“Women from around the world look better than anything back in the states, cost less unless you’re totally stupid, and are much more easily disposed of.”
Irony alert! The level of irony in this post is so extreme it might actually harm your computer.
So a couple of days ago, MGTOWer extraordinaire MarkyMark, continuing on with his post-retirement posting binge, shared with us an email he got from a fella who had skipped the country in order to avoid paying child support for his three kids.
I’m a deadbeat dad!!! (light your torches – gasoline in 89, 91, and 95 octane is available in your choice of containers). Yep, I’ve got three kids and I’m behind on my child kidnapping payments by probably 10 grand at present and considerably more behind on alimony and her lawyer fees. I skipped the country rather than be jailed for all of the above compounding my crimes. A runaway slave is the worst kind of slave – one that absolutely refuses to serve his massa.
Yep, that’s right. He compared the legal requirement that he provide financial assistance to his own children to … slavery.
In the rest of his letter, he encouraged other “slaves” to follow in his path.
My favorite bit is the quote I used as the headline:
Women from around the world look better than anything back in the states, cost less unless you’re totally stupid, and are much more easily disposed of.
Ooh. That last bit is rather unfortunately worded – unless he really is suggesting that outside the US it is easier to get rid of the bodies of murdered girlfriends and wives.
So anyway, MarkyMark’s post got linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit. And this little discussion ensued. You may wish to activate your irony shields now.
Take note of the upvotes and downvotes for these three comments.
Posted on February 6, 2012, in creepy, douchebaggery, evil women, hypocrisy, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misogyny, MRA, victimhood. Bookmark the permalink. 316 Comments.
How did he afford to skip the country, I wonder?
I assume (hope) “disposed of” just means that he can more easily run away when he gets them pregnant and disappears.
Apparently having to pay for your children’s care is “slavery,” but having to work caring for those children and pay for it is…
…is the lot of women and they ought to like that sort of thing.
:(
It’s sad when that reading is the generous one.
These guys have ample opportunity to pay their obligations before the specter of jail rears its head. They don’t want to, so the easy route is skipping the country. MRA logic never ceases to amaze me.
But of course they really, really, REALLY care about their kids and would never use them as pawns. Too bad they can’t raise themselves and totally make it easy on these dudes.
Someone previously mentioned that rooshv was on a pump and dump tour of eastern Europe bit got into trouble when a few countries local men found out what he was doing and started throwing him out of nightclubs.
I often wonder what local men think of these sex tourists.
I think Thailand was starting to bring in laws with regards to foreign men dating/marrying Thai ladies?
Yeah, it really sucks how America won’t let men just dispose of women they don’t want any more. Scott Peterson, represent!
By “women around the world” I assume he doesn’t mean, like, Sweden, because things didn’t go so well there for Assange.
“Yep, that’s right. He compared the legal requirement that he provide financial assistance to his own children to … slavery”
So? That’s no different than the pro-abortionist feminist argument.
How does one despise his own children so much as to not want to pay to help raise them?
My dad paid child support happily and sometimes helped out extra due to some other circumstances. He never complained, because he knew he was taking care of us that way and making sure we still had food to eat and a roof over our heads.
I don’t even
It’s a wonder why a woman would divorce such an great man as this. He seems so warm and loving.
Wait, did this guy just abandon his kids and then brag about it?
Protip: don’t stick your penis in vaginas if you don’t want children.
I sincerely hope the douchebag ends up dying alone, after begging his kids to come see him, and having them refuse.
Without the often adorable or hilarious images accompanying the quotes in this posts, this would be the most depressing site ever.
@Common Nonsense, that’s how I feel. I have my issues with my biological dad’s parenting style, but at least he was happy to contribute to his children’s well-being. Paying child support was the least he could do, and he knew it.
MRAs make me want to call all of my parents and give them giant phone hugs.
A custodial parent can’t just up and decide to stop providing food, clothing, medical care, and shelter to hir children. Non custodial parents can at the very least pay a few hundred dollars a month for their children. That’s not even close to half of the cost of raising children anyway.
MRAs view women as disposable objects and children as pawns. In other news, water is wet.
I’ve mentioned my qualms regarding child support and I really don’t think it’s something to be jailed over, but even if it were no longer required by law, I think there would still be plenty of fathers who would gladly pay it like Common Nonsense’s dad. They do it because they love and care about their kids. The men like the one in the OP makes it pretty obvious he could care less. I’m glad he came out and admitted that he is a deadbeat though, now MRAs can stop pretending that deadbeat dads are a feminist myth.
My everyday reaction to MRA logic:
Protip: don’t stick your peen into vajayjays if you don’t want children.
Scar, indeed!
Quakers, as a parent of children, I absolutely endorse jailing those garbage nightmares who willfully bail on their children. Once the kid is there, both parents are responsible for that child.
