Men oppressed by not being allowed to bitch about ladies in public restrooms
I'm pretty sure this happens more often than conversations in men's restrooms
A startling new development on the frontiers of anti-male oppression. According to the loquacious lady MRA known as girlwriteswhat on Reddit, men are being oppressed by evil feminist dudes cruelly clamping down on their right to bitch about ladies in the bathroom. In a recent comment she writes:
No space is allowed to be male-only, or male-viewpoint-only, but women insist on female-only or female-viewpoint-only spaces all the time.
The only male safe space left on the planet is the men’s bathroom, ffs. And even then, there will be feminist-leaning men policing what is said. It’s very frustrating.
As a dude feminist who is a regular user of men’s restrooms, I should note that dudes do not actually talk in restrooms.
Happily, this does not prevent me, as a dude feminist, from policing the non-existent speech of other dudes in said restrooms.
Here is the complete transcript of a restroom discussion I recently policed:
Dude One: [silently urinates]
Dude Two: [silently urinates]
Dude Three: [silently poops]
Me: Goddessdamnit, keep it down with all your lady-bashing! Men are bad!
Always glad to help.
HT to Shit Reddit Says, which has just ended its month-long moratorium on r/mensrights posts, for pointing me to girlwriteswhat’s observation.
Posted on February 1, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, bullying, I'm totally being sarcastic, misandry, MRA, oppressed men, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 520 Comments.
Who then, will raise the children? Are they to have no caretakers? Will those who would rather be caretakers of their children (people of any gender), be forced into wage labor? Do you intend to institute a Soviet style public childcare system to make up for the gap?
I do think this is wrong (in no small part because de facto the latter would be a result of the former policy). We can easily look at surrogacy law and see that the right to abortion is related to the state of pregnancy, not to having been the egg provider. But, as all will note, I am the first to criticize, and no one has physically assault Quackers or called for such.
I’m sorry,these fuckers in the MRM are indeed evil, in my view. They themselves brag about hurting people, especially women and sometimes children. Those that do not brag about actual acts, post elaborate fantasies of hurting people in general.
I think calling someone who wants to hurt my children, filth is perfectly ok. The MRAs who post things about hurting people for no reason are indeed filth, and I feel fine about saying that.
Antz: No one here wants to join your cult. Quit telling us what feminists do, because we are feminists, and we know a hell of a lot better than to listen to your bullshit.
I’d just like to highlight that Zarat thinks the minimum standard to be an MRA is to want a male pill. I’m pretty sure everyone here, who he’s called bigots, wants a male pill. So excuse me while I go have myself a great laugh.
If our children stop being stolen by feminist goons in police uniforms, we would not mind government at all.
And if my Fruit of the Looms stop being stolen by the Underpants Gnomes, I wouldn’t mind their secret plan to earn profit.
The police are feminists now? Uh huh. The police seem to have the same attitudes towards women that MRAs have. I’m pretty sure that they’re on your side, unfortunately.
And this is why MRAs think that feminists are crazy.
Three months ago, I repeatedly asked the members of this board if there was even one of you (ONE)(1) who would accept that it is wrong to send fathers to prison (not jail) for many years (not weeks) on a felony (not misdemeanor) conviction of inability to pay child support. I could not get ONE of you to admit that this is morally indefensible.
Now, when one feminist goes against the tide and embraces (essentially) the entire MRA platform, all of you sudenly de-bigotify and become human beings who feel emotions like compassion and pity.
What gives?
I don’t remember seeing that post, so that might be why no one responded.
OK, sure. I think that’s wrong. There you go.
Nah, the police stop being feminist goons when the courts start forcing every kid into the dad’s custody, regardless of the facts of the case or even if the dad wants the kids. Til then, feminazi tools, because Antsy has massive paranoia about family court. Yet another thing a parallel universe troll is clueless on, go fig.
Nuh uh, Rutee! Everything good comes from MRAs. Everything bad comes from feminism.
Empire Strikes Back–MRA
Jar Jar Binks–feminism
See? Everything bad.
