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Tom Martin’s “anti-male discrimination” case against the London School of Economics dismissed; he responds by calling his critics “whores.”

Hard wooden chairs: Enemy of men?

Tom Martin, a former gender studies student at the London School of Economics, recently became a minor celebrity amongst Men’s Rights activists and other angry men when he sued his alma mater for alleged sexism against men.

He’s now had his case thrown out of court. Let’s go to the Camden New Journal for details:

Tom Martin, 39, who lives in Covent Garden, claimed he suffered “anti-male discrimination” while studying for a master’s degree in gender, media and culture at the world-famous university in Holborn.

Representing himself at his application for a trial at the Central London County Court on Tuesday, Mr Martin complained of a lack of men-only sessions in the university’s gym and the preponderance of posters in the corridors advertis­ing services for women without the presence of similar materials geared towards men.

Mr Martin, who describes himself as a feminist, said “hard” chairs in the library were uncomfortable for men and that a “male blaming culture” was evident in course materials, which “ignored men’s issues” and focused on wrongs done by them.

Damn those misandrist chairs and their man-hating hardness!

The judge didn’t buy it, saying Martin’s case had essentially no chance of success. He threw out the case and ordered Martin to pay LSE’s legal costs.

Martin, welcome to reality.

On Twitter, Martin responded to the news by calling his critics “whores.” One of many examples:

But I was really discriminated against, you whores!

More examples here, and here.

And, yes, his Twitter handle is indeed Sexismbusters.org.

EDITED TO ADD: Actual headline today on What Men are Saying About Women:

Tom Martin Faces Slut-Feminist Judge, Motion Denied..

EDITED AGAIN TO ADD: Tom Martin has replied to this post in the comments. Some highlights:

My legal complaint did NOT involve a complaint about the seating. You have been misled by the press – The Times and the West End Extra/Camden New Journal both mysteriously got it wrong.

One year prior to joining the university, when visiting its library, I did complain, that the seating being hard created a greater disadvantage for men than for women, as men have considerably smaller weight-bearing buttock pads than women, and men are heavier too – so for men, on average heavier than women, have more weight bearing down onto a pad which is approximately four times smaller than women’s on average – according to a BBC documentary on the subject.

He then details his attempts to fight this grave injustice. Also, there’s this:

[S]everal comments here are confusing ‘whore’ with ‘slut’. A slut has sex freely, which I am all for. Freedom of association is the ultimate in humanity. A whore charges for sex. Even if a woman is a virgin, but is waiting for Mr Right to buy her something, she’s a whore.

It’s counter-intuitive, but a lot of professional feminists are whores. They expect the government and men to do them special favours. They make up stories to convince men and government to believe that we all owe women something.

But really, if someone were keeping a tab, then…

Women owe men five years pension.
Women owe men some National Service.
Women owe men some inventions.
Women owe men positive discrimination in university curricula.
Women owe men some child access.
It’s women’s round at the bar too.

For the whole thing, see here.

For more charming quotes from Tom, see this post on the blog Butterflies and Wheels.

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Posted on March 16, 2012, in actual activism, antifeminism, I'm totally being sarcastic, irony alert, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, Tom Martin, twitter, Uncategorized, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 1,737 Comments.

  1. The EHRC actually agreed with me, that hard chairs are inappropriate for a library, as they impact men more. When we consider that only 2 out of 5 degrees go to men, the gender gap widening, then anything we can do to make men more comfortable taking the academic route, the better.

    Given that higher educational attainment increases life expectancy for men, and given that increased educational attainment in men also decreases their violence against women among other things.

    Still, well done everybody for not getting it. In your world, that’s a win, right?

    “Critical studies on Men (CSM)” is actually recommended in the core texts – chiming in with the overwhelmingly biased other texts, presenting men as overwhelmingly guilty for whatever gender dynamics, thus, excusing the continued freezing out of men’s equality debates – and the continued offensive against male participation and representation at university, as clarified by the Women’s Officer from the NUS, claiming men face no issues.

