When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.
I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.
When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
Posted on February 3, 2012, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, creepy, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, PUA, reactionary bullshit, sex, sluts. Bookmark the permalink. 637 Comments.
Is the cock carousel anywhere near the pussy fountain?
It’s too bad about birth control. It makes the sperm/egg supply thing completely meaningless, so guys have to just imagine women lose some sort of intangible magic attribute when they have too much sex.
“She had sex with a dude and now she’s not pregnant and has no diseases! But she’s worth less because… because… because her points went down! Yeah!”
Lulz.
The Fuck? Ain’t that usually confined to the people who are ‘warpigs’ in your cant anyway? Ain’t that exactly what you want?
http://www.americanobesity.org/downloads/Obesity_epidemic_USA_By_DR_Wang_JohnHopikens.pdf
Just kidding, I know he means it’s only repulsive when women do it, not that it’s primarily women who do it. Well, that’s what he means now, anyway :D
Why do I get the feeling that Roissy thinks ANY study can be twisted, distorted and stretched in such a way that it seems like it supports him?
Also, just the math of this gets to me.
Assuming everyone is heterosexual (and you can’t even begin to speak Roissy’s language unless you do that), the only way men are going to all get laid with multiple women is if women have sex with multiple men! That’s not feminism, that’s not ethics, that’s logic.
(I guess technically you could have just a few women having sex with like a thousand men apiece? But PUAs definitely don’t want that.)
If women jealously guard their purity and men have a conquest a night, you’re going to end up with a whole lot of men left out completely. Who the hell does that benefit?
I suppose the word “conquest” explains it. If a woman is a prize to be won, then winning a very rarely awarded prize is a higher honor than winning a prize she’s given out to thirty guys so far.
It’s too bad this “prize” has to be connected to sex, though, because sex is fun and it feels good for a lot of women, and there’s a lot of different reasons someone might have more or fewer partners. Maybe we could each keep a stock of only two or three gold medals and use those instead. “Never mind how many people I’ve slept with; you’re the first ever to get the medal! Yay you! Go show it off to your buddies! YOU WIN!”
(I still don’t know what’s in this medal system for us, but at least we get to have whatever sex life we want.)
It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg…
Or it could have something to do assholes, such as yourself Mr. “Heartiste”, perpetuating gender stereotypes with your pseudo-scientific brain diarrhea.
They already did, you just needed him to explain it to your girlbrain.
The dude who sells the books that supposedly tell men how to be in the minority of men getting a conquest a night.
Putting aside that I don’t believe roissy for two seconds, and he’s a hilariously unattractive git (Not the least of which for denying my girlfriend exists), I have a useful quote from Dogbert for this situation. “Beware the advice of successful people. They do not seek company.”
I mean Roissy explicitly does not…
Oh, just noticed something else, regarding Holly’s thought: That minority gets even smaller when you toss out everyone that isn’t hot.
Holly: Bingo. Alpha males get laid, beta males are celibate (and contemptible). And also the sperm/egg thing is presumed to have arisen in the hunter-gatherer environment in which there were totally enough women for men to slut around and not abandon their children and also culture doesn’t exist because shut up that’s why.
Bah, feminists! Your logical points of contention are no match for SCIENCE!
But it is science.
WELL I’M SCIENCIER.
Personally, I prefer the term “sciency”.
Conquests? What am I, a foreign country or something? Dear FSM, is that ever disturbing and dehumanizing. The only time I’m possibly a “conquest” is if I lose a takedown scene.
Getting better at dating means you are better at dating, which means more dates. This proves Game will SAVE THE WORLD.
Also, the lack of the Oxford comma at the end of his climactic list seems to suggest that voting fattens us females up. So for all you gainers out there, get to the polls! (or poles, if you’re voting before or after getting on the cock carousel)
Interesting unmentioned bit in whatever survey-based shit study this is taken from: does it mention if women who date regularly get better at dating? If so, does that mean as men get better at dating so will women, and hence the stalemate in the war of the (straight) sexes will continue ad infinitum until it devolves into one mass orgy of frustration?
One last thing: “Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market.”
But Game isn’t about attracting women, it’s about tricking inscrutable females. All Game does is give manipulators a device with which to find and manipulate manipulatable women. It’s the same ‘game’ that con men and marks have been playing since the dawn of ever. It relies on a large pool of manipulatable women, which isn’t as large as the con men would like due to voting and equal rights and confidence and such.
It’s not that better Game = more manipulatable women. It’s that taking away voting rights, undermining confidence, refusing to educate, and abusing women creates more manipulatable women. And that’s what these MRAs are really all about, because opinionated, confident, educated, and healthy women will have nothing the fuck to do with them.
Wait, how will PUAs slutting around lead to fewer “spinsters”? If the PUAs are dedicated to not getting married, won’t that lead to more women staying single? That’s fine with me; I just don’t see a connection.
And “Eat Pray Love” is about a single woman going on an international vacation. How will PUAs slutting around interfere with women’s vacation plans?
(I’m kidding, of course. I’m pretty sure that, as with “Sex and the City,” MRAs have no idea what “Eat Pray Love” is about except that it involves women having fun without them.)
My favorite is “scienterrific!”
Roissy just needs “science” to back up his sad, sad, life.
So game and male sexual activity is supposed to fix the evils of spinsterhood? Are they going by the old definition of older than eighteen and unmarried(no civil or religious ceremony)? By that definition, I’m well into my spinsterhood.
Quite frankly, game and the type of male sexuality they promote are sufficient reasons for me to stay a spinster, among the many others PUAs are bound by character to offer.
And to keep going on about sperm and eggs in the age of birth control is just ridiculous. Maybe they refuse to give it up because doing so would undermine the theory of male disposability?
Methinks Roissy needs to take another look at his whole “men are justifiably slutty” thing…
The common argument is that, in the past, males who passed their genes around to more females were therefore more successful. Ok, sure. But now lets look at today’s world; a world where it is socially acceptable to only be married to one person (and harems are considered cultish), a world where more children means more responsibilities for education, food, clothing, etc.
In this world, this world of contraception (as Holly pointed out), sperm and egg don’t matter anymore. What matters is the kid/s that result, and having a whole bunch of kids is actually a huge detriment (unless you are a fundamentalist of sorts).
All this talk about mating and alphas and so forth makes me think that Roissy and his kin really want to live 50,000 years in the past, not 50.
Well, Kirby, they probably would be happier if they could just bash women over the heads and drag them back to their caves.
Yes, sperm is worthless really because it is a constantly self renewing cell. Eggs have a finite amount per ovary. So naturally eggs are much more valuable.
Oh wait, somehow sperm is? Um….
“Bah, feminists! Your logical points of contention are no match for SCIENCE!
But it is science.
WELL I’M SCIENCIER.”
Best laugh I’ve had all week. And I’ve had several from here.
Ok I’m confused.
“It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg”
is *exactly the opposite* of what I think I learned in school.
Eggs are high initial input value. Spend them wisely. Egg-havers are choosy in their mates.
Sperms are low initial input value. Spend them like the wild oats they are. Sperm-havers favour quantity over quality.
Or maybe I just need another coffee. Or a MRA Bullshit-to-Logical Thinking dictionary.
Eeveerrry sprem is saaacred! Eevry sperm is goood!
Come on, sing along. Maybe if we sing loud enough MRAs will feel a little more positive about themselves.
Really, if sperm is so worthless, what’s the point in trying to spread it around? Last I checked, the only sperm or ova that were worth something were the ones that produced live children. And then the only children worth something were the ones that survived to reproduce, in evolutionary terms. So what does that say really about natures views?
@hellkell:
Isn’t that what Game is all about? :P They just use words and lies instead of clubs. The caves are still there though…
Another thing I just had to point out, like a couple others already have:
” I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.”
These are supposedly the things that would go away if men were able to sleep with any woman they wanted. The mind boggles as to how this is supposed to work…
Cheating: your male partner can sleep with whomever he wants, and will if you don’t stay true only to him. Why stay with that guy?
Cock Carouseling: This carousel needs cocks to ride on, doesn’t it? Methinks it is those men who have options.
