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Tom Martin’s “anti-male discrimination” case against the London School of Economics dismissed; he responds by calling his critics “whores.”

Hard wooden chairs: Enemy of men?

Tom Martin, a former gender studies student at the London School of Economics, recently became a minor celebrity amongst Men’s Rights activists and other angry men when he sued his alma mater for alleged sexism against men.

He’s now had his case thrown out of court. Let’s go to the Camden New Journal for details:

Tom Martin, 39, who lives in Covent Garden, claimed he suffered “anti-male discrimination” while studying for a master’s degree in gender, media and culture at the world-famous university in Holborn.

Representing himself at his application for a trial at the Central London County Court on Tuesday, Mr Martin complained of a lack of men-only sessions in the university’s gym and the preponderance of posters in the corridors advertis­ing services for women without the presence of similar materials geared towards men.

Mr Martin, who describes himself as a feminist, said “hard” chairs in the library were uncomfortable for men and that a “male blaming culture” was evident in course materials, which “ignored men’s issues” and focused on wrongs done by them.

Damn those misandrist chairs and their man-hating hardness!

The judge didn’t buy it, saying Martin’s case had essentially no chance of success. He threw out the case and ordered Martin to pay LSE’s legal costs.

Martin, welcome to reality.

On Twitter, Martin responded to the news by calling his critics “whores.” One of many examples:

But I was really discriminated against, you whores!

More examples here, and here.

And, yes, his Twitter handle is indeed Sexismbusters.org.

EDITED TO ADD: Actual headline today on What Men are Saying About Women:

Tom Martin Faces Slut-Feminist Judge, Motion Denied..

EDITED AGAIN TO ADD: Tom Martin has replied to this post in the comments. Some highlights:

My legal complaint did NOT involve a complaint about the seating. You have been misled by the press – The Times and the West End Extra/Camden New Journal both mysteriously got it wrong.

One year prior to joining the university, when visiting its library, I did complain, that the seating being hard created a greater disadvantage for men than for women, as men have considerably smaller weight-bearing buttock pads than women, and men are heavier too – so for men, on average heavier than women, have more weight bearing down onto a pad which is approximately four times smaller than women’s on average – according to a BBC documentary on the subject.

He then details his attempts to fight this grave injustice. Also, there’s this:

[S]everal comments here are confusing ‘whore’ with ‘slut’. A slut has sex freely, which I am all for. Freedom of association is the ultimate in humanity. A whore charges for sex. Even if a woman is a virgin, but is waiting for Mr Right to buy her something, she’s a whore.

It’s counter-intuitive, but a lot of professional feminists are whores. They expect the government and men to do them special favours. They make up stories to convince men and government to believe that we all owe women something.

But really, if someone were keeping a tab, then…

Women owe men five years pension.
Women owe men some National Service.
Women owe men some inventions.
Women owe men positive discrimination in university curricula.
Women owe men some child access.
It’s women’s round at the bar too.

For the whole thing, see here.

For more charming quotes from Tom, see this post on the blog Butterflies and Wheels.

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Posted on March 16, 2012, in actual activism, antifeminism, I'm totally being sarcastic, irony alert, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, Tom Martin, twitter, Uncategorized, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 1,737 Comments.

  1. True, but the biological father should always get the first refusal at being that good parent. The presence of the biological father makes a huge difference to well-being for a child, and so is optimum. The biological father still has the right not to be a parent to the child (just like the mother does), but it should be a conscious decision – not a cover up by the mother or a lethargic state crying that £400 for a paternity test is too much or some loss of liberty.

    I’ll make sure to tell my cousin, her husband and her son.
    I’ll tell her that the loving guy her son calls dad isn’t the optimum while the asshole who told her that she could have him or the baby would have been.
    Oh, btw, are adoptive parents less than optimum?
    And what about lesbian couples with kids?
    But again, it’s all about the menz with you. The children are only a spunky sidekick.

  2. Tom, yet again you fail to provide any evidence. I’m increasingly doubting you have learned anything of value in your supposed education. Considering your inability to understand citation and basic factual analysis, it is no wonder you will continue to fail in your efforts in court procedures.

    You know what, I think this is worth stating. I don’t know who my biological father is. Now I could go out and spend the effort discovering that information, but I have not cared for the past 24 years of my life, and I will continue not caring. Why? As far as parental relationships are concerned, I have a family, albeit only half is biologically related. Does the biology truly matter? For me it doesn’t. They are my family, just as much as those that I share direct genetics with. My siblings and I have discussed this as well, and they too share a view similar to my own.

    So you seem to imply that you are speaking for all those children out there wondering about the importance of their biological fathers. Except, these sorts of narratives do come down to the individuals if they wish to explore their genetics (Again, never explaining why this connection seems to matter). Yet you also imply that this is a problem on a near epidemic like level. But you provide not a single shred of evidence for this. You give no sources, you give no solid citations, you do not create the semblance of a coherent argument. Your only method is to make a claim that holds little to no ground, and call all criticism of it “whores”. You do not even give any indication that you understand how a basic psychology survey may work. Considering your multitude of definitions for “whores”, I doubt you can operationalize something as basic as a survey.

    When you state that those here have “failed to come up with good arguments” you are projecting there. Because you never had a “good” argument to begin with. This should have been something you learned in undergrad. Discourse does not consist of “you are a whore, and I am right about everything because I say so, and these studies I can not find”.

  3. Did you know that in Canada that newborns are tested for HIV? Despite my having been screened for STD during pregnancy, despite my partner having been screened and despite the fact that neither of us were in high risk catagories. The nurse present told me it was legislated and wouldn’t come out and say it, but it has to do with fathers who don’t tell their partners about their health or what they’ve been up to lately. They impugned the integrity of my daughters father and I was spitting mad!

  4. So, I’ve been offline a good part of the day, but are women who don’t provide the identity of their child’s father whores?

    I assume they are, I’m just wondering if he’s spelled that out yet.

  5. You really couldn’t give a shit about equality here.

    By making paternity tests ‘routine’ it takes away the need to have an “I doubt you” conversation between the suspected father and the mother.

    And if it takes a few weeks to get the results, fine. The ‘father’ just needs to keep all his receipts. No biggy.

    Any other excuses?

    The only negative consequence I can think of, is that women will in the short term be slightly less inclined to have clandestine affairs (as unable to pass baby off as husband’s, and so less inclined to become impregnated by alternative (usually more alpha) males than their husbands.

    But this has an upside too. It means women will be more likely to marry for lust and genuine sexual attraction in the first place.

    Or, in the long term, more likely to shop around for the best genes for each impregnation, thus, encouraging men to stay in top shape, rather than become lazy and complacent genetically hazardous slouches as husbands can currently.

    And of course, it means the man can shop around for a fitter model too, so this will encourage mothers to stay in shape too.

    So, marriage is a potentially separate deal from parenthood, replaced with a mix and match system of establishing who the parents are of each individual child, and then both parents legally obliged to cater to the needs of that child (unless they opt out). The parents’ relationship with each other becomes less important.

    The shared parenting joint custody model after a couple separates is in keeping with this direction (something that women’s groups have opposed since the 1980s in favour of the primary care giver ‘winner takes all’ system (maternal gatekeeping by fems) – but the joint custody model might be superior, as when each parent has their turn with the child, they are more likely to actually focus attention on doing interesting activities with the child, rather than just plonk it down in front of the TV etc.

    With a more fluid mix and match approach to family planning, there is a heightened need to ensure that no sexual diseases are transmitted, so there will be jobs for the girls and boys in 24 hour GUM clinics on every street corner.

    Any questions?

  6. How do you propose to prevent men from “opting out” of fatherhood by the simple expedient of giving a false name to the people they fuck?

  7. Or, as we said before, from forging an ID or just plain lying!

  8. Or, in the long term, more likely to shop around for the best genes for each impregnation, thus, encouraging men to stay in top shape, rather than become lazy and complacent genetically hazardous slouches as husbands can currently.

    Whoa.

    Apparently if you get lazy and out of shape, your genetics change.

  9. “And if it takes a few weeks to get the results, fine. The ‘father’ just needs to keep all his receipts. No biggy.”

    Really? Every couple with a newborn, the father is keeping receipts just in case? Instead of bonding with his newborn, he’s hedging his bets so he can walk away and sue the post-partum mother for expenses? This does not a happy family make.

    Tom, you’re way to anxious to prove every woman a whore, instead of looking out for the best interests of the child or the family.

    And what if the father wants to parent the child anyways? Do his rights as the father on the scene then get wiped away? Good luck getting that one through the courts, or public opinion.

  10. And of course, it means the man can shop around for a fitter model too, so this will encourage mothers to stay in shape too.

    I love how Tom’s theory will supposedly get rid of all the uggo fat women. Cuz it’s not like no one’s told them they’re fat before!

    Also, Tom, how do you think American women view Saudi Arabia and Islam after 911?

