization” and that sex workers deserve applause rather than contempt.
So, yeah, I disagree with Tom Martin’s anti-whore position and strongly dislike his use of the term “whore” as something horrible and shaming.

(**Same with drugs, by the way. I’m anti-prohibition.)

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

@Helen

Brit five!

And I can vouch for British men – although they are a varied lot, most of the ones I know are charming, witty, friendly, delightful, and fond of domesticated fluffy animals.

kiki
kiki
8 years ago

I work on the premise that unless I can link through to an original source, that anything you write here may be, y’know, total BS.

Hey, Joe – I tried to read through the rest of your post about the EVIL MISANDRITS UK GOV OMG, but gosh, there were just so many links, I didn’t have time to wade through them all! Don’t worry though – I’m sure nothing you write could ever be, ‘y’know, total BS’.

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

Joe, David has no inaccuracies on this blog, as far as context problems or claiming things were said that weren’t said. His links stack up etc. so for you to ASSUME something is BS until proven otherwise just shows you’re an indoctrinated asshole.

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy –
The system doesn’t change because Tom says X. Whatever X is.

The system is what it is.
Which is, in many aspects, misandrist.
(Aspects of UK criminal justice and family court being a couple of important e.g.s.)

I don’t have to agree with Tom’s POV to see that.

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

kidna sorta ninja’d by kiki

Yeah, now on the other hand of what I just said, we have MRAs that have the strangest twist on the most straight forward of articles.

I’m supposed to believe that someone was given a medal of honor for murdering some dude in his sleep.

What you’re doing my dear… is projecting your untrustworthy character all over David. I’ve already caught you lying about my posts regarding a news article, which you never apologized for or addressed. I have yet to meet an MRA that is just straightforward and not completely bobbing and weaving and living delusions. Please point an honest and sincere MRA out to me that is willing to TALK about evidence contrary to what they believe, and acknowledge when they lose a point. I’m still waiting to run across one. It’s like this movement draws nothing but snakey liars. Even Bernard Chapin is not on the up and up and he probably is the best your movement has to offer.

The answer is that as soon as someone with an honest character in evaluating information runs into the MRM, they simply do not associate themselves with that movement. That is the answer.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Joe

The system is what it is.
Which is, in many aspects, misandrist.
(Aspects of UK criminal justice and family court being a couple of important e.g.s.)

I work on the premise that unless I can link through to an original source, that anything you write here may be, y’know, total BS.

So, y’know. Cough up or shove off.

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

Joe what the actual fuck was that last twisting bobbing and weaving you just posted to Holly? Tom is an utter moron, and you refuse to critique him except to say you don’t have to agree with him, in the most benign way.