    Now, are you people for or against the inclusion of men’s equality discourse or not?

    (Cue patriarchy theory-adherent excuses).

    And, are you for or against greater participation for men in universities?

    I think it is time to separate the egalitarians from the prostitutes and their toadies.

    If any of you whores, douchebags, and gimps want a live debate about it, there’s a documentary in production – so stand up or shut up.

  2. The funniest thing about Paglia’s fangirling is how indifferent Madonna is to it. I can’t remember her exact words when asked about it, but the tone was very “that’s nice, dear”.

  3. Tom, I still want to see the fat-butt documentary! Where can I find it? You can’t just leave me hanging like this!

  4. Also, gimps? What do handicapped people have to do with any of this?

  5. I don’t think you can argue for your inclusion in serious academic discourse about gender at the same time as you call women “whores” with wild abandon.

    *makes a note in her book of Sentences I Did Not Think I Would Ever Have To Say*

  6. I want to know what happened to the lady-butt-padding that I was supposed to receive. Maybe Tom stole mine.

  7. Proposed for your entertanment: VIRTUAL CAGEMATCH

    TOM MARTIN (now gracing our very pages), with his lengthy diatribes about chair hardness and whores

    VS

    JOHNTHEOTHER who is starting a HOLY HER HIGHNESS SOCIOPATH CRUSADE against Rebecca Watson, as narrated by by P. Z. Myers here.

    Who would win?

  8. It’s counter-intuitive, but a lot of professional feminists are whores. They expect the government and men to do them special favours. They make up stories to convince men and government to believe that we all owe women something.

    Hey! Wait a second! Tom Martin, you want something! There is something you don’t have (a gender studies program that offers cushy chairs and a minor in Whoriarchy) and you want it to be just given to you! You think it’s owed to you just because of your gender and you’re making up stories to convince people!

    By your own reckoning… YOU’RE A WHORE!

  9. Let’s try putting more comfortable chairs in university libraries and see if that increases the rate of male graduation.

  10. …And if you’re reading this, seriously, Tom, no one thinks you intended to go to that school to actually learn. You’re not even doing a very good job of pretending that.

  11. Tom,

    Some questions for you.

    Do you agree with the SPLC assessment that AVfM, which you contributed to, has a major role in a “hate movement/hate group”?

    You describe yourself as a feminist. Which feminist theorists do you identify with?

  12. Any time a self-identified feminist refers to someone as a “patriarchy theory adherent” I get all suspicious-like. If you knew what feminism meant, I’m pretty sure you’d know what a patriarchy is. (Hint: not what you think.)

  13. Women’s studies became gender studies departments on the understanding they would drop the male-blaming bias, and include men’s equality issues along with the women’s, thus legitimating the field’s continued funding, but gender studies failed to drop the bias, or broaden its remit to include men – according, that is, to the head of LSE’s Gender Institute, Clare Hemmings, writing in 2008, and 2011.

    Where did all the real feminists go?

  14. Yeah that’s real interesting but I’m not hearing none of it from a guy who likes to call people “whores.”

    Real feminists mostly don’t even call people who have sex for money “whores.”

  15. Dear Tom: ignoring your chair obsession for the moment, speaking to the issue of “greater participation for men in universties,” I can speak only for the United States. Here are some sources that show that in fact men (primarily white, cis, straight, middle class men) as a class are much more in evidence at universities (especially the big Research 1, elite, schools) than women: go read these and maybe we can talk. I’m sorry there are no pictures of chairs for you.

    http://www.catalyst.org/publication/327/women-in-academia

    http://people.mills.edu/spertus/Gender/EKNU.html

    http://www.aaup.org/NR/rdonlyres/F86E0505-198B-4E2E-B430-8B7185305744/0/AuriemmaKlein.pdf

    http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/a/women_science.htm

  16. Finally, several comments here are confusing ‘whore’ with ‘slut’. A slut has sex freely, which I am all for. Freedom of association is the ultimate in humanity. A whore charges for sex. Even if a woman is a virgin, but is waiting for Mr Right to buy her something, she’s a whore.

