Upvoted on Reddit: “The problems in the sex [tourism] industry are mostly women’s fault.”
Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
Posted on January 23, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, asian fetishist, creepy, evil women, lying liars, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, patriarchy, pussy cartel, racism, rapey, reactionary bullshit, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 644 Comments.
Embedding’s actually easier than you think :) just copy the URL, no HTML required!
burgundy, you just have to post the link, there is no embedding o_o I messed up my first time too
@Shadow
I hadn’t even heard of Pez. Should check that out.
Of course you don’t have any problems with “them”. You essentially pretend they don’t exist. Not racist at all.
You don’t need the open brackets at the beginning, just the link.
My ex calls this the poltergeist song – video possibly NSFW.
(Tall skinny dude in the leather pants and all the necklaces – sexiest man I’ve ever met. From now on I’m going to talk about this stuff just to annoy MRAL, until he goes and gets the therapy that will render it no longer annoying to him.)
Huh. I tried to follow their little embedding instructions, but you just paste the url? Ok, I’m doing this just to prove that I can. And because I’m feverish again, and so freaking bored after several days of being sick.
(David, if it still doesn’t work, can you just delete the comment?)
Right now I’m listening to Eric Clapton’s Layla, one of my favs! But probably not a good answer to your mix tape question.
@Cassandra
Mmmm…The Cure <3
MRAL, weren’t you one of the people sending Hugo those threats you keep mentioning?
We could do a list of songs guaranteed to make your significant other either paranoid or sad.
Or just scared for their safety. (Why doesn’t everyone realize how creepy this song is? I heard it at a wedding once and was like…really?)
don’t listen to J-pop much but I really like this one
@ Quackers
Favorite JPop song (as in pop, not rock, even though this guy is normally more of a rocker).
@katz, that Cake song is total win. Especially since “Short Skirt Long Jacket” is already sort of our song. Definitely going into the mix.
@Quackers, mmm indeed. When I was a teenager, I had so many Cure posters that I ran out of room on my walls and had to put a big poster of Robert Smith over my bed.
People not getting that Every Breath You Take is creepy astonish me. It’s not even failed attempt at romantic song creepy; it’s intended to be that way.
It’s even more obvious than American Woman being totally anti-American (although I guess the Lenny Kravitz version is supposed to actually be about a woman?)
J-Pop and Canto-pop set my teeth on edge. Which is particularly unfortunate because I have a fondness for Sammi Cheng movies
@lowquacks
Dude is ridiculous. He can get conspiracy theoryish at times, but he’s consistently entertaining and thoughtful, and technically flawless. I really like The Hills’ Summerland too.
Exactly! Sting wrote the damn thing and even he says that it’s creepy.
RE American Woman, it fits right alongside all the idiots who don’t realise that Born in the USA is a protest song.
Awesome breakupish song
the beat is sublime
And who think Rockin’ In The Free World is a party anthem!
@Cassandra
One of my fave J-rock songs :)
Actually, on the JPop front (sorry Shadow), since this is an anti-misogyny blog I have to post this one. How can you not love a sexy alterna guy whose first single was called Girls Be Ambitious?
(And on the annoying MRAL front – see how pretty he is? Those tattoos are fucking awesome in real life.)
Most of this shit is crap. Listen to some real music, like the stuff I posted, the work of actual artists.
Does anyone know the Black Keys song Never Gonna Give You Up? Is it supposed to be horrible? The first verse is
Never gonna give you up
No matter how you treat me
Never gonna give you up
So don’t you think of leaving
I mean, no one could possibly think that was ok, right? It’s like Sex Type Thing, it’s written to expose a particularly toxic viewpoint, right?
You mean like your asinine “A Voice for Men” song?
I’m actually not sure where they were going with that (Black Keys), could be either very clever or totally clueless.
@burgundy
something nice to look at before falling asleep xD
I love my randomizer. (Because as a feminist I want to destroy all men, naturally)
I don’t know if they’re making a point or not, but either way, probably not right for your purposes XD.
and my favorite robot musicians…
Look, feminists! In a band! And they’re not singing about hating men!
Sorry MRAL, I forgot that the purpose of music is to make yourself feel better than other people. :P
At least one person didn’t figure out that American Woman wasn’t pro-American:
i actually see it a lot where (white, hetero) men are totally good and understanding of other groups issues but very hostile towards women and women’s issues. i think it’s pretty simple that it’s cause women have more power to hurt THEIR feelings personally and it’s easier to take it out on all women. it’s among the reasons feminism and gender issues will always be different than certain other issues, we live under the same roofs and such.
It’s like the mp3 player knows that there’s a pretentious asshole in the virtual room…
@Viscaria, oh I know. :D I was more wondering if it belonged in the “creepy-ass song” category with Every Breath You Take.
I am, however, using Tighten Up.
