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When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.

I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.

When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!

His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.

In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.

Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:

Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.

It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.

In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.

If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)

It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:

Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.

In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:

[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.

Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.

It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.

Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:

[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!

So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.

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Scar
Scar
8 years ago

The bell curve for male and female intelligence has exactly the same median.
The male bell curve is larger though, which means that the highest achievable intelligence and the LOWEST achievable intelligence will probably be scored by men.

ozymandias42
ozymandias42
8 years ago

Even better: hey, Nephrite, guess my gender and IQ score.* 🙂

*I am assuming here you consider IQ to be an empirically valid measure of intelligence; I don’t. If you do not, feel free to substitute any measure of intelligence you feel to be empirically valid; if you don’t find any to be empirically valid, that might be the first intelligent thing you’ve said all night.

Jenn93
Jenn93
8 years ago

“So, if we put girls in pants, they’re going to be stronger than men as adults?”

Missing the point is kind of a sport for you, isn’t it?

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

Men’s current overall dominance of some dangerous and utterly too low-status work is actually anomalous, and vastly overstated by most people who make the argument that men dominate it (Because hello sex work).

Nobody digs ditches for fun. People have sex for fun.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

@kirby: “Iwas gonna ask Nephrite earlier, but I’m wondering whether he is in fact another one of Elam’s incarnations… Sadly I couldn’t quite remember the name.”
I don’t think it’s Elam. Nephrite hasn’t called us “dipshit” or made violent threats. But the “We should acquite all rapists regardless of whether or not they’re guilty!” is one of Elam’s most infamous statements and I haven’t heard it elsewhere. So I’m pretty sure Nephrite is a member of the site

Quackers:

“I agree with some of her positions, her others are just stupid as hell and at the same level of paranoid misogyny of the MRM.”

She occasionally makes a valid point. Occasionally. However, as with other MRAs, those occasional valid points come up only rarely, after a flood of misogynistic rhetoric. Sometimes the misogynistic rhetoric is inserted haphazardly into an otherwise decent article, as W.F. Price is wont to do.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

*I am assuming here you consider IQ to be an empirically valid measure of intelligence

You’re assuming incorrectly.

What’s that old saying? Something about being an ass?

captainbathrobe
8 years ago

Perhaps if the men stopped fighting, life would be better for everyone.

But I’ve actually been to Africa, and I saw an awful lot of men sitting around drinking beer while the women did all the work. Admittedly, it’s not entirely the men’s fault, as unemployment is quite high in most of the continent, but the women I saw seemed to always be working, be it at home or out of it.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

And Nephrite opens another big can of worms with the sex work talk.

Man, this guy is just nailing each and every contentious topic with startling precision, like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition. (Thank you Tim Minchin)

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Nephrite:

Please to be posting a video of you using the leg press and doing complex math equations….or else I’ll be forced to believe you aren’t a man 😀

ozymandias42
ozymandias42
8 years ago

Nephrite, let me explain this simply to you.

Stuff is influenced by both BIOLOGY and SOCIETY. (Oversimplifying massively of course.) Before we can consider whether men and women are BIOLOGICALLY different, we must consider whether they’re societally different. This has been observed to be fact and, in fact, the differences tend to lead to weaker women and stronger men. Therefore, while men and women no doubt have some differences in upper-body strength, these are not necessarily as large as initial observations would lead us to believe. Capiche?

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=23938705

Originally Posted by ComrieFanatic View Post
Absolutely. Team Canada lost to a AAA minor-midget team during their training. I know my high school team was composed of mainly AA and AAA players so I’m sure a Minnesota team would win. 16-17 year-old boys are just stronger, bigger and faster than women and have much harder shots.

