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Is MRA blogger Christian J. incoherent by accident — or on purpose?

Is Christian J., the blogger behind What Men Are Saying About Women and the inventor of the infamous MRA two-dot ellipses, the worst writer in the manosphere?

I submit to you this sentence from a recent post of his:

One cannot falter to flatter, condone and encourage women more than by recommending and suggesting that the recommended path they have to follow will eventually, somehow, within a particular length of time, will meet with their euphoric predictions.

It’s hard to even know where to start with this hot mess of a sentence. Strunk and White famously exhorted writers to “omit needless words.” Christian J’s writing seems to consist almost entirely of needless words, some merely redundant, others simply wrong: they don’t actually mean what he thinks they mean. Meanwhile, Christian J. manages to confuse even himself with his pointlessly convoluted sentence structure – hence that second “will” towards the end.

Does Christian J’s sentence make more sense in context? A tiny bit. Here’s the whole paragraph:

Feeding the endless lies to women is ofcourse a main passion for feminists, as they believe that they are the epicenter of all wisdom and sage advice. One cannot falter to flatter, condone and encourage women more than by recommending and suggesting that the recommended path they have to follow will eventually, somehow, within a particular length of time, will meet with their euphoric predictions. Meanwhile they have waited in vain for decades for it to eventuate but it never appears to arrive. Feminists and women generally, will ofcourse never admit that they are on the wrong road in trying to fulfill their “mommy track with the picket fence”, dream. They are of the opinion that regardless of what they do, how they behave or what they promote, everything will eventually come their way automatically..

As far as I can tell, the point of his post is merely this: feminists have been telling women they can “have it all” – a career and a family – but really most women want to have kids and work part-time at best. Also, dudes don’t like feminists:

What the feminasties do not tell, is that there is actually a preferential scale that men generally follow to find a partner of choice. One would hazard a guess that being attached to a feminist would be missing on that list altogether or be down amongst the crippled and lame as they suffer from the same..

That’s almost poetic at the end there, with the “lame” and the “same.”

This bit is simply baffling.

[F]eminists want women out in the workforce so they can continually keep changing the rules, knowing that they have a lot of women out there who would in most situations, condone their actions. They can also guarantee that some level of that income will come their way and also ensure that funding and privileges will keep flowing while they have politicians by the balls.

So feminists want women to work so that they can get money from the government?

In the end, Christian J. “argues,” more traditional-minded women suffer:

Meanwhile, and as we have seen time and time again, it’s those women who want to make a different life for themselves who are still marginalised and berated. They have to be seen to be doing the feminist’s bidding, even if it is at their own expense and that is what this is all about. As we have witnessed right from the beginning, the feminists have a standard FU response aimed at anyone who dares to think or act differently to their demands and it’s this girlthink that is basically causing all the problems. So the ball is in the girls court but they fail to pick it up and run with it, meanwhile feminists are screwing their lives even further into the ground..

What on earth does that last sentence even mean? Christian J., mixing metaphors with impunity, has substituted clichés for thought.

Does it really matter that Christian J. can’t write his way out of a paper bag? Well, yeah, it sort of does. The incoherence of his prose reflects the incoherence of his ideas. Christian rails against the allegedly evil influences of feminists, but he never makes clear what exactly they are doing that he finds so objectionable. Nor does he ever explain exactly how feminists are harming “those women who want to make a different life for themselves” by, apparently, being stay-at-home moms. And of course he provides no real evidence to back up any of his points.

In short, Christian J. merely repeats a number of MRA talking points, stitching them together with overblown, incoherent prose heavy on clichés. A lot of MRA writing is like this: long on rhetoric, short on specifics, covering up its lack of substance with with obfuscatory rhetoric. Is this a deliberate strategy to conceal the MRM’s lack of real grievances? In most cases, I don’t think so. MRAs, for the most part, don’t know that they’re saying nothing. They think they are making arguments, when in reality they are having tantrums.