  11. “then both parents legally obliged to cater to the needs of that child (unless they opt out)”

    Opt out? What, mandatory genetic testing for all, and then people can have a paper abortion? No. What is the point of proving paternity if the father can still bugger off? Absolutely none, for your 400 quid.

  12. “…and so less inclined to become impregnated by alternative (usually more alpha) males than their husbands.”

    And here we have a believer in the Greek system…

  13. The only negative consequence I can think of, is that women will in the short term be slightly less inclined to have clandestine affairs (as unable to pass baby off as husband’s, and so less inclined to become impregnated by alternative (usually more alpha) males than their husbands.

    Hey Tommy, what about the men who have clandestine affairs?
    Is that problem again solved by policing women’s sex-life?
    Also, are only married couples allowed to have sex and children?

    Yes, for Tommy-boy, we’re just out to get them:
    Get the sperm from the Alpha guy (no idea what that is even supposed to be), make the poor beta pay.

    Fact is, Tommy, not even the Chinese have an alphabet long enough that there would be a letter left to describe you.

  14. Forget trying to define “whore”. Let’s see how Tom defines RELATIONSHIPS:

    1. Everyone secretly hates their non-buff partner and wants to dump them

    2. No man ever LIKES having children. He is just holding on to the receipt.

    3. No one’s baby is ever theirs, because women are sluts.

    4. No woman ever wants a partner who’s intelligent, kind, or good in bed. She just wants SPERM.

    Actually, do women ever lust at all, currently? Ever? Tom seems to think it never happens!

  15. And what happens if the father actively doesn’t want a paternity test?

    I’m perfectly happy with the evidence of my own eyes, thanks – so it would be a complete waste of £400.

    And even if one or both of my kids turns out not to be mine biologically, so what? That hardly negates the years I spent raising them, and I doubt very much they’re going to suddenly dump me and switch their attention (and affection) to someone they don’t know from Adam.

    As so often, these scenarios reveal far more about your own bleak worldview – and, by extension, the shallowness of your own relationships – than anything usefully applicable to the majority of us.

  16. But this has an upside too. It means women will be more likely to marry for lust and genuine sexual attraction in the first place.

    Um, why do you think women get married right now?

    Okay, I’ll assume you think it’s all about money because WHORE, and ask another question:

    Why do you think men get married?

    All the MRA rhetoric about what a screwjob marriage is–you have to pay millions of dollars to briefly live with a person who hates you and sleeps with everyone but you–never explains exactly why men fall for it. I’m sort of curious what the answer is supposed to be.

    (In the real world we have this things called “love” and “partnership,” but ha ha, that’s hilarious, no really what’s your answer.)

  17. I wonder how Tom feels about birth control.

    AND 911. :P

  18. By making paternity tests ‘routine’ it takes away the need to have an “I doubt you” conversation between the suspected father and the mother.

    what we have here is someone who spent waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many hours watching imports of American day time TV.

    Tom, precious, that is made for ratings-all of those Maury shows where the young mother claims that so and so is the father and the man consents to paternity testing to be revealed right after these messages are faked. They are not real. The vast majority of men only seem to care when they are getting a divorce and it is because they are hating on the ex not because they particularly care that their kid is biologically theirs or not.

  19. Yes, genetic mothers and fathers would be able to opt out of parental responsibility in the event of an unwanted pregnancy if stipulated in a pre-sex contract (opting out of parental responsibility is a right only women have at the moment, with choice to adopt – men cannot currently financially opt out. See ‘Roe v Wade for men':

    http://www.nationalcenterformen.org/page7.shtml

    … but women would not be able to opt someone else out without their knowing, which is the current system with women refusing to identify or inform the genetic father.

    A pre-sex contract would also go a long way to eradicating many false rape allegations.

    It would also make people think about the consequences of unprotected sex, so reduce unwanted pregnancies and children in the first place.

    It would also end the entrapment culture, where a women tries her best to get knocked up by someone rich then hit them up for huge child support payments.

    It would also reduce instances of sperm theft – as there would be less incentive to impregnate oneself this way with an unwilling and financially inoculated against entrapment father to be.

    It would also reduce women’s motives to lie about being on the pill when not – as less incentive for entrapment – so less unplanned pregnancies for men to deal with.

    The pre-sex contract could be a simple, quick, application on a mobile phone which records the man and woman’s voice, or videos it, so eradicating fraud. It does not to be a four page document in triplicate.

    It takes one word to establish when sex is not wanted, “No” so it need not take many more to establish whether in the event of an unwanted pregnancy, the protagonists agree to the normal financial and caregiving responsibilities and consequences or not.

    Currently, because women have all the contraception options and men only one, it should fall on the woman to establish whether effective contraception is being used or not – where as, the current system says men should ‘keep it in their pants’ which fails to acknowledge that the woman equally fails to keep it in her pants, and has effective contraception and abortion and adoption options, where the man doesn’t. So, the woman should be held a bit more accountable than she currently is for unwanted pregnancies. It’s win/win (but whore lose).

  20. Or, in the long term, more likely to shop around for the best genes for each impregnation, thus, encouraging men to stay in top shape, rather than become lazy and complacent genetically hazardous slouches as husbands can currently.

    And of course, it means the man can shop around for a fitter model too, so this will encourage mothers to stay in shape too.

    Do you not know any happy monogamous people? The ones I know don’t spend all their time cheating on each other and resenting the other one for how their bodies change o_O. The long-term monogamous couples I know do that thing where they love and support each other.

    The shared parenting joint custody model after a couple separates is in keeping with this direction (something that women’s groups have opposed since the 1980s in favour of the primary care giver ‘winner takes all’ system (maternal gatekeeping by fems) – but the joint custody model might be superior, as when each parent has their turn with the child, they are more likely to actually focus attention on doing interesting activities with the child, rather than just plonk it down in front of the TV etc.

    Most of my weekends with my dad involved going to his work and watching a movie as he did stuff, and then going to his house and watching a movie as he did stuff. Then dinner. My step-dad used to do things like take us to the dog park, help us with our homework, take us to plays, hang out with us, tuck me in every night with a stuffed animal friend.. To be fair though, he was probably the inferior parent, right Tom? Because magic biology is magic?

  21. A pre-sex contract would also go a long way to eradicating many false rape allegations.

    Which is one of many reasons I’d never sign one–because it could eradicate a true rape accusation if I sign one and then a guy starts doing things to me we never agreed to.

    (Frankly, the chances of getting the police and courts to take “I said we could have sex, but then he…” seriously are shitty to begin with, but I’m sure as hell not signing a contract saying “anything this guy does to my body from this point on, I totally asked for and had coming.”)

    Also, does your little “contract” system provide for the possibility of contraception failure? Right now you’re treating “the condom broke” exactly the same as “whore stole my sperm for evil whore reasons.”

    …Like your sperm is worth that much anyway, seriously. I’d rather have sperm from a guy I loved at a point in my life when I was ready to start a family. I know this sounds wild coming from a whore, but I’m not making an entire human being and caring for them for eighteen years just to get your amazing Alpha genetics or your $300 a month. That’s like the worst deal ever.

  22. O_O

    Paper abortion, false rape accusations, tricking rich men into paying for babies (best business model ever, ladies!) theft of sperm AND lying about BC? Is he playing some sort of paranoid misogyny bingo??

  23. Tom, when I made that list about how you thought relationships worked, you weren’t supposed to AGREE WITH AND EMBROIDER ON EVERY POINT! XD

  24. Tom options men have for birth control:
    A) abstinance
    B) vasectomy
    C) condom
    D) pull out method
    E) sex not involving a penis in vagina

    Very limited yes. Hopefully a male birth control pill will be approved or created

  25. Also, does your little “contract” system provide for the possibility of contraception failure? Right now you’re treating “the condom broke” exactly the same as “whore stole my sperm for evil whore reasons.”

    We’re talking about the people who think “Paternal Fraud” is identical to “mistaken paternal identity”, so I’m betting no.

  26. Contracts that violate the constitution are void in the US. You cannot contract someone into slavery, and you cannot force someone’s labor even if you have an employment contract (this is considered a constitutionally impermissible remedy, other remedies like financial damages may be permitted for employment contracts).

  27. Actually, do women ever lust at all, currently? Ever? Tom seems to think it never happens!

    So let’s try some logic.

    P1) Women are lustful WHORES who seduce men to snatch their sperm.
    P2) Women are objects who never have any sexuality of their own.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    C) WOMEN ARE WHORY WHORY WHORES!

    DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

    (Skip to 1:00. If we lived in the Matrix this would happen to every MRA at the very beginning of their arguments.)

  28. As stated previously, if a suspected father refuses a paternity test, then throw the book at him too.

    Just because you sign a pre-sex contract, eradicating most false rape stories before they can hatch, it does not effect her right to say no after entering the contract. Even during sex if a woman or man says stop, the other has to stop. The fact is though, the huge majority of false rape stories involve a story about sex being forced on someone, usually where they say they were kissing etc, she said no, and then he forced her, or where he took her to a secluded place, and forced her.