Molly Ren
8 years ago

MRAs believe that people should be treated based on REALITY, like acknowledging that people who are less intelligent, less tall, less strong, should not be treated and hired over people who are more qualified. That HAPPENS to be women (blame genetics, but oh wait, you don’t believe in genetics)

Damn. My housemate made an argument that leaned this way a couple weeks ago, but I didn’t pursue it because it would have involved getting him to understand that his reasoning lead straight to women = inferior. I might have to show him this later…

There’s also this other assumption that people seem to make, that “inferior” means “we can dump shit on them and get away with it!” rather than “You can naturally do this, and I can naturally do that, so we’ll agree to at least be neutral to each other”. Even if all these differences are actually true as *averages*, it doesn’t excuse being total dicks to people who fall on the extreme end of the scale just because you’ve never seen anyone like them before. Nephrite seems to be incapable of saying, “Ya know, that woman firefighter might just be stronger than average” and skips right to “OMG GET THE VAGINA OUT OF THE FIREHOUSE SHE’LL KILL US ALL!”

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Asshat: You have achieved stratospheric levels of stupidity and Missing the Fucking Point. I’m impressed, that takes some dedication.

ozymandias42
ozymandias42
8 years ago

Sex work is the single job MOST likely to lead to death. Just saying.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

@ozyman

Are you claiming that olympic women’s hockey teams do not train as hard as men? That they aren’t trained to physical perfection? Or that playing with dolls as kids destroyed their upper body strength as adults?

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Is this that Eoghan yahoo?

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

Sex work is the single job MOST likely to lead to death. Just saying.

So stop being greedy and don’t do it.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@Nephrite,

How about stopping your trip down this dead end of yours and going back to my question I asked of you earlier? Unless you want to making it gut-wrenchingly obvious that you’re just in it for the trolls…

captainbathrobe
8 years ago

Do you even fucking care about men at all?

Hee hee! Do any of you want to tell him, our should I?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@hellkell:

Eoghan… Dammit, that was the name. cripes

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

How about stopping your trip down this dead end of yours and going back to my question I asked of you earlier? Unless you want to making it gut-wrenchingly obvious that you’re just in it for the trolls…

I’d love to. Tell your peanut gallery to stop derailing, and I’ll gladly talk with you.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Go for it, Captain Bathrobe.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

@bathrob

I know you’re male. Roissy is male too. It doesn’t make him any less a traitor.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Scar

funny how they always cite the highest achieved intelligence to further their claims of superiority, but not the lowest eh?

denial is so smart!

@Crumb

MRA screeds can be summed up like this most of the time:

“@*&!*@&!CUNTSSLUTSHYPERGAMY**&##&^@!LYINGMISANDRISTFUCKS@&#^^#^&#&@**@!…….also the sky is sometimes blue and 2+2=4”

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Hee, we’re derailing?

We haven’t had a troll this fun since No Marriage.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@Nephrite:

The internet doesn’t work like that, honey. Text doesn’t drown out your typing. Be a big boy and stop procrastinating. (Was that condescending enough?)

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Nobody digs ditches for fun. People have sex for fun.

Yeah, ignore the threats of violence and the STDs, and the fact that a dude paying for a fuck probably isn’t going to take the remote effort to ensure that fuck is good for you (Understandably, in context), the human trafficking, the threat of law enforcement seizing you for working, the low pay and low hours, and just say another stupid thing.

My understanding is that most of the food in Africa is grown by women.

Because men are too busy fighting and DYING to protect them so they can grow that food.

That *does* actually happen in Africa, as does men raiding and pillaging other villages, and a number of other reasons why it’s the women doing the farming. Frankly, I’m not going to tell someone who I’m pretty sure is a racist fuck the other big thing that means african women are growing the food.

Scar
Scar
8 years ago

So stop being greedy and don’t do it.

But if women are crap at everything else (as you claim) what else can they do?

P.S. If sex work is so much fun, why aren’t you doing it?

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

So stop being greedy and don’t do it.

