The hard life of the Alpha male. Get it? Get it? It’s a double entendre. Heh heh. Penis.
Now in pill form.
Life is tough for the beta male. During his twenties, as Manosphere dudes never tire of reminding us, women reject him, choosing instead to throw themselves wantonly at caddish alpha males.
Only after these cruel, callous women have squandered their youth and beauty – by the age of 30 if not earlier – do they turn at last to the betas, who’ve been patiently waiting in the “friend zone” the whole time. Those poor betas, nice guys and good providers all, are then lured into marriage with these now-ugly shrews, who are no longer interested in sex, and want only their money, often used to provide for kids sired by alpha males. (See here for Holly Pervocracy’s more detailed analysis of the “Greek system.”)
But life can be tough for the alpha male as well, driven to exhaustion by nearly constant sex with an incredible array of horny twentysomething women. The movie trailer below will give you some idea of just what the typical alpha male has to deal with on a daily basis.
Posted on February 21, 2012, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 893 Comments.
Brandon, to measure the difference in behavior and attitude between you and and MRA…I’d have to use a digital thermometer. Both you and them feel the largely the same way about women. You maybe have a little less spite about it.
You can squeeze a lot of filling, healthy foods into a blended or strained soup – lots of vegetables and hearty broth and things. You can even have some rice in a soup (unblended, obviously, because otherwise that would be gross) since you could probably just swallow it right down.
@FelixBC: At least you asked for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions…bravo!
Anyways, some men go seriously out of their way with women they just met (Such as the woman asking for money after a week of knowing you and you giving it to her). These men need to scale it back to what the woman is giving you in return.
All relationships start with each side give and take. But some women give nothing and men still line up and give her whatever she wants. By not supplicating, the man would try to level out the give and take of the relationship..so that each party is both giving and taking in roughly equal amounts.
“And the more feminists dislike me, the more of those women come my way. I guess it is all about targeting the demographics you want to attract.”
Strike me down, feminists! For I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine! And by powerful, I mean sex. And by sex I mean with girls. And by girls I mean real girls. And by real girls I mean my hand.
I know this is just another deckchair on the Titanic, but it always makes me sad that queer people just completely disappear from the manosphere math when you get into this Greek Theory stuff.
Sometimes there’s a vague implication that gay guys are lucky because they can get laid anytime, and lesbians are lucky because they don’t have anyone bothering them to have sex, but even these crude misconceptions are more than MRAs/PUAs usually bother with. Men are all on the hunt for a women, women are all judging men’s approaches, end of story.
I grew up with tons of dental appliances and braces and such.
Well Brandon. That’s the most sensible thing I’ve heard out of you yet. So, why not start out by saying stuff like that then the nonsense you usually spout?
Also, ‘fuckhole’ is a super-respectful way to refer to a woman.
Oh no, we’re under attack by Imaginary Women doing Hypothetically Horrible Things again! Quick, raise the Pretend Shields and get behind the Theoretical Wall!
Seriously, where are these men and women? Never see this IRL.
Holly, do you really want MRAs trying to narrate what queer people want? They don’t manage very well even for their own gender.
I seriously don’t know any women who just flat ask guys for money unless they’re really broke and they feel pretty close to the guy. Otherwise it’s just embarrassing.
I also don’t know any guys who would give a woman money just because they were hoping maybe they’d get laid later. Usually it’s because she had (or claimed she had, I guess) a truly desperate situation, and they felt pity for a human being in distress. They may also have hoped for some “gratitude” from her, but that wasn’t their only motivation.
The woman who flatly says “give me cash money, because I’m a woman” and the man who goes “okay, because you’re a woman” are a couple of ridiculous strawpeople.
Viscaria – rice is a bit of a no-no after a wisdom teeth extraction, unfortunately. It’s small enough to get stuck in (sorry everyone) the open sockets ppl are usually left with, or stuck in the stitches if you had enough gum to cover the hole. Soups are fine too – but I can’t handle lukewarm soup and for the first few days it’s best to avoid hot stuff, cos it promotes bleeding. Smoothies and milkshakes are also made of win.
