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Devastating new “fly” slogan gives MRAs the edge in the war of ideas

Well, my fellow feminists, we might as well pack it in. For the forces arrayed against us have a devastating, nay brutal, new slogan.

The Counter-Feminist Agent of Change (CFAC) who calls himself Fidelbogen explained in a recent post how this “wicked new slogan” came to him. Also, what the slogan is:

This occurred to me in a flash of inspiration today. I grabbed the first scrap of paper I could find and jotted it down:

Feminism spreads lies like a fly spreads germs.

You like it? I thought you would.

So . . . spread it around, and make it part of the “buzz”!

Get it? Buzz. Like, “buzz” means “what people are excitedly talking about.” But it is also the sound that a fly makes.

See, Fidelbogen is working with TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS at once. It’s like juggling two things at once, only with your brain. No wonder some MRAs regard his as the finest mind in the Men’s Rights movement today.

Several days after The Bogen (that’s what I like to call him) came up with this masterful slogan, one artistically minded MRA took it to a whole nother level – by using the slogan in the graphic above.

As The Bogen explained in his second post about his new slogan:

Memes can take many forms, and what you see here is among the most elemental and effective of those forms.

I am posting this graphic image for anybody on the planet who wants to fly away with it and spread it around.

First with the “buzz” thing, and now “fly away with it.” LIKE FLIES DO! The man is a genius.

Hell man, you could even print it on T-shirts and coffee mugs. Certainly you can post it on your website. Best of all, you can print it on little squares of paper and leave these in all manner of places where all manner of people will happen upon them.

Oh shit. T-shirts? Mugs? Motherfucking SQUARES OF PAPER?! He’s going CROSS-PLATFORM!

This is the sort of thing that will land in people’s brains, and buzz around there, and never leave!

I explained the buzz thing already, didn’t I?

It will find its way into the general buzz of conversation, too!

Just in case you’ve forgotten. Buzz = what people are talking about. ALSO THE SOUND FLIES MAKE.

I still cannot get over how much of a genius move that whole “buzz” thing is. I don’t know how he does it.

I kindly thank St. Estephe, the blog keeper who created this. I am honored to see my words so skillfully combined with pictures, and made ten times more effective by that method.

It’s true. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to find a picture of a fly, and then to put words next to it.

How can we possibly compete with this?

I tried to come up with some slogans of my own. But the best I could do was this:

I hope you guys have some better ideas.

Try QuickMeme if you want to make a little graphic. I’ll post any especially good ones here!

EDITED TO ADD: Some more graphics that are Fidelbogenesque in their brilliance. One from Scar, one from me.

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Posted on February 5, 2012, in antifeminism, girl germs, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, kitties, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 696 Comments.

  1. I am no longer a machinist, and I’ve taken up spinning.

    Flax

    Not Dies.

  2. Oh goodness, that Spearhead link. The comments are delightful. According to Alcuin,

    “Tyranny has arrived in the guise of protecting women and children”

    If the Titanic sunk today, men would be shot and then dumped into the water. Feminism is a crime against men’s humanity.

    Naturally.

  3. Oh, now come on. Not all of the men on the Titanic would be shot. If they didn’t have enough lifeboats, they sure as hell wouldn’t have enough bullets. So some men would be bludgeoned to death.

    Facts.

    Not lies.

  4. Right… women are too stupid to just have them corralled at gunpoint and let them drown (with the added bonus of the men having all that time to know they were going to die).

    They’d waste the time to shoot them instead.

  5. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    I think I understand. Nephrite believes that women are weak, stupid, bad drivers, and c*ntbuckets (whatever that means). However, he is not a misogynist. After all, he is willing to be friends with women as long as they are misogynists, too. He is a gaslighter, he jumps around all over the place with unproven assertions, and he refuses to respond to logical counterarguments.

    If he makes some more outrageous statements, I might consider nominating him for next year’s troll of the year rather than AntZ.

  6. These guys are really obsessed with the Titanic, aren’t they? Don’t get me wrong, the Titanic is a very important part of history. The lessons that come out of the disaster are numerous. Still, it doesn’t make sense to use such a thing as an example if that example no longer applies in a specific context.

    Also, why doesn’t anyone ever go on and on about the Lusitania, or the Empress of Ireland, or the Edmond Fitzgerald?

