Men oppressed by not being allowed to bitch about ladies in public restrooms
I'm pretty sure this happens more often than conversations in men's restrooms
A startling new development on the frontiers of anti-male oppression. According to the loquacious lady MRA known as girlwriteswhat on Reddit, men are being oppressed by evil feminist dudes cruelly clamping down on their right to bitch about ladies in the bathroom. In a recent comment she writes:
No space is allowed to be male-only, or male-viewpoint-only, but women insist on female-only or female-viewpoint-only spaces all the time.
The only male safe space left on the planet is the men’s bathroom, ffs. And even then, there will be feminist-leaning men policing what is said. It’s very frustrating.
As a dude feminist who is a regular user of men’s restrooms, I should note that dudes do not actually talk in restrooms.
Happily, this does not prevent me, as a dude feminist, from policing the non-existent speech of other dudes in said restrooms.
Here is the complete transcript of a restroom discussion I recently policed:
Dude One: [silently urinates]
Dude Two: [silently urinates]
Dude Three: [silently poops]
Me: Goddessdamnit, keep it down with all your lady-bashing! Men are bad!
Always glad to help.
HT to Shit Reddit Says, which has just ended its month-long moratorium on r/mensrights posts, for pointing me to girlwriteswhat’s observation.
Posted on February 1, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, bullying, I'm totally being sarcastic, misandry, MRA, oppressed men, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 520 Comments.
AntZ: So, uh, who are the good apples? I mean, besides Feminist Critics (doesn’t identify as MRA) and Fathers & Families (same).
Also I am capable of empathizing with people of all genders? Because I’m cool and have empathy like that. So.
“.. act on the part of the judge to award custody to the current custodial parent who moved to make a better life for her kids ..”
Read her story again. She agrees with the judge’s ruling (as do most MRAs). She was appalled that the judge did not even listen to the ex-husband or look at the evidence that he presented.
Who in your book is a bad apple in the MRM? Paul Elam? W.F Price? Ferdinand? The guy who wrote that women’s suffrage has contributed to the downfall of Western civilzation? They all seem to be well liked by MRAs.
@Crumbelievable: The suffering of women (or particularly feminists!) isn’t real unless it turns them into MRM supporters, right? :-)
That is a masterpiece of understatement.
A few bad apples. LOL. The whole barrel has fermented.
@Antz: I am sorry you were unable to understand my point. Please show where I argued “That men and boys do not deserve equal protection under the law because some of the people who advocate for men and boys are too angry to be objective?” Because I am pretty damn sure I never argued that.
@ozymandias42
Examples of good apples (by no means a complete list):
A voice for men
The spearhead (despite occasional traditionalist hangover)
Ah of course, Zarat’s list of good apples is a lot of all the bad apples.
I just read that and all I can conclude is that she has a pretty deep well of self-loathing. She’s been treated absolutely terribly by many men, including the father of her children, and she concludes that somehow men are victims of women being treated preferentially? Because a judge concluded she was right to move for financial reasons away from her ex who rarely saw his kids and didn’t pay child support? Really?
a list of all the bad apples*
You came up with 2 examples and both are horrendous.
I don’t even know how to respond…
“I just read that and all I can conclude is that she has a pretty deep well of self-loathing.”
I often think the same thing about men who support feminists. Who knows? It is hard to fathom people’s motivations. Not everyone is as transparent as Hugo Schwyzer.
That “the judge didn’t even look at his evidence” argument is bullshit, she can’t possibly know that. Does she really think that those papers lawyers file aren’t read prior to the case being heard?
@Anthony Zarat
I hate hugo schwyzer too
I’m so wounded that Antsy thinks girlwriteswhat is better than all of us. Ergo continent-wide gender segregation.
@Newt
Now that he has become harmless, I only pity Hugo. I always thought Schwyzer would be tough take-down for the MRM. I was so pleased that you did this job for us.
Thanks.
Also, even if I do hear anti-feminist bullshit in the bathroom, I’m not going to confront anybody about it. That’s the bathroom, yo. Save it for the hallway.
