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Congress hears testimony on contraception: Once again, men have to do all the work!

Hard-working dudes, talkin bout contraception.

So  there was a congressional hearing yesterday about contraception, and, once again, men had to do all the work. Not a single lady on the panel! They were probably all eating bon bons and riding the cock carousel, like ladies do. Misandry in action!

Well, to be fair, the chair of the committee blocked a woman who was going to testify on the panel, but, you know, she probably would have just started yammering about shoes and how hot Taylor Lautner is. You know how ladies are.

Just another day in the feminazi gynocracy!

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Posted on February 17, 2012, in evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, misandry, misogyny, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, sex, vaginas, we hunted the mammoth. Bookmark the permalink. 267 Comments.

  1. However, supreme cynic that I am, I conspiracy theorize that Obama and co., so happy to sacrifice women’s reproductive rights at any turn, are happily letting us fight out religious freedom vs. vital birth control access, in order to distract from the fact that their healthcare promises led only to continuing the barbaric, laugh-that-you-may-not-cry feudalism of Employer-based “insurance”

  2. I really see no good reason why at least the morning after pill shouldn’t be OTC. It’s working fine that way in the UK.

  3. CassandraSays – We now have the morning after pill otc but still refuse to put the regular pill over the counter. Also, no morning after pills for you if you’re under seventeen, because of the twelve year olds, etc, as irresponsible young girls might go out and get themselves raped, of course.

  4. US Feminists need to form ALL the underground women’s health collective things and we need to do it now :(

  5. When did that happen? Yay for EC being OTC, but if it’s not available to girls under 17 that’s not good. The only times I ever took it were when I was barely over 18 – I’ve never seen a detailed breakdown, but I’d guess that younger women make up a very high percentage of users.

    I’m not sure that I think making the regular pill OTC is a great idea just because there are so many versions, and a lot of people have to try several until they find one where the side effects are tolerable for them. Once someone has found one that works for them, though, I see no good reason why they shouldn’t then be able to continue buying it OTC.

  6. t I’d guess that younger women make up a very high percentage of users.”

    Yes. Which is why leaving it out of their hands is a feature and not a bug for these people…

    Certainly there’ll be a need to find the best for you and to communicate with health care providers, but countries that have it otc seem to handle that pretty well, even poorer ones, to the best of my knowledge. Communicating with your health care professionals about the over the counter stuff that’s best for you is important anyway, and the US tends to over-rely on the prescription/patent system in really crazy ways, anyhow. But yes, becuase bc is hormonal, the need for communication is greater, but all in all I think in terms of affordability, access, and etc, it’s far past time we put it otc.

  7. Would putting it fully OTC actually make it cheaper for people whose insurance currently covers part of the cost? I’d be curious to see what the price point would be if it did go OTC.

    I’m a socialist, remember, so my preference would be state funded health care that’s free at the point of service for all, and free or very cheap BC via the same system. Going through the British system as a teenager was pretty easy for me, and if I did pay anything for the pill (can’t remember) it wasn’t much.

  8. Also, if it was to go OTC, I’d think we’d have the same issues that have already happened with some pharmacists refusing to dispense it in certain circumstances, so I’d worry that in more conservative parts of the country that might present some issues too. What if Pharmacy Chain X decides they’re not selling it, or Individual Retail Clerk Y decides that he’s not selling it to anyone he thinks is too young/not respectable enough looking/etc?

  9. Sorry but I wasn’t talking about females. Is a man sabotaging their abortion? No. There is no comparison.

    No the republicans are totally not pushing legislation that forces women who want or need abortions to have an object FORCED up their vaginas against their will because of pro-life zealotry. No republicans and pro-life zealots haven’t been pushing for all this ridiculous legislation to make abortion harder and harder to obtain.

    But since you don’t give a fuck about women’s rights, let me put it to you in a way that your selfish piece of shit self will understand: Take away abortion and affordable birth control and that’s a hell of a lot more men forced to pay child support and become fathers against their will. Its in YOUR benefit to support women’s birth control, not sabotage it. But since MRAs have this fucking childish, visceral reaction against anything that benefits women in any way, its no wonder you can’t see how it helps you too.

    And finally GTFO of here and demand the market for your own birth control pill!

  10. Would putting it fully OTC actually make it cheaper for people whose insurance currently covers part of the cost? – Maybe yes maybe no, in terms of what they pay. For many lower income people, the cost out of pocket might rise, but in terms of the “600 dollars a year” we face down, that’s likely to get cut down heavily. Of course, I am not a fortune-teller.

    I’m for a market system that’s way, way the hell off from the abomination we have now, so I would be for a basic net of state-funded health care free at the point of service as a transitional point, (It adding up to a lot less state http://c4ss.org/content/1526 ) but I honestly think that a mix of over the counter ness and a nationalized system would work out the best. I’m tired though. What matters to me is that, even if someone has little problem accessing the health care system, when she loses her pills and it’s a sunday, or she’s on vacation, or for whatever reason can';t make it to the obgyn, she can go pick up the pills at a cost that isn’t prohibitive.

    Anyway, what we have now is pure evil, and just getting some small guarantee birth control access out of it is pretty shabby pickings.

    Grarrgh being dependent on your employer for healthcare is evil rarrgh I gotta go to bed theocracy grumble snore.

  11. .” Is a man sabotaging their abortion?”

    HAHAHHAHAH! THAT’S A GOOD ONE! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!

  12. No shit. Any man who’s worried about becoming a father without having actively planned for it should, if he has any sense, be DELIGHTED to see the government making it easier for women to access hormonal birth control, abortion, etc. But MRAs are neither sensible nor reasonable adults, so they respond with petulance and anger without even stopping to think that less access to birth control = more fathers who never planned on fatherhood.

  13. Also, if it was to go OTC, I’d think we’d have the same issues that have already happened with some pharmacists refusing to dispense it in certain circumstances, so I’d worry that in more conservative parts of the country that might present some issues too.

    We’ve still got that problem here with it being prescription (seriously).

    And while that’s a problem, I think making it uncontrolled by prescription also means it’s also easier for feminists or other concerned people to sell it to get around those barriers. And agian, rememember, this wouldn’t mean your doctor COULDN’T prescribe it for you, or that health clinics couldn’t be involved, especially if you had special needs or were in such a location.

  14. @ zhinxy

    I’ve been in the US for 15 years and I still can’t get over what a terrible idea it is to have corporations be responsible for providing healthcare for most of the population. On that we can agree.

  15. Here’s a thought – if it were to go fully OTC, would that mean that it could be sold over the internet? Because that would be one easy way around the issue of certain parts of the country being de-facto theocracies that want to ban BC completely.

  16. @Cassandra

    What I don’t understand is why they can’t leave women the fuck alone and work towards their own birth control methods. It’s always about controlling what women do. For what it’s worth, I don’t think child support should necessarily be enforced by law. But I can also see the huge fucking difference between forcing a woman to go through an unwanted birth and have her whole changed, and a man who has to pay a few hundred dollars a month.

    At the end of the day, I don’t care if men choose to opt out of fatherhood. As long as they leave women’s reproductive choices the hell alone.

    But it isn’t like that for MRAs is it? because trying to find common ground is hard. Trying to change laws and implement new solutions of supporting children is hard. Changing the status quo is hard. Forcing women to do what men want is much easier though, it’s only been done since the beginning of time. To bad for MRAs and Republicans it’s getting harder though. To bad women are saying no more.

  17. her whole *life* changed

  18. Also I fully support zhinxy’s underground woman’s health collective idea…sadly it’s looking more and more like it will have to come to that

  19. I just saw something really alarming from the superficially ridiculous bill banning prenatal racism. Check out this section. (Credit to Michael Bauser on Jezebel for pointing this out.)

    (2) CIVIL ACTION BY RELATIVES- The father of an unborn child who is the subject of an abortion performed or attempted in violation of subsection (a), or a maternal grandparent of the unborn child if the pregnant woman is an unemancipated minor, may in a civil action against any person who engaged in the violation, obtain appropriate relief, unless the pregnancy resulted from the plaintiff’s criminal conduct or the plaintiff consented to the abortion.

    AND

    (A) IN GENERAL- A qualified plaintiff may in a civil action obtain injunctive relief to prevent an abortion provider from performing or attempting further abortions in violation of this section.

    It’s the Meller-style MRA approach to banning abortion. If this passes it will allow the father, or the mother’s family, to sue the medical staff who performed an abortion if they didn’t give consent to it.