    Oh, you’re just one of those douchebags who think that a woman should be obligated to fuck any man who wants her. Boring.

    Yup, selling sex is BAD, but buying sex is morally neutral. Men aren’t at all culpable for participating in the transaction, because women are terrible.

  17. Dear Tom: ignoring your chair obsession for the moment

    BOOOOOOOOO! :)

  18. Dear Tom: now, if by participation you mean people attending (the technical term is “learners” these days), as opposed to oh the people earning the biggest salaries, running the place (look back at David’s Board of Directors to see what most US Univesities Board of Regents look like), getting all the perks, and historically and currently dominating the place, well, then, there are some data showing that women are attending in greater numbers and outperforming men (which maybe explain why men tried to keep them out for so long?), but that’s heavily influenced in the US by racism: the fact that more black men are in prison than in college in the U.S. is not caused by omgfeministwhores, but by racism in the white male dominated police and judicial system:

    http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/7609

    There’s also the issue of pay disparity: men with high school diplomas can make more than women with high school diplomas, so many go to college

    There’s also the issue of where these students are: at my university (rural Texas), women learners are heavily concentrated in “feminine” (read; lower paid) fields: Elementary Education, Social Work, and among the humanities, English (my department). Amazingly enough, the vast majority of learners in the STEM fields are…..tah dah, MEN!

    So just who is participating where?

    And tell me why, again, as a queer feminist faculty member, I should be worried about male participation at universities given that all the data I have access to, not to mention nearly forty years of experience, tells me that white men at least (WHITE MEN) are doing just fine, and that the major barriers for some men involve ethnicity and class.

    So, white boy, wanta talk?

  19. If any of you whores, douchebags, and gimps want a live debate about it, there’s a documentary in production

    How nice of you. this really captures you essence of how much you care about human rights!

  20. See, including men’s issues is a good thing. (“Dropping the male-blaming bias” is stupid because no one was doing that anyway and also there is a thing called “academic freedom.”) The problem I have with you is specifically limited to your belief that calling women whores is a good method of argument.

    STFU and go away.

  21. I really appreciate you concern for the bottoms of men everywhere! We need more men like you who really care! Those dirty prostitutes and disabled people on the other hand can go to hell!

  22. To ‘Happy':

    AVFM is run by Paul Elam, who is all about equality from everything I’ve read and heard from him. He calls himself ‘the happy misogynist’ for some reason, but don’t let that fool you.

    I subscribe to the scientific feminist theory. My favourite feminist scientist is Elizabeth Aries.

    Feminism should be about encouraging women they can and should do anything (apart from prostitution). With this system, there is no need to blame men for anything, just give up and renounce all forms of prostitution – then get an interesting job, and make everyone’s life a bit better with your endevours.

    Welcome to humanity!

  23. @ Tom The Mighty White Warrior Dude: Women’s studies became gender studies departments on the understanding they would drop the male-blaming bias, and include men’s equality issues along with the women’s, thus legitimating the field’s continued funding, but gender studies failed to drop the bias, or broaden its remit to include men – according, that is, to the head of LSE’s Gender Institute, Clare Hemmings, writing in 2008, and 2011.

    Hmm. Granted you are in the UK, and I am in the US, and I am in the godlesscommunistliberalradicalbrainwashinghippy field of humanities (English, hotbeds of radicalism at most USian universities), but I think your claim above may be a big of an overgeneralization, and I can say that apparently you have not learned how to summarize and attribute very well. I looked up Clare Hemmings and would be interested in some of her work:

    http://www2.lse.ac.uk/researchAndExpertise/Experts/profile.aspx?KeyValue=c.hemmings@lse.ac.uk

    Let me see: her 2008 publications are:

    2008
    Hemmings, Clare and Alldred, Pam (2008) Feminist review (special issue). Feminist review, 89 (1). pp. 1-161. ISSN 0141-7789

    Hemmings, Clare (2008) Tuning problems?: notes on women’s and gender studies and the Bologna Process. European journal of women’s studies, 15 (2). pp. 117-128. ISSN 1350-5068

    I assume it’s the second one? It looks interesting (but pretty sure it has nothing to do with US–I’m actually grateful to get this name; I don’t know enough feminist/gender scholars outside my field outside the US).

    Which of her 2011 publications are you referencing:

    2011
    Hemmings, Clare (2011) Crossings. In: Evans, Mary and Davis, Kathy, (eds.) Transatlantic conversations: feminism as travelling theory. Ashgate, London, UK, pp. 23-32. ISBN 9780754678359

    Hemmings, Clare (2011) Collective powers: rupture and displacement in feminist pedagogic practice. European journal of women’s studies, 18 (3). pp. 297-303. ISSN 1350-5068
    Hemmings, Clare (2011) Why stories matter: the political grammar of feminist theory. Duke University Press, Durham, USA. ISBN 9780822348931

    Again, I’d have to read them, but I have nearly 20 years experience teaching graduate students, and the above pings all my “really bad reading comprehension and may be taking an opposing argument as the scholar’s main argument” radar.

    Here’s a search on gender studies at USian Universities.

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&ix=sea&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=gender+studies+site%3A.edu

    The move from women’s studies or feminist studies to gender studies is complex and controversial (quite a few US feminists I’ve read were against it because they saw it as a way to align the focus on men, and dismiss women/feminists all over again; and there is a major connection to the debates bewtween “women’s studies” and “GLBT studies” — i.e. gender focusing not just on gender issues but sexuality as well (ie. lots of gender stuff is by gay men).

    So, I’m not quite buying this claim, and am beginning to agree with the quoted judge’s comments about the lack of coherence in your arguments. Srs. Did you defend yourself because you thought you could do a better job than a professional, or was it that no actual trufax legal professional would take the case?

  24. Dear Tom,

    Do you kiboze yourself? (Kibo was the first person on Usenet to grep the entire news field for the characters “kibo”, which would find people mentioning his name intentionally or by accident. He would pop out of the ether to reply in person, and generated a cult following and a dedicated newsgroup, alt.religion.kibology.)

    It sounds like you enjoy ego-surfing for whenever the initials “LSE” and your name get mentioned on the Internet.

    Anyway, I think you’ve missed your true calling. Why don’t you run for parliament? The Official Monster Raving Loony Party has long held a political position of “sitting, facing forward”, which is surely in desperate need of overhauling to bring it in to the 21st century enlightenment of gender equality.

    Why, on a new rejuvenated platform of “sitting, facing forward on comfortably padded seats”, you could be just the man to lead the OMRLP’s campaign and be the new sitting member for Bootle, Cheadle, or maybe even Tooting.

    Just a thought!

  25. He calls himself ‘the happy misogynist’ for some reason, but don’t let that fool you.

    hahahahahahahaha ohhh it burnsss

    Feminism should be about encouraging women they can and should do anything (apart from prostitution). With this system, there is no need to blame men for anything, just give up and renounce all forms of prostitution

    Wuttt most feminists are not prostitutes so its not like major thing that needs to be fixed. And if it was what would it matter? Why is prostitution bad? Right now you are just arguing for feminists to shutup and be “quiet and gentle” and accept how the world is run. Ain’t happening bub

  26. Seriously, dude, what IS it with you and whorephobia? Sex work is real work.

  27. @Tom The Scientific Feminist:

    Gee, I’d never heard of this term though I have read and studied and taught feminist materials.