You finally actually read a post with comprehension.
That’s because it didn’t happen, and we pointed out everything that indicated the story had not progressed like the MRAs were now spinning the narrative. I don’t remember the details, but it was most certainly not a dude going to prison for poverty alone.
Antz: I believe there should be a male pill!
I also believe those posters about how boys shouldn’t force a girl into sex are fucking awesome!
Has your brain exploded yet?
Oh, protip for those unused to him:
Antsy is a parallel universe troll, like MRAL, or Molkboy. Pretty much everything he talks about goes through a dozen funhouse mirrors before finally ending up in a readable format. Nothing he says should be taken at face value.
I recall quite a few people saying that jail terms for failure to pay child support (due to inability to pay) were not appropriate. Even Amanda Marcotte opposes this.
Yeah, we did, but it also wasn’t the facts of the case they were flogging.
I also don’t really give a shit about Antsy’s dreams about how it’s so mean to the menz to do this. I care because it’s mean to the poor.
@Rutee:
I’m just agreeing to that hypothetically, in that bare bones structure, but I don’t know if Antz is talking about an actual sentence like Thomas Ball or something. Obviously knowing more details about a particular case would change a lot.
an actual case*
On the othet hand, refusal to pay when the means exist is another matter. As with willful tax evasion and the willful failure to pay wages due, legal sanction would be appropriate.
You can see one case of a father sent to prison for hard time because of inability to pay child support on today’s spearhead — if you don’t want to read the article, just scroll down to the video and click on it:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/02/01/its-time-to-nurse-our-grievances/
On any given day, 50,000 fathers are doing hard time for inability to pay child support. This is your legacy. Watch it. Feel the burning shame of your own evil bigotry. Then multiply that story by 50,000 and think “this is modern feminism”.
I know Marcotte is against this. I pointed that out when we first talked about this issue. I still could not get anyone to agree.
AntZ:
I don’t actually see the point in putting people in gaol for not paying child support. They’re even less likely to be able to pay if they’re in gaol than if they aren’t.
And another thing I don’t understand: what’s wrong with 50/50 child custody as long as neither parent has a history of abusing their children? That way nobody pays child support and both parents get time with their kids. I don’t understand why the MRA doesn’t see this.
And I never understood alimony. We don’t have it in Australia.
And the reason we don’t talk about this stuff with you is the nasty, insulting inflammatory way you frame your questions.
I also don’t believe parents unable to pay child support should be jailed.
And yet I’m a feminist. Or are you going to tell me that I’m 100% MRA too?
I don’t know about 50/50 time for kids with each parent. I’d have to hear from a lot of people raised this way before I could work out an opinion.
Feel the burning shame of your own evil bigotry.
Should I do this before or after I eat my nightly meal of roasted baby? Should I give the clip my full attention, or can I multi-task–say, by masturbating while strangling a puppy? I want to get this “evil” thing exactly right.
I know the problem with it-most of the time the men (and women) who wind up in jail or prison had multiple chances to avoid it. Some judges give so many chances the custodial parent might as well give up.
Even in Turner v Rogers the defendant had a chance to not screw his kids over-if he had enough money for drugs, he should have at least set aside some of it for his kids. (And yes, I am quite aware that addiction is a serious problem.) He did not. He did not even bother filing something showing he was unemployed. At some point people cannot expect someone else to take care of their own situation and take a few steps to ensure those who need to know about their financial difficulties know about it.
W.F Price: “W.F Price: ” Women are harder-hearted than executioners when it comes to the fathers of their children. It’s evolutionarily hard-wired — if they feel an impulse to mate with new cock eliminating the prior man becomes a top priority.”
See, this here is a perfect example of what is so very wrong with your movement. Even ifn an MRA raises a legitimate point or at least something that can be debated, he has to ruin it with his trollish nature and his rampant misogyny.
This could simply be an opinion piece about how some men are unfairly (again, in the author’s opinion, fine whatever) arrested and thrown in jail for being unable to pay child support. Now I don’t know anything about law so I don’t know if , but that’s besides the point. Price could write the article, I could read it and maybe disagree, and then be on my way.
But of course he has to pepper it with misogynistic language that serves absolutely no purpose, thereby making himself look like a misogynistic ass.
I don’t know if the situation is actually the way it’s presented by Price*
I need to take more time typing. But I’m always in a rush because I think by the time I’m done, the topic will have moved on.
New! Good news! Canada created frozen clone army…plans to take over the world.
Proof from a site more credible than Spearhead http://www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=232665
The problem isn’t with 50/50 shared physical and legal custody, per se. The problem is in mandating that this be the default, in spite of what the best interests of the child may be. In other words, it puts the interests of the parents over the interests of the child. Now, the courts’ idea of the best interests of the child may be influenced by old-fashioned sexist values that dictate that the mother is always the better parent, but this is hardly the fault of feminism.
This is the bill (that the National Organization for Women supported) which I posted about three months ago:
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText12/SenateText12/S2152.pdf
Read it if you want. Five years in prison for falling behind $5000 on child support.
EN:
“One of the basic theories of feminism is that men must reserve a part of their lives for women and women must not do any thing for pleasing men.”
This makes no sense. Have you ever actually been in a relationship? They tend to be about sharing cool stuff. Sex is just one of those shared things. Most women will go out of their way to please their partners, just as most men will go out of their way to please theirs. I don’t know where you’re digging this bullshit up from. Or is this another stupid drive-by comment?
I think what Elizabeth said bears repeating: men who are jailed for non-payment typically have multiple chances to avoid being jailed. If you flout a court order for long enough, without even taking minimal steps to show efforts at compliance, most judges are going to be a wee bit pissed off.
I think the figure of 50,000 men jailed for sheer inability to pay is highly suspect.
Captain Bathrobe – exactly, especially since these are couples who have been through mediation and still can’t agree, so have come to court. At its worst, it leads to throwing kids off a bridge.
“.. men who are jailed for non-payment typically have multiple chances to avoid being jailed ..”
No they don’t. Did you read the law? It says nothing of multiple chances to avoid jail. The guy in the video winds up in prison 2 years after the divorce is final. Just enough time for him to run out of relatives that he can beg money from. No time for non-existent fantasy feminist “chances”. The blood on your hands will never wash off, bigots. Never.
From the text of the Texas bill:
Every person who is obligated to pay child support pursuant to an order or decree established by or registered with the family court pursuant to chapter 11 of title 15, who has incurred arrearage of past-due child support in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) five thousand dollars ($5,000), and who shall willfully thereafter,
having the means to do so, fail to pay three (3) or more installments of child support in an amount previously set by the court, according to the terms previously set by the court, shall be guilty of a felony for each instance of failure to make the subsequent payments and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment for a period not to exceed five (5) years.
Have you read it, Antz?
I support that bill. Unlike you I find the fact that noncustodial parents refusing to pay or even do the bare minimum of effort to show they cannot pay worthy of being chucked into jail for. Maybe even prison.
Also, unless those are mandatory jail sentences (which would never pass), most noncustodial parents will get at most a few weeks. The ones who do not should be in prison anyway for being such assholes to their own offspring.
Okay, ignoring for the moment that I have no power to change or implement US laws, and therefore had absolutely nothing to do with this o_O
Are they all getting murdered in jail? Where’s the blood coming from?
Ok so the text of the bill says,
“EVERY PERSON, who already OWES 5,000
and who shall WILLFULLY thereafter,
HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SO, fail to pay three (3) or more installments of child support in an amount
previously set by the court, according to the terms previously set by the court, shall be guilty of a
felony for each instance of failure to make the subsequent payments and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment for a period not to exceed five (5) years.
so only those who owe 5,000, and who have the means to pay, and who willfully refuse to pay three installments, might go to jail for less than 5 years.”
Most parents paying child support, who have the means to pay, do not owe 5,000 fucking dollars in the first place.
So this penalty has many avenues of avoidance, and is strictly limited as well.
So only the rich assholes who have this kind of money will be punished in this way, not poor dudes who cannot pay.
All caps words mine, for emphasis
“We have seen the destruction caused by feminism, and women in general. Women are getting pissed because they know the gravy train is about to come to a screeching halt. The manginas and white knights who serve women are becoming an endangered species. Men like me aren’t going to put themselves in harm’s way anymore. We understand the true nature of women, and we are disgusted by it…..Women have committed crimes against humanity, and it about time they faced justice.” (9 upvotes, 1 downvote)
It looks like Price’s readers really read the piece thoroughly and understood it well, huh.
Willful failure, having the ability to pay. If you willfully refused to pay your taxes, and you had the ability to pay, where do you think that would get you? I’m just not buying that these guys are the victims they’re made out to be. And the whole “blood on your hands” schtick just makes you sound like a fanatic. Which, of course, you are.
Out, damned spot, out I say!
@SaruGaku
You are from Australia, for crissake. That is one of the top three most bigoted, feminist, hate-filled nations in the world (along with Sweden and England). Have you read the “National Plan to Reduce Violence against Women and their children “? This is the official government policy of the land of cangaroos and bigoted feminists:
http://www.fahcsia.gov.au/sa/women/progserv/violence/nationalplan/Pages/default.aspx
Get a load of the bigoted feminist language, “women and THEIR CHILDREN”. Never mind that in Australia (as everywhere), mothers are THREE TIMES as likely to abuse or murder their children as are fathers. Inconvenient facts are not important to feminist bigots.
So you reckon we shouldn’t try to reduce violence against women and their children?
Antz, you haven’t answered my question: have YOU read the Texas bill? Do you understand the meaning of “willful failure to pay, having the means to do so?” Or did you just skip ahead to the part about “five years in prison” and call it a day?
Of course not, violence against women and children is necessary to the MRM, according to their online screeds anyway.
The video did not play and I could not find one online about it. What I do know is that if that guy was an attorney, there is more to the story. A lot more because attorneys know that if they want something from a judge, they better damn well let the judge know there is a problem.
And violence by mothers is covered under the “children” bit.
He’s an attorney? There goes the theory that he had trouble reading/completing forms to the court’s satisfaction. (which is bloody hard for ordinary people)
It’s really important to Antz that we be bloodthirsty bigots, isn’t it? Either we support the MRM, or we are literally Hitler. There’s no middle ground.
Of course, the only one who actually advocated genocide is Antz himself. Unless all the women are just going to magically evaporate and reappear on the other side of the Mississippi.
@Antz
Ok, I read that article on the Spearhead, and that asshole jumped all over that woman who basically just said that there are men who walk out on their families. I’m sorry but this is true. There are men who walk out. My friend has a one year old and the father walked out when she got pregnant. Acknowledging that there are fathers who abandoned their families IS NOT the same as saying all men do. Its also not saying that mothers never walk out either. Some parents are shitty, some are not.
and then I read a comment like this:
Now how the hell do you think I’m gonna take that? it is SCARY. And makes me not want to listen to what any of you have to say.
Here’s the thing. You could potentially have allies if this misogyny and disturbing alludes to violence and “fucking shit up” was removed. As you’ve seen here already, there are people who do agree with some MRA grievances. We all identify, to my knowledge anyway, as feminist or feminist leaning. So there. If this is not enough to prove that we are not all evil and out to destroy men then I really don’t know what else to say.
And in regards to the custody thing, ultimately both sides need to realize that the children’s best interests should come first. This is why custody issues are extremely complicated. Because not only do the parents rights have to be respected, but now there’s a child involved.
Antz is literally Andrew Jackson, though probably without the mad dueling skills.
Maybe if we start inserting “bigots” into sentences at random, Antz will actually comprehend them.
Antz, bigots no bigots one bigots here bigots is bigots going bigots to bigots fall bigots for bigots your bigots half-assed bigots manipulation bigots and bigots misrepresentation bigots of bigots your bigots links bigots.
