When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.
I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.
When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
Posted on February 3, 2012, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, creepy, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, PUA, reactionary bullshit, sex, sluts. Bookmark the permalink. 637 Comments.
Yes we shall! :D
Sadly my blonde has faded a lot :( I haven’t been able to dye it due to lack of funds and now I feel less powerful and awesome :(
“Is that a threat? We’ve been digging all the ditches and making all of the buildings since civilization began.”
I think you are thinking of slaves and poor people, and that included women.
I am trying to find some kind of actual, global height average that could settle this, but it’s all broken down by *country* so far… grrr…
@Nephrite:
For one thing, go back and read Ami’s actual quote; the one where she says that MRAs think that men and women have completely separate genetics, when in reality they don’t. Then look at your criticism that she doesn’t understand genetics because she claims that women and men are genetically identical. Then sit back and contemplate how all of this could have been avoided if you could just read properly.
I’ll be waiting. :)
Asshat: No, I’m not arguing anything. I’m asking you to tell me what your argument actually is, and back your claim up.
Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick, I feel like I’ve been around this track before…
ok…so go dig your ditch you big strong tall man you! no one’s stopping you and you made it clear that you think women are too weak to do laborious menz work….so stop complaining :D
Are you honestly claiming you’ve never seen any male construction workers? How many female ditch diggers do you think there are? if they all went on strike do you think we’d notice? Do you think nobody would replace them? Are you honestly that out of touch with fucking reality!?
Maybe the MRM has now generated its own artificial being on the internet. It’s a being of pure illogical rage, like an elemental but with 0s and 1s.
I was warned you geniuses would have logic problems, but I never expected this. You’re actually claiming that most of the hard labor in society is done by women and that women and men are equally distributed in height?
“If feminists cared about equal treatment they would be outside courthouses lobbying that every accused rapist gets released until the law is changed, because they should get the same belief accorded to accusers, which is that people believe them 100%. But no, I haven’t seen any feminists say that. Women are believed, men aren’t. Equal treatment?”
I can tell that you’re one of Elam’s goons, so I don’t expect this information to go through to you, but—no, women who are raped often aren’t believed. They might be believed by a group of feminists who happen to hear about the case online or from far way, but they often often aren’t believed by their friends, their family, the police, or the jury that ultimately lets their rapist go. I would say that the in fact, the men are usually believed and the women are called liars. You MRAs are living in an alternate reality. And I think it’s cute, in a pathetic way, that you MRAs think the idea of saying “Most women lie about rape” is some bold or uneheard of statement.
Also you don’t understand how the law works, I see.
LEGALLY, there is a presumption of innocence. Therefore, legally, it is correct to only convict someone if it has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt they committed the crime.
Socially, there is not necessarily a presumption of innocence! Because society is not the law! And given the low rate of false accusations and the high rate of unreported rapes, and the damage that not being believed can cause a survivor of rape (some people call it being “revictimized”), it is wisest to believe and support the survivor.
I do have a friend who, I believe, was falsely accused of rape. (He was never charged with anything.) Why do I believe this accusation is false? Because in every interaction I’ve had with him, he has had the utmost concern for consent, boundaries, respect, and general non-abusive non-rapey behavior, and because he is a feminist who does not believe that because of his false accusation we ought to automatically not believe people.
Also, lol, rape survivors are not always believed. It’s really common to see someone say, oh, “I was drunk and I said no to sex” and then have someone else say “well, getting drunk and having sex isn’t rape” or “well, now you know to be more careful next time” or “it was a misunderstanding” or “do you really want to ruin his life over that?”
@Nephrite:
You’re response to someone else before was “How many [unqualified female workers] have you fired?” Turnabouts fair play, so riddle me this; How many ditches have you dug?
Men.
OH GOD FEMINISM IS A LIE
*SPLODES*
@Nephrite (moving so fast I can barely keep up with your crap):
“I was warned you geniuses would have logic problems, but I never expected this. You’re actually claiming that most of the hard labor in society is done by women and that women and men are equally distributed in height?”