[silently poops]
AntZ, do you have any comprehension that people turned against Hugo for a reason (his sexual exploitation of students, attempted murder of an ex-girlfriend, and creepy not-quite-sorry attitudes toward both)? It’s not like we just suddenly decided he had to be taken down because those are our fickle ways.
@ozymandias42
“AntZ: So, uh, who are the good apples? I mean, besides Feminist Critics (doesn’t identify as MRA) and Fathers & Families (same). ”
I am beginning to think that there is hope for you, so I am going to clue you in:
>>> Non-productive anger can have reactive value <<<
Look at the origins of feminism for an example. Or any other successful civil rights movement in history.
@Caraz: “You came up with 2 examples and both are horrendous. I don’t even know how to respond…”
I had a feeling Zarat would list the absolute worst examples and he did not disappoint.
The MRM of course would totally be fine with a female ally that attempted to murder her boyfriend in the past, right?
@Zarat:
I don’t recall MLK saying, “The idea of fucking up white supremacist’s shit gives me an erection.”
When did Susan B. Anthony say, “”Progress for women will not be gained by debate, reason or typical channels of grievance available to segments of the population that the world actually gives a damn about. The progress we need will only be realized by inflicting enough pain on the agents of hate, in public view, that it literally shocks society out of its current coma”?
@Crumbelievable
“I don’t recall MLK saying …”
MLK would have been nothing without the black panthers.
She gets validation, very obviously. From you, Antz, for starters. It could very well be one of her motivation. Like most people who seek validation, it doesn’t implies her scheming how to get it. The “I’m not like other women, please accept me in your boys club” is hardly unusual.
Another gem from girlwriteswhat in this post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/p6jbc/while_you_slept_last_month_in_rmensrights/
Six boxes down from the top. Keep in mind that what she says is in reference to this image:
As a man, I’d be saying “good for you.”
I can tell which burns more, the stupidity or the irony.
Can’t, I mean. But actually I can. It’s the stupidity.
It really isn’t. I’ve seen it a lot. It does make it that much harder for women like me who have interests that attract more men than women. I have more male friends than female but I have to weed out the guys who think that I’m the type who will tear down other women in order to fit in. I don’t know which are the worst in those situations, that type, the ones who think I’m there to meet guys, or the ones who think I’m only there because my boyfriend is (and don’t think types 2&3 are mutually exclusive).
Apparently GWW is joining NWO on the list of people who owe me a thorough description of an outfit that won’t make my body public property.
Her definition might be more realist since she has to actually wear it. I’m guessing anything under the knee and not too much cleavage, and whatever you wear it mustn’t be too sexy. This last part being the trickiest of course.
@Holly
How many volumes has the list reached so far?
@Moewicus:
Of course MRAs are upset by the image of a woman fighting back against harassment and sexual objectification.
Someone is clearly not familiar with Male Restroom Etiquette. Fortunately someone has taken it upon themselves to provide an instructional video.
I just can’t get my head around why anyone would think it’s okay to touch or otherwise molest someone based on what their wearing. It’s so outside the norm among the people I associate with on a day to day basis. Most of my friends, male and female, have seen me nearly if not completely naked and I don’t think they would even consider touching me without my consent. I just don’t get it and the fact that I see the opinion expressed so often really scares me and makes me want to retreat into my bubble of friends and not deal with the outside world more and more.
@Zarat:
“MLK would have been nothing without the black panthers.”
Learn 2 History. Seriously. There’s ignorance, and then there’s this.
I’ve seen some of her youtube videos and she speaks really well. I also pretty much agree with her stance on male reproductive rights. I completely disagree with her views on rape though. On her blog she engages in the same victim blaming, “oh rape is not so bad a crime” thinking that most, if not all, MRAs engage it. Its disgusting and especially confusing coming from someone who says she’s been sexually assaulted and harrassed at work to the point of quitting, yet she shits all over the feminists who fight against these things. Way to bite the hand that feeds you.