Oh gosh if we’re doing MUPPETS:
By the way, is it weird that most of my music knowledge is about stuff that was written before there was a me?
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DcuwoUM4oYe0#at=15
@CassandraSays
The thing is, I don’t speak japanese or cantonese (or any other east asian language for that matter) so my appreciation of the scene is very shallow as it is. Combine that with a general preference for chest thumping music and you can see why we are not a match made in heaven loll
@MRAL
While I got love for Thom Yorke, I have a feeling that hearing him try to do what the artists that people have been posting do would be painful, to say the least
@Viscaria
As a huge Marvin Gaye and Bob Marley fan, I stand before you to tell you that you are not alone
*salutes his fellow soldier*
these gals would give Meller a heart attack lol
On the one hand, we have pandering fluff that takes no effort to discern and understand. On the other (mine) we have thought-provoking classical or neoclassical art that takes a sophisticated mind. I know which one I’m going for.
Viscaria: Not at all. Most music was written before there was a you, so most of the good music probably was, too.
@Crumbelievable
Yay, Sleater-Kinney!
Beyond that: can we combine the scary-creepy and break-up songs?
I don’t troll anymore u guyz I had one of those CHANGE OF HEARTS
But also you’re all terrible and I hate your taste in music and murder is not really a big deal if you’re on substances
Nobody loves meeeeeeee
@ Shadow
Here you go, then. The language barrier doesn’t really matter in this case, since their singer manages to be incomprehensible in at least 5 languages.
And yeah, I wouldn’t put any Radiohead on a romantic mix tape unless you want the other person to get entirely the wrong idea.
And as a digestif, another Meller song and another Regurgitator song perhaps?
Quackers: You’ve just made me realize what must be DKM’s absolute favorite band.
The Pussycat Dolls.
Oh, are we trying to scare Meller now? Cool. Check out the dainty, submissive little flower of a Taiwanese womanhood on bass.
On the one hand, we have a walking cliché who thinks liking Radiohead makes him deep. On the other, we have a bunch of people who don’t give a shit what he thinks. I know which one I’m going for.
PS MRAL – I think she’s taller than you.
Disturbing tale of a break up.. hella disturbing (and an amazing show of lyricism and storytelling)
@CassandraSays
No idea what dude’s saying, but there’s something about guitar riffs that gets my blood pumping loll
Oh, and since I mentioned it before, and have since found this and learned how to embed…
Fun song about sex, and also probably abhorrent to DKM.
To be fair, unlike his misogyny, the “liking Radiohead makes me deep” thing is common in people his age, and something he may grow out of.
Seriously though, I think Doris (Chthonic’s bassist) may well be the best answer to all the MRA “well I’ll just go find a submissive wife in Asia” bullshit.
also, apropos of nothing, the saddest song I’ve ever heard
Also if we’re playing the music geek game, liking Avril Lavigne immediately ruins any credibility you may have hoped to convey.
Not that anyone else is playing that game, I’m just saying.
And we’re back to sexy goths! I’m beginning to think there’s a hidden requirement for Manboobz membership involving a love of people in black eyeliner.
Radiohead is not “deep” or obscure or anything other than mainstream. MRAL is trying to be all pretentious. I’ll assume he was being sarcastic when he posted Avril Lavigne.
@katz
LOL!
@Cassandra
it’s just so damn hot. In addition to the dudes, I also love goth women too, and punk, and emo…and anything that involves wacky hair, eyeliner and tattoos….
Lolll. I actually have a bit of a goth aversion, Amy Lee’s one of my few exceptions. But that voice, OMG that voice. And awww at Avril, she was actually a hidden guilty pleasure of mine for a while :$
I actually still have love for this track
This might be one of the saddest songs I’ve ever heard :(
Damn, I really need to go to sleep.
@Shadow
Pfft! women don’t understand heartbreak or betrayal! I’m sure what Amy Lee is really singing about is how her man isn’t alpha enough.
Huh. Dunno what I did wrong there. The link works, anyway.
I actually don’t find goth culture/goth guys and ladies sexy, myself. Shrug!
@ Quackers
Actually I’m assuming he was trying to pull a music snob and a women I want to bang in the same thread, and as usual hoping that nobody would point out the discrepency. Not that it can’t be both at once, but in Avril’s case…
BTW OT but on the theme of geekboys and sexism, I saw something particularly ridiculous at Xmas. So it was a show where all these geekboys were talking about games and randomly started talking music, and one of them named top current female artists (Adele, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj) and then smugly stated that it was the first time ever that he didn’t want to fuck any of them. Cue much snickering about how they’re all so ugly among every single dude in the group.
Nicki Minaj. And RIHANNA.
this is my favorite sad song
I saw them play once, in Rhode Island. Amanda Palmer is an amazing performer.
And now this, by an Italian dude singing in gibberish meant to sound like American English: