When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.
I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.
When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
Posted on February 3, 2012, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, creepy, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, PUA, reactionary bullshit, sex, sluts. Bookmark the permalink. 637 Comments.
I’m going to ignore the height thing because I get it, men and women are genetically the same. You’re, of course, absolutely right as always my Queen. There’s exactly the same chance of men and women being the same heights, of having a penis or a vagina, of having breasts, of being intelligent. You’re all so right. Let’s pretend statistics doesn’t exist, or that men aren’t taller than women. One person claims to be 6 feet tall, that means there’s the same distribution of men and women at all heights.
Right.
Are we done pretending that you haven’t lost the genetic argument yet?
Can we move on to the lies that Mantard Futrelle is telling about the MRM and that we’re anywhere similar to the PUAs?
Or do you want to continue blathering on about some stupid girl show and pretending that I’m saying something I’m not?
Asshat: You’re not actually gonna provide any backup for your claim that ALL MEN are taller than ALL WOMEN
Where did I say that?
I think that Nephrite Yeqon is AlekNovy or one of his supporters. He talks like an MGTOW.
I did read the link. It was about a short women firefighter who was struggling. If the story is true, then she wasn’t fit to be a firefighter and she should be forced to meet the physical requirements or be fired.
Are you going to lobby that she be fired? Where are the protests outside fire houses by feminists to fire inadequate women?
You can claim whatever you like. Actions speak louder than words.
That link from AVfM was about as believable as a Daily Fail story. I’m sooooo sure that one of their resident misogynist women just happened to see all of this. Of course.
MRAL, is that you?
@niceguy
Is there anybody you don’t suspect I am? Is feminism that backed into a corner you now have to claim your enemies aren’t legion?
He wants us to take him seriously again, which we weren’t doing to his non sock puppet.
You’re as terrible at this as you are at everything else you do, MRAL.
“Where did I say that?”
You said that when you refused to acknowledge that some women are taller then men. You also called people on this site liars when they claimed to be 6 foot tall.
Nah, Alek has a quite distinctive writing style, and no sense of shame about his association with unsavory people. I don’t think this is him.
Even if it’s not MRAL, the suck is strong with this one.
Wait… hold up… Feminism’s enemies are legion? All 100 of them? Damn…
That link from AVfM was about as believable as a Daily Fail story. I’m sooooo sure that one of their resident misogynist women just happened to see all of this. Of course.
http://traitorsofmen.blogspot.com/2012/01/manboobz-minions-caught-attacking-male.html
Surprise surprise, just like you did with another MRA here, your response to being unable to refute something is to call them a liar. Is there anybody you don’t hate?
You said that when you refused to acknowledge that some women are taller then men. You also called people on this site liars when they claimed to be 6 foot tall.
Where did I refuse to acknowledge? Point me to specifically where I said no woman could be taller than any man.
Brazil is run by feminists and that why the men appear shorter in the stats AND real life?
FUNNIEST THING READ TODAY!
*next to Scars cartoon
Tell me? Can you hear mt derisive laughter were you are?
Well, yeah, Nephrite… no one can really predict what sex someone will be before they are conceived… or how tall they’ll be… or where they’ll be on the IQ scale. You can *guess*, by looking at the rest of their family, but that’s hardly foolproof.
And that last one, “intelligence”… Are you going to argue that men are just naturally smarter than women now?
Are you going to lobby that she be fired? Where are the protests outside fire houses by feminists to fire inadequate women?
Nowhere, because we’re not–what’s the word?–“assholes.”
Hey jackass…I just agreed that generally men are taller than women.
Now answer my next fucking question. WHY DOES IT MATTER?? How does it benefit men? is it because it means you’re physically stronger too and can work dangerous, strenuous jobs and possible be injured or die? I thought you didn’t want that?
“And that last one, “intelligence”… Are you going to argue that men are just naturally smarter than women now?”
Oh please let him try to argue that. Popcorn, anyone?
OKAY LET’S START AGAIN CLASS
Amy Angelwing claimed that men and women do not have different genetics and therefore that men and women should have access to the same genes.
I pointed out that if that were true men shouldn’t be taller than women.
Kathy started talking about being 6 feet tall for reasons only her insecurities can know.
Other people started to call me MRAL (whoever that is) and claim I was “obsessed” despite Kathy having mentioned that she’s 6 feet tall multiple times.
Nobody has addressed how if what Amy Angelwing said is true, then why is there not an equal distribution of men and women at every height? How come men have penises and women have vaginas? How come men are bigger and stronger and faster than women? If we all have equal access to genes, and genetics works as Amy thinks it does, how come men and women aren’t the same?
Our “legion” of enemies is limited to the trolls that usually post on this board, so we’re guessing you’re one of about… 5, maybe?
Asshat: Yeah, just skip the whole part where I asked you to clarify your argument, and the (unless that’s not what you’re saying) in the post you quoted. So, you’re actually arguing that men tend to be taller than women? As I’ve said before, back that thesis the fuck up.
I’m female-assigned and 5’7″.
And, um, I’m not sure what height differences (men and women are also different in strength and pain tolerance, overall!) have to do with whether you should treat people equally. Do you support more votes for tall people?
How sperm become men: http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo176/vexing_times/mans.jpg
Asshat: I give up. Come back when you have a basic grasp of how traits are passed down, we might have an interesting discussion. Until then, seriously, read a fucking book.
Why does it matter?
answer my question or I’ll say something misandric! so help me god I will xD
Nowhere, because we’re not–what’s the word?–”assholes.”
I thought you cared about equal treatment, not equal results?
If feminists cared about equal treatment they would be outside courthouses lobbying that every accused rapist gets released until the law is changed, because they should get the same belief accorded to accusers, which is that people believe them 100%. But no, I haven’t seen any feminists say that. Women are believed, men aren’t. Equal treatment?
If feminists cared about equal treatment they would be outside fire houses lobbying that the women who are a danger to their team and the public should be fired rather than lobbying that more incapable women are hired. Show me the feminists doing that? No?
Where’s the equal treatment?
You don’t get out much, do you?
“Are you going to lobby that she be fired? Where are the protests outside fire houses by feminists to fire inadequate women?
You can claim whatever you like. Actions speak louder than words.”
I can only make changes wherever my position allows me. All I can promise to you is that if I ever hire a female video editor who isn’t qualified for the job, I’ll fire her in exchange for someone who can do the work.
But by your logic, if I’m not protesting every singe thing that bothers me in the world, then I’m not a real feminist. If applied to everything else, it wouldn’t make sense. It would be like saying a nurse who works with AIDS patients doesn’t really care about health if they aren’t working with patients with Diabetes.
So, are you in any way volunteering to help male victims of rape?
And, um, I’m not sure what height differences (men and women are also different in strength and pain tolerance, overall!) have to do with whether you should treat people equally.
MRAs want to treat people equally. That means that we don’t pretend somebody who is 5’4″ can reach the same shelves as somebody who is 6’4″. That’s what feminism wants.
I can only make changes wherever my position allows me. All I can promise to you is that if I ever hire a female video editor who isn’t qualified for the job, I’ll fire her in exchange for someone who can do the work.
And how many have you fired?
Because there are *many* variations in height, weight, IQ, etc. when you’re looking at individuals in a population of either/any gender? You realize that by limiting the outcomes of the argument to “men and women being all the same” and “men being taller” you’re missing a whole lot, right?
Too coherant to be NWO, not flowery enough to be Meller, not funny enough to be Arks…could be Hengist returning again, I guess, but my vote’s on MRAL. I mean…
“When it comes to sex, all men are the 99%, women are the 1%.”
obvious troll is obvious
and to dumb to answer a simple question
also I’m 5’6 and a half. The last guy I liked was just about my height.
Stools and ladders do not exist! They are only feminist propaganda!
But by your logic, if I’m not protesting every singe thing that bothers me in the world, then I’m not a real feminist. If applied to everything else, it wouldn’t make sense. It would be like saying a nurse who works with AIDS patients doesn’t really care about health if they aren’t working with patients with Diabetes.
No. But it shows your priorities. You claim to want equal treatment, but you don’t actually fight for it. You only fight for unequal treatment.
@ Scar
You are a genius, and I would like to subscribe to your cartoon newsletter.