@Pillow: Last time I checked I don’t just think women are fuck holes. Granted, I objectify them to some extent (admiring their beauty, etc..). But that is just one facet of that person. A person is more than just a fuck object…but it doesn’t make it wrong to treat someone that way on certain occasions (like in bed or role playing), it only becomes a problem when you treat them like that ALL the time.
There is a lot of really misogynistic crap in the MRA movement. But I do agree that alimony, divorce proceedings, family courts and child support payments aren’t fair and equal. We don’t live in the 1950’s anymore and our family laws should reflect that.
MRA’s take a little skepticism about women (such as fear of cuckolding) and blow it up into a full blown complex. Sure, men should question a woman’s motives and take a few rational steps to protect themselves but that shouldn’t prevent one from living their life or become neurotic about it.
” Last time I checked I don’t just think women are fuck holes. Granted, I objectify them to some extent (admiring their beauty, etc..). But that is just one facet of that person. A person is more than just a fuck object…but it doesn’t make it wrong to treat someone that way on certain occasions (like in bed or role playing), it only becomes a problem when you treat them like that ALL the time.”
Hooray, Brandon has broached the surface of reasonableness!
Where was that “minimum standard” cookie again?
I’ve never seen women asking men for money after knowing them for a week, but hey, I’m not a straight or bi guy, maybe this is something that actually happens in the world?
I have seen men and boys giving things to women and girls all out of proportion to the relationship that exists between them. Usually the motivation, much like for Holly’s chocolate-giving guy, seems to be “so this inappropriately big bouquet of flowers/gaudy bracelet that isn’t at all your style but is clearly worth a fair amount of money/big present I brought to our just-reconnecting-as-friends coffee shop meeting is what your affection and/or access to your genitals costs, right? So I get those now, right?” The reaction from the women and girls is rarely “yes! I get stuff and I haven’t even let him fuck me yet! What a dope!” and is much more often “…you can’t actually buy my affection, that’s not how this works.”
Kirby, it’s like Pecunium’s earlier point finally sunk in or something.
@Holly: Really? Because that just happened to me yesterday. I knew this girl for about a week and she was already asking me for small sums of money ($10-25).
You don’t know of men that give women money in the hopes of getting laid? Are you even on planet Earth? Flowers, Drinks, Gifts…they all cost money. Sure, men might not just walk up to you and hand you a C-note, but tons of men think that gifts (which cost money and have a monetary value) are the way to a woman’s heart. (It helps, but isn’t mandatory)
You are fighting your own strawman. My point wasn’t that men could just go into a bar and a bunch of women would just “attack” him asking for money.
@Hellkell: Get out more…make friends with people below your tax bracket.
@Lyn:
Ah. It’s been a while since I had my wisdom teeth out, and I was all sorts of messed up on codeine so my memory would be pretty faulty anyway. I do remember a lot of smoothies, though.
Okay Brandon…I think I see where you are coming from a little better.
Thing about give me money, I’ve met exactly ONE young girl who demanded quite a bit from the men she dated. My experience has been of men making grand romantic gestures towards me (expensive flowers and gifts) even though I barely know them. And they clearly don’t know me because I’m happier with getting a can of peaches or a potted plant. Those grand romantic gestures tell me that they have far more invested in some fantasy of who I am, then I have in actually knowing who they are. Its a really uncomfortable position to be in, because if I accept the gifts I feel like I’m being forced to play catch up to how crazy in love they are. And that’s not a realistic expectation to hold.
As far as demanding that kinda treatment or cash, I’d rather fall on a sword first.
I dunno what’s more amusing, that women apparently think Brandon is an easy mark or the very small sums he’s citing.
Back to alphas, and the incredible shrinking Y chromosome:
But maybe there are pills you can buy on the internets for that?
Spoiler alert: It may have actually stopped shrinking.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/science/y-chromosome-though-diminished-is-holding-its-ground.html
Sure, men should question a woman’s motives and take a few rational steps to protect themselves but that shouldn’t prevent one from living their life or become neurotic about it.
Like hidden cameras? Or totally-not-obvious “feminist screening” techniques?