    Anyway, if you want to eradicate absolutely all false allegations, and eradicate the chances of acquaintance rapists getting away with it too, then you need an app on your phone which can record the sound and picture whilst people have sex, but which cannot be played back, as it is instantly scrambled, and sent to a central data agency, where it stays scrambled, and can only be unscrambled by a police investigator in the event of a false I mean in the event of a rape allegation.

    If people don’t make a rape allegation within a few weeks or whatever, the scrambled data is automatically deleted anyway.

    So, I’ve just cut the rate of false rape claims and the rate of rapists getting away with it.

    Any more questions?

    Any civil liberty issues that trump catching rapists and false accusers?

  29. Also, with the footage from a sex scene being instantly scrambled, there is no need to inform the other person that you are filming it, and women will become much more weary about filing false rape claims in the first place (and rapists will be much less likely to assume they can get away with it also).

  30. Someone must have told Tom about Brandon.

  31. Wow.

    There’s bad ideas, and then there’s really astonishingly bad ideas.

  32. So everybody everywhere has a phone that is capable of having apps, that has enough battery power, and that they have time to get to and discretely turn on and hide somewhere before sex happens?

  33. It looks like the average manboobzer doesn’t want to reduce rape/false allegations either. I AM staggered.

  34. Just because you sign a pre-sex contract, eradicating most false rape stories before they can hatch, it does not effect her right to say no after entering the contract. Even during sex if a woman or man says stop, the other has to stop.

    I totally agree, but it can be hard to explain this to a “but you agreed, didn’t you?” cop or juror. And it’ll be just that much harder if he has me agreeing on record.

    The fact is though, the huge majority of false rape stories involve a story about sex being forced on someone, usually where they say they were kissing etc, she said no, and then he forced her, or where he took her to a secluded place, and forced her.

    Well, if women are making up fake rape stories all the time for shits and giggles (and presumably Alpha sperm, somehow), can’t we just change the story? We’re not that dim.

    Either you believe women will randomly and maliciously lie, or you don’t. But believing “women will lie, but only in certain ways” is ridiculous.

    Anyway, if you want to eradicate absolutely all false allegations, and eradicate the chances of acquaintance rapists getting away with it too, then you need an app on your phone which can record the sound and picture whilst people have sex, but which cannot be played back, as it is instantly scrambled, and sent to a central data agency, where it stays scrambled, and can only be unscrambled by a police investigator in the event of a false I mean in the event of a rape allegation.

    Holy Police State Batman. I’d like more police protection, but even I think “send them a video of every time I have sex and trust them to pinky-swear not to unscramble it for laughs” is a little over the line.

    Anyway you can just not turn on the camera when you want to rape someone. Once again, you have a system that can prevent an extremely particular crime, but is defenseless against criminals with a middle-schooler’s grasp of tactics.

    Also I don’t really fancy going to court and having my rapist publicly play back a tape of a time I had consensual sex with him for everyone to watch.

  35. Two guys with the same shitty false rape accusation solution–the mind boggles.

  36. Tom, how did you feel about those full-body TSA screenings? You know, the ones that took pictures of you naked, and they promised not to show to anyone, and then 100 of them got leaked?

  37. Also of note is that in Tom’s world, women falsely accuse men of rape all the time. Those whores with their false accusations and their sperm-stealing and their paternity fraud and their entrapping men by having babies at them.

    All about the equality, of course. Not about punishing those filthy women for having reproductive systems attached to the vaginas they charge too much for Tom to use. Definitely the equality.

  38. I also, as always, think it’s fascinating the idea that false rape accusations only come from women you’ve had sex with.

    If women are so prone to making up accusations (having their friends and families know about it whether they want it or not, dealing with “you were asking for it” shit, spending hours in the ER, getting a pelvic exam, spending hours in the police station, months to years of more “you were asking for it” shit, then going to court to have a jury tell you that you were asking for it… fun), why can’t they make up accusations about any old guy?

    I feel like there’s something revealing in the MRA attitude that they worry tremendously that their sex might be “misinterpreted” or “regretted,” and very little that a false rape accusation could come at them for any other reason.

  39. Tom, much like misandry really isn’t a thing, false rape accusations aren’t the HUGE GIANT OMFG DEAL that you MRAs like to think.

    So, no, I don’t really give a fuck. Here’s a thought, don’t be rapey.