The only person who’s claimed these two things is you. yeah…
“I think you are thinking of slaves and poor people, and that included women.”
Ancient Egyptian woman – “Go build me a pyramid! I’m out of bonbons and I’m bored.”
Ancient Egyptian man – “But sweetie, we have people for that.”
I made a bunch of typos in rushing to make my point, but I think overall the message is there.
THAT’S IT!! CleverBot has gained sentience (of a sort) and joined the MRM!
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No, I’ve gotten more nuanced and logical arguments out of CleverBot. Maybe an earlier version?
In the first world or the third world?
“That means that we don’t pretend somebody who is 5’4″ can reach the same shelves as somebody who is 6’4″”
Asshat, those were your words. Too bad you forgot about how much tools and technology can compensate for eh? Ladders have been around for millenia.. But I guess you forgot that?
For one thing, go back and read Ami’s actual quote; the one where she says that MRAs think that men and women have completely separate genetics, when in reality they don’t.
I’m assuming Kirby is male because 1) he doesn’t write like an emotional child and 2) Amy’s pussy gushed open when he spoke.
And yes, I did read it. If men and women don’t have separate genetics, just how are we physically different? Why are men and women’s heights not equally distributed?
Not really, no.
@Crumbelievable:
I was gonna ask Nephrite earlier, but I’m wondering whether he is in fact another one of Elam’s incarnations… Sadly I couldn’t quite remember the name.
@Crumbelievable
I agree with some of her positions, her others are just stupid as hell and at the same level of paranoid misogyny of the MRM.
I gave feminist critics a chance because they at least admit that feminism was necessary and right about some things and they didn’t act all paranoid and misogynist. But then the hypocrisy with the Lady Raine/Roissy thing and now this…yeah. Fuck em.
“I was warned you geniuses would have logic problems, but I never expected this. You’re actually claiming that most of the hard labor in society is done by women and that women and men are equally distributed in height?”
Except nobody actually said that.
My understanding is that most of the food in Africa is grown by women.
Ami. AMI.
Look, honeybuns, we went over this. They don’t have separate genetics; most of their genetics is the same. But some people get a special extra thing called a “Y chromosome” that usually gives them traits we consider male.
(I don’t even want to explain gender identity to this asshole.)
Asshat, those were your words. Too bad you forgot about how much tools and technology can compensate for eh? Ladders have been around for millenia.. But I guess you forgot that?
I mentioned tools. Can you not read? MRAs acknowledge that short people need ladders. Feminists don’t.
Analogies. What the fuck are they?
MRAs believe that people should be treated based on REALITY, like acknowledging that people who are less intelligent, less tall, less strong, should not be treated and hired over people who are more qualified. That HAPPENS to be women (blame genetics, but oh wait, you don’t believe in genetics) Feminists want women to be hired in equal numbers regardless of physical differences.
Yeah! Just like them blacks! If they ain’t different to us, how comes they is black?
*Spits at spittoon and strums banjo*
Women are less intelligent than men? Citation motherfucking needed.
@Nephrite:
O_O
oookay then… Troll’s gonna troll I guess.
If we don’t have completely separate genetics, it means we could still have partially separate genetics. In other words, sex chromosomes. Are we done with the science lesson now?
My understanding is that most of the food in Africa is grown by women.
Because men are too busy fighting and DYING to protect them so they can grow that food.
Do you even fucking care about men at all?
That’s right! I call on you to defend things none of you ever actually said, or else I win! Forever!
Um…wat? I never said that.
Get back outside and dig a ditch! you is stronger than me!
“That HAPPENS to be women”
Citation seriously fucking needed.
Women are less intelligent than men? Citation motherfucking needed.
I’m citing this whole “motherfucking” thread.
Does this guy even know what he’s arguing about?
Oh, I get it! He’s one of those psychologically abusive assholes who change the goal posts and gaslight as a distraction from their own wrong thinking and stupidity.
Reminds me of my ex, really.
I’m guessing this guy’s favourite food is Oreos. xD Other non-black and white cookies would be too anger mongering for him.
You are citing this thread as evidence that MRAs are less intelligent than people in general? I can agree with that, after reading your silly assertions and inane drivel.
@Neph
LOLOLOL
You’d think they could do something about that pesky rape issue down there too. Why aren’t the men protecting them from that?
I like this troll. He’s lulzy.
Also, honey, riddle me this.
Let’s say we put a randomly selected half of society in dresses and encourage them to play quietly inside and, when they are older, tie their worth to being “attractive” and mostly unmuscled. Let’s say we put a randomly selected other half of society in pants and encourage them to run around outside screaming and climbing trees and, when they are older, tie their worth to their skill at sports.
Which group is likely to be stronger?
“I’m citing this whole “motherfucking” thread.”
The one where you completely misread everything and threw strawfeminists and red herrings everywhere?
“Reminds me of my ex, really.”
Unfortunately, me too.
Does this guy even know what he’s arguing about?
Oh, I get it! He’s one of those psychologically abusive assholes who change the goal posts and gaslight as a distraction from their own wrong thinking and stupidity.
Reminds me of my ex, really.
http://traitorsofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/are-you-kids-ready-to-take-trip-to.html
False accusations. How nice.
I thought you feminists were against that? Now I’m an abuser?
The one where you completely misread everything and threw strawfeminists and red herrings everywhere?
Where?
@Nephrite:
“MRAs believe that people should be treated based on REALITY, like acknowledging that people who are less intelligent, less tall, less strong, should not be treated and hired over people who are more qualified. That HAPPENS to be women (blame genetics, but oh wait, you don’t believe in genetics) Feminists want women to be hired in equal numbers regardless of physical differences.”
Boom, we can settle all of this now. If MRAs believe that people should be treated based on REALITY, then they must believe that every person, whatever gender, should be treated fairly on an individual basis. That’s what feminists actually think should be the case.
But no, MRAs believe that since Females as an average are different in some ways then Males, then all men should be given preference over all women. See the difference?
How about this then. Sam, Harry, Lucy, and Delilah are being interviewed to be fire fighters. Who should be hired? (This is a question for you, btw.)
Hey, Nephrite, guess my gender.
Also, honey, riddle me this.
Let’s say we put a randomly selected half of society in dresses and encourage them to play quietly inside and, when they are older, tie their worth to being “attractive” and mostly unmuscled. Let’s say we put a randomly selected other half of society in pants and encourage them to run around outside screaming and climbing trees and, when they are older, tie their worth to their skill at sports.
Which group is likely to be stronger?
So, if we put girls in pants, they’re going to be stronger than men as adults?
Historically, hard labor goes to women too. The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire was unique in its scale, but it’s not like it’s the only factory accident to hit women or children as well as men. Only rich women ever had the potential to be idle, and most of them still engaged in pretty significant household management (much like most rich men, but without the prestige or credit for efforts taken, in most societies)
Men’s current overall dominance of some dangerous and utterly too low-status work is actually anomalous, and vastly overstated by most people who make the argument that men dominate it (Because hello sex work).
Women just didn’t historically get rights for their efforts alongside men, in most societies.
No, now you are even stupider than I originally thought. You think no one notices what you wrote less than half an hour ago.
“Where?”
Everywhere.
The Olympic women’s hockey teams play against junior boys to train for the Olympics, and they struggle against 16 year old boys. Unless you’re going to claim that female athletes are feminized too?
The bell curve for male and female intelligence has exactly the same median.
The male bell curve is larger though, which means that the highest achievable intelligence and the LOWEST achievable intelligence will probably be scored by men.
Even better: hey, Nephrite, guess my gender and IQ score.* :)
*I am assuming here you consider IQ to be an empirically valid measure of intelligence; I don’t. If you do not, feel free to substitute any measure of intelligence you feel to be empirically valid; if you don’t find any to be empirically valid, that might be the first intelligent thing you’ve said all night.
“So, if we put girls in pants, they’re going to be stronger than men as adults?”
Missing the point is kind of a sport for you, isn’t it?
Men’s current overall dominance of some dangerous and utterly too low-status work is actually anomalous, and vastly overstated by most people who make the argument that men dominate it (Because hello sex work).
Nobody digs ditches for fun. People have sex for fun.
@kirby: “Iwas gonna ask Nephrite earlier, but I’m wondering whether he is in fact another one of Elam’s incarnations… Sadly I couldn’t quite remember the name.”
I don’t think it’s Elam. Nephrite hasn’t called us “dipshit” or made violent threats. But the “We should acquite all rapists regardless of whether or not they’re guilty!” is one of Elam’s most infamous statements and I haven’t heard it elsewhere. So I’m pretty sure Nephrite is a member of the site
Quackers:
“I agree with some of her positions, her others are just stupid as hell and at the same level of paranoid misogyny of the MRM.”
She occasionally makes a valid point. Occasionally. However, as with other MRAs, those occasional valid points come up only rarely, after a flood of misogynistic rhetoric. Sometimes the misogynistic rhetoric is inserted haphazardly into an otherwise decent article, as W.F. Price is wont to do.
*I am assuming here you consider IQ to be an empirically valid measure of intelligence
You’re assuming incorrectly.
What’s that old saying? Something about being an ass?
Perhaps if the men stopped fighting, life would be better for everyone.
But I’ve actually been to Africa, and I saw an awful lot of men sitting around drinking beer while the women did all the work. Admittedly, it’s not entirely the men’s fault, as unemployment is quite high in most of the continent, but the women I saw seemed to always be working, be it at home or out of it.
And Nephrite opens another big can of worms with the sex work talk.
Man, this guy is just nailing each and every contentious topic with startling precision, like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition. (Thank you Tim Minchin)
Nephrite:
Please to be posting a video of you using the leg press and doing complex math equations….or else I’ll be forced to believe you aren’t a man :D
Nephrite, let me explain this simply to you.
Stuff is influenced by both BIOLOGY and SOCIETY. (Oversimplifying massively of course.) Before we can consider whether men and women are BIOLOGICALLY different, we must consider whether they’re societally different. This has been observed to be fact and, in fact, the differences tend to lead to weaker women and stronger men. Therefore, while men and women no doubt have some differences in upper-body strength, these are not necessarily as large as initial observations would lead us to believe. Capiche?
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=23938705
Originally Posted by ComrieFanatic View Post
Absolutely. Team Canada lost to a AAA minor-midget team during their training. I know my high school team was composed of mainly AA and AAA players so I’m sure a Minnesota team would win. 16-17 year-old boys are just stronger, bigger and faster than women and have much harder shots.
Damn. My housemate made an argument that leaned this way a couple weeks ago, but I didn’t pursue it because it would have involved getting him to understand that his reasoning lead straight to women = inferior. I might have to show him this later…
There’s also this other assumption that people seem to make, that “inferior” means “we can dump shit on them and get away with it!” rather than “You can naturally do this, and I can naturally do that, so we’ll agree to at least be neutral to each other”. Even if all these differences are actually true as *averages*, it doesn’t excuse being total dicks to people who fall on the extreme end of the scale just because you’ve never seen anyone like them before. Nephrite seems to be incapable of saying, “Ya know, that woman firefighter might just be stronger than average” and skips right to “OMG GET THE VAGINA OUT OF THE FIREHOUSE SHE’LL KILL US ALL!”
Asshat: You have achieved stratospheric levels of stupidity and Missing the Fucking Point. I’m impressed, that takes some dedication.
Sex work is the single job MOST likely to lead to death. Just saying.
@ozyman
Are you claiming that olympic women’s hockey teams do not train as hard as men? That they aren’t trained to physical perfection? Or that playing with dolls as kids destroyed their upper body strength as adults?
Is this that Eoghan yahoo?
Sex work is the single job MOST likely to lead to death. Just saying.
So stop being greedy and don’t do it.
@Nephrite,
How about stopping your trip down this dead end of yours and going back to my question I asked of you earlier? Unless you want to making it gut-wrenchingly obvious that you’re just in it for the trolls…
Do you even fucking care about men at all?
Hee hee! Do any of you want to tell him, our should I?
@hellkell:
Eoghan… Dammit, that was the name. cripes