Which reminds me, MRAs want society to acknowledge male victims of rape…a totally reasonable request. Yet they want women to shut up about their rape. They want feminists to shut up about rape culture- a culture that actually perpetuates the idea that men can’t be victims of rape. They insist on victim blaming. This makes NO sense. It is not reasonable to say “shut up about rape, its mostly false accusers anyway, but think about the male victims” Why not just band together to stop rape period? oh yeah…because they’re MRAs. They could care less about women, unless said women completely renounce all feminism and pretend the crap women have to go through doesn’t exist
Also in the GMP article she talks about proving herself, proving her credentials to the MRM because they don’t trust women. Yet would it be appropriate for a black person to prove themselves to a bunch of racists? to prove that they aren’t like those other crime-causing, rap-loving blacks? no. Because that would be racist and downright offensive.
It’s also interesting how she’s a divorced single mother with custody, the worst offenders to MRAs, yet the accept her. Whatever though, if she feels comfortable being around angry misogynists all day who think its acceptable to regard all women with contempt because some have been screwed in a divorce and are angry, then its her choice. That wouldn’t be acceptable with race though.
And yes, a woman’s body is not public property even if she is wearing a go-go dancer’s costume. It is neither right nor socially acceptable to start randomly touching or harassing people simply because they exist. People with common sense realize this.
That Reddit comment is the worst thing GWW has said. I had thought maybe she meant well in saying she supports men’s issues but now I can see she’s just a female misogynist like Ann Coulter or Sharon Angle.
You and me both. Not only with that, but with all the other horrid things MRAs and PUAs say about women and even the way they describe men.
I’m pretty much convinced that Girl Writes What is falsifying this whole persona to sell her books (aka the Ann Coulter plan for success). I’d investigate further, but my god she’s boring.
@Quackers: GWW said that Elam and the MRAs accept her because she didn’t receive any money from her ex at all, unlike those awful conniving feminist bitches that receive alimony. This is also why she thinks of herself as self-sufficient, while at the same time arguing that women overall are not self-sufficient.
Jeez, Zarat, you’re a fucking moron.
My first thought was “the judge lives in the community, the chances of her not realising that the economy sucks that badly is nil.” The second was “if there has been some issues in the past, the judge probably already knows the parties and knows that the father is not that great of a parent. That typically means that even without the prep, the judge probably was not going to make a different decision.”
@Magnesium
“I’m pretty much convinced that Girl Writes What is falsifying this whole persona to sell her books.”
Do you realize that nobody knows who she is? Her pen name is a secret between her and God. Kind of tough to buy her books when I don’t know who she is.
In any case, it is a very interesting new twist on “blame the victim.” No MRA that I am aware of has ever accused someone of intentionally getting raped in order to “sell books”. Nice work, there.
Hey Zarat: You, of all people, have no place accusing others of victim-blaming.
Go play with your VR sexbots.
Accusing someone of lying: very very different from saying she was “intentionally getting raped”.
@Crumbelievable
I really want to know the exact number of women that receive alimony. My mom never got alimony or the house. Another friend refused child support for her kid but the judge enforced it anyway. Another friend is not getting a cent from her kid’s father because he disappeared nor does she want it. And not only alimony, they also think child support means women are not self-sufficient. It’s MONEY FOR YOUR FUCKING KID. Money you would still be paying if you were still married. Argh!
I don’t care…do away with alimony and child support, but there better be another way to make sure children and newly single mothers who stayed at home during the marriage aren’t rotting in the streets. Social security programs, extra money for single parents, better child care services…whatever. Either way even if child support and alimony are done away with, MRAs will STILL bitch about the now horrible single mother government welfare suckers.
Antz (or should we just call you Straw Man since you excel at misrepresenting other people’s positions):
No one here has accused GWW of intentionally getting raped in order to sell books. Stop making stuff up.
Thank you.
“I also pretty much agree with her stance on male reproductive rights.”
I am at a loss for words, Quackers! I thought you were a bigot.
My God, this is 90% of the MRM! A feminist who supports shared physical?!? What are you doing here? We need you, Quackers! Abandon these boobz and join the MRM!
