Men’s Rights Activists, or Kitten Haters? You decide.

 

The Men’s Rights subreddit responds to my previous post:

Men’s Rights Movement, I say to you: You can’t handle the kittens! YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE KITTENS!

I rest my case.

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Posted on March 9, 2012, in cuteness, kitties, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 192 Comments.

  1. David K. Meller

    Why think that MRAs hate cute little furries? I would call myself a men’s advocate, and I adore them! Just look at some of my other posts if you doubt this. I even encourage modern women to take more of their cues from the little lovable creatures, as even women too can have attractive, playful, and lovable qualities.

  2. Okay, but that kitten-pony is a tad bit creepy.

  3. David K. Meller

    Agreed. Kitties are kitties and ponies are ponies. Both are loveable, but merging the little furries doesn’t work very well, does it?

  4. DKM, I think this may be the first reasonable argument you have ever made here.

  5. Forgive my skepticism about your love of animals, Meller. Last time I mentioned our younger cat misbehaving, you suggested that we euthanize her. For scratching me. Yeah, I just feel that love radiating…

    And let’s not forget that you laugh at the pain of cancer patients and think that abused women should think about how they might be provoking the abuse – men shouldn’t hit women, but gosh darnit, sometimes she aggravates him to the point where he has no choice but to slap her around. This is still your position, yes?

  6. Meller: What counts as playful to you? I play tabletop rpgs with MrB, does that count? I chase NephewB around the house shouting ‘EXTERMINATE’ at the top of my lungs, how about that? I throw Kamikaze her rattle balls, is that play? Please explain, that this lowly feminist may be enlightened.

  7. @KathleenB

    Judging by Meller’s advice, I think it only counts if you get on your hands and knees and bat a ball around, or bat at a catnip mouse that Mr B hovers over your head. Fetch may also be an acceptable pasttime.

  8. I should add, because MRAs so love taking shit out of context, that chasing NephewB while yelling ‘EXTERMINATE’ is a Doctor Who reference and nothing to do with, you know, actually wanting to exterminate the kid.

    And because it’s fun and educational, here’s a Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy entry on Daleks:

  9. Shadow: A point. A good point. Sigh.

  10. Wahl, your career sounds formidably awesome.

  11. David K. Meller

    KathleenB et al:

    My advice is for, and about friendly animals (or women). There is certainly no sense in punishing a friendly and affectionate little adorable, and there is similarly no sense in petting and playing with a hostile, ill-tempered, nasty hissing and spitting creature.

    I LUV soft, playful, and adorable animals, I also LUV real women-not feminists and :”modern women”–for understandable reasons. I don’t love, or even particularly like, sour, ill-tempered, mean examples of either creature, and avoid them as much as possible.

    I have always recommended that gentleness, affection, and love be offered unsparing since it can only benefit both recipient and he who offers them. This is simple common sense, and should be understandable to everyone, even feminists, although I know that you grrrrlz all have an ax to grind!

    My responses about women and cancer cited above, as I have repeated ad infinitum here, were provoked by a rogue feminist and her supporters, and had NOTHING to do with normal women–or even normal feminists–who were as horrified at the thought of male castration or mutiliation as I was. Once again, I apologise for any misunderstanding! If a baby kitten is merely misbehaving by scratching or biting, she should be discouraged as quickly and as consistantly as possible, but certainly NOT killed, unless she is growing into a danger to family, other pets, and guests!

    Next Case!

  12. Jeez, DKM, even your opinions about kittens are creepy.

  13. DKM- yeah, no.Mocking someone’s pain is an asshole maneuver no matter what kind of person they are or what political opinions they hold. Mocking a cancer patient’s pain is bad. Full stop.

    Modern women are real women, no matter how they behave because someone else’s gender does not depend on your approval of their behavior or presentation. Women who are feminists are real women because gender does not depend on whether or not the person’s political opinions match yours.

    Furthermore, and maybe you should sit down for this shocking revelation, women are people, actual and whole. Women are human beings. Hell, David, YOU’RE a person and a human being. You’re a person whose ideas are repellent to me and you are still a person.

  14. I read your comment and all I can think is that line from the Other Mother in Coraline: “They say even the strongest spirit can be broken… with love!”

  15. Meller: Let me spell that for you: don’t hit kitty, even if kitty is mean and an adult kitty. If it yours, you can train it (without hitting), give it to someone else or give it to an animal shelter. If it’s not, don’t hit kitty. Don’t try to pet it and it’s unlikely the kitty will attack you.