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Posted on February 25, 2012, in antifeminism, grandiosity, MRA, reactionary bullshit, worst writing in the history of the universe. Bookmark the permalink. 81 Comments.

  1. @Cendare: Well, I never said they were good arguments!

    Not all our trolls want to persuade–many just want to insult (NWO), or drop vaguely bizarre dada-istic dribbles (Explore Nature), but at least some seem to be trying to persuade (the ones who come in with “I lurk here, and only read, and I’m not really an MRA, but don’t you think they have some reasonable points” or “Feminists are just like MRAs because Solanis” aren’t really arguing, truly), but Magdelyn is one who seems to try to engage.

    She sucks at it, but at least at times she seems to be trying to get us to somehow realize, well, whatever.

    What, am I too late for the jellied eel pie?

  2. While many of us here agree that SOME groups of men definitely suffer oppression alone the axes of race/ethnicity (white MRAs never care about how many innocent men of color are imprisoned in this country), socio-economic class, sexuality, or ability status), that’s not sufficient for Magdelyn, et. al.

    Aww, poor white people!

  3. Secret to a happy life: When someone tells you something about themselves, believe them. What this guy’s telling me, with his little ramble, is that he’s one of those tiresome asses who thinks “long-winded” means “smart.” Also, he hates women.

    Do I care whether he has a secret tragic Dickensian reason for being a tiresome ass who hates women? Nope. Not my problem.

  4. Also, Mags, have you read ANYTHING by Ami Angelwings on here? You might learn something from our reactions to that. >.>

  5. It’s 2012, and not only are there concerted attacks on abortion services across the country, but contraception itself has become “controversial.” Oh yeah, we really have politicians by the balls, don’t we?

  6. @Blitzgal: There are concerned attacks on a whole range of women’s reproductive health services and services for poor men and women because of the obsession by some fundamentalist Christians that there should be no contraception (which is just like abortion) or abortion or any services that allow women to make choices (the sad thing is these f. Christians often include women).

    There has also been a lot of effort spent to keep medical schools from teaching abortion skill sets. It’s fucking horrifying–I’m 56, and I cannot believe how far this country has regressed in the last few decades.

    The bozos who voted on the ultrasound bill in Virginia didn’t even know that the date in the bill would require transvaginal ultrasounds–and when some of the Democrats tried to tell them, they were so euphemistic (teen age pages in the place) that they didn’t even say VAGINA.

    It’s a clusterfuck beyond all belief (luckily that piece of shite bill is apparently not going to be passed.)

  7. “So the ball is in the girls court but they fail to pick it up and run with it, meanwhile feminists are screwing their lives even further into the ground..”

    Even Thomas Friedman is reading this sentence and weeping.

  8. That mixed metaphor is crying out for a picture.

  9. MRAs have a particular logic I saw other people like them have:

    There is a certain power-logic a majority group has. When a minority group has a slight advantage or makes its voice heard more the majority group freaks out and sees itself as threatened, losing its power, and a persecuted minority.

    Gay people can’t be publically humiliated or imprisoned just for being gay and we should let them marry? The gay agenda is taking over America and indoctrinating our children into the cult of homosexuality!

    Atheists make a few innocuous, public billboards and publish books? Those atheists need to learn not to shove their beliefs down people’s throats!

    Women are gradually gaining political power, making more and more substantial intellectual achievements and contributions, and are stepping up to dangerous and demanding jobs? Men are being castrated by evil feminazis!

    Colored people are gradually gaining political power, making more and more substantial intellectual achievements and contributions, and are stepping up to dangerous and demanding jobs? The genocide of the white race!

    This mentality is especially potent in people who feel their group is “superior” and another group is “inferior”. To them, the gaining power and influence of “inferiors” is a humiliation.

  10. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    I think Christian J’s incoherent writing is intentional. He’s embarrassed by his opinions so he mixes them in with paragraphs full of vague nonsense. Somebody must have taught him the trick “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”.

  11. Christian J. has failed utterly to razzle dazzle us (clip from Chicago, for obvious reasons)

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