Upvoted on Reddit: “The problems in the sex [tourism] industry are mostly women’s fault.”
Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
Posted on January 23, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, asian fetishist, creepy, evil women, lying liars, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, patriarchy, pussy cartel, racism, rapey, reactionary bullshit, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 644 Comments.
Why everyone thinks this is the MRAL Show is beyond me. We’re having (more like I’m having, while you babble) an intellectual discussion about men’s role in feminist discourse.
I have. I guarantee you a shitload of people on this board have. In fact I can guarantee you that the amount of weed I smoke is a shit ton more than you, and I am a relatively light user. The majority of people have been completely fucked up multiple times. There is a reason Hugo’s behaviour is considered abhorrent, and that’s because it is.
Oh look, it’s the MRAL show. Again. Can’t we watch reruns of CSI instead?
Ashley showing up in the last thread to talk about how awesome B_don is, MRAL supporting Hugo in his time of need…I need to go outside and check for flying pigs.
No, you’re babbling in an attempt to paint yourself as the constant victim,
Get offline. Get help.
@Lauralot
I’m revisiting my tech-death days with Death’s cover of “Painkiller”, and Chuck Schuldiner is really no Rob Halford. At all.
I’ve got my entire library on shuffle, though. I’ll likely end up with something entirely different next. Which is nice. I like genre whiplash quite a bit.
I’m not entirely sure pop music (in the broadest possible sense – essentially, music that’s not traditional, art music, or jazz music) has changed much at all from the ’60s, but it’s still my favourite thing ever.
You know, I’ve done some wacky shit when I was under the influence, but I’ve never attempted to kill anyone. And if I had I wouldn’t expect people to forgive me for it. “Well he was wasted and it was a long time ago” is a pretty weak defence for attempted murder.
@Lauralot
I’m listening to VNV Nation- Kingdom :)
Also you are the only one here who thinks the attempted murder of a woman was not as big of a deal as the depression, attempted suicide, and drug use of the man.
Yeah, Pink is fucking hot, I’d pound her in a second.
Lauralot, I found no more mr nice guy’s blog post on Norwegian Forest Cats to be quite charming and delightful.
How has your night been?
“implies that she didn’t disclose her gender because females get more such threats, which is untrue- look at Schwyzer. ”
There are people threatening to rape Hugo with chainsaws? What fascinating imaginary news. I wasn’t aware that David had linked us over to The Onion.
@ Lauralot
The Cure’s Inbetween Days. Before that it was Russian Circles.
@ersatzmoons
Ooh, Norwegian Forest Cats! I think one of my cats is either part-Norwegian Forest Cat or part-Maine Coon! I love enormous, fluffy cats. A friend of mine has a Maine Coon roughly the size if a small refrigerator which is about the cutest thing ever.
MRAL, when did anyone mention Pink?
ersatzmoons, thank God for that video. Let’s please turn this into a thread of cat videos. (Are Norwegian forest cats related to Siberians? They look similar.)
Look, I guess we’d just disagree. I don’t find his story to be that big of a deal. On the other hand, I do find him to be a misandrist, so I suppose being excommunicated from feminism can only be a good thing. Less male-bashing. So screw it. I don’t know why I’ve gotten so invested, I don’t like the guy. Go ahead and mob him.
My night’s been pretty good. Hanging out with my roommates and reading Dos Passos for class. Oh, and coffee flavored ice cream. How I love it.
Predicted genre whiplash occured btw, if anyone’s interested. Currently: Lushlife’s “Adult Goth” with Heems.
While we’re on Heems, any Das Racist fans here? They’re one of my favourite currently-going-somewhere groups at the moment.
Lauralot, listening to Brigitte Fontaine, “Les beaux animaux”
Marvo Ging by The Chemical Brothers
“Look, I guess we’d just disagree. I don’t find his story to be that big of a deal.”
And that tells us everything that we need to know about you. Now go away and get the therapy that you so desperately need.
Moving on, I just made a really awesome stir fry – chicken and mushrooms in black bean sauce.
Ooh, ooh, a music conversation! I can do that.
I have lately been rotating between Florence + the Machine and the Muppets soundtrack. Was anyone else disappointed in the second Florence album relative to the first? Also, the other day I followed a recommendation on iTunes and ended up downloading an album by The National, whom I had never previously heard of. For someone who was totally obsessive about musicians when she was younger, there is something oddly refreshing about listening to someone I know absolutely nothing about. I don’t know the names of the musicians, or where they’re from, or what other stuff they’ve done, or what they look like, or anything. The songs are entirely free from any sort of context.
Oh, and I’m also putting together a… can I still call it a mixtape? I think of them as mixtapes, even though I’ll be burning it to CD… anyway, I’m putting together a playlist for my boyfriend, since his birthday and our 6-month anniversary are both coming up. Finding relatively lighthearted, non-codependent love songs is actually quite challenging. Anyone have any suggestions? I’m including stuff like:
– Talking Heads, “This Must be the Place”
– Florence + the Machine, “All This and Heaven Too”
– Lightning Seeds, “Pure”
– Muppets soundtrack, “Life’s a Happy Song”
My task is complicated by the fact that I have made similar playlists for other people, and don’t feel comfortable repeating songs. This is not a downside of polyamory that people often mention.
And now I’m listening to…
(PS, in reference to the other thread – feminists are totally anti-sex, you guys, which explains why I would like to rip the main singer here’s pants off with my teeth.)
Mix CDs! I still do those, for use on car trips. It’s fun finding old ones, since it tells me what I was listening to during particular time periods.