Stools and ladders do not exist! They are only feminist propaganda!
This is exactly my point. MRAs believe they do. Feminists believe they don’t. We acknowledge that somebody who is short needs a ladder, feminists think that we should ignore that little detail and just pretend they don’t, and if they’re unable to complete their job, feminists think rather than be given a ladder, they should just be paid for not doing work.
Really? I’m 5’2 and can reach the tops of shelves just fine, with a ladder. And holy moly! When that 5’2 guy needs to reach the top of the shelf, he uses a ladder too!
how about protesting on behalf of men then?
Fyi, trolling a blog on a friday night is not protesting
@Quackers: “Oh look feminist critics condemns women fighting back when they’re being harassed online. Lovely. I just lost all respect for that site, I thought it was one of the very few places online that debated feminism without turning into some MRA shitstorm.”
I see that they’re currently promoting GWW on their site. They probably like her because she says all the anti-feminist things they like to hear, and ignore her misogyny or her close ties to Paul Elam. I can’t say “You posted a GWW video, therefore you agree with all her positions!” of course, but it does make me kind of wary of their positions and aims.
@CasandraSays
When it comes to pretty much everything, men are the 99% and women are the 1%. Sex is merely the mechanism which feminism uses to extort that sort of control.
Feminists talk about privilege all the time but are blind that women have all the privilege in the world.
“If feminists cared about equal treatment they would be outside courthouses lobbying that every accused rapist gets released until the law is changed, because they should get the same belief accorded to accusers, which is that people believe them 100%. But no, I haven’t seen any feminists say that. Women are believed, men aren’t. Equal treatment?”
Hmm. NWO on a really good day, or MRAL trying to convince people that he’s NWO? Or the intermediate stage of the evolution of an MRAL into a NWO?
Seriously, Asshat, could you figure out how to use the quote function? {blockquote}what you’re quoting{/blockquote}, except the { and } get replaced by .
“Where did I refuse to acknowledge? Point me to specifically where I said no woman could be taller than any man.”
Oh dear gods, not bothering. You can’t honestly be THAT stupid, can ya?
I vote that he’s Zarat.
So…if we believed in equality we would lobby to have rapists released? Because we should believe that convicted rapists always tell the truth, in spite of the evidence? OK…sure, whatever you say, sparky. Keep fucking that chicken. False equivalence is false.
Really? I’m 5’2 and can reach the tops of shelves just fine, with a ladder. And holy moly! When that 5’2 guy needs to reach the top of the shelf, he uses a ladder too!
Can you even read?
That’s what I said.
okay, you win Nephral, menz are stronger. I guess you’ll have to go dig ditches and do construction and stuff without us women *le sigh* ah well…that’s biology for you. Have fun!
OFFS, stupid HTML! { and } get replaced by the less than and greater than brackets. A smrt, I haz one!
I guess you’ll have to go dig ditches and do construction and stuff without us women
Is that a threat? We’ve been digging all the ditches and making all of the buildings since civilization began.
Why don’t people ever realize that saying shit like this means they’ve already decided women are inadequate?
If I wrote, “If MRAs cared about equal treatment they would be outside fire houses lobbying that the men who are a danger to their team and the public should be fired rather than lobbying that more incapable men are hired” they’d be like, “HOLD UP! Why do you want those poor dudes fired? You haven’t even *met* them! Where’s the stats showing how many particular fires these guys fucked up on? Don’t they even get an employee review?”
So…if we believed in equality we would lobby to have rapists released? Because we should believe that convicted rapists always tell the truth, in spite of the evidence?
You believe that accusers always tell the truth, in spite of the evidence. Equal treatment right?
RE GWW, eh. She seems like a pretty miserable person, let her enjoy basking in the attention until they inevitably find a reason to hate her.
“MRA erases male rape survivors!” Come on, Nephrite, all I need is a “men are beasts who can’t be expected not to rape women” and I’ll have MRAs Suck At Men’s Rights Bingo.
Also, let me explain this from the beginning. Nephrite, the reason some people have vaginas and some people have penises is called “chromosomes.” People with vaginas usually have two X chromosomes; people with penises usually have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. These chromosomes code for other traits too, such as male-pattern baldness and hemophilia. HOWEVER, except for the Y chromosome, ALL OF THE GENOME is broadly the same between people with penises and people with vaginas. Therefore, they can be said to have “the same genes,” the same way I and my sister can be said to have “the same genes.”