    You’re a bad person, and we know because if you weren’t, no amount of provocation would drive you to say such horrible things – and defending them again and again -. On Manboobz we are daily told that as women we are worth less than men, or nothing at all, that we ought to be slave, tortured, that we’re responsible for many terrible things, we hear again and again and again insults meant to hurt us, to make us doubt our self-worth, our deserving of equal rights. And as a white cis person, I’m not the one who get the worst, trans men and women and people with no gender are regularly treated like garbage, and so are PoC.
    And you’re part of this hatred.

    Yet, none of us do what you do. We don’t laugh at men getting testicle cancer, nor, believe it or not I don’t care, do we laugh at men getting their penis cut off. We just don’t, no matter how bad our day were, how much we are hurt, no matter what pain we have in our lives.
    But you do. And you defend it.

  16. David K. Meller

    “My opinions about kittens are creepy”? Then, David Futrelle, so are yours, because, whatever our differences are about feminists, I think that you and I agree about little adorables.

    I already said that my opinions about cancer, Ms. Osborne, and “women” like her, have nothing to do with manboobz or its posters. Yes, Kyrie, she ( and most people in her radio audience) DID agree with her, and that action is at least as objectionable as anything that I may have said about cancer–or feminists–and for much the same reason. Ditto for e..g. Aileen Wormos, Lorena Bobbitt, Francine Hughes, and other mutilators and castrators. You may indeed find the actions (or public support for their actions) as appalling as you say, but it is no worse than what I tried to demonstrate with regard to those women?, and others like them, and that was that this knife cuts both ways!

  17. David K. Meller

    Can’t anybody here even read? Where did I talk about “hitting” kitties? On the contrary, I talked about showing them love and affection whenever possible, and as much as possible.

  18. DKM appears to be incapable of talking about any living creature without being incredibly creepy. Stick to dolls, Meller – they’re the only things that your horrifying personality can’t have any negative impact on.

  19. DKM said:

    If a baby kitten is merely misbehaving by scratching or biting, she should be discouraged as quickly and as consistantly as possible, but certainly NOT killed, unless she is growing into a danger to family, other pets, and guests!

    Emphasis mine. Kittens should not be killed, even if they are very naughty kittens. They’re KITTENS. My cat can be very badly behaved, and kind of a jerk to everyone but me, and she actually bit me (gently) while I was typing this sentence. But I’m pretty sure that no normal person would think that she should be killed for it.

  20. I already said that my opinions about cancer, Ms. Osborne, and “women” like her, have nothing to do with manboobz or its posters.

    And you can stuff this non-apology right back up your butt where it came from Meller. We DON’T CARE whether you thought everyone but Manboobzers should get cancer. We think you wishing cancer on ANY woman is sick!

  21. BULL-SHIT, Meller. You can sit there and try to say that your opinions have nothing to do with anyone here, but you specifically attacked Ithiliana with your sorry shit the minute you thought she was gettin’ uppity.

    FuckfuckfuckFUCK YOU. Creepy fuck.

  22. I can’t believe Meller can’t say something as simple as “don’t hurt kittens” without hedging his bets.

    He doesn’t seem to understand that “I would never hurt something that fulfilled all my needs and never challenged me” isn’t noble gentleness; it’s a protection racket.

  23. Meller. You disgusting, heartless slime. You have no idea what love is, let alone gentleness, or compassion. Love is not contingent upon obedience, it is given freely, of one’s own will. It’s not a bargain, it’s not a shield, it simply is.

    And you, you sad, miserable, pathetic wretch of a man, will never, EVER know it, as long as you live.

  24. “Don’t kill kittens even if they’re very naughty” isn’t a cookie-worthy sign of your extreme kindness, it’s kind of at the “baseline for being a decent human being” level. And yet Meller still falls short.

    Again – please stick to interacting with dolls only. Stay away from anything that’s alive. Even plants shouldn’t be exposed to you, Meller.

  25. DKM: YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE, you told me that I should consider KILLING my beloved, if slightly insane, cat because she scratched me. THAT IS NOT A NICE THING TO SAY OR THINK!! Come off it, we all know you only like women and animals when they suit YOUR needs and desires. As soon as they go off-script, they’re worthless to you.

    FUCK RIGHT THE FUCKING HELL OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. David K. Meller

    What is this? I apologise for the “feminist should get cance” business,I also express love for adorable little pretty kitties, and STILL encounter a mountain of Mellerhate here on manboobz.