Eh, hate to say it, but I’m in agreement with Zarat. I see no reason to think that GWW is lying about her experiences. Unless Magnesium is saying that he/she thinks GWW is creating a pro-MRM persona to sell books, I find the statement problematic too.
It’s still not victim-blaming.
I have seen one, however, with abysmal reading comprehension.
Man, she makes me feel bad about wanting to encourage more women into the games industry. I mean, I was only one woman in a class of 50 but surely that’s enough, right? I should probably dismount my high horse and ignore all my concerns. For the menz!
I am at a loss for words, Quackers! I thought you were a bigot.
That’s likely due your bigotry, Zarat.
As a note: I’m assuming that Magnesium’s state was, in fact, about her persona to sell books.
@Lauralot
I misread AntZ earlier. I don’t see any reason to take Magnesium’s post the way he did, but I do find it problematic. So yeah, not victim blaming, but still over the line.
Assuming that the comment was in reference to her “I’m not at all like those other women!” persona, I don’t see it as over the line. If it was a comment regarding her statements about sexual assault, then yes, that would be over the line.
Unless Magnesium meant it the way you took it, of course.
@Lauralot
In full agreement with you then
“Either way even if child support and alimony are done away with, MRAs will STILL bitch about the now horrible single mother government welfare suckers.”
You should read what we write, Quackers. The problem with child support is that it creates an incentive for mothers to take full custody, which means a visitation “play date” schedule and the end to any meaningful father-child relationship.
Here is the equation:
Child support laws => Mothers want exclusive custody => Fathers don’t get to see their children
This is why the MRM supports the presumption of shared physical custody, either 1 week/1 week (if both parents live in the same city) or 1 year/1 year (if parents are far from each other). It is 100% fair, better for the children, much better for fathers, and (in the long run) better for mothers. There are many testimonials from mothers who thought full shared custody would be bad, and ended up loving the freedom that it gives them. Freedom to date, to prioritize career, to have hobbies, etc. It is better for everyone. The legal system causes the problem by dangling big $$$ child support carrots in front of mothers.
Why feminists continue to fight to separate fathers from their children, I don’t know. You don’t belong with these people, Quackers.
Yes, Quackers, join the bigots! Someday, they’ll be able to fuck Sims!
Antz, why are you even here?
AntZ: One of your moderates is the Spearhead, which has on the front page compared best-interests-of-the-child family law to a black widow spider devouring her mate to nurture her eggs.
Also, I’m not against people being angry. I’m angry myself quite often. I’m against hatred and stupidity, both of which the MRM has in spades.
“My God, this is 90% of the MRM!”
You guys sure don’t talk it very much. 90% of what you talk about seems to involve making vague, violent proclamations, encouraging rape and death threats against feminist bloggers, and working to promote the idea that all women who claim to be raped are liars. Any actual issues you guys bring up accounts for a single digit percentage of MRM discussion
Also it makes me feel dirty when Antz approves of me.
@Shadow
Don’t give Lauralot too hard of a time. I always assume the worst possible meaning when any feminist says something ambiguous. It comes with the job.
Child support is about a quarter of what it takes to raise a child.
SO MUCH WEALTH
90% of the MRM according to Zarat: Shared custody (which he sure as hell doesn’t talk about).
90% of the MRM according to their websites: Bitches ain’t shit and they ought to be rape slaves/killed.
I always assume the worst possible meaning when any feminist says something ambiguous. It comes with the job.
We already know you’re a disingenuous sleazy shit, Zarat. We really don’t need more convincing.
Seriously, someone ought to make a banner of that ambiguous statement quote. It could be a motto of the MRM, even more so if the “ambiguous” was removed.
“Antz, why are you even here?”
Because you insulted an MRA freedom fighter. I always check what goes on here, but I only troll you, when you troll us. I am surprised that you have not noticed the pattern yet.:
You never hear from me when you talk about cats doing silly things, or other irrelevant issues.
You never hear from me when you talk about twisted feminist ideas about custody, or other relevant issues.
GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE SEX BOTS.
That is the only thing that made you memorable.