    But I do know this one:

    Feminist epistemology and philosophy of science

    Feminist epistemology and philosophy of science studies the ways in which gender does and ought to influence our conceptions of knowledge, the knowing subject, and practices of inquiry and justification. It identifies ways in which dominant conceptions and practices of knowledge attribution, acquisition, and justification systematically disadvantage women and other subordinated groups, and strives to reform these conceptions and practices so that they serve the interests of these groups. Various practitioners of feminist epistemology and philosophy of science argue that dominant knowledge practices disadvantage women by (1) excluding them from inquiry, (2) denying them epistemic authority, (3) denigrating their “feminine” cognitive styles and modes of knowledge, (4) producing theories of women that represent them as inferior, deviant, or significant only in the ways they serve male interests, (5) producing theories of social phenomena that render women’s activities and interests, or gendered power relations, invisible, and (6) producing knowledge (science and technology) that is not useful for people in subordinate positions, or that reinforces gender and other social hierarchies. Feminist epistemologists trace these failures to flawed conceptions of knowledge, knowers, objectivity, and scientific methodology. They offer diverse accounts of how to overcome these failures. They also aim to (1) explain why the entry of women and feminist scholars into different academic disciplines, especially in biology and the social sciences, has generated new questions, theories, and methods, (2) show how gender and feminist values and perspectives have played a causal role in these transformations, (3) promote theories that aid egalitarian and liberation movements, and (4) defend these developments as cognitive, not just social, advances.

    Query: would you characterze the main argument of this paragraph from the Stanford Encyclopedia (look lots of men on the board: http://plato.stanford.edu/board.html) but then Philosophy is known as the humanties discipline with the greatest plethora of penises and as the most sexist of all the academic humanities fields, as “blaming the men”?

  28. AVFM is run by Paul Elam, who is all about equality from everything I’ve read and heard from him. He calls himself ‘the happy misogynist’ for some reason, but don’t let that fool you.

    Bahahahaaha.

    Yeah, just because someone calls himself a misogynist shouldn’t lead us to baseless accusations that he’s some sort of misogynist!

    Feminism should be about encouraging women they can and should do anything (apart from prostitution). With this system, there is no need to blame men for anything, just give up and renounce all forms of prostitution – then get an interesting job, and make everyone’s life a bit better with your endevours.

    Oh, so you’re a feminist, for the definition of “feminism” that means “change absolutely nothing about the way society treats women, while demanding women do what you say.”

    That is a very new definition.

  29. How do hard chairs affect men more? I really don’t see this one at all.

    Also, as I’ve pointed out before, men are welcome to try and be more equal with women-that is more demonized, their bodies and minds treated as inferior, their histories ignored, to be paid less for the same work, to be seen as a class expected to do high social value unrenumerated labor, etc. Women’s and gender studies could just treat men like the rest of the world treats women, and tell them to shut the fuck up, the women are talking now.

  30. Dear Tom Tom The Piper’s Son:

    I subscribe to the scientific feminist theory. My favourite feminist scientist is Elizabeth Aries.

    Elizabeth Aries, eh?

    Thanks for another name, but I can see no connection between her work (which looks quite fascinating and intersectional, as all the best feminist work is these days) and what you then blather on about “feminist shoudl be about encouraging women they can do anything…”

    WTF? I already knew as a teeny tiny person in rural Idaho in the 1960s I could do anything (and better than most of my peers, especially the males); the problem was that the system was rigged in terms of getting access to the tools (and I was a white child of a university professor for crying out loud, loads of race and class privilege).

    Let me guess, you probably believe in the “self esteem movement”

    https://www.amherst.edu/people/facstaff/ejaries/research

    https://www.amherst.edu/people/facstaff/ejaries/publications

    Aries, E.J. (1976). Interaction patterns and themes of male, female, and mixed groups. Small Group Behavior, 7 (1), 7-18.

    Aries, E.J., *Gold, C., and Weigel, R.H. (1983). Dispositional and situational influences of dominance behavior in small groups. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 44, 779-786.

