Devastating new “fly” slogan gives MRAs the edge in the war of ideas
Well, my fellow feminists, we might as well pack it in. For the forces arrayed against us have a devastating, nay brutal, new slogan.
The Counter-Feminist Agent of Change (CFAC) who calls himself Fidelbogen explained in a recent post how this “wicked new slogan” came to him. Also, what the slogan is:
This occurred to me in a flash of inspiration today. I grabbed the first scrap of paper I could find and jotted it down:
Feminism spreads lies like a fly spreads germs.
You like it? I thought you would.
So . . . spread it around, and make it part of the “buzz”!
Get it? Buzz. Like, “buzz” means “what people are excitedly talking about.” But it is also the sound that a fly makes.
See, Fidelbogen is working with TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS at once. It’s like juggling two things at once, only with your brain. No wonder some MRAs regard his as the finest mind in the Men’s Rights movement today.
Several days after The Bogen (that’s what I like to call him) came up with this masterful slogan, one artistically minded MRA took it to a whole nother level – by using the slogan in the graphic above.
As The Bogen explained in his second post about his new slogan:
Memes can take many forms, and what you see here is among the most elemental and effective of those forms.
I am posting this graphic image for anybody on the planet who wants to fly away with it and spread it around.
First with the “buzz” thing, and now “fly away with it.” LIKE FLIES DO! The man is a genius.
Hell man, you could even print it on T-shirts and coffee mugs. Certainly you can post it on your website. Best of all, you can print it on little squares of paper and leave these in all manner of places where all manner of people will happen upon them.
Oh shit. T-shirts? Mugs? Motherfucking SQUARES OF PAPER?! He’s going CROSS-PLATFORM!
This is the sort of thing that will land in people’s brains, and buzz around there, and never leave!
I explained the buzz thing already, didn’t I?
It will find its way into the general buzz of conversation, too!
Just in case you’ve forgotten. Buzz = what people are talking about. ALSO THE SOUND FLIES MAKE.
I still cannot get over how much of a genius move that whole “buzz” thing is. I don’t know how he does it.
I kindly thank St. Estephe, the blog keeper who created this. I am honored to see my words so skillfully combined with pictures, and made ten times more effective by that method.
It’s true. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to find a picture of a fly, and then to put words next to it.
How can we possibly compete with this?
I tried to come up with some slogans of my own. But the best I could do was this:
I hope you guys have some better ideas.
Try QuickMeme if you want to make a little graphic. I’ll post any especially good ones here!
EDITED TO ADD: Some more graphics that are Fidelbogenesque in their brilliance. One from Scar, one from me.
Posted on February 5, 2012, in antifeminism, girl germs, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, kitties, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 696 Comments.
Uh… I talk so much about male rape survivors I occasionally joke I’m NSWATM’s Rape Correspondent.
Also I have done more than Nephrite to help male survivors! Thanks to me, raping a man at my college is an actionable offense to be punished by expulsion, just like the rape of a woman! And all prevention, educational, and awareness activities are required to be gender-inclusive!
Oh men’s health, I love that hobby horse. See, the rest of us don’t complain when other people get health problems done; see AIDS research, which helps a higher proportion of men (Gay women have a much lower incidence of the disease). But the men’s rights groups love to complain that someone besides them benefits.
You know, I’d laugh because this is stupid, but just because you didn’t hear about the genocide at darfur, the murder of child witches, and the general death and destruction in Africa (Which doesn’t just affect men, you sexist git, just as you idiots seem tot hink the fighters are only men.) doesn’t mean the rest of us haven’t.
Based on outright lies; men make up the majority of single homeless, doubtless, but when you start accounting for homeless families…
The one about the national debt is even more idiotic and based outright on untruths. Not the least of which for pretending alimony is still a thing, but hey. Though my favorite part about that was “FEWER WOMENA RE BEHIND BARS”. Fewer women commit crime, you dumbasses. Work against patriarchal narratives of violence if you want to help with that.
@laura
you have to. it’s a scumm-based point-and-click adventure game and im pretty sure its freeware now. its only tangentially related to the story, but ellison does the voice of AM, and if youve never heard him perform its a must. if you use a walkthrough (and you should use a walkthrough, the game is incredibly obtuse) you can go through it in a day
Still haven’t answered my question Nephy =)
Oh no, I am totally a faux-geek. My talents are better suited to killing innocent men by holding down a job in a male-dominated industry.
I only watch Star Trek because I have a lady boner for Jonathan Frakes.
I did the math on this a while back! If you account for homeless families the ratio is about 60/40 in favor of men. And apparently cis men and trans people are less likely to be sheltered homeless, but I haven’t dug into the stats on that yet, and I don’t know if it accounts for the families factor. If Darksidecat gets on zie might be able to enlighten us.