Really? I gotta admit this isn’t a behavior I’ve seen in Earth women. Was she asking for the money for some purpose or just “hey, give me ten bucks”?
I’ve never had a guy give me flowers or gifts (other than birthday and Christmas presents) until well, well after I’d already slept with him. Which is good; I’d be extremely creeped out to receive them from a guy who was just “hopeful.”
Flowers in particular don’t have much value except emotionally, so getting them from someone I didn’t have those emotions about would just be… uncomfortable.
I tend to assume that a guy buying a woman drinks is just trying to get her drunk, and there’s few things less “supplicative” than that.
The only times a woman has asked me for money is when we went out to eat and she forgot her wallet. Then she paid me back, in an even that rocked the world to its very foundations. It’s like we were just friends borrowing and lending money, rather than… you know… some huge and pervasive war between the sexes.
I don’t even get the woman asking Brandon for money story, since aren’t we supposed to be talking about men spending money on/giving stuff to women in the hopes that those women will sex them up but good, even though those sneaky women haven’t sexed them up yet? But Brandon is in a monogamous relationship, so that doesn’t really make any sense.
@Pillow: This is the exact reason why I don’t buy women drinks, gifts, trinkets, flowers or pretty much anything until they give me back even the smallest amount of anything that shows they are invested in the convo, relationship, etc…
@Molly: You don’t get out much do you? If she needed a hundred bucks and she knew me for a week. Do you think she would be more successful asking for $100 as opposed to $25?
Smaller demands have a higher chance of getting fulfilled. It isn’t about wither or not I have the money (which I do), it is about her saying a dollar amount that I feel comfortable with and would most likely give out to her. It’s actually pretty manipulative on the woman’s part.
@Holly: Really? Because that just happened to me yesterday. I knew this girl for about a week and she was already asking me for small sums of money ($10-25).
Did her parents not give her an allowance this week?
@Holly: This was pretty much the exact convo:
Her:”Can I ask you something?”
Me: “Yes”
Her:”Can I borrow 10 bucks from you? I will pay you back Friday.”
Me: “What for?”
Her: “Cigarettes”
Me: “No”
@Jill: It’s even funnier because the woman I am talking about is older than I am.
Gifts help you get into a woman’s heart, do they? All women don’t agree that all women’s affection/access to all womens’ genitals has to be paid for with money and gifts.
I’m with pillowinhell – if a guy gives me Classic Expensive Romantic Gift, I know he doesn’t know or care who I am, and he obviously thinks that if he ‘pays’ then I’m contractually obliged to give him what he wants. Like a meat vending machine. And that doesn’t make me like him more.
That’s not a gift, that’s microcredit. Last I checked there were 1309 men and 752 women on kiva asking for small loans.
Okay, wanting to borrow a few bucks for cigarettes is not at all the same thing as saying “give me money because I’m a lady.”
I don’t even know what the hell this is supposed to mean.
I know people in all sorts of tax brackets, and this doesn’t seem to happen. Maybe my friends are smarter than you?
Stop hanging out at nasty bars.
@Cloudiah: I never said this exchange was a “gift”
@Holly: I had little faith in her ability to repay me. Since about 2 hours prior she was talking about how she owed someone else money. She used “borrow” because “have” was a harsher term.
@Hellkell: Can I have a list of bars you go to…so I never go to them.
I’ve even *shock horror!* lent money to men! And I’m a woman! I don’t lend money for cigarettes, cos I’m passive aggressive that way, but rent? And I did it out of love rather than an expectation that I would get sex. It’s a strange world.
Okay, so this was someone who borrows small amounts of money from from people, and is lousy at paying them back. This has what to do with her being a woman?
I go to all of them. Everywhere. At once. I’m just that good.
I don’t understand why this makes the story funnier. Are older women funnier than younger ones? But wait, if the story isn’t funny to begin with, can it be made funnier by adding in the ages of the parties involved?
“…bravo”
Ew, Brandon just patted me on the head.
I get this image of Brandon keeping score in a small note pad, ascribing monetary value to sex acts, and balancing the columns at the end of every date.