    Johnson, F.L. and Aries, E.J. (1983). The talk of women friends. Women’s Studies International Forum, 6, 353-361.

    Aries, E. and *Moorehead, K. (1989). The importance of ethnicity in the identity development of black adolescents. Psychological Reports, 65, 75-82.

    Aries, E. (1996). Men and women in interaction: Reconsidering the Differences. New York: Oxford University Press.

    Aries, E. (1998). Gender differences in interaction: A reexamination. In D. Canary and K. Dindia (Eds.) Sex and gender differences in communication (pp. 65-81) Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum.

    *Saylor, E., & Aries, E. (1999) Ethnic identity and change in social context. The Journal of Social Psychology, 139 (5), 549-566.

    Aries, E. (2001). Adolescent Behavior: Readings and Interpretations. Mc-Graw Hill/Dushin.

    Aries, E., McCarthy, D., Salovey, P., & Banaji, M (2004). A comparison of athletes and non-athletes at highly selective colleges: Relationship to academic performance and personal development. Research in Higher Education, 45 (6), 577-602.

    Aries, E., & Seider, M. (2005). The interactive relationship between class identity and the college experience: The case of lower income students. Qualitative Sociology, 28 (4), 419-443.

    Aries, E. (2006). Gender differences in interaction: A reexamination. In D. Canary and K. Dindia (Eds.) Sex and gender differences in communication, 2nd edition. Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum.

    Aries, E. & Seider, M. (2007).The role of social class in the formation of identity: A study of public and elite private college students. The Journal of Social Psychology, 147(2), 137-158.

    *co-authored with an Amherst undergraduate

  31. Tom does get credit for being able to name two actual working feminist academics; I doubt like shiz that he understands anything of what they’ve written (dear Tom: do you consider these women whores? They’re clearly professional feminists, as am I).

    My favorite science trained (primate biology) feminist is Donna Haraway:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway

    Among other things, she was one of the first feminists to actually admit science fiction into the field of discourse!

    And look PUPPY DOG!

  32. there is no need to blame men for anything, just give up and renounce all forms of prostitution

    Stop buying sex. Men are just as responsible for upholding this system as women are.

  33. Blitzgal – His idea of “prostitution” is any time women get basically anything from society, no matter how badly they need it, how thoroughly they earned it, or how completely disconnected the transaction is from sex.

    A woman’s boyfriend gives her flowers? WHORE. A woman gets state benefits to help feed her children? WHORE. A woman allows a man to hold a door for her? WHORE.

  34. Oh lord, I’m with jumbofish on this: we must keep this one. Please stay Tom, we love you!
    A misogynist self declared feminist who rant about chairs, the mammoths men hunted and call everybody whores? That’s way better quality troll than we’ve had in weeks!

    Proposed for your entertanment: VIRTUAL CAGEMATCH

    TOM MARTIN (now gracing our very pages), with his lengthy diatribes about chair hardness and whores

    VS

    JOHNTHEOTHER who is starting a HOLY HER HIGHNESS SOCIOPATH CRUSADE against Rebecca Watson, as narrated by by P. Z. Myers here.

    Who would win?

    Us.

  35. This asshole showed up so we could mock him in person?

    That’s full-service trolling.

  36. Tom wants a more important role at the university. Specifically, a chairmanship.

  37. But only if that chairmanship comes with a cushion!

  38. @Xanthe: Yeah, I’m pretty sure politicians get padded seats in the UK just like in the US.

    Clearly one of those privileges that we oppressed masses shall address when we rise up against them! Because padding or not padding is one of the MAJOR HUMAN RIGHTS issues of the 21st century (in all seriousness, the issue of chairs for students is a major problem–for years, my uni had those cheap little desk on the side ones that didn’t hold any large men OR women, were hard as hell, and miserable in terms of support, and yet students were sitting in them for hours a day).