P.M. Dawn, On a clear day
Let’s just agree to disagree, people. You think being murdered is a big deal, I think it isn’t, OK?
@ burgandy
The Cure – Friday I’m In Love
I’m currently listening to keyboard cat :)
MRAL, posting this for your reference, please do yourself a favour as men are notoriously bad at seeking help: http://bu.edu/cwc/contact.html
Also Just Like Heaven.
And I’ve decided that industrial isn’t the best thing to listen to before I try to sleep, so I’ve switched to the ever wonderful They Might Be Giants:
Lowquacks, that’s the way to do it. It’s like you’re listening to the world’s craziest DJ, except they’re somehow magically only playing songs you like.
After Ms.Fontaine, some completely obscure African music I found on a blog. Then an old Bollywood song sung by Asha Bhosle. Now Jane’s Addiction.
We could do best non-creeptastic songs about sex…
PJ Harvey and Liz Phair both have some pretty awesome songs about sex. Look up the lyrics for “Flower”, but not at work.
Also Just Like Heaven.
I love that song so fucking much.
@burgundy
I’m surprised you haven’t heard of The National. They had a #1 album and saturation-level hype in at least the part of the internet I frequent.
Interesting question with the mixtape thing. I’m making a few for friends who are going away to university at the moment based around their chosen majors, and I’m having similar trouble getting everything just right.
I had a playlist of essentially “relatively lighthearted, non-codepedent love songs” somewhere, but it looks to have disappeared. Sorry about that. I think it opened with Gerry & The Pacemakers’ “How Do You Do It?”, if that helps.
lowquacks – I love maine coons too! My dad has three, Sa, Bob and Tom, they are the sweetest, fluffy, purr-muffins in the universe. Sam is the only cat I’ve ever met that comes when called and greets everyone at the door.
katz – my Encyclopedia of Cats book lists Siberians as Siberian Forest Cats, so I would make a guess that Siberians are Russian versions of the Norwegians or vice versa.
Ma Rabu , the Maccabeats
My other complication on the mix CD is that I am incredibly picky about these things, because the songs have to resonate somehow with the way I feel about the person (which is another reason I can’t reuse songs from someone else’s CD. Hell, my girlfriend and I broke up before I finished the latest one for her, and I still don’t feel like I can use those songs, because those are her songs.) I am a huge Cure fan and have been for 20 years but I just don’t think any of their stuff quite works with this guy.
That PM Dawn song may be quite promising, though. I need to listen to the sample a couple more times. Thanks!
Burgundy, maybe Queen, “you’re my best friend.”
Or this song by the Kinks:
The gender’s wrong, but who cares?
Lauralot: That’s my favorite TMBG song!
No One Knows My Plan, that is.
The Maccabeats version of Bad Day, from the album Voices from the Heights
Arguably a bit codependent, but still a great song. (And the only band I’ve ever worked with that made me feel a little starstruck…couldn’t help it, I’ve loved them since I was a teenager.)
ChaChaKrahp…
Another MRA with an anal/scatological username. Why am I not surprised.
@Katz: My favorite TMBG song is tied between “No One Knows My Plan” and “Where Your Eyes Don’t Go.” “Four of Two” is also high on my list.
@Bostonian
I haven’t heard a single song of theirs but they’re locked in hip hop history after that KRS confrontation.
Currently listening to some Aussie hip hop. Them boys don’t play!
At this rate, the card will have to say “Happy birthday from [burgundy] and all the folks at Man Boobz.” You guys rock.
burgundy – The Compromise by the Format is a relationshipy song for me, but I’m not much of a music junkie or know your tastes/relationship.
the video is origami awesome
@Shadow
re:Aus-hop, which group? Only people from around here I can really get into are TZU and a local group called Free Agent Crew.
Arguably, Regurgitator and Butterfingers have had their moments in the genre, but Butterfingers are more jokey and Regurgitator more a genre-hopping rock group.
And then of course there inevitably comes the breakup song.
How about Love You Madly? I also like that the music video is a complete non sequitur.
@lowquack: “A quick question: what exactly Paul Elam got against Australia? Even for him, he extraordinarly little actual content or reasoning behind why he thinks it’s some hellhole run by Evil Feminists”
Some of the leaders of that Radfem site had a conference in Sydney recently. I think that’s part of it.
Or it could be, as David suggested, because of feminist koalas.
Honestly, any time an MRA tells me how such and such place is ruled by horribly-oppressive feminist regime, it only makes me want to travel there even more.
No Air (duet with Chris Brown), Jordin Sparks
Apparently it’s old favorite bands from my teens night.
@lowquacks
I forgot you’re from Aus! I’m listening to Pez’s A mind of my own right now, it’s tied for favorite Aussie album with Illy’s Long Story Short. I don’t really follow the Aussie scene per se, I just happen to hear of a dope album once in a while. I haven’t checked out Tzu, but I’ve heeard good things about them.
This track always puts a smile on my face. The perfect smoking track too.
I think it was a hit out there innit?
Oy, break-up songs. Just after Thanksgiving, I broke up with the guy I’d been dating rather seriously for 9 months. For a while I was playing this song over and over, singing along and crying. I wish the video weren’t so cracktacular.
Fortunately, I have since learned a bunch of things about him that make me happy I’m not involved with him anymore. I mean, it’s unfortunate that they’re true, but it made me miss him less.
Dammit! My very first embedding, and it failed! What did I do wrong?
For another awesome use of that sample
Lauralot, the French Pamm video was hilarious