I’m still unclear as to Nephrite’s stance on the ‘Catchy’ slogan about germs and lies.
Could you enlighten us, Nephy?
I personally believe it should be “feminism spreads lies like flies spread shit: it’s just their nature” but I didn’t make it.
I think the image is too boring to catch the eye of the regular person, especially since people are generally wired to care about women and feminism. A more effective image would be flies obscuring a poster about male rape survivors. One single fly is very boring. Like me, apparently.
But I think working on slogans, and working on appealing the mass public rather than preaching to the choir is absolutely important to the Men’s Rights Revolution and I applaud any steps in that vein.
There are actually several “The Dark Knight” children’s books. One takes the party scene from TDK, but changes it so that it’s Bruce’s birthday, not Harvey’s fundraiser. The Joker shows up to rob everybody, knocks them out with sleeping gas, and then decides to kidnap Rachel to hold her for ransom from Bruce Wayne, but Batman shows up and stops him.
Another is the aftermath of the bank robbery scene, in which the Joker apparently spent the rest of the day driving around in the school bus until Batman caught him, leading to a confrontation inside a toy store in which the Joker threw some cards in Batman’s face but was nonetheless apprehended.
The other two are books for kids learning to read that mostly just introduce the characters.
Still haven’t answered my question Nephy =)
What was it?
Ok, sorry to derail but this is the most adorable thing ever:
Okay, I have an early morning lab, so I really am going to bed now.
Let me know if Nephrite comes out and says he hates women, or if he continues to toe the usual MRA line of “women are horrible monsters who destroy everything they touch… but how dare you claim I hate them!”
It’s like some small part of them understands that “misogynist” is an insult, but has completely forgotten why.
Okay, it is time for another quiz.
1) How many people on this blog believe envelopment is not rape?
2) How many people in the general public believe envelopment is not rape?
Show your work.
Based on outright lies; men make up the majority of single homeless, doubtless, but when you start accounting for homeless families…
So anything that doesn’t give you the information you want is “lies”?
Yeah, Nephrite, why so shy all of a sudden? You haven’t told me what a lazy bitch I was for two and a half years while MrB and I tried to keep the family together! (for the math impaired: two years with Grandma + six months helping while Dad was sick = two and a half years)
But wait, there’s more:
The Joker’s intro in one of the “learning to read” ones:
Yeah, Nephrite, why so shy all of a sudden? You haven’t told me what a lazy bitch I was for two and a half years while MrB and I tried to keep the family together! (for the math impaired: two years with Grandma + six months helping while Dad was sick = two and a half years)
Superbowl.
shouldn’t you be super critical of this endeavor then, considering that nobody involved actually put in any effort?
And my personal favorite of all:
Do you hate women, Nephy?
shouldn’t you be super critical of this endeavor then, considering that nobody involved actually put in any effort?
I’ve already let the relevant parties know where I stand on the issue.
Do you hate women, Nephy?
Do you hate men? Do you hate non-transgendered people? Do you hate me?
Laura: AWWWWWWW. The Joker looks so put out! :)
No. No. Yes. That was easy!
Let me know if Nephrite comes out and says he hates women, or if he continues to toe the usual MRA line of “women are horrible monsters who destroy everything they touch… but how dare you claim I hate them!”
Not all women are feminists. Isn’t that what feminists always say?
No, I love everyone, even you, ya big lug :-)
So, do you hate women?
Also, protip: non-trans people are called “cis” people.
@Ozy: The Joker’s frowny face has become my avatar on like every single site. It’s so adorable.
@ozyman
And why do you hate me?
Also, protip: non-trans people are called “cis” people.
That’s nice.
Joanna: That… that is awesome.
Speaking of avatars, what do I have to register on to be able to change the gravatar here?
You’re a pretty transparent dude, dude. When you have a good answer to a question, you give it. When you don’t, you ask questions.
So I’ll take that as a “Yes, I hate women, but I think that ‘woman-hater’ is a bad thing to be called, so instead of resolving my cognitive dissonance I’ll ask nonsensical pseudo-gotcha questions.”
Anyway, the answers to your questions are:
-No.
-No.
-I wouldn’t say hate. It’s more just annoyance.
Nephrite: Actually, I don’t hate you. I am quite glad of your existence. I tend to use yelling at trolls as a coping mechanism to deal with stress and social anxiety and loneliness, and NWO’s absence left me utterly bereft. :)
Holly, shouldn’t you be in bed? :) Have fun at your lab!