Bigots.
Oh look, a sheriff’s deputy spent four hours in jail despite owing $15,000 in back child support.
Gee, I cannot see why that bill is at ALL needed.
@Magpie
“So you reckon we shouldn’t try to reduce violence against women and their children?”
They are not only YOUR CHILDREN. They have fathers too.
Sorry, I know it is taboo to mention, among feminist bigots, that children also have fathers. I know, feminists think of children as property, to do with as they please (before and after birth). I know feminists think of children like credit cards, tools to help finance their lives. But the reality is CHILDREN HAVE FATHERS.
This age, the age of feminist hate, will come to an end. Fathers will again be a part of their children’s lives. And those who fought against this will be remembered as the custodians of hate. The choice is yours. Time is running out. We welcome you with open arms. Leave the forces of hate, and join a movement that is fighting for equality for all. Join the MRM. We need every freedom fighter we can get. We face a terrible evil, and we fight against terrible odds. The forces of evil are lurking ahead, and they have ammassed their vast political, financial, and institutional resources in an effort to protect their own corrupt power and avarice.
These bigots grapes bigots I’m eating bigots sure are tasty bigots.
Bigots.
My bigots green bigots beans bigots are bigots also bigots delicious bigots.
Are bigots they bigots red bigots or bigots white bigots grapes bigots?
Feminist hate.
This age, the age of feminist hate, will come to an end. Fathers will again be a part of their children’s lives. And those who fought against this will be remembered as the custodians of hate. The choice is yours. Time is running out. We welcome you with open arms. Leave the forces of hate, and join a movement that is fighting for equality for all. Join the MRM. We need every freedom fighter we can get. We face a terrible evil, and we fight against terrible odds. The forces of evil are lurking ahead, and they have ammassed their vast political, financial, and institutional resources in an effort to protect their own corrupt power and avarice.
Come over to the dark side! Luke, Antz IS your father!
Noooooooooo!
wtf? Do you have kids AntZ?
Oh, bigots
He bigots has bigots two bigots children bigots if bigots I bigots recall bigots correctly bigots.
Fucking your shit up.
I’m sorry, let me try again:
Bigots, come bigots over to the dark bigots side bigots! Luke bigots, Antz is your bigots father!
Nobigotsooobigotsooobigotsooo!
So how come Antz is so eager to give the men who just simply walk out of the child’s life and never bothers to even try to see the kid, much less any financial support a complete pass?
Oh right, because bigots he bigots cannot bigots admit bigots that bigots there bigots are bigots actual bigots reasons bigots for bigots these bigots law bigots proposals bigots.
Awesome. If only you guys could have worked faster, I might have actually interacted with my dad when we lived in the same house! And then, when my parents split (if they would have at all) they probably would have decided on equal physical custody! Your MRA dreams and my feminist dreams can both come true!
The Australian Government helped some kids I love escape violence by removing them from their mother’s care and placing them with their father.
Bigots, eh?
Sweet holy Jesus, I call for dramatic readings of this NOW.
If I had a camera, I would already be filming it. With a blanket cape around my shoulders. And a Napoleon hat, if I owned one.
Bigots.
Good christ, did he really just make his little “CHILDREN HAVE FATHERS” speech right after insisting it’s unfair that fathers out of a kids’ life be forced to pay child support? That’s almost pathetic.
I actually am a father, so Antz can fuck right off.
Or, to put it in language he can understand: fucking your shit up right bigots off. Also, blood on your hands.
Lauralot – seconded. Dramatic readings!
“Now how the hell do you think I’m gonna take that? it is SCARY. And makes me not want to listen to what any of you have to say.”
Why do you think that man wants to buy guns and amo? Because he knows that he cannot get help in any other way. That is his last recourse.
You think you are scared? How scared do you think that father has to be, to buy a gun every week? He is so scared, he thinks he is going to fight against the entire city’s police force. This is the price of mass disposession and dehumanization of all men by the state, under the direction of feminist governance.
How would guns and ammo help? Help what?