Divorcing on a whim: No marriage, no divorce I guess…
Eat pray loving: I’m gonna guess this is about the same as cock carouseling, in which case see above.
Straycationing: Women will stop keeping cats if men sleep around more? Er…
Spinstering: Unless Roissy wants men to start up big harems, (and why would they if they can sleep with whomever they want?), “spinsters” (unmarried women) would increase due to less men marrying.
Attention whoring: More men sleeping around means women would have to do more to get a man to sleep with her. Even in Roissy’s World (a show I would never watch) this wouldn’t work.
Voting: Women will stop voting if men sleep around more? Er…
Fattening up into repulsiohscrewitalready Roissy is finally off the deep end.
It works like this. Men can’t be sluts because nature geared them with an impossibly bar to reach promiscuity. You can’t blame men for being sluts when that’s apparently what God and nature wanted. Women are easily sluts, because all her time is supposed to go to whoever got her pregnant, to ensure the resulting child is provided for. Because, as we all know, women can’t keep gardens, or domesticate animals or forage for food and water. All those women and girls to old or too young to bear children are completely incapable of lending a hand, because they don’t exist.
And of course, every woman of childbearing age must be perpetually pregnant.
@Halite:
Prepare yourself, I’m about to get sciencey (like choclatey for cereals, not actually chocolate):
Women have limited numbers of eggs. These eggs are used up when they have sex. Therefore, a woman who has had a lot of sex has used up her eggs, and therefore has no other quality that makes her an attractive mate.
Men have infinite sperm. These sperm are never used up. Therefore, men who have a lot of sex just gain experience and dashing good looks, which makes them more suitable for women who haven’t used up their eggs yet.
Logic!
You whiny feminist bitches deny the science behind Roissy’s words. Of course you do! A person’s value is rooted in their sexual value– life is pointless, we are tools of recombinant DNA, the only meaning is the fuck. So the acknowledgement that no one wants your aging, desiccated cunts, stretched out and sagging from a hundred big black cocks, is the acknowledgement that you are worthless human beings with manjaws and dark arm hair, waddling to the Whole Foods in between spurting meaningless bursts of equalist propaganda.
Spin, spin, hamsters.
So… Roissy says his aim in teaching men how to, “pump and dump” is to show women who like sex that liking sex is wrong because it will lead to them getting sex?
Truly a dizzying intellect.
Aren’t these the same guys who would completely lose their shit with “spermjacking harpy is trying to entrap me!!! PAPER ABORTION!!!” if they actually did fertilize an egg?
It’s interesting that sex (or rather, a woman’s sex) is the only skill that’s less valued with practice. If you were going to play tennis with someone and they told you “go easy on me, I’ve only done this a couple times,” you’d figure they wouldn’t be nearly as good as someone who’d played tennis thousands of times with many different partners.
The fact that Roissy and Co. don’t see a woman’s sexual skill as a positive makes me suspect they’re having really terrible sex. (Or really fictional sex.)
Pecunium
It ties in with how women can’t survive without men providing for us. So if men are doing pump and dump, we’ll spend all our time with our legs spread for the next sperm dose or popping out kids. Eventually, when the fat supply runs ot we’ll starve.
Holly Pervocracy, you cockgobbling slut, a woman doesn’t have to be experienced to be good in bed. Sex isn’t rocket science: any girl who’s cute and likes you will suck you off, moan, run her hands along your back, and move a bit, which is all it takes to qualify as an acceptable lay. In fact, it’s better with inexperienced women because they don’t bark orders like a drill sergeant.
Halite: It’s got to do with “slutty”. In Roisspeak slutty means having sex which cheapens the inherent worth (as a person) of the person having sex.
Since, in Roissland, only women who refuse to have sex with anyone but him/you are valuable (because, eggs, and all), any women who has sex with whom she likes, when she likes, because she likes, is a slut.
Men can only be slutty if the women they are shagging lower their value in the Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Stupid of “GAME”. So convincing a hot chick (who’s a “slut”) to sleep with you (ideally under false pretenses, so she is of the idea you are, “The One” and then dumping her… thus making sure she’s a used up slut for the next guy, is, “Manly”,and not slutty (in the same way that making a man wait until marriage is, “womanly”, and wrong, because dudes need to get their dicks wet).
So it requires a man be willing to sleep with women who aren’t “hot” to end up a slut (which means he’s a Beta who is refusing to accept his lot in life being to have sex only with women who have been abused by Alphas, and had so much sex (three or four Alphas) that they are “all used up”, and bitter about how the “Hot Alpha Cock” won’t hammer their cervix all night, the way it used to be, before everyone could tell they had become “sluts”).
The pathetic losers who have sex with people they like, who aren’t hot… those are male sluts; out there undermining the plan to make all women become traditional, and virginal cock-teasing coquettes, which is what Roissy really wants, and is why he’s teaching men to be abusive assholes to every woman they meet.
Those sluts are fucking it up for the rest of us by convincing women they can have decent sex with anyone, not just the Alphas.
Bastards.
Nothing screams ‘virgin’ like a guy who complains about sexually experienced women.
I’ve never been able to fathom this idea of wanting to sleep with a string of sexually clueless women – that actually sounds like to opposite of fun to me!
(Obviously there’s nothing wrong with being a virgin, but this guy seems to think there is – if you’re a guy, that is)
P.S. I can’t wait until I’ve fattened up enough to become a repulsive dirigible, so that I can fly Feminazis into battle.
Zoooooooom! Whoooooooosh!
Having sex with a PUA must be the most boring activity on Earth. I can’t believe these guys go to all this trouble for those two minutes.
Scar
It has to do with finding a woman who won’t know what gets her off or expect to get the same pleasure he does. Also, not having been in a relationship before, she’ll have nothing to compare his selfish, mastubatory style of sex to. AND, bonus, he can treat her like shit in other ways and she may think that’s what a relationship should be.
Not all virgin hunters are like that, but many are.
Hellkell – Two minutes of emotionless pleasureless awkward humping, years you can tell your bros about it.
I’ve long advocated for them to just cut the two minutes and go straight to the fun part, but I guess if they admit they’re doing that it ruins the payoff. It would be entertaining though.
“That’s nothing, bro. Last week I had sex with eighty-six women and they were all supermodels, except for the one that was a double supermodel. She only models fashions for other supermodels to wear. So yeah, I totally banged her and her twin sister in the morning before having a twenty-three-some at lunch.”
Scar…LOL LOL LOL!
Hellkell, when you put it like that…you’re right. What is the point. Oh wait, its so they can have self esteem, and they only way to have that is by grinding everyone else into the mud. Silly lady brained me…
I’ve studied quite a bit on how to become a PUA, or “Pick-up Anteater”. You want to start by negging the ants so that their self-esteem lowered. Tell the ant, “Hey, I bet you can’t even life half your body weight” or “Oh, you’re an ant. At first I was confusing you for one of my droppings”. Then assert your alpha dominance by shaking your bristly tail and showing your sharp talons.
can’t even lift*
The former, I suspect – especially as they’re so opposed to feminine sluttiness.
Well, I suppose that if I HAD to screw a guy like roissy, I could lie still for the two minutes it took him, and get my shopping list figured out.
Just lie back and think of England.
Scar, we should use the PUAs as repulsive dirigibles, their full of enough hot air.
Know what this post needs? More sex-bots. 20 years and Roissy’s breed is nothing more than dehydrated corpses clutching shiny dolls in dusty rooms.
Okay, I had to draw me as a repulsive dirigible:
@Crumbelievable and @Scar — You both made me spit out my water laughing, for which I am grateful.
Scar that picture is awesome! Now quick! Post it on the mRA site, maybe they’ll think the invasion has started and hide under their beds!
I’ll defrost the frozen clone army, some else needs to get out the slobbering crotch maws.
Maybe the women should just offer to sign affidavits saying they TOTALLY REALLY HONESTLY had sex with these guys with language in teeny tiny print saying “no, this is just so I can avoid having bad sex with an irritating little monster.”
For some reason Scar’s picture just made me get “Ride of the Valkyries” stuck in my head.
The fact that Roissy and Co. don’t see a woman’s sexual skill as a positive makes me suspect they’re having really terrible sex. (Or really fictional sex.)
Six of one, half-dozen of the other, I’d wager.
It really amazes me that people who claim to be all about casual sex can so fucking prudish.
By the way, Scar, you’re brilliant.
Hahahahahahahahahahha!!!!!!
I just read the full post!!!
Here’s the part that slays me:
Get that? Basically, just *repeating* a person’s ideas and feelings back to her from her frame of reference makes her like you more, and makes her feel like you know her bettter
Way to miss the whole nuance and point of what they’re trying to tell you! Mindlessly repeating back what she just said will make you look like a moron. Trying to fake real interest and genuine understanding won’t work if all you’re thinking about is how quIckly you can get her to suck your cock! But you stay failing Roissy.
Roissy, saving the worlds women from jackasses.
@pillowinhell:
I will be very sad the day that South Park stops perfectly illustrating this stuff.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154975/buca-di-faggoncini
aaww its pua! (the picture xD)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamanduagirl/with/6813016313/
Good at dating=good at dating
This’d be the conclusion a normal person would extract from this study. However, you’ll notice our esteemed science writer has inserted a second equivalency here that he no doubt believes everyone else shares.
Good at dating=PUA
Y’see, this study proves that PUA’s are successful at dating. How do we know? Because people successful at dating are PUA’s, of course!
@ Kirbywarp – ’round these parts, we call that there line of thinkin’ “scientiffy”.
@ Pecunium – thanks for the Roissy-speak translation. Good grief, but it must be difficult to live in an MRA mind-set! So confusing!
I’m a lazy thinker so I think that what consenting adults do with their fun bits is none of my business and BAM! Less thinking for me! Success! Thinking about who is a slut and why and whether I’m banging enough Alphas or not is way too much work. MRAs think too much! (I bet that’s never been said before).
The wiggle lines around the Repulsive Dirigible Tits just made it for me.
Scar, your freshly minted internets is in the mail!
I have never been more thankful to be considered hideous in my whole life! Hahaha! I just finished reading the rest of Roissys’ blog. He gets his BMI index for women from what…a 1959 comic book? Hahahaha! Does anyone have a picture of this guy so I can see if he’s an alpha?
pillowinhell, I believe this is a fairly recent picture of Roissy, circa 2009…
Crap. I’ll try that again… Here’s Jimmy!
Kirbywarp…your linky just says “sorry Canada…videos not available” I’m being discriminated against!
Xanthe, I don’t get it… He doesn’t look like Adonis reborn. And I suspect the first time he opened his mouth it would drop him 250 points minimum.
Oh wait…this is the strange difference between men and women right? The part where women look in the mirror and see every flaw magnified but men look in the mirror and see that they’re still hot stuff stereotype?
pillowinhell, another slightly less work safe photo has been produced showing all of Jim’s alpha attributes!
@redlocker: I wish I could take credit for it.
Ozzy, you’re terrifying. But potentially usefull. Have you ever considered infiltrating MRA sites? Ya know, just to get them frothing at the mouth and give us some giggles?
Xanthe why is that pic so distant? Is he trying to hide something?
Well Xanthe you just showed me everything I needed to know. My guess is that his IQ is low to medium average, which would explain his hatred of high IQs
Are you telling me women sometimes want to have sex with hot people who put out? I am utterly stunned!
Wow, I was WAY hotter as a dude that Roissy.
I suspect that I’m also way hotter as a woman than most of the ones he (supposedly) picks up.
But anyway; we all know that PUAs aren’t particularly attractive (and I don’t mean just in appearance) otherwise they wouldn’t have to put all this work into practicing picking up.
Dunno pih, perhaps the photo was taken from some distance without his permission? Another one of the Roissy family (sister and brother flanking him).
Honestly, he’s just your typical guy. Its the self loathing and the hatred he directs at women who won’t have him that makes him have to work so hard. I’ve only met one guy like this in my entire life..
Hey, man, I know lots of guys with smallish dicks who are much less misogynistic than Mr. Roissy. Even if he were hung like a damn horse he’d still be an asshat.
I’d hit it, except he’s a misogynist, and I don’t fuck misogynists.