  20. Addendum – All the father/mother’s family would then have to do is claim that the abortion was performed because of racism or sexism on the mother’s part. It’s yet another attempt to make performing abortions so difficult for medical staff because of all the hoops they have to jump through, and so much of a potential liability, that they just opt out of offering abortion services.

  21. What utter bullshit. There are no words…the day is going to come where women will once again be forced to illegally abort and die. I’m sure that would make MRAs and republicans quite happy though. A dead woman is better than one who dared to make her own decisions about her life and body!

  22. @cassandra

    http://www.brook.org.uk/

    maybe the UK version of planned parenthood? i used them once (when the condom broke) to access emergency contraception, i think i was 17, age of consent being 16. they didn’t inform my parents, don’t think there was a requirement for them to do so. very supportive and clear headed people working there. but the issues around contraception and abortion seem less inflammatory in the UK, what with the NHS and all, free pill and condoms.

  23. I feel like there should be a Buttman’s Guide to Contraceptive Services after all this. I don’t even know where to start.

  24. Buttman

    Men….when a female gets pregnant. Really? how many chickens do you keep fucking? And should I call the SPCA or the discovery channel, to tell them that the chicken managed to create an intelligent hybrid?

  25. @CassandraSays- Holyshit that is terrifying. And makes it clear that the fetus really is seen as property of the father/family, and erases the fact that it needs the woman’s body to live. WTF.

  26. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Parental notification laws already make it very difficult for young women to get abortions. Some pregnant minors don’t want to tell their parents they want an abortion, because they are afraid of being kicked out of their home for being pregnant. If a pregnant minor has pro-life parents, zie is also out of luck. There is the option of a judicial bypass for those cases but it can be so time consuming that the minor’s pregnancy might progress too far to get the abortion. Each state makes their own rules, but the further a pregnancy progresses, the harder it is to get an abortion. Alas a Blog has some good information on these laws.

    Other posters have already brought up the prenatal racism bills and transvaginal ultrasound requirements that are intended to make abortion more difficult to access, especially for younger women and economically disadvantaged women. If laws make it too difficult for doctors to provide abortions, then the cost of abortion will rise as the supply falls. The same rich Republicans that try to outlaw contraception and abortion would still have access to them, just like rich people could get safe abortions before Roe v. Wade. Poor women wanting black market abortions oftentimes died or suffered serious complications, and pro life zealouts figured that was a just punishment for premarital sex.

    It makes me sick that society is regressing back to the bad old days. Butthead comes right out with the misognynist reasons to oppose bc and abortion. Other conservatives try to hide their anti woman crap with paternalism and euphemistic language. I’d rather hear the arguments of “Why can’t women put aspiring between their knees?”. At least those people are honest about opposing bc just because they hate women and women’s sexuality.

    I really wish there were more birth control options for men. Men aren’t viewed as sluts for having sex, but instead they’re seen as studs. The double standard would make a male pill be seen as more positive as the pill is for women. The pharmacists that balk at giving pills to sexually active women might be more open to providing pills to men. In any case, it would be awesome for men to be on their own pills and make accidental pregnancies less common.

    As it is right now, here are the expectations MRA’s and other misogynists have for women of childbearing age.

    1. Never have sex, because that’s slutty, unless you’re dating me and then don’t be frigid.
    2. The pill is sinful, but if you have sex with me you had better buy it and use it.
    3. If your pill fails because you had a stomach bug, forgot a pill, or took an antibiotic, then it means you’re a lying sperm stealer wanting to get rich off of child support.
    4. If you are pregnant and want an abortion, I must give my approval first. If I veto your decision, your uterus is my property for the next nine months. If you don’t want one, and I want you to have one, I should be exempt from paying child support.
    5. After the baby is born, never expect child support from the father. Don’t ask for government aid either. Most importantly, don’t be poor. Being poor makes you a BAD MOM!

    So please, Buttwhiner, tell me how oppressed you are by women having low cost birth control provided by the same insurance companies that provide Viagra to men. I’m all ears.

  27. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Buttbaby, my husband got a vasectomy and did not have to pay one cent for a copay or deductible. Our insurance covered it with ZERO out of pocket expenses. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  28. @CassandraSays

    What bill is that?

  29. I’ve been known to engage trolls from time to time, but Buttman is a hit-and-run. There’s literally no reason to respond to him with anything other than amused derision.

  30. I think women should be able to unilaterally choose whether or not to have abortions if men can unilaterally choose whether or not to pay child maintenance.