  7. Jennn93: The Edmund Fitzgerald was RAMPANT MISANDRY. How many women died? Zero! It was only men.

    Kendra: He’s not a misogynist. All the things he said were true. It’s sad that they are, but to face the truth, and speak it aloud isn’t misandry. To face the truth, and speak it to women, esp. feminist women and the mangina’s who chase after them; in a pathetic attempt to get some tail (real men wouldn’t mess around, they’d apply some game and the women would just lie back and spread their legs, in eager anticipation of some MANLY shagging), isn’t misandry, it’s, SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER! and an act of selfless bravery.

    So brave that few are willing to do it, because of the overwhelming power the Feminist Cabal has gained in the 40 years of uncontrolled power they have exercised.

    The Kidney Stone should therefore be recognised as one of the Bravest of the Brave, like Daniel he entered the lions den and emerged triumphant.

  8. Contrary to popular belief, the Lusitania was sunk after it was emptied of women by the all-female crew of the U-20 in order that the women on board would have enough lifeboats to themselves when the U-20 sunk it.

    Bismarcks.

    Not Reichs.

  9. May I just have a quick but derailing rant here?

    Holy crap! So angry! The MP for kitchener has decided that parliament needs to debate when a human life begins? But no, he’s not looking to reopen the abortion debate here. Oh nonono….

    Can you say fishing expedition for support?

    Pillows Ire Meter just exceeded the level needed for spontaneous bra combustion…

  10. Oh gods, are they going to reopen the abortion debate in Ontario? And how easy would it be with Harper in government…oh, I’m sorry, I meant with Harper AS government. Sigh.

  11. Um I think the MP is looking to take the debate up to the federal level… However, Harper has said that hes not looking to reopen the abortion debate. My concern is that the conservatives are looking for supporters and/or an end run around the abortion debate. Similar to the crap that’s being tried in the US. If pro lifers can reframe the debate, than they may create a point of view that will edge womens agency right out of the picture.

    So, how am I going to post about this?

  12. Um I think the MP is looking to take the debate up to the federal level… However, Harper has said that heks not looking to reopen the abortion debate. My concern is that the conservatives are looking for supporters and/or an end run around the abortion debate. Similar to the crap that’s being tried in the US. If pro lifers can reframe the debate, than they may create a point of view that will edge womens agency right out of the picture.

    So, how am I going to post about this?

  13. pillowinhell: You’re in Kitchener?

  14. Pecunium. Yes I’m in kitchener. And you better believe our MP will be getting a letter from me!

  15. Along with the other party representatives in town, who might be rallied to put an end to this quickly.

  16. Re: Abortion, I had someone on Huff Post explain to me earnestly that since we can “save human beings early in the pregnancy” abortion should be outlawed and we should not consider women outranking fetuses.

    *rolls eyes*

  17. PIH:

    are you fucking kidding me? do these people really have nothing better to do than telling women what to do with their fucking bodies?

    equality has been met huh? no more need for feminism huh? the battle never ends.

  18. “However, Harper has said that hes not looking to reopen the abortion debate.’

    Feel free to call me cynical, but politicians say lots of things. I really hope for everyone’s sake that this dies off rather quickly.

  19. Conservatives are evil. Why are they always trying to force people back into the past? why can’t they accept that most women don’t want to return to a time of being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? shouldn’t they be focusing on improving the economy? creating jobs? things that would help people’s lives rather than ruin them?

  20. Because 1. that stuff is hard to do. 2. They know very well their policies stink and will do nothing to help anyone and 3. If they do the proper policies that we know do work, it means electoral defeat for pretty much all time.

  21. PFKAE. What a lot of horseshit! Technology for keeping preemies alive has improved, but I don’t think we’ve conquered the viability of the lungs just yet.

    They want to increase feminist strength they can just keep going with this…. Canadians aren’t going to like this much.

  22. A peer reviewed journal online, via open access, about how “no drop” DV policies help……MEN!

    Suck on it, Nep.

    But first, of course, go read it.

    http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/anna_aizer/main_files/research_files/love_hate_murder.pdf

  23. If the Titanic sunk today, men would be shot and then dumped into the water. Feminism is a crime against men’s humanity.