@Bostonian
While I agree that willfully bailing on your children when you can afford child support is a disgusting thing to do, I don’t think jailing parents who honestly can’t afford child support is appropriate. I dunno, I think we need a new system because it seems like this one isn’t working.
I don’t think that’s quite fair to say. But I’d agree with “don’t stick your peen into vajayjays if you are unable to accept any risk of having children.”
This wasn’t some sort of accident or “she told me she was on the pill,” anyway. These were kids he had, apparently intentionally, with his wife.
Mr. Muggles should consult with Macavity.
I don’t think that’s quite fair to say. But I’d agree with “don’t stick your peen into vajayjays if you are unable to accept any risk of having children.”
Or, to be entirely complete, “don’t stick your peen into vajayjays if you are unable to accept any risk of having children, and don’t stick your peen into vajayjays without some form of protection if you are unwilling to commit to caring for children roughly nine months later and for eighteen-plus years thereafter.”
People who are poor and cannot afford to support their kids are not the same people as the douchebags who abandon them without even trying.
Also, no actual parents have been jailed for being poor, that I know of. A few have been jailed for owing thousands of dollars in support though, when they could have paid the support easily.
I thought that was pretty clearly intimated in the snark and didn’t need to be explained.
I’m painfully literal sometimes. :|
This guy’s likely to end up as a bitter, divorced 53-year-old with a triple bypass and no friends.
Such a sad, sad little man.
“How did he afford to skip the country, I wonder?”
$10,000 for child support? Unaffordable. Skipping out on his duties to take care of his child? Buying a plane ticket (easily upwards of a 1,000) to a foreign country? Living in said foreign country for a length of time? Dating foreign women and taking them out to dinner, buying them gifts? Now that is easily afforable.
I honestly wonder what these people would think of a woman who stepped out on her obligations to pay child support to a custodial man…
Major Kong –
I dunno how old he is, but he clearly rounded bitter and divorced a few miles back.
This guy’s likely to end up as a bitter, divorced 53-year-old with a triple bypass and no friends.
Such a sad, sad little man.
Except for the divorced part, (and possibly the triple bypass part) that describes our troll of the year to a tee.
I honestly wonder what these people would think of a woman who stepped out on her obligations to pay child support to a custodial man…
I suspect they’d dismiss the possibility of that happening out of hand. ‘Cause men never ever get custody amirite?
My protip: do not, at any point, consider having children if you think skipping the country to be more logical than paying to raise your half of the genetic material. :T
@Dracula,
Well, all women have to do is cry, and people throw cash at them. So, not a problem.
With such regard for his wife and children, combined with the disposability of women from around the world, I am wondering whether this irresponsible deadbeat was our ol’ friend Tyrone, whose contingency plan as published on Château Heartiste had been to skip the country:
Sadly, it’s likely just a co-incidence that other MRAs share the same reprehensible views.
My protip would be: don’t have kids unless you are willing to put their welfare above all else–especially your own petty resentments.
Aren’t MRAs just wonderful people.
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night.
Sometimes a promise is indistinguishable from a threat.
So, anyone want to argue that these guys are really just sad inside? And deserve anything but our cold contempt?
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night.
Also, I genuinely worry about the mental state of that wife . . .
What has two thumbs and can’t use proper code when quoting things?
< This person. Whoops.
Brandon? Or Brandon’s mentor? Taking all bets.
The fuckstick in the OP, living it up in foreign lands while neglecting his kids, probably accuses his ex-wife of “turning the kids against him.”
He’s totally going to wonder why his kids hate him.
Also can I say that threatening to run off when your wife wants a divorce is pretty damn hilarious (not that this won’t/can’t create problems for the spouse, I can especially see this as a threat to stay-at-home spouses, but from his context it seems to me like he’s talking about leaving in a “and you’ll all miss me, and write poems about it, and cry, but it’ll be too late cos I’ll have dug my way to china”)
Much like MGTOW, it’s kind of similar to declaring that you quit at a job where you were just fired.
“Yep, that’s right. He compared the legal requirement that he provide financial assistance to his own children to … slavery”
So? That’s no different than the pro-abortionist feminist argument.
That’s right, Butt-laddie: it’s no different except for that fact that it’s totally and completely fucking different to anyone with a functioning brain. So, yeah, I can see why you don’t see any difference. But, to the rest of us, it’s like comparing the requirement to pay taxes with being forced to donate a kidney. In other words, it’s pretty fucking different.
Men are loving fathers only prevented by the Feminazi gynocratic courts from caring for their kids, thinking of them all the time.
Any man who misses so much as a single child support payment, even for unemployment, is jailed permanently, and spit upon by the mother.
I googled “LBFM” as my fiancé and I didn’t know what it meant.
I wish I hadn’t :-(
@Rutee,
She spits on him while simultaneously eating bon-bons and fucking an alpha. Because women are apparently both evil and rather talented.