    Okay, you grrrrlz asked for it! Are youall undergoing menopause or something? See a doctor (even a female one) about your possible hormone imbalances! Maybe there is incipient bipolar or something here, I don’t know.I hope that any men ( or any pets) in YOUR vicinity are safe!

    “If a kitten becomes dangerous…” Clearly, very few kittens will fall under that description if you give them anything like normal care. Euthanasia therefore doesn’t apply in 99% or so cases, and my in extremis suggestion of it doesn’t justify the venom you feminists spewed against me.

    Ithiliana is one of the most antagonistic and venomous feminists here on manboobz agaisnt me, and other men, and anything that I may have said to her was certainly justified by the circumstances, even if i may have gone over the top a little bit.

    I might copy and post the multiplication table. I bet that even then you b*****s will still hiss, snarl, and spew your feminist venom at it–and at me.

    til

  27. Yes, Kyrie, she ( and most people in her radio audience) DID agree with her, and that action is at least as objectionable as anything that I may have said about cancer–or feminists–and for much the same reason.

    HERE IS SOMEONE MORE DESPICABLE THAN ME IN THE WORLD is a terrible defense, though honest. Here is the thing, I know that there are people worse tha you. This past week, M. Merah killed seven people, some of for being in the army and other for being Jew. Including kids. So, be happy, that’s a person worse that you since I’ve no reason to believe you killed a human being.
    But there is not a finite number of people (men or women) that can be terrible human beings. The fact that Hitler existed doesn’t mean any of your words stink less. The women you quoted, I don’t now them nor care about. Let’s suppose they’re worse than you. So what?

    I didn’t cheer for the penis-cutting, and to my knowledge neither did any Manboobzer. I didn’t cheer for cancer or for people suffering. I didn’t legitimized rape, abuse and murder. I don’t fantasized about segregating races or enslaving half of the population.
    And none of that is cookie-worth, it’s just a very very low minimum to qualify as a human being.

  28. See this all this anger you’re provoking Meller? I’ve no doubt you think it’s “irrational feminuttery” or whatever condescending term is your current favorite, but! You’d be wrong.

    This how normal human beings react when you tell them someone or some creature they love deserves to be killed.

    The reason you encounter so much anger is that you say hateful and disgusting things all the damn time. Do you understand? You’re the common factor here. Not feminism, not “modern women” or “renegade males”, but YOU.

    You’re a living offense to common decency.

  29. “If a baby kitten is merely misbehaving by scratching or biting, she should be discouraged as quickly and as consistantly as possible, but certainly NOT killed, unless she is growing into a danger to family, other pets, and guests! “

    You whole morality seem based on the idea that one should hurt the nice things he owns. (women, pets,…) Which is no morality at all.
    Because kitten grows up, become less fluffy, less cute and is still scratching and biting. What then? Your whole “don’t hurt” policy always apply to things or person you deem worthy of it, because they please you enough. You have no respect but to yourself, that you sometimes extend to what fall in you ownership.

    You won’t convince us that’s enough. Being human to what and who you love is easy. Hitler probably loved his dogs and Eva Braun. See why it’s not enough?

  30. DKM: One more time. You. Told. Me. To. Consider. KILLING. our wonderful cat because she scratched me. That has SHIT to do with me being a feminist or a ‘modern woman’ – you advocated killing an innocent cat because she didn’t behave according to your standards. So tell me again what a fucking prince you are, please. MrB and I (and Kamikaze) could use a good laugh.

    Cordially,
    FUCK RIGHT OFF!

  31. My cat once scratched my eyeball when she was a wee baby. I did not even consider doing such a thing like DKM suggested. I did yell ow though.

    I cannot imagine how you can go from “scratch me?! Kill YOU” anyway.

  32. DKM: So it’s okay for you to tell us to see a doctor for whatever the hell you armchair diagnosis of the week is, but heaven forefend anyone try to impugn the mental health of people who advocate killing women, beating children, and corrective rape – all of which I have seen various representatives of the MRM do at one point or another.

    And, lest anyone forget, you said that a woman murdered by her abusive ex husband should have thought more about how she could have done better, you have laughed at cancer victims, and are in favor of killing cats who misbehave. You’re a shitbag, Meller, and you can fuck right off.

  33. I really think that “kitties are adorable…unless they prove troublesome, in which case you should have them euthanised” pretty much sums up Meller’s approach to life in general. It also explains why he can’t find a real life partner and has ended up with only dolls. He doesn’t seem to understand that there’s nothing specific about “modern women” that leads to them finding him repulsive – horror is pretty much the normal human response to attitudes like his.

  34. Just for reference, this is a picture of Kamikaze (the cat Meller wanted me to kill):

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/68431029@N06/6221834937/

  35. Huh, thought that would show the pic in the comment. Let’s try this again. Here’s Kamikaze:

  36. Hells.

  37. Kamikaze does kind of have the crazy eyes. Of course if you actually like cats that’s cute and funny, rather than a reason to kill them.

    Meller doesn’t really like cats I don’t think, he likes the idea of kittens in the abstract, where they don’t have teeth and claws and a natural kitty tendency to attack things.

  38. CassandraSays: I think it’s partly her eyes. They were amber for the longest time, but they’ve started getting green as she gets older (this is standard for Maus). But the combo amber/green eyes can be freaky. Imagine how odd it was when the kitten blue started to shift to amber!

  39. My current kitty has yellow eyes. I found it so freaky at first – omg demon spawn! – but now I think it’s pretty.

    I keep getting the feeling that Meller just doesn’t understand the fact that being homicidal demon spawn is part of what’s so hilarious and loveable about cats.

  40. Kamikaze is cute! I’m glad you didn’t kill her. :-)

  41. cloudiah: So are we! She’s crazypants but we honestly wouldn’t have her any other way. One of these days, we’re going to adopt/find a calm, peaceful lap cat with no mental issues (the older cat is… neurotic), but we love the ones we’ve got.

  42. DKM: So it’s okay for you to tell us to see a doctor for whatever the hell you armchair diagnosis of the week is, but heaven forefend anyone try to impugn the mental health of people who advocate killing women, beating children, and corrective rape – all of which I have seen various representatives of the MRM do at one point or another.

    What Meller said was disgusting I don’t see how armchair diagnosing mras back will solve anything. Plus being violent (or pro violent) ≠ to be mentally ill. :/

  43. It kinda sickens me that DKM’s idea of great gentleness and morality is that he only thinks people/cats he doesn’t like should be abused/killed.

    He doesn’t get that almost EVERY murderer and abuser thinks the same way! Of course they don’t attack people they LIKE!

    You don’t get a cookie for “hey, at least I don’t think people should be killed at RANDOM.” That’s seriously the least impressive moral system ever.

  44. I keep waiting for him to say “well, it’s not like I want to send my Mom to one of the Houses of Entertaintment – see what a kind generous man I am?”.

    He’s like something out of a horror movie where the killer honestly believes himself to be a good and just person.

  45. jumbofish: Yeah. Shouldn’t have posted that. Too much rage, not enough thinking.

  46. Thats ok kathleen, its really disgusting though. My bunny is mean to me at times (she punches!) but I love her and would never want to put her down just for that. >_<

  47. DKM! My advice is for, and about friendly animals (or women). There is certainly no sense in punishing a friendly and affectionate little adorable, and there is similarly no sense in petting and playing with a hostile, ill-tempered, nasty hissing and spitting creature.

    I LUV soft, playful, and adorable animals, I also LUV real women-not feminists and :”modern women”–for understandable reasons. I don’t love, or even particularly like, sour, ill-tempered, mean examples of either creature, and avoid them as much as possible.

    See, here’s the problem. In the world you live in, animals/women (you equate them, you putz) are essentially EITHER loving/adorable/sweet/etc OR are hostile/ill-tempered/nasty. You cannot conceive that sentient beings of any species have a broad range of potential behaviors, and are not limited to either GOOD(AKA YOU APPROVE) or EVIL (AKA YOU THINK SHOULD BE PUT DOWN).

    You do contradict yourself because you believe that the good women have been corrupted by the evil women/feminists–which is a contradiction because if somebody is NATURALLY GOOD, how an they be corrupted (corruption implies that environment affects behavior omg shock shock shock). You also think education ruins women too (that’s we see you as a vampire from the 18th century). So yeah, your muddled thinking is completely contradictory, but that muddle is why we say that you advocate abusing/killing women (or cats) (or probably anybody else) who do not behave in the way you consider they should INNATELY behave all the time, regardless of external factors.

    But that’s why we interpret your words the way we do: the minute a woman or a cat behaves in a way you consider BAD (and boy is your BAD category big), it’s OFF WITH HER HEAD.

    And that’s why you can only like dolls or stuffed animals: they’re not sentient; they don’t react to changes in the environment.