    But, it’s not just a man only problem, and I bet you real money I’d know what Tom’s response would be to larger women not fitting into teh crappy little scrunchy chairs.

    Another reason I like teaching mostly online: I teach from my ball chair in my office.

  39. Clearly, there are more women than men in college because of chairs!

  40. @Kyrie: I agree!

    NWO has clearly dropped out of the running since making Troll of the Year last year. DKM old, stale, boring, and posting less (heh heh heh). None of the newer ones are that good, but Tom here has real possibilities.

    I know I’ve had a lovely time reBUTTing his limp little claims about feminism, the academy, gender studies, and all.

  41. Ithiliana: Donna Haraway is AWESOME. I love the Cyborg Manifesto. <3

    Tom: …Paul Elam? REALLY?

  42. Blitzgal – His idea of “prostitution” is any time women get basically anything from society, no matter how badly they need it, how thoroughly they earned it, or how completely disconnected the transaction is from sex.

    Men who complain about whores are just such morons. Why do they think women are primarily valued for their physical bodies and for the sex they can provide? Yes, women came up with a system that treats them like chattel and not people. Fucking dumbshit MRAs, it was men! Male heads of household who traded their daughters to form alliances with the male heads of other households. Access to pussy has been monetized for thousands of years, and these shitstains want to claim that feminists have anything to do with it.

  43. Yeah, Paul Elam is totes in favor of equality. So much that he gets a boner thinking about fucking our shit up.

    Go sit on a hard chair and fuck off, Tom.

    P.S.–OT, but I still hate this new wordpress bullshit.

  44. AVFM is run by Paul Elam, who is all about equality from everything I’ve read and heard from him. He calls himself ‘the happy misogynist’ for some reason, but don’t let that fool you.

  45. Holly: so clearly Tom and NWO are SOULMATES!

    Although NWO does have the “state violence” that women can use any time they wish (I almost wish we did; I’d send my state violence teams to a number of state legislators STAT) that Tom lacks, and Tom does seem a bit more obsesses with WHORES than NWO does.

    But really–nothing new at all (except the chairs! The chairs bit is PRICELESS!!).

  46. Welcome to humanity!

    OMG, we’ve found the arbiter of who gets to be part of humanity! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! Can you admit dolphins, please? And exclude corporations?

    And here’s a kindred spirit for Tom. There are so few people who really care about chairs.

  47. I wonder how Tom feels about male prostitution. Does he not think gay rentboys exist? Male strippers? The Chippendales?

  48. @ithiliana …if you’re the one that posted the link to the JohntheOther getting his just desserts blog. THANK YOU. That was like sex.

  49. Molly, I’m pretty sure in Tom’s world only women can be whores.

  50. Yeh, good one!

    The EHRC actually agreed with me, that hard chairs are inappropriate for a library, as they impact men more. When we consider that only 2 out of 5 degrees go to men, the gender gap widening, then anything we can do to make men more comfortable taking the academic route, the better.

    Given that higher educational attainment increases life expectancy for men, and given that increased educational attainment in men also decreases their violence against women among other things.

    Still, well done everybody for not getting it. In your world, that’s a win, right?

    “Critical studies on Men (CSM)” is actually recommended in the core texts – chiming in with the overwhelmingly biased other texts, presenting men as overwhelmingly guilty for whatever gender dynamics, thus, excusing the continued freezing out of men’s equality debates – and the continued offensive against male participation and representation at university, as clarified by the Women’s Officer from the NUS, claiming men face no issues.

    Now, are you people for or against the inclusion of men’s equality discourse or not?

    (Cue patriarchy theory-adherent excuses).

    And, are you for or against greater participation for men in universities?

    I think it is time to separate the egalitarians from the prostitutes and their toadies.

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/tom-martin-vs-lse-court-date-set/

  51. @MollyRen: Are the Chippendales still a thing these days? *goes to look*

  52. Molly, I’m pretty sure in Tom’s world only women can be whores.

    A man girlfriend gives him a t-shirt? WHORE. A man gets state benefits to help feed his children? WHORE. A man allows a woman to hold a door for him? WHORE.