    Holdon, a cruise ship did sink today (well, a few weeks ago). We don’t have to keep this theoretical!

    Not only did the forcasted manocide fail to occur, there wasn’t even a “women and children first” evacuation. Things were indeed better for men than they were on the Titanic!

    What now?

    (Oh right… reverse gears and use opposite scenarios to somehow argue the same point. See, if men die in a shipwreck it proves women are evil for killing men, but if women die in a shipwreck it proves women are evil and they’re getting their comeuppance.)

  24. Logically thinking is not their strong suit.

    Misandry to point that out I know. But eh.

  25. OT, but here is the next hero of the manosphere : because he was suspected of killing his wife, a man lost custody of his two children. He killed them and killed himself :

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-optomistic-happy-children-grandparents/story?id=15520394#.TzBEHvnNR8F

  26. @nmmnc

    Yep. Blitzgal posted another news link about this sicko one page back. Cue claims of martyrdom and wife blaming from MRA sickos in 3…2…

    or who knows maybe they’ll agree he’s a murderous bastard because he killed his male children. If they were female, they probably wouldn’t care. Interesting at the end of the video the kids said mom was riding in the trunk of the car. Sick fuck probably killed her then killed his kids and himself to avoid any investigation.

  27. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Thank you, Ithiliana, for the link. I am tucking that article away in my bookmarks list for future reference.

    I’m also waiting for the MRM to make Josh Powell their next martyr/hero. Every time the MRA’s lionize someone like Powell, Dekraai, or Breivik, they show what they are about and what they believe in.

    I’m a bit late on this, but I also have to comment on Nephrite’s insistence that the only way for feminists to show we care about men’s issues is to get female firefighters dismissed for incompetence. Sorry, Nephrite, I am not a fire chief and it is not my job to determine who is or isn’t a good firefighter.

  28. @Pecunium except that they claim that rape conviction rapes are abnormally high…

    And they think women are believed 100% and false allegations are never caught… I think if you point out that most rapes don’t get convictions they’ll explain it of lack of evidence and then claim the feminists are trying to change the rules, but I think their logic really starts with the idea that most rape is between 2 ppl without witnesses, with evidence that can easily be consensual, therefore, “reasonable doubt” (which they don’t seem to understand) would mean that almost all accusations shouldn’t lead to convictions. The fact that there are any that do is proof that the system is “bending over backwards” for alleged victims to them.

    I think you’re giving them more credit by believingt hat they KNOW that rape convictions rarely happen and they are trying to explain it. I think that they’ve developed their conclusions from the above before they realize they need to explain why rape convictions are low. It’s sort of like a child figuring out how the world works without actually having experienced it. That’s how they work. Rape accusations must be very easy to do because in their minds, it is very easy to just point your finger and say “they did it!” and nobody can prove that they didn’t since it’s just the 2 of you. Which means if they go to jail now, it means that they were unable to prove they didn’t. Hence reverse onus. e_e

    (if any MRAs are lurking and observing, I’d be happy if you came here and settled this :3 Do you think false rape accusations are rampant because of the lack of convictions, or because more people are being convicted than should be on very little evidence?)

  29. I’ll wait until the MRAs to react to decide that they consider him their hero xD I DO expect the same sort of reaction they have to every mass murder, which is to say “we are against murder. Everybody is against murder, so obviously we are too. However, WHAT DID YOU FEMINISTS EXPECT! There are always going to be crazy men who snap from the gynocracy and we can’t control that!”

    But maybe they’ll surprise me :3

    I think we should be careful we don’t go into MRA territory where they post articles about a female abuser and declaring that feminism supports her, or imagining our response for us… they do this all the time where they manage to create some sort of feminism vs MRA issue out of something nobody’s responded to, so we should see how they actually respond first :)

  30. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Good point, Ami. I shouldn’t have speculated on how the MRA’s will react to the Powell case, if they even react at all.

  31. I think there’s a distinct difference between making a prediction based strongly on past events and not doing so. They’ll do the same they did with Breivik and the dude who killed 7 people at a salon, in all likelihood.