Nephy, why are you frothing at a blog that exists to mock misogyny? Is it because your bullshit would be banned outright at a more serious site? If you were any good, you’d be somewhere else.
All thank to David for the never-ending supply of trolly chew toys.
Lauralot: http://en.gravatar.com/ I think.
BARGH!
I always miss the fun! >_< Nobody told me jerkface complainypants was back! XD
Though, I'm kinda in a depressed mood today :( But still!
And he's watching the Super Bowl! YAY! :D Nobody I know is watching it but me :( I'm always like the only sports fan…
But Nephrite, if you blame feminism for men being injured in wars… you do know that you're watching a bunch of men getting the crap kicked out of them, suffering concussions, and broken bones, and etc etc for your (and mine) entertainment right? And yet, there's no women. Must be male disposability right? Shouldn't you be enraged? Shouldn't you be protesting? THERE SHOULD BE AN EQUAL NUMBER OF WOMEN GETTING SMACKED IN THE HEAD IN THE NFL!!!!
Also… GO PATRIOTS!!!!
I’m watching it, Ami. GO… whoever. I have no dog in this fight.
I should be in bed, Ozy. We’re doing the bone lab tomorrow, where have to go through and identify every part of the skeleton. Should be fun.
the head-bone’s connected to the… fuck. um, ankle-bone? is there extra credit on this test?
Nephrite: Actually, I don’t hate you. I am quite glad of your existence. I tend to use yelling at trolls as a coping mechanism to deal with stress and social anxiety and loneliness, and NWO’s absence left me utterly bereft. :)
Maybe not being a feminist would help all 3 of those better than whining a lot.
Also, Nephy, what would you do if you were raped?
*tags Ami into the ring*
go get ‘em, Rodeo Tiger.
What does “not being a feminist” mean to you, Nephrite?
To me, the only way to not be a feminist at all would be to believe that I don’t deserve human rights. I think if you believe women deserve to own property, even, you’re a little bit of a feminist.
So I’m not really seeing the stress relief there.
@Amy Angelwing
Now a chick claims to like sports. Rich.
You’re a pretty transparent dude, dude. When you have a good answer to a question, you give it. When you don’t, you ask questions.
Or maybe you just hate having your beliefs questioned.
Thanks, Scar.
*hugs Ami*
I… actually do believe in the disposable male concept as a useful tool of analysis? But I believe that it is best understood as “the male gender role of strength and toughness tends to lead to marginalized men, including men of color, poor men, and young men, to be encouraged to sacrifice their bodies to benefit the privileged (for instance, in war, sports, or dangerous jobs), in a way that marginalized women tend not to. I say ‘tend’ because there are quite a lot of marginalized women who end up sacrificing themselves to benefit the privileged classes– Ain’t I A Woman?, after all.”
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-battle-for-feminisms-soul/
This is a good article that explains what feminism is and isn’t.
Are my posts invisible or something? =(
Not to me, Joanna. That kitten was adorable.
I was crazy long before my feminist awakening, dude. I wanted to kill myself for the first time when I was seven. Feminism has actually made me loads saner. :)
okay, for serious, good night everyone! :)
(On my bookshelf: Sex at Dawn, Opening Up, The Ethical Slut, and The Cosmo Guide To Red-Hot Sex. The funny thing is, these are all basically work reading for me. When I’m reading just for fun I more often read nonfiction popular science books. Stuff like Dead Men Do Tell Tales or any of Mary Roach’s books.)
so… i dont get what this means?
are you with us on how totally lame and lazy this shit is? if so, why not? will you at least concede that the graphic was made in mspaint and at most took ten minutes?
Why would I listen to A Voice For Men telling me what feminism stands for? If I want to know what Christianity stands for, I ask Christians; if I want to know what the Republican party stands for, I ask Republicans; if I want to know what Marxism stands for, I read Marx. I don’t go ask the enemies about it; the enemies will probably lie.
And, yes, to find out what the MRM stands for I went to read The Spearhead, A Voice for Men, and Roissy. Roissy’s the most entertaining of the lot to me.
Nephrite: Shall i tell you the story of watching Kris Draper get his face mangled by Lemieux? Okay, i wasn’t there, I was at college in Missouri, but yeah, I’ve been a Red Wings fan all my life. Shall I regale you with the joy of being a Wings fan in Denver? Good times, man. Good times.
Shit, if Paul Elam told me the sky was blue, I’d get a second opinion.
So do you hate women, Nephy?
Nephrite, your silence would indicate what I would suspect of male rape survivors: that they don’t report rape.