  40. Molly the difference with the TSA screening pictures, is that they weren’t automatically scrambled (and no, I don’t give a shit about someone perving at an x ray, because I’m smart enough to look at the bigger picture)

    HellKell,

    Which other guy had the idea of recording sexual encounters on mobile phones on an app which automatically scrambles it and sends it to a central agency where it can only be unscrambled by a police investigation?

    There are no solutions for everything, but it would make rape/false rape claims a lot riskier, as either party would never be certain that the other party isn’t recording it.

    Here’s a mobile phone DV protection system that is far from perfect, but I doubt any of you poured any scorn on it at the time:

    http://www.womensaid.org.uk/page.asp?section=000100010010000400010001

    Is it because you’re sexists?

  41. Hey Tom, if I record guys having sex with me to prove I didn’t rape them, does that make me a whore?

  42. One of our other trolls had a similar idea, Tom. Only I think he wanted the encrypted data sealed in lucite or some such bullshit. It was every bit as dumb as your idea, don’t worry your pretty head.

  43. Molly the difference with the TSA screening pictures, is that they weren’t automatically scrambled (and no, I don’t give a shit about someone perving at an x ray, because I’m smart enough to look at the bigger picture)

    Somehow, I doubt Tom would feel the same way if a video of him having sex was shown to an entire court room.

  44. Here’s a mobile phone DV protection system that is far from perfect, but I doubt any of you poured any scorn on it at the time:

    http://www.womensaid.org.uk/page.asp?section=000100010010000400010001

    Is it because you’re sexists?

    yeah dawg, ‘phone calls police’ and ‘phone secretly records you having sex’ are totally the same thing. that is not a thing a that sounds fucking nuts at all.

  45. HellKell said:

    Tom, much like misandry really isn’t a thing, false rape accusations aren’t the HUGE GIANT OMFG DEAL that you MRAs like to think.

    So, no, I don’t really give a fuck. Here’s a thought, don’t be rapey.

    But Hellkell,

    Women are four times more misandric than men are misogynistic (Goodwin and Rudman 2004), so when you say misandry isn’t a real thing much like false rape, you obviously mean like misandry false rape is a big thing, but that you’re either ignorant or lying or trying to joke about it – and indeed you are.

    False rape is between 50 to 90% of claims. Rape allegations have gone up 9 fold since 1985.

    Some people ARE rapey Hellkell, and I’m trying to make suggestions for reducing it, and you’re just being a douche.

    Hellkell, just because you own a vagina doesn’t mean you don’t need to engage your brain before you speak.

    You’re even too much of a cunt for THIS website.

  46. (and no, I don’t give a shit about someone perving at an x ray, because I’m smart enough to look at the bigger picture)

    Uh oh, we got a bad case of “why would you mind a courtroom of strangers watching you have sex with your rapist, unless you have something to hide?” here.

  47. hey tom i can whip up an app that auto-dials random women and calls them whores, would that be an okay tradeoff in your book?

  48. Tom you misandric whore! What is it with you? First you want to ruin mens civil rights by forcing them to prove paternity and now you want to violate their civil rights by having them record their sex lives for posterity? All for false allegations that are fairly uncommon. And won’t provide them with the protection they hope for and or will strip them of other rights and liberties.

    So talking points
    1 women are whores
    2 mens asses are too skinny to sit on chairs (that’s new for an MRA ten points)
    3 women lie about paternity all the time
    4 women steal sperm and or trick men
    5 women simoultaneously don’t want sex but want sex from mythical men
    6 your sex life is determined by an alphabet
    7 secretly taping your sex life will somehow protect you
    8 men don’t really want children but should have access to them no matter what

    Do I have bingo yet?

  49. Aw, Tom called me a cunt! How sweet!

    No, cucake, words mean things, and I meant exactly what I said. Not what you’re twisting around, you disingenuous windbag from hell.

    FRAs are 50-90% of all claims? CITATION NEEDED.

    But hey, dipshit, answer me this: if you’re so fucking smart, how come our trolls can never figure out blockquotes?

  50. Women are four times more misandric than men are misogynistic (Goodwin and Rudman 2004), so when you say misandry isn’t a real thing much like false rape, you obviously mean like misandry false rape is a big thing, but that you’re either ignorant or lying or trying to joke about it – and indeed you are.

    What exactly does that study say? Because I really really doubt that it’s the misandry-o-meter reading you’re presenting it as.

    False rape is between 50 to 90% of claims. Rape allegations have gone up 9 fold since 1985.

    BULL. SHIT. Such bullshit. I’d cite you numbers, but you know what? Fuck your bullshit.