  32. hi Ami, i had to go to bed earlier (aargh the feminist hell of the australian time difference) and wasn’t ignoring you. I am now at work and furtively manboobzing. as Saru said yes there is high burn out rates in the job but there are strategies to mitigate against that.where would be the best place to talk about these issues, if/when you want to? PM you through your website?

  33. The manboobz has been a bit light on trolls of late.

    *tumbleweed*

  34. Yeah…good point Ami. It’s easy to think the worst of MRAs, and while there is a strong likely hood of them at least sympathizing with the guy, they also might not. Some MRAs on Reddit had enough moral decency to speak out against the whole register her fiasco after all. That’s reassuring…in a basic “I’m not a complete asshole” sort of way -_-

  35. @Ithiliana: Since a feminist found this open access, peer-reviewed article, it is by definition suspect, don’tcha know? :-) Seriously, that is an interesting article, and thanks for forwarding.

  36. As a metal-lover I feel the need to try to get the 666th comment. Just because.

  37. I think we’re in no danger of being just like the MRAs, because mocking a hate group is fundamentally different from hating a gender.

    (My backup source for all implications in that sentence is this entire blog.)

    At the same time, the “I know what they would do” game doesn’t really say anything about them. You can’t use your own hypothetical against them. There’s enough disgusting they do say, there’s no need to make up any more.

    And they may not pick this one up at all. I didn’t see it on reddit/mensrights. It may have slipped right under the MRAdar.*

    *isn’t that word awesome? It’s now my copyright, MRAs.

  38. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    At the Spearhead, some commenters did mention Josh Powell.

    Aharon said,

    “Interesting story out of Washington state.’

    It seems more sad and terrible than anything else. It is somewhat relevant here, possibly, since the man and his ex-wife divorced and she went missing December 2009. Did the divorce process push the father emotionally over the edge or was he already a bastard? Probably, we’ll never know.

    Mickey T said

    RE: Josh Powell

    I saw the story on TV. There are a lot of scumbags and people with mental problems out there, but (to me) there is something about this story that just doesn’t quite add up.

    Guess we’ll have to wait and see what else might surface on the story.

    Budnick said

    Man blows up his house with his two kids in it.

    What I don’t understand is why he didn’t take out a few judges instead of instead of his innocent children.

    If I was driven to that point I would make sure to hit some targets that actually counted.

    A whack job who shouldn’t be held up/ or excused by anyone here.

    from The Spearhead

    Their comments are awful, but not as awful as usual. I realize that’s not saying much.

  39. The Powell case is local for me, and it’s been heavily covered in the local media. I wondered about the MRA reaction as well. At least one commenter on the Tacoma News Tribune “Lights and Sirens” blog blamed the judge for pushing him over the edge within an hour or two of the explosion. I haven’t had the heart to read anymore comments, so I don’t know if it’s representative or not.

    Also, hello all! I’ve been lurking for a while now and may start posting more as time allows. I’m an atheist/skeptic and have gotten back to reading on these issues since elevator-gate. It’s been painful to see how much misogyny exists in those circles.

  40. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Darn it, I wrote a long comment with lots of quotes from the Spearhead about Josh Powell, but it must have went to wordpress purgatory. Oh well, I’ll try again but break it up.
    First, here is the source of the comments, The Spearhead

  41. Kendra, the bionic mommy

    Now, here are some of the Spearhead reactions:

    Aharon said

    “Interesting story out of Washington state.’

    It seems more sad and terrible than anything else. It is somewhat relevant here, possibly, since the man and his ex-wife divorced and she went missing December 2009. Did the divorce process push the father emotionally over the edge or was he already a bastard? Probably, we’ll never know.

    Mickey T said

    RE: Josh Powell

    I saw the story on TV. There are a lot of scumbags and people with mental problems out there, but (to me) there is something about this story that just doesn’t quite add up.

    Guess we’ll have to wait and see what else might surface on the story.

    and Budnick said,

    Man blows up his house with his two kids in it.

    What I don’t understand is why he didn’t take out a few judges instead of instead of his innocent children.

    If I was driven to that point I would make sure to hit some targets that actually counted.

    A whack job who shouldn’t be held up/ or excused by anyone here.

  42. The MRAs are pretty consistent about reaching new lows every day. There really is no bottom they will not try to dig beyond.

  43. @Bionic mommy

    they sound so “sad” and outraged by this case. Something doesn’t add up? he killed his kids for fucks sake. The last comment is disturbing as hell. You can feel the anger and hatred dripping from their comments every time an article about a woman doing something bad is posted. With this case there’s nothing but apathy. Really shows you what they’re all about, it isn’t the best interests of children that’s for sure.

    Hate group and most likely violent. That’s what the MRM is.

    Also welcome Historyguy! :)

  44. Well, at least there seems to be some limit, don’t kill your children. And I think both sides can see eye to eye on that.

  45. I don’t know, something like this can really shake people up. And it is terribly sad, this story. I dunno, these guys might write very well on how angry and bitter they are, it doesn’t mean they can do that for every emotional state.

    Is it not true that feminists decry how men are trained to suppress emotions that are not anger? They are human beings, they say enough crap to argue with , without adding to the problem by making them into demons too. But that’s just my opinion.

  46. Really? what’s the difference between how they react to this story as opposed to when a woman kills her kid? they blow a gasket, but with this case its all “oh how sad…we don’t REALLY know what happened” where is the outrage? why do they wait for more info on this case but if it were a woman they would tear her apart. I thought they were all about the well being of kids? or is it that they only pretend to care when it’s a mother doing something evil.

    I’m not going to offer even a shred of sympathy. In my eyes, many of them are demons. They are hateful, misogynistic assholes. Day in and day out I read the horrible shit they say about women and feminists. They’ve advocated violence. They advocate letting rapists go even with evidence without any thought to what they are doing to the victim. To them we are lower than demons. So pardon me if I don’t feel like seeing the humanity in them, especially in this instance.

  47. Thing is, many MRAs, not just the ones who make it to being quoted on manboobz, post about killing people, raping people and torturing people.

    I am not inclined to give those guys the benefit of any doubt.

  48. Quacker and Bostonian, you both have valid points. Would I spend so much as five minutes alone with these guys? HELL NO!

    I don’t doubt what they’d have to say about a woman who murdered her children, and I went to that thread and read a long list of rape and slavery jokes….only two people had anything to say about the children at all. I agree with you assessment about how much impact those deaths had, the superbowl was more important. The first time I went to the link, I thought I had been misdirected…it was all about the superbowl. So, my bad.

    I guess I’m just leary of letting them get me really angry. I was in a relationship where my partner would manipulate my emotions. I’ll get angry with issues but I’m hesitant to get anything more than annoyed with people. These guys manipulate through fear, condescension and getting us pissed. It gives them a sense of control. The things they say are really despicable.

    Oh I don’t know. I’m tired, which tends to make me more philosophical and I really don’t think you want pillow in hells Life Philosophy.

  49. Why not respond with cold contempt? That’s always been my response to MRAs. They are indeed attempting to manipulate through fear and anger, but there are responses other than “rage, “sadness”, and “don’t care” available.

  50. Indeed CassandraSays. They are not worthy of much else really.

  51. Cold contempt, mockery, and laughter. A lot of their rhetoric (especially the MGTOW stuff) is predicated on the idea that we care what they think, and that someone out there thinks they’re not all talk and no action. They think their words are powerful. They are wrong.

  52. That’s why this blog pisses so many MRAs off so much. Anger they can feed off, but mockery and contempt? That stings if what you desperately want is for people to take you seriously.

  53. Well especially when you cannot even scrape up 5 guys for a protest 3 months in the future…

  54. Why not contempt?

    My family background..well let’s just say that my mother was the first woman in several generations to not be married to men who did act the way these guys write. Including torture, rape and preying on the children. My family has suffered enormously as a result. My mother fixed as much as she could, and my fathers story isn’t much better. He also fixed what he could. I was lucky to have two parents who are still madly in love and have never spoken so much as one unkind word to each other. Contempt, in my eyes is ice cold hatred. Why would I want to carry such a thing? I watched my family struggle to move on in life, something that couldn’t happen until that contempt was finally let go of. I don’t respect the MRA. The contempt they hold for women does enormous damage to everyone. I pity them. They are filled with fear and a sense of inadequacy, and it drives them mercilessly. Either that, or they have no soul and thus no way to really ever connect, or to stop their pain.

  55. They do say that laughter is the best medicine.

    Laughter is to the soul what soap is to the body.