  53. Wow, they do.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chippendales

    Ten million dollar hotel/lounge built for them in Las Vegas?

    Do any women dance/strip/etc troups have that kind of oh I don’t know MONEY sunk into them.

    Gargh.

    So, Tom, what DO you think of the Chippendales?

  54. Are the Chippendales still a thing these days? *goes to look*

    They’re still a thing in Vegas, as a friend told me after she’d seen them a year or so ago.

  55. I wonder how Tom feels about male prostitution. Does he not think gay rentboys exist? Male strippers?

    strippers are not prostitutes

  56. @BoomBoom: You’re welcome! I did post to Meyer’s blog zapping John–I started reading over there because of the Manboobz regulars (especially links to MRAL getting pwned there), so I figured you all would like to see this post in particular. Meyers does snarky very very well.

  57. Feminism should be about encouraging women they can and should do anything (apart from prostitution). With this system, there is no need to blame men for anything, just give up and renounce all forms of prostitution – then get an interesting job, and make everyone’s life a bit better with your endevours.

    I know this has been said already but Tom, why not? Is sex work not a job? Also, is it ok for men to do sex work or is it something that only women ever do?

  58. strippers are not prostitutes

    I actually do agree with this. I was just riffing off of Tom’s absurd definition of prostitution, which included a virgin wanting a present. Sorry that wasn’t clear!

  59. Feminism should be about encouraging women they can and should do anything (apart from prostitution, lobbying for their own interests, or teaching academic programs on their own history and philosophy).

    Fixed it for you!

  60. PZed Myers, Myers! Only one E…

    Deeply enjoyed watching “MatRiArchy-L” get ban hammered.

    So, if we’re tabulating achievements and work over history by gender, don’t men owe women an awful lot for all those births? It is called labour for a reason. Along 9 months of development, and breast feeding, to boot.

  61. Actually going by Tom’s definition, isn’t any woman who does a job and expects to be paid a prostitute if the person signing the checks happens to be a man? The way he words things I assume that he expects women to be willing to work for free, if their boss is a man, lest they risk being thought of as WHORES.

  62. How do hard chairs affect men more? I really don’t see this one at all.

    Because of our fat asses, duh.

    He’s not even the first misogynist to come up with this. Dave Sim once wrote that women’s well-padded butts were proof that God intended for us to be spanked on a regular basis. But he’s a very special boy.

    Okay, I’m off to sue the Sun for burning white people more. RACISM.

  63. @FelixBC: Oops, sorry: shall repeat to myself and hopefully avoid in future. MYERS ONE E! I’d have just used his blog name but that’s even harder to type from memory, and I’m being lazy.

  64. About that thing he said about women wanting money from the government…I guess any woman who works a civil service job is also a WHORE? Unless she’s willing to work for free, of course.

  65. Tom apparently hasn’t heard that our super-whore powers allow us to cry in the street and get all sorts of goodies.

  66. Tom: fighting the good fight for the comfort of his scrawny butt

    Women in the United States: fighting so that they aren’t forced to carry stillborn children to avoid the horrors of abortion, just like cows and pigs do:

    http://www.fem2pt0.com/2012/03/16/legislators-women-are-not-cows-and-pigs/

    Tom: do you REALLY think you have anything of value to contribute to feminisms in any country?

  67. Only prostitutes can eradicate prostitution (by putting price down to zero)

    What would happen if professio0nal victim-feminists actually eradicated inequalities though?

    They’d all be out of a job, which reminds me:

  68. Here’s a nice chair for you, Tom.

  69. Well, I dunno about you, but if the patriarchy were eliminated I’d make quite a bit of money writing memoirs about my experiences eliminating the patriarchy.

  70. Yeah, but Tom, no one’s going to fuck a charmer like you for free.

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