@Hellkell: Fine. I will let you know which ones I am at so you know to avoid them.
@Dracula: The initial comment that started this topic was by FelixBC. Read from there.
Cloudiah, older women probably are funnier to Brandon. It’s probably something “HAW HAW, old bag.”
And i get the feeling this happened in a bar, with one of the older regulars, and Brandon, being himself, thinks she’s pathetic just because she’s a woman. And we all know he has ideas about women. Once they pass fuckable, forget it.
@FelixBC: Accounting? Really? Ugh…
Okay, sure, but none of this has anything to do with you being a man and her being a woman. Me and my boyfriend went out to lunch with my friend and his fiancée the other day, and he tried to get me to cover at least his, if not her, meal. I refused, because I’ve covered for him a number of times without getting the same in return, and we all paid for our own meals as we’d originally intended to. It had nothing to do with the fact that he’s a man and men are conniving jerks, out for ladies’ wallets; it was because he’s sort of a cheapskate.
“This is the exact reason why I don’t buy women drinks, gifts, trinkets, flowers or pretty much anything until they give me back even the smallest amount of anything that shows they are invested in the convo, relationship, etc… ”
Hey look, I was right. Every *act* on her part has an equal *purchase* on his part. ‘Cause women are bodies and men are wallets.
Y’know, I actually did go on a few dates with this girl when I was, I dunno, around seventeen, I think? Anyway, she didn’t seem even remotely interested in me an any meaningful way despite being the one who asked me out, and kept trying to get me to buy her things. So yeah, I broke things off fairly quickly.
Somehow, I managed to get through that experience without concluding that That’s What Women are Like.
Man, guys who do this never consider market value, either. A blowjob and intercourse with a sleepover runs like $300 in this town, minimum, if you go to a sex worker. But guys who play the “you owe me now” game always seem to think $15 for three beers earns them unlimited rights to your body.
“until they give me back even the smallest amount of anything that shows they are invested in the convo, relationship, etc…”
What does she have to give for the convo? A handjob?
@hellkell Darn, I was looking to make my funny-stories-to-tell-at-parties repertoire NEW & IMPROVED WITH MORE AGES!!!
Well, to be fair, I don’t think everyman makes the GRand gestures because they want sex. One guy in particular was just too far head over heels. My mom could have killed me because he probably would have married me and I would have been set for life. I don’t like being on pedestals, and I’m of the opinion that those who marry for money inevitably earn it. I didn’t think suppressing myself to fit on that very high pedestal was worth whatever physical comfort I might get.
And yes, being bad with money and ‘borrowing’ has nothing to do with gender. Met plenty of men who’ve tried the same thing with me. When people ask me for money, if I have it I give it..I don’t expect it back and I don’t hold it against every guy on the planet if one man fails to repay it.
@FelixBC:
Well, everyone has their kinks.
@All:
Brandon’s story is the reason why I take anectdotes with a grain of salt sometimes… The details are like miracle sometimes, where it goes from “I had an unmistakeable personal experience of God” to “It was sunny on my birthday after having rained for a week before.”
A tale of a woman manipulatively begging for cash of a stranger turns into somebody asking for a short-term loan… To the woman, it was probably just a shot in the dark that missed, no harm done and not a second thought afterwards. To Brandon, it was a calculated move the he skillfully and masterfully deflected, leaving the woman in awe of his awesome manly alphaness. It’s like a tale of two cities, only they are the same city.
@Viscaria: Because the larger topic at hand is that men shouldn’t just give give give to women who give nothing in return.
Also, have you known this friend for a while or did you just meet? Because that is what is important in the example I gave. Not that you wont help friends out, but people asking you for money and you don’t have a meaningful relationship with them.
Erm… the sentence totally makes sense: “The details are like miracle stories“
NO ONE should do that.
I’ve been following along Brandon, and I’m still not seeing where gender comes into this. Lots people beg money off people for cigarettes. Hell, my dad used to do that to me, back when we were still on speaking terms.
@Brandon:
“Because the larger topic at hand is that men shouldn’t just give give give to women who give nothing in return.”
Replace “men” with “people” and “women” with “other people” and you have a simple truism that everyone agrees with. The gender not only adds nothing, it makes it seem as if the gender is where the truth is, which is silly.
Replace “men” with “Brandon” and “women” with “women” and you get what you have really been talking about this entire time. ^_^
I had a co-worker once who used to frequent a bar with a guy who was, shall we say, lonely? Anyway, she promised him sex for $500 and had him pay up front. She then made up an excuse to leave and failed to return. She saw him the next week and this time convinced a friend to help her out by claiming they both would have sex with him for $500 each. He amiably agreed, paid them up front and they ran out on him with no sex. He never complained. It was a very strange story.
That was the closest I have ever heard someone come to the “I am a female, give me money” Brandon just made up.
@Felix: This isn’t about giving a dollar amount to what someone is doing for you. It is about learning to not be in a relationship where you are doing all the giving and getting nothing in return.
Relationships in the end have to be mutually beneficial, so there needs to be roughly an equal amount of give and take.
Yeah… but the “thing” in return that the women are supposed to be giving is sex, right? And you’re in a monogamous relationship with someone, so you wouldn’t be having sex with her anyway, right? So… what does this have to do with gender?
And yes, I’ve known this friend a long time. which makes my story not exactly the same as yours. I’ve also spent probably hundreds of dollars in “I’ll get you next time”s, which is a little different than $10 or $25.
@Brandon:
“@Felix: This isn’t about giving a dollar amount to what someone is doing for you. It is about learning to not be in a relationship where you are doing all the giving and getting nothing in return.
Relationships in the end have to be mutually beneficial, so there needs to be roughly an equal amount of give and take.”
Yeah, see how reasonable you can sound when you aren’t making the whole thing gendered? And how reasonable you can spin your position when in fact your position is to carefully tabulate everything someone else does to you and only ever give them less than or equal back what they give you? Sorta like Roissy’s “Only give 2/3s of what you get” rule…
Brandon, there’s nothing wrong about having reasonable boundaries. A lot of people I’ve known did not have any type of boundary when it came to dating and money, and gave away far more than they were happy to. At the point when you start to resent what your giving, its no longer a gift. So yes, boundaries are good. So is avoiding demonizing the opposite sex because you were burned by a few(hopefully only one).
Brandon: “Relationships in the end have to be mutually beneficial, so there needs to be roughly an equal amount of give and take.”
I agree with this.
What I don’t agree with is what you seem to consider equal: acts of interest, like conversation, in return for trinkets, flowers or drinks. I don’t want *objects* with monetary value in return for what I offer in a relationship. How about equally good conversation, interest, and hey, sex?
@Viscaria: Umm…no. It doesn’t HAVE to be sex. If I meet a girl and share a story, there are basically a couple of ways she can handle it.
She can just yea yea yea me to death, say “whatever” or say basically anything that shows she doesn’t really care if she is talking to me.
She can try to talk about something else if she doesn’t want to talk about the story I told.
She can relate to the story, get excited and follow up with a similar story.
Out of those three, the first woman is giving nothing in return. The second one is at least trying to maintain the convo and the third might end up being a good friend.
It is about reciprocity. I tell a story, you tell one to me. I touch your arm, you touch my arm. I try and kiss you, you kiss me, etc…
It isn’t about “I brought you flowers…now you fuck me.”
Just pointing out…If you’re fucking someone, they’re fucking you back.
@Pillow: I am demonizing no one.
Well, if that wasn’t a lovely piece of classist dickery. I’ve spent my whole life with friends in practically every tax bracket just above homeless, and the ones who mooched were just as varied. I may have spent a little more money on my poorer friends, but that was out of love, not out of their peasant greed or something.
@Brandon:
You do realize that you can’t expect somebody, even the best friend in a world, to be interested in everything you say… right? Good conversations just happen because two people find common ground, not because they are trying to prove something to each other.
Reciprocity is important in a broad sense, but you are going about it completely wrong.
Also of note, if you find someone who you don’t have good conversations with, the correct interpretation is that you don’t have a lot in common, not that the other person isn’t living up to your expectations. -_-