  31. Under what circumstances richard? How would this apply to families of divorce?

  32. I think women should be able to unilaterally choose whether or not to have abortions if men can unilaterally choose whether or not to pay child maintenance.

    I’m fine with this under circumstances where children can unilaterally choose whether or not to have needs.

    …Hey, can I choose not to have an abortion and choose not to maintain the child? I’ll just drop it off at your house.

  33. To be fair Holly, such an option does exist. Its called adoption. As someone who has been there and done that….its not for the faint of heart. In my eyes the three options available to women: abortion, adoption or raising the child, not one of them is an easy way out. They are all prone to heartbreak.

    For the record Richard, I gave the father of my daughter three months from the time I realized I was pregnant to walk away without consequence. He chose to stay and it wasn’t until we broke up two years later that suddenly it was a horrible that he pay to support his daughter.

  34. I think women should be able to unilaterally choose whether or not to have abortions if men can unilaterally choose whether or not to pay child maintenance.

    I fully endorse this. I assume you also fully endorse a social safety net that ensures every adult, teenager and child has free access to food, board, health services and education?

  35. OK, fine. If the guy wants to opt out of support, he has to go whole hog and opt out of the kid’s life entirely. No weekend daddying, no birthdays, nada.

  36. I wonder where Richard acquired the misconception that anyone in the universe cared what he thought?

  37. I think women should be able to unilaterally choose whether or not to have abortions if men can unilaterally choose whether or not to pay child maintenance.

    Yeah, you guys love to float this fallacious argument. Men and women have equal rights to avoid pregnancy before it happens, and an equal responsibility to care for the child after it’s born. Women get to choose what happens to their own bodies while pregnant.

    Also, contraception does not equal abortion. Thanks for playing, Richard.

  38. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    I think women should be able to unilaterally choose whether or not to have abortions if men can unilaterally choose whether or not to pay child maintenance.

    Richard, ampersand has explained why your argument is wrong at Alas, A Blog, with Choice-for-men-aka-paper-abortions are legal child abandonment. And abortion rights are not a double standard

    Ampersand said it better than I could. The only point I would add is that pregnant men can get abortions just like pregnant women. Cis men can not have abortions, because they can not get pregnant.

  39. Ever taken a look at the legal status of frozen embryos outside of anyone’s body or surrogate cases? Hint, if there is no contract, each gamete provider equally owns a frozen embryo and each has veto rights (the embryos are either preserved indefinitely at the expense of the person opposing destruction or destroyed). In surrogacy cases, the surrogate has the right to abort or not abort. She cannot be denied the right to abort (though if she is paid, there may be some remedial measures regarding the payment). Abortion rights are contingent not on being the egg provider, but on being the pregnant person. The fact that most men can’t get pregnant is not a legal or social inequality, it’s a biological quirk. Complaining a person who doesn’t have a uterus is denied rights because they can’t have an abortion is like complaining a person who doesn’t have testicles is denied rights because they can’t have a vasectomy.

  40. re Sylphium (the plant which was, among other things, purportedly a good contraceptive/abortifacient), was probably driven extinct because it was such a hugely popular herb.

    The majority of the witing about it at the time was lamenting how hard it was becoming to find, as a means of flavoring food (apparently it had a flavor something like garlic, only much better).

    But it had a very small niche in terms of where it could grow. The same people who drove the European lion extinct for their games, and could pay to have hummingbirds’ tongues, and dormice, collected by the bushel; and packed in honey to be shipped to Rome for suppers (as well as live fish from what is now Russia) were apparently more avaricious for it than the women who wanted to use it as a contraceptive.

    So that’s something we probably can’t blame on women.

  41. Shaenon: Ah… the Eye of Argon, I well remember the unreasonable terror induced by a woman kicking a man in the groin so hard that he flew 30 feet to hit a wall so hard he was knocked unconscious.

    What’s with the direct correlation between referring to women as “females” and brain-melting misogyny?

    It’s not direct, but it’s very high. I use female a fair bit of the time. It’s a habit I got in the Army, where we distinguish male/female soldiers when the need to take gender into account comes up.

  42. Don’t even think of going for joint custody because 99.9% of unwed mothers are given primary custody.

    Let’s see… no marriage, no divorce. Only provable parent gets custody, and the guy who whines about “women getting 18(plus) years of payments is probably not clear on the fact that absent an admission/legal declaration of paternity the man isn’t on the hook.