@Ozy but I think whats missing a lot of the times, is that a lot of that isn’t because we think men are disposable as much as we think women would be even WORSE at being disposable. We believe that women are worse athletes, would be injured even faster, would be killed faster on the battlefield (or have a lower tolerance of pain, break down from the stress faster, therefore be a bigger drain on resources, and on resources to train them) etc etc… It’s not just “we hate men, so there you go”… nor is it ‘we love women, so you’re protected”… it’s b/c we look down on a lot of what women CAN do… that’s why I think just turning these things into “male disposability” ends up obscuring a lot of what’s going on :\
I’ve heard the same argument about hockey by MRAs, it ignores that women WANT to play hockey, they WANT to check but the IOC (who are men) don’t LET them check and are the ones who ban it in international competition. -_-
j’accuse! fidelbogen sockpuppet! j’accuse!
Also all of those things are lauded in our society too. There’s a huge problem in terms of ignoring people who don’t make it, but it’s something that’s seen as laudable, impressive, a demonstration of courage, skill, etc… and it’s not just about trying to trick men into sacrificing themselves. (I’m not saying you don’t know this or don’t get it, I’m re-iterating for our friend up there)
Ami: Yep. It’s a classic sexism-sucks-for-everyone-type situation. “Men are strong and tough so we shouldn’t care if they hurt!” “Women are weak so they can’t get in situations in which they get hurt!”
Hells, I’ll even admit to being… /me looks around… A Lions fan. In public!
KathleenB | February 5, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Nephrite: Shall i tell you the story of watching Kris Draper get his face mangled by Lemieux? Okay, i wasn’t there, I was at college in Missouri, but yeah, I’ve been a Red Wings fan all my life. Shall I regale you with the joy of being a Wings fan in Denver? Good times, man. Good times.
I was an Avs fan back then even though we were the aggressors, I still hated you guys with a passion XDD I loved how intense that rivalry was. It’s one of the few times I was okay witih fighting b/c this wasn’t staged fake “rawr rawr I have to do it to prove I’m tough!” fighting, this was real hatred and anger.
Ami: Yep. It’s a classic sexism-sucks-for-everyone-type situation. “Men are strong and tough so we shouldn’t care if they hurt!” “Women are weak so they can’t get in situations in which they get hurt!”
To be fair, we do care if they get hurt. We might not care ENOUGH, and there is often a culture where they are encouraged not to report it, but it’s hardly what a lot of MRAs make it out to be.
Nephrite: But sure, let’s just all lie down and ignore that stopping the source of what’s hurting men WILL HELP MEN.
And women hurt men by breathing? By having the franchise? By being paid the same as men? By not being raped? By being protected from abuse the same as men?
Those are things you think of as being harmful to men?
And you wonder why you aren’t taken seriously?
It’s not, btw, that we hate analogies, it’s that analogies are hard. They have to be relevant to the thing being analgised. Are you seriously trying to say that women are working to kill off all men (Nazis and Jews)?
Men aren’t being oppressed by women.
The draft? The Draft that NOW is opposed to? The draft that feminists have tried to equalise the registration for?
The draft that hasn’t actually existed for 40 years (cancelled in 1972)?
That’s your example of oppression? Something that hasn’t happened in 40 years? Not one US male has been at risk of dying from the draft since 1976 (assuming someone was drafted for for four years in 1972).
How do you define, “untouched power”? The ERA failed. Women have never had a significant plurality of elected positions (much less a majority) in the US.
When you can actually string a coherent thought together I might consider actually paying more than passing attention to your bleating. I’m certainly not going to spend any real effort trying to “rebut” you, because there’s nothing to rebut; nonsense can’t be rebutted. We can mock you, or ignore you.
Mocking has it’s fleeting pleasures (sort of like tolerable sex, it’s nice while it lasts, but not really memorable), so ignoring you is probably the best course of action.
But, if you want to keep buzzing about the place, someone is probably going to decide to swat you.
Ami: Yeah, that lasted quite awhile. I was actually living near downtown Denver when they won the cup in ’01 – not only was I mad that my team hadn’t made it, I got the singular joy of listening to Avs fans riot. Loudly.
Why would I listen to A Voice For Men telling me what feminism stands for? If I want to know what Christianity stands for, I ask Christians; if I want to know what the Republican party stands for, I ask Republicans; if I want to know what Marxism stands for, I read Marx. I don’t go ask the enemies about it; the enemies will probably lie.
And if you want to know what Neo-Nazis stand for, you ask Neo-Nazis right?
And if you want to know what Focus on the Family stands for you, you ask them, not a gay rights group right?
And if you want to know what the MRM stands for you, you ask Paul Elam, not David Futrelle right?
@Amy Angelwing
I bet you think you could last a second on a football field.