    I salute your restraint in not just typing “100% because rape all the whores.” It must burn, that restraint. Must buuuurrrn.

    You’re even too much of a cunt for THIS website.

    Ladies and gentleman, a man of equality, a man who is not at all misogynistic, a man who is trying to make things better for the men of England and the world, one whore cunt at a time.

  51. I want a t-shirt that says “Too much of a cunt for Manboobz,” just to make it all official-like and shit.

  52. No, seriously, most MRA false rape statistics are derived from one of three sources:

    1) An examination of reports in one (undisclosed) Midwestern town, with no information on how accusations were determined to be false.

    2) Statistics showing the number of rape accusations that were considered “unfounded,” in the sense that there was insufficient evidence, which hardly means it didn’t happen. (Also in some cases things like “she previously had consensual sex with the man” were thrown on the “unfounded” pile.)

    3) Your own stupid, incredibly gullible, misogynistic, rape-celebrating asses.

  53. HollyPervocracy,

    Police investigators are currently tasked with watching child porn to establish what acts of abuse have taken place by the adults in the video and by the distributors and viewers of that material – but they do it because there are more important issues at stake than the modesty of the rapist/false accuser and the victim. You don’t need all twelve jurers to view it. There’s no need for popcorn. There need be no sketch artist recreating the court scenes for the 10 O’Clock news.

    When you report a rape a rape kit has to be administered, but modesty does not get in the way of that.

    Someone is accusing someone of RAPE! A serious crime – which might see someone sent to prison for 30 years in some cases.

    That would be like having a pain in your genitals, but refusing to go to a doctor, because of the theoretical embarrassment of showing it to a trained professional who can help you. What an idiotic objection!

  54. Holly, it’s usually behind Door #3, as is everything Tom has said in this thread.

  55. so trying to protect women being beaten by their partners is JUST the same as protecting men from false rape allegations? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

    compare and contrast:

    False Rape

    The largest and most rigorous study was commissioned by the British Home Office and based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, 8% were classified by the police department as false reports. Yet the researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that “one cannot take all police designations at face value” and that “[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors.” Moreover, they added:
    The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated.[11][12]
    Another large-scale study was conducted in Australia, with the 850 rapes reported to the Victoria police between 2000 and 2003 (Heenan & Murray, 2006). Using both quantitative and qualitative methods, the researchers examined 812 cases with sufficient information to make an appropriate determination, and found that 2.1% of these were classified by police as false reports. All of these complainants were then charged or threatened with charges for filing a false police report.[13],

    with:

    Domestic Violence:

    Domestic violence accounts for between 16% and one quarter of all
    recorded violent crime. (Home Office, 2004; Dodd et al., 2004; BCS,
    1998; Dobash and Dobash, 1980)
    • One incident is reported to the police every minute. (Stanko, 2000)
    • 45% women and 26% men had experienced at least one incident of
    inter-personal violence in their lifetimes. (Walby and Allen, 2004) ) –
    however when there were more than 4 incidents (i.e. ongoing domestic or
    sexual abuse) 89% of victims were women.
    • In any one year, there are 13 million separate incidents of physical
    violence or threats of violence against women from partners or former
    partners. (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are much more likely than men to be the victim of multiple
    incidents of abuse, and of sexual violence: 32% of women who had
    ever experienced domestic violence did so four or five (or more) times,
    compared with 11% of the (smaller number) of men who had ever
    experienced domestic violence; and women constituted 89% of all those
    who had experienced 4 or more incidents of domestic violence. (Walby
    and Allen, 2004)
    • Women are more likely than men to have experienced all types of intimate
    violence (partner abuse, family abuse, sexual assault and stalking) since
    the ages of 16. And nearly half the woman who had experienced intimate
    violence of any kind, were likely to have been victims of more than one
    kind of intimate abuse. (Coleman et al., 2007)
    • 54% of UK rapes are committed by a woman’s current or former partner.
    (Walby and Allen, 2004)
    • On average 2 women a week are killed by a male partner or former
    partner: this constitutes around one-third of all female homicide victims.
    (Povey, (ed.), 2004, 2005; Home Office, 1999; Department of Health,

  56. Which other guy had the idea of recording sexual encounters on mobile phones on an app which automatically scrambles it and sends it to a central agency where it can only be unscrambled by a police investigation?

    Why, is this your “invention,” Tom? Worried maybe some other guy patented it first?