  56. Sorry, you guys, but it had to be done…

  57. MRAs are the adult personification of the truculant school pupil who refuses to do something ot help himself to spite someone else. They are the angry kids with problems at home who think everyone is out to get them when nobody notices them.

    They shout and shout and shout but no-ones and no-one cares.

    Their most eloquent leader is a laughing stock, a crude, ineffective writer who commands an army of a dozen or so and thinks the gender war will be won when he gets into the top 100,000 most popular websites in the world.

    He’s setting his sites how! He bragged (incorrectly) about how AVfM has got more “hits” than Feministing.

    Still, as we all know, Daily Mail readers upvoted some comments, so the gender war is won.

    Antz for President (North Mississipi Ward)…

  58. Happy, I’m all for mocking the MRAs, but the part about the kids with problems at home seems a bit insensitive. Especially because troubled kids should receive help.

    But then again, maybe I’m the one being oversensitive.

  59. @ Kyrie

    If helping MRAs results in them becoming decent human beings, I’m happy to do that.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I think the MRM, like substance misuse, is something that people gravitate to at various points in their lives when they are vulnerable/unhappy/easily led. Most seem to burn out relatively quickly and move on. Some thrive in the anger, bitterness and hostility – they’re beyond help and should be ignored. The rest… They enjoy the negative attention, solidarity and “purpose” that belonging to a tiny community of bloggers give them. That’s why they amuse me so much. But the amusement is tempered with equal parts empathy and wariness.

    Most of them are sad, scared, weak and pathetic. The only time they can face women is angrily on an anonymous blog.

    Whilst on this topic, has anyone ever noticed the hilarious “good MRA, bad MRA” act that Elam and his sycophantic sidekick … JtO engage in? It’s so funny, JtO is clearly after Elam’s title as Chief MRA and tries to out-anger him at any turn. I’ve started to enjoy JtO’s bloated, pseudo-scientific ramblings more than Elam’s. His latest distribe states that any man who spends any time alone with a woman tacitly consents to be falsely accused of rape. This truly incredible piece of MRA academic wizardry kinda flies in the face of another MRA finding – that any juror should acquit a rapist.

    So on the one hand, if you spend time with a woman alone, any time, ever, you are consenting to be falsely accused. But by the same token, if you believe that a man raped another human being, you should do all you can to acquit them.

    Um… OK?

  60. Happy: but I didn’t say MRAs where children. And after the MRAL debacle…

  61. @ Kyrie

    I know you didn’t, I was just drawing parrallels :)

    Like children they are egocentric, illogical and overly emotional.

    MRAL is a textbook case. He lapses all the time, from young-man-with-issues into typical MRA. People, rightly, give him a hard time, and I’m not going to try and drum up sympathy – I’m just saying why the MRM doesn’t remotely concern me.

    It is, in essence, just a large group of people like MRAL – insignificant, nervous loners who like to think of themselves as being part of something, rather than the disparate group of bloggers that they are.

    Some of them will go on to be abusive personalities, but then some of them would anyway.

    The MGTOWers are the most amusing, in my opinion. They “go their own way” but need to constantly tell everyone who they have and look for reaction. None is forthcoming…

  62. Hey, I think children can be rather lovely. Stop insulting them by comparing them to mra slime.

  63. Now now, Darksidecat, MRAs can be lovely too.

    Remember when MRAL accepted and recognised that he was just a sad, damaged individual who sought attention? He personified the MRM and I thought it was touching.

    Unforunate that he chose the MRA path, but hey ho, it could have been lovely.

  64. Actually, when MRAL made his big confession, he said that he always knew the MRM were clowns. And even after, in all his anger (how dare you find this hollywood star not sexy! Evil wymin, bitch!”) and borderline abusive behavior he didn’t came back on that.

  65. Worst meme ever…I forgot it by the end of the blog. All I could remember was the fly, not the slogan.

    PS. Child-proofing the world is a cause of tyranny…but the bigger cause is idiot-proofing the world.

  66. “Feminism spreads lies like flies spread germs”

    Wow! Faced with such imagination and word power I can only abandon being an author, poet, and editor.

    M
    __________
    Marie Marshall
    author/poet/editor
    Scotland

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