    And they never ever contradict you. Or point out your extremely bad behavior.

    Like this: http://manboobz.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-8/#comment-123827
    Ithiliana–February 12, 2012 @2:31pm

    “graduate student “murdered” by ex-husband”

    Take post cited above. Could woman who talks like that (over the ‘net) have such an unpleasant, unfeminine, and just plain horrid personality that she could say something that MAY provoke an unpleasant response from a nearby man who may already be troubled about something else. Look at all of the cases you read about where a murder or vicious assault or rape was committed by a man whose entire life was coming apart, and the very person—his wife–whom he was relying upon to keep what was left of his sanity was turning on him…

    Did graduate student take her “how to handle men” or something like that from YOU?

    I was explaining that a man who loved his nearest and dearest would do anything to avoid the spousal abuse so often cited on feminuttery websites and blogs like this, because it wouldn’t get him what he wanted! I would rather be kind, gentle, and loving to a woman than beat,rape, or kill her, and so would most men, for obvious reasons!

    Gee, Ithiliana, for an intelligent woman, you sure have a lot of trouble understanding ordinary common sense, don’t you?

  48. Okay, you grrrrlz asked for it!

    I love the many iterations of this phrase that DKM loves to use. It’s part horrifying abuser talk, and part amusing yapping chihuahua

  49. @Shadow: Definitely–but what is really horrifying to me as someone who (perhaps naively) believes that writing can be a way to learn, to assess one’s own beliefs, etc. etc. is how bloody completely unselfaware he is, that he can keep blathering and spewing this stuff out, and never.ever.realize.what.he.is.doing.

    *shudder*

  50. Meller, you haven’t apologised for shit. You’ve said things which are distancing… but not an actual apology.

    You backtracked and said you didn’t mean, “All cancer survivors, just the one’s who deserve it”, because some feminists were nasty and it hurt your feelings.

    So when women act like you did, and get upset when you say nasty things, you get your knickers in a twist and say they must be mentally unbalanced.

    Then you call them bitches and pretend it’s all their fault.

    It’s not. It’s your fault. You were an asshole, and won’t take responsibility for the results of your intentional actions. You admitted you were trying to cause offense and now you have the vapors because people took offense.

    You’re lucky the rules here don’t allow people to be truly harsh with you, because if this is the level of, “vitriol” you lose your cool over, you aren’t in any shape to deal with people engaging in a no-holds barred exchange of ideas.

    You are so doomed in the Libetarian Paradise, because you haven’t got the honesty required to deal with the expected reactions to what you do.

    No one is going to accept your opinions, and you are going to have to pray no one who fails to accept the validity of your, “arbiters” comes to call.

    So you will have to be a craven worm, or just accept that a lot of people are going to kick you around. Which is probably what you deserve.

  51. David K. Meller

    manboobz is a very unusual blog! It is the only one which has somehow shown me to be an “apologist for ‘domestic violence’, a ‘woman hater’, and even a ‘kitty killer’. Considering that I post to a great many other blogs and websites, and maintain a more or less human touch, I wonder what it is with the feminists here, and their male? copycats–or would that be “copykitties”?–who think that if they agree slavishly enough with the sisterhood from hell, maybe this will improve their acceptance for sex, or something like that. Of course, any man who wants sex with a feminist probably would also want to cuddle cactus, caress live cobras, and add live red wasps to his butterfly collection, so I don’t put too much stock there!

    Your guess is as good as mine. All that I know is that the Meller that everyone knows and loves in real life certainly isn’t the hateful person that is caricatured here, and I suspect that other critics of manboobz here (a.k.a. “womenbeinghateful.com”) like Antz, NWOslave, or Brandon probably aren’t either.

    As far as the feminuttery collective is concerned, why not take up the suggestion offered in a previous post, to wit, gather up some of your sister manboobzettes, and go to the nearest biomedical research center. Youall can offer to sell them powerful female venom, fresh from your fangs! The extraction is painless, and you may get some $$$ for it!

    I understand that venom is currently being studied for possible uses in pain control, antiseptic uses, and control in certain nerve pathology. Your incredible viciousness, nastiness, and–shall I say–venomousness could be put to some socially constructive purpose. You feminists would need to bring a vaccination certificate for rabies of course, to show that your bite would not endanger passersby!

  52. Meller: I’ve seen you elsewhere, you go to places where the locals are also excusers/apologists for/fans of DV: or just plain hate women, or people who aren’t white.

    Of course they don’t think you are a bad person, you are like them.

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