Upvoted on Reddit: “The problems in the sex [tourism] industry are mostly women’s fault.”
Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
Posted on January 23, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, asian fetishist, creepy, evil women, lying liars, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, patriarchy, pussy cartel, racism, rapey, reactionary bullshit, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 644 Comments.
I’ve always ignored Schwyzer. What in kittens are you babbling about, and is this related to your chronic illiteracy?
I would be interested to know what important MRA talking points are then, because apparently people like Paul Elam and W.F Price don’t focus on any.
@ Rutee
Now I have an image of MRAL attempting to walk with a book on his head and learn how to properly consume tea in my head, since my brain initially scanned your comment as “finishing school”. For this I thank you.
@CassandraSays
Oh no, I completely agree with you that the post seems phoney. I was just responding to the “isn’t actually Thai” to say that there are people that clueless to be found in the 3rd world countries themselves (and you seem to have similar exposure as me, not an ex but an ex-aunt)
Well, I still disagree, Jessonian. I don’t know what you want me to say? You’re just wrong. I’ve been a little boy, and you haven’t, so why don’t you shut your pie hole about things you don’t know anything about.
MRAL: There are feminist USIANs (not all are white and straight and middle class–though the feminist blogosphere largely is).
Here’s a NOT white straight middle class feminist criticizing Feministe/Jill F. on her handling of the Schwyzer situation:
http://lubiddu.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/open-letter-to-jill-filopovic/
Plus, asshole, there are feminist movements in all sorts of countries that are created by the women there:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Japanese+feministshttp://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/asia.html
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Saudi+Arabia+feminists#pq=saudi+arabia+feminists&hl=en&sugexp=pfwl&tok=7eNwh1q4SRpgt9vRSKiejw&cp=11&gs_id=19&xhr=t&q=Islamic+feminism&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=Islamis+fem&aq=0l&aqi=g-l4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2303290c933ce3a0&biw=1024&bih=475
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/asia.html
Typical, your stone ignorance of the rest of the world.
@ Shadow
It caused quite the scandal when, a few years after his divorce, my ex’s father married his longtime maid (the family were fine with him sleeping with her, but marrying her was another thing entirely). That should give you a sense of the kind of people we’re talking about. It’s been more than 15 years and my ex’s mom still treats her ex-husband’s current wife like the maid.
(One of the many reasons I’m still fond of my ex is that he finds this totally unacceptable and has consistently tried to get his mom to knock it off.)
I’ve been a little boy, and you haven’t, so why don’t you shut your pie hole about things you don’t know anything about.
I propose a deal: we will shut our pie holes about things we don’t know anything about (despite things like knowing other men and boys, and reading peer-reviewed literature, and things like that) the very moment that you, never having been a woman or a feminist, shut your fucking trap about what we supposedly believe. How’s that?
Dare we ask MRAL what his childhood was like?
Well MRAL, I’ve been a little boy AND I’ve been a woman. Ergo, you shut YOUR pie hole :-)
I said children (plural, not you). Like, do actual research. Your experience isn’t indicative of everyone’s experience, though I can tell by your comments throughout this blog that you’re not aware of that.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan’s The Fine Art of Baloney Detection? If not, give it a go. Your arguments would improve by an attempt to use sound reasoning, and then you could troll even better than now. Win-win.
Like Oliver Twist, I assume, but all the evil toffs, workhouse owners, etc, were feminists.
Plus, MRAL, you presumably have not been an African American little boy, or a gay little boy, or a bisexual little boy……….etc.
YOU are not the universal end all and be all, cupcake
Well, frankly I think my opinion is worth more than yours on this subject, because as said I have been a little boy. Furthermore, none of the other little boys I know were instilled with misogyny, and given our current society, it would seem to me that very few little boys are instilled with misogyny. Or if they are, they sure as hell forget that pretty quickly.
Also, I had a good childhood. I was a chubby happy kid.
@MRAL
I was raised in Western culture at roughly the same time you were (I’m 18 now), and I’ve been insecure about my looks. I’m socially awkward. I was once a little boy.
Remarkably, I don’t have a persecution complex or hate women. Perhaps none of those things are what leads these people to being an arses online? Never.
Also: you could be born tomorrow and you’d grow up experiencing a world where men were privileged, pillock.
Also, aren’t several of our male regulars around MRALs age? They seem to have taken quite different messages away from their shared boyhood experiences.
Ninjad by lowquacks.
My parents thought I was autistic until I was like 12 though, haha.
Oh those poor oppressed men, willingly hopping on a plane to Thailand and handing their money over to women they don’t know for sex! it’s not like they have any free will or are able to actively choose who they give their money to…no, that would be called personal responsibility and men apparently have none!
Damn those strippers too for physically FORCING men to go to strip clubs then actually physically taking money out of men’s pockets!!! it’s not like there’s free porn on the internet or anything.
Well I for one find it reprehensible that stores manipulate me out of my money. It’s not MY fault I spent $5000 on crap I don’t need, the store manipulated me and took my money!
I find it horrifyingly amusing that all it took for Hugo S. to be redeemed in MARL’s eyes was the porny confession of attempted murder of his exgirlfriend. I am not surprised though.
I don’t hate women. I do have something of a persecution complex, though I recognize it as a flaw, and I’m working on it.
Lurker here. You guys do such a great job counteracting all the sad, self-serving, privilege-blind comments that show up that I almost never have time to get mad. I read something moronic but before I even start to get angry I can just scroll down and see a ton of fantastic responses from people who actually have a grip on reality and have read (as burgundy pointed out) at LEAST the bare minimum when it comes to peer-reviewed studies.
Anyway, I’m sure there are tons of other lurkers out here enjoying this too…so thanks!
Additionally, I did all of this in The Feminazi Gynocractic States Of Vagino-Communist Australia, no less. Surely that’d be the place to really start hating women.
(A quick question: what exactly Paul Elam got against Australia? Even for him, he extraordinarly little actual content or reasoning behind why he thinks it’s some hellhole run by Evil Feminists)
Additionally, MRAL: I, too, was briefly thought to be autistic. I have an above-average IQ (not that I’m entirely convinced IQ means anything, and I wouldn’t have elected to take the test myself).
Wait, used “additionally” at the beginning of things twice. Not quite thinking straight today. Oops. Sorry.
Er, that has nothing to do with it Bostonian, and Schwyzer is NOT redeemed in my eyes. I still despise him. Just saying, his treatment as the hands of the fempire has been very telling re. their actual views on men. It’s not misandry, per se, but it’s a walloping double standard.
Statement assumes facts not in evidence.
Now get the fuck off to that charm school, where you will hopefully learn to be less of a little shit.
Except