‘kay, if wanting to eat is greedy, you can go ahead and stop working dangerous and low status work too.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Canada_women%27s_national_ice_hockey_team

Melody Davidson revealed after the gold medal game that the team left the Olympic Village for two exhibition games against the Vancouver Northwest Giants boys AAA midget team during the Olympics. The first game was held the night before the opening ceremonies. The final game was on February 19.[6]

Women vs boys for training.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@hellkell:

Damn I’ve missed a lot in my absence. Ah well, no time like the present to make up for lost time. 🙂

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

‘kay, if wanting to eat is greedy, you can go ahead and stop working dangerous and low status work too.

Please, if you’re a woman you don’t know what it means to starve. Pussy Pass anybody?

Molly Ren
8 years ago

I know you’re male. Roissy is male too. It doesn’t make him any less a traitor.

Roissy is a traitor? To who? What’d he do?

*gets popcorn*

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Nephy

Have you dug that ditch for me yet? or posted that video of you on the leg press while doing complex math?

you’re a man…it comes naturally after all so hop to it!

captainbathrobe
8 years ago

bathrob

I know you’re male. Roissy is male too. It doesn’t make him any less a traitor.

See, now I’m genuinely offended. You compared me to Roissy. Sir, I demand satisfaction!

(throws down gauntlet)

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

@Molly

Read back.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
8 years ago

@Nephy

Have you dug that ditch for me yet? or posted that video of you on the leg press while doing complex math?

you’re a man…it comes naturally after all so hop to it!

Entitled woman much?

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Oh, and MRAL, African fighting has got plenty of woman soldiers, as well as girls in the child soldiers. They’re actually, factually forced into the armies, same as men. I know you got your view of the rest of the world from movies like Iron Man, but the fact is that women are also in that group of folks dragged off by a warlord to fight. It sucks to live in Africa. It also does not work like you think it does.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Kirby–you have missed some things, but it’s good to see you!

Bostonian
8 years ago

You see, Molly, Roissy is a super seekrit feminist! Who is against women voting, like all seekrit feminists…

Jenn93
Jenn93
8 years ago

“Please, if you’re a woman you don’t know what it means to starve. Pussy Pass anybody?”

60 percent of the world’s hungry are women according to this link.

http://www.thp.org/learn_more/issues/know_your_world_facts_about_hunger_and_poverty?gclid=CPiFxoSug64CFUSo4Aod9VTy2w

Scar
Scar
8 years ago

I like how he doesn’t address any of the points that, well, point out he’s wrong.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

[quote]Please, if you’re a woman you don’t know what it means to starve. Pussy Pass anybody?[/quote]
No. Nobody has one. That is one of the many idiotic myths your stupid-ass movement invented, MRAL, and that you bought into because despite your cushy life being handed your tuition for Brown by your mom, you’re mad at the rest of the world. Fuck off and die.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

One of the members of the women’s Olympic hockey team must have turned Nephy down for a date or something.

Anyone want some tea with their popcorn? I just made a fresh pot.

Molly Ren
8 years ago

Please, if you’re a woman you don’t know what it means to starve. Pussy Pass anybody?

The whole year I was unemployed, I never had to use food stamps. I just sat on the curb and cried, and men pelted me with sandwiches!

For the past four years, I’ve never had to date, travel, or dress nice to attract sex partners. I simply pick up the phone and a fresh, virgin hipster boy is delivered directly to my door!

I’ve also never, ever been turned down for sex because I was fat, too clingy, or “just not my type”.

/sarcasm

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Asshat: I don’t know what it means to starve? Gee, that summer where we were lucky to get one meal a day must have been a hallucination! Thanks ever so much, it’s good to know that I just made up what it feels like to be hypoglycemic and not eat. That’s a load off my mind!

captainbathrobe
8 years ago

Choose your weapon, Nephrite, or be called a coward! My seconds will call on your seconds.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@Nephrite:

Still procrastinating, eh?

(Interesting side note, though not particularly relevant. The citation on the wiki excerpt Nephrite posted does not support the sentence that cites it… 😛 No mention of a game against an AAA boys team.)

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Rutee, don’t bother explaining Africa to this simpleton. If it’s not white, cis, and straight, it doesn’t exist to these fools.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Nephrite is MRAL?

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