Bostonian, re contempt:
Why would I wish to carry around even so much as a shadow of the same malaise this guy has? I don’t excuse their behavior, I don’t think they should live consequence free, and it makes me really angry to see the damage they do. And I refuse to open the doorway to the kind of treatment contempt breeds (the kind you see on MRA and other hate group boards). The other thing is that you don’t get this kind of twisted humanity from thin air very easily. Some of it is choice and some of that twisting is from environmental factors beyond their control. Which is why abuse can persist in families over generations.
People here disagree with me on this. All I can say is that not carrying contempt gives me peace to move on. If you wish to mock me, go right ahead. We can carry this conversation here, or at my blog so as to not disturb those who are simply looking to laugh at some really idiotic thinking.
“Simply disappear into the night?” What is he, Batman?
And in my books, a drop or two of pity is a good remedy
Pillowinhell, why do you think that those of us who regard MRAs with contempt are carrying some sort of terrible burden? I’m totally OK with feeling contempt towards loathsome people. Sneering at them does me no harm at all, and I’m pretty sure it’s not a burden to most other people who feel the same way either. Contempt doesn’t automatically lead to awful behavior either, if you’re a decent person.
Here we go.
@ katz
Needs more references to the submissive women who I can find elsewhere, so I’ll find another wife, you just see if I don’t!
Contempt is not a big burden for me, I think it is different for each person. Also, when people reacted with compassion to MARL, for example, he was quick to piss on it and throw it back in people’s faces.
I do not think these people care about compassion at all the way you are offering it.
Not that offering it is bad in and of itself, I just do not think they will take you up on it the way you hope they will.
I googled “LBFM” as my fiancé and I didn’t know what it meant.
I wish I hadn’t
Those MRAs are all class.
Katz that was awesome!!! More please!
Cassandra, if you’re fine with it then okay. For me its different.
Ugh…how to explain this…
Okay let’s try for short and sweet (neither of which is a strong point for me =) ). It comes down to not wanting to carry anger or hatred. I was an abused child. Badly abused. Until about seven when the beatings stopped, at least. End result was a lot of misdirected rage. Two, came from a horrific family background. And contempt fueled by anger was one of the major drives behind it.
I’m sure that decent people can keep a rein on their behavior where contempt is involved. For me its an open door, and I don’t want to see where it goes.
Yeah, a dash of racism to go with the misogyny.
Bostonian I think you are right. When you try to help, people like MRAL will throw it back in your face, they aren’t ready to change. The thing is, that if you show contempt to people it drives them to the other toxic people who will only feed their sickness. And it prevents them from reaching out to those who could help. Would you ask for help in any way from someone who views you with the same distaste as shit?
From what I gather, a lot of people here had high hopes for MRAL. Unfortunately, untangling distorted thinking patterns and uncovering underlying crap is a) difficult and b) something done of a length of time which means that its probably more comfortable to return to crappy behavior. I can’t say that MRAL was particularly sincere. Hopefully he’ll come around before things get worse. I personally would practice detachment from the outcome, rather than hope too much.
I was just over at the thinking housewife…is there anything feminism isn’t blamed for?
Mens fashions? Really???
Its bad enough when feminists get lumped in with behavior non feminists do.
The thing is, the things that are quoted here, on this website, are from the evil, the stupid, and the criminally insane elements of the MRM (these are not mutually exclusive by the way). I suppose there may be parts of the MRM that are not evil, stupid or criminally insane. I have read the sites, and they all pretty much fall into those categories. People that identify as MRAs are already too far gone to help in any real way.
The only people we can really help are those in our day to day lives.
The thing is, the things that are quoted here, on this website, are from the evil, the stupid, and the criminally insane elements of the MRM (these are not mutually exclusive by the way).
So who is who? C’mon, if you’re going to make accusations, you better back it up. Who is criminally insane? Who’s evil?
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/on-becoming-a-good-man/
So which one is he?
Criminally insane? Evil? Or stupid?
From the post:
People ask me why I am an MRA, why I avoid anything with a feminist label. The answer is simple: I have seen and been part of a damaging past that has happened through bad people using feminism as an excuse to hate and to do bad things. I have been diminished and despised because I’m a man. I don’t hate women because of this. I know there are more good women than bad, in the same way that there are more good men than bad. But the MRA is one place where I haven’t been judged. I haven’t been made to feel shame for what has happened to me. I haven’t been called a liar or been made to feel like one.
Still ready to call us evil, stupid or criminally insane?
Or maybe you should look in the mirror.
I don’t think these guys could be helped by anyone who wasn’t either a professional psychologist.
In real life, I don’t think I’d want to touch their issues with a barge pole. Someone like MRAL, well having them around decent folks who can provide encouragement and example would be good, as long as they were getting pro help and making a concerted effort.
Nephrite I’ve seen and been on the receiving end of the masculinity and ideology of femininity the MRAs promote. From childhood until nearly an adult. So yes, the thinking is very problematic.