Yes, as a feminist I just have to admit the huge privilege of asshats like you walking in and spewing the same pointless drivel. Wow. What. A. Huge. Privilege.
Because there are *many* variations in height, weight, IQ, etc. when you’re looking at individuals in a population of either/any gender? You realize that by limiting the outcomes of the argument to “men and women being all the same” and “men being taller” you’re missing a whole lot, right?
Just answer me this. On average who is taller as a group, men or women?
I doubt it’s FactFinder, too coherent to be Samuel, not narcissistic enough for Brandon. Could be aMiRA…
Nephrite is very difficult to argue against. For one thing, zie seems to be conjuring up the Feminism Collective’s stance on an issue out of thin air. And then height, for some reason…
@Nephrite Yeqon:
MRAs want to treat people equally [citation needed]. That means that we don’t pretend somebody who is 5’4″ can reach the same shelves as somebody who is 6’4″. That’s what feminism wants [citation very much needed].
Why is it that the most common argument against a group fighting for equality is “But people aren’t exactly the same!!! Therefore racism/misogyny/etc.” It’s as if they’re being purposefully obtuse about what the group means by equality… Congrats, Nephrite, on going to the next stage and agreeing (nominally) with what feminists actually want, while simultaneously misrepresenting them. *golf clap*
Feminist Critics is blazingly stupid. I remember when they were like “Well, what about CONSCRIPTION! Women have the vote in the western world, but men can still be draaaafteeeeed”, leaving aside the minor real world problem that pretty much only France has a problem with conscripts risking their lives. Nobody else, if even France does, is sending conscripts to Iraq/Afghanistan, and there’s not going to be a defensive war until Nukes are removed.
Which is a shame, but at least htey’re not *hateful* idiots, right up until they try backing Girl Writes What. That’s a serious step up from most antifeminists.
RE GWW, eh. She seems like a pretty miserable person, let her enjoy basking in the attention until they inevitably find a reason to hate her.
Which videos are you watching? Or are you just jealous?
Also, let me explain this from the beginning. Nephrite, the reason some people have vaginas and some people have penises is called “chromosomes.” People with vaginas usually have two X chromosomes; people with penises usually have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. These chromosomes code for other traits too, such as male-pattern baldness and hemophilia. HOWEVER, except for the Y chromosome, ALL OF THE GENOME is broadly the same between people with penises and people with vaginas. Therefore, they can be said to have “the same genes,” the same way I and my sister can be said to have “the same genes.”
Thank you. Finally somebody gets it. Now can you explain this to your idiot blonde friend?
“You only fight for unequal treatment.”
I think you mean to say “You only fight against unequal treatment.”
If true, I don’t see the problem. Seriously there is only so much energy i can put into anything on any given day. if i have to pick my battles, I’m picking the ones that I can relate to on a personal level. Doesn’t mean i don’t speak out on anything else.
Asshat: You made the claim, you back it up. Are men taller as a group than women? Does this vary by country (indicating the possibility of outside factors like nutrition or childhood diseases)?
YAY KIRBY IS BACK! :D
*HUGS KIRBY HUGE*
i missed you :( we were such a good team.
I was supposed to watch her videos? Her writing is bad enough…
ok…so go dig your ditch you big strong tall man you! no one’s stopping you and you made it clear that you think women are too weak to do laborious menz work….so stop complaining :D
Yeah, it’s the old “you people should be fighting for the causes I support, otherwise you’re all hypocrites!” gambit. Been there, seen that, bought the tee-shirt–and it wasn’t a very good tee-shirt.
Asshat: You made the claim, you back it up. Are men taller as a group than women? Does this vary by country (indicating the possibility of outside factors like nutrition or childhood diseases)?
What are you talking about? I already said that men are taller as a group than women. I give you a citation. You’re the ones claiming equal distribution.
@Ami:
Oh my blonde friend, shall we make mincemeat of this new troll, for old times sake?
It is playing all the MRA greatest hits, up to and including “we hunted the mammoth.”