  57. Briefly stepping back from my anger… man, the data management problem this would present. I mean, I’ve had sex with my boyfriend like three hundred times. So he had to record my consent every time, set up the camera every time (possibly set up the camera surreptitiously every time?), and then a huge data file (the boy can go for hours, I’m not kidding) has to be generated and then it has to be securely scrambled and then it has to be transmitted to this enormous central database where it is kept scrambled and yet identifiable.

    …I’ll say this, your plan would create jobs.

  58. I want a t-shirt that says “Too much of a cunt for Manboobz,” just to make it all official-like and shit.

    +1,000,000! Someone, please make it happen.

  59. and also, just to add about the phone thingy being a personal alarm…i’m gonna guess that men can use them too, it’s not like genetically coded or anything

  60. Seriously, in the hard sciences they are still totally flummoxed by the issue of “big data” (and its attendant metadata) even though they have tons of money to throw at the problem. Throw in issues of human subject protection and privacy laws, like they have with medical records — no one has solved this yet. But to Tom, it’s simple.

  61. …If nothing else, this tells me that guys with brilliant “secretly record it” plans expect everyone’s sex to be infrequent, brief, and without too much moving around.

    :p

  62. …If nothing else, this tells me that guys with brilliant “secretly record it” plans expect everyone’s sex to be infrequent, brief, and without too much moving around.

    :p

    I’m having visions of a sci-fi short story where a committed couple, setting up the camera for the 5th time that day, suddenly says “The Hell with it!” and has UNDOCUMENTED SEX! The transgression! The horror! A strange idea called “trust” threatens to overthrow the Big Brother state!

  63. We will only ever know the precise rate of false rape allegations when fMRI lie detector brain scans are administered on everyone who claims they were raped (which I am all for – fuck your civil rights you lying whores).

    If I were to place a £1 bet on the actual rate of falseys they find, I would say 82% false, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were 92% false (or more), as even successful rape prosecutions are the number one crime people get wrongly imprisoned for, then eventually released thanks to the work of the Innocence Project.

    That FBI study from the 1980s found 25% of imprisoned rape convicts’ DNA did not match the scene of the crime, and when we consider that even a DNA match does not indicate a rape took place necessarilly, merely that there was some contact (potentially consenting), then I think it would very crap of manboobzers to pretend falseys aren’t a real thing like they pretend with misandry.

    Maybe after being sent to prison for a crime you didn’t commit, you might change your minds about the seriousness and extent of falseys (and misandry). I’m all for sending manboobzers to prison.

    ‘Scumbags’ doesn’t quite do you justice.

    “Oh, its just a joke.”

    Go fuck yourselves.

  64. Well that right there is enough to make Toms plan a fail right there. WE’RE ALL WHORES REMEMBER? AND MEN SHOULD GET GOOD VALUE FOR THEIR MONEY!

  65. Somehow, I doubt Tom would feel the same way if a video of him having sex was shown to an entire court room.

    Based on his ego, I think it might wind up as part of his appeal. I feel terrible for the poor lady who was a part.

    Unless of course he was just doing the solo thing.

  66. We will only ever know the precise rate of false rape allegations when fMRI lie detector brain scans are administered on everyone who claims they were raped (which I am all for – fuck your civil rights you lying whores).

    If I ruled the world, I would have “fuck your civil rights you lying whores” appended to every news article about Tom Martin.

    It’s something that everyone going “well, gender studies can be awfully woman-centric and maybe a shakeup was needed…” about this case needs to see.

  67. for the hard of thinking on this blog
    1. nobody says false allegations do not occur
    2. are you planning on using the fmri for all crimes, just to make sure people are not lying…after all did they have witnesses that someone broke in and stole their telly. Maybe it’s an insurance scan.

    also:

    Using this method, studies have shown that lies can be distinguished 78% of the time.[5] That statistic can rise as high as 85–90% when predicting a lie in an individual whose baseline lie/truth levels have been closely studied, although this does rely upon the individual being co-operative.

    so what about that 22% chance of being wrong?

  68. If I were to place a £1 bet on the actual rate of falseys they find, I would say 82% false, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were 92% false (or more), as even successful rape prosecutions are the number one crime people get wrongly imprisoned for, then eventually released thanks to the work of the Innocence Project.

    And if the numbers turn out to be reversed? That it turns out that 82% of all accusations are true?

    What then?

  69. Scratch the surface of any MRA, and “fuck your civil rights you lying whores” is what you find. At least, every one that I’ve met so far.

  70. In one of my classes for my job they talked about a study done on who can determine who is lying-the best spotters are Secret Service peeps.

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