  43. zhinxy: re OTC BC.

    I feel your pain. The real problem is the lack of affordable medical care for most people. If BC was OTC lots of people wouldn’t bother, for reasons of cost, to see a providor for help in determining the best regimen.

  44. Agreed, Pecunium. While I wish that the Pill could be sold OTC, there are too many variables and also the fact that it’s potentially dangerous for women with certain medical conditions (some seizure disorders, migraines, high blood pressure, etc.) Prescription medications aren’t restricted because of some NWO conspiracy to let the average person die or to make a lot of money for big pharma. It’s because they’re potent, powerful and potentially dangerous, when taken by the wrong people or in the wrong situations.

    Really, the solution here is to expand access to medical care for everyone.

  45. Nova: I agree. I am lucky, in that I have single-payer health care. That means (as a veteran) I am pretty much guaranteed to be more Democrat than Republican; because when the Republicans are in charge, the VA gets underfunded and my health care suffers.

  46. Jon Stewart Nailed It. With the, “Eye on the ladies” sketch.

  47. the transvaginal ultrasound bill might be stalling out, mostly because it turned out to be massively unpopular

    http://prospect.org/article/bob-mcdonnell-backs-down

    also, i don’t think it’s like to come to anything major, but a federal judge just issued a preliminary injunction against enforcement of north carolina’s ‘woman’s right to know’ law (requirement that women receive unnecessary information, usually medically inaccurate and designed to scare them out of it, before they can obtain an abortion) on the grounds that it violates the first amendment

  48. *likely violates the first amendment

  49. That and we are just so much more charming Pecunium. :P

  50. Question: Does free speech also cover your right to not say something if you don’t want to? I should imagine it does, but I don’t know.

  51. @Katz
    Well, if someone is forcing you to say something, then you could possibly make an argument that it’s not really “free” speech, but I’m not sure. I think the fifth amendment would be more relevant, but then again it only seems to apply to trials.
    Mind you, I’m not American, so I’m not really familiar with how that works.

  52. Re: free speech and N. Carolina: I think the issue is that the medical professional’s “right” to give patients the best/most informed information possible is being infringed by state coercion to try to force them to give patients information that is false–there’s a bunch of fake statistics touted by the anti-choice movement about the impact of abortion on women.

  53. It’s not just drinks or dinner. MEN pay for condoms.

    I know the convo has moved on by now, but I *just bought* a box of condoms for Winter Fire! XD I also always get my own dental dams and lube, because not enough people know that you need those things too. Apparently I am the ONLY WOMAN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that’s ever done this!

  54. The idea that only men pay for condoms is pretty much as ludicrous as the idea that only men buy drinks or dinner. It’s like we have some sort of invasion of time travellers from the 1920s…

  55. But you know what? If you’re a ‘traditionalist’ and you think women ought stay off the job market because OMG babyz, you don’t get to complain that you need to pay for everything. You don’t get to complain about ‘gold diggers’ in a universe in which you work consciously towards the idea that women should not be active on the job market. If you think women should be dependant on a man’s financial prowess to survive, then you tacitly endorse that a rational woman should aim for the rich and powerful, and ought to sell as little of herself for as much wealth as she can get. If you buy into Homo Economicus, you don’t get to say that shooting for max profit is okay if you’re a man but not okay if you’re a woman. If you deplore that women are selfish gold diggers, drop the libertarian act, because your complaint is not that they’re selfish (since you see that as hunky dory) but that they’re *uppity slaves*.

  56. I know the convo has moved on by now, but I *just bought* a box of condoms for Winter Fire! XD I also always get my own dental dams and lube, because not enough people know that you need those things too. Apparently I am the ONLY WOMAN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that’s ever done this!

    I buy half of the condom: I buy for my home, boyfriend buy for his. And I buy lube, because, well, I’m the one to use it, so the other way would feel uncomfortable.

    I had to google dental dam, though. And now I’m wondering if I missed a chapter in mst prevention.

  57. Contraception for men has already been trialled successfully but not rolled out. It has been proven to be fully effective, last nearly a decade and the single injection costs less than the syringe cost.

    I believe that contraception should be an equal duty and men need more choice, that is why I urge everyone to please sign this petition:

    https://www.change.org/​en-GB/petitions/​nhs-government-allow-male-c​ontraceptives-equal-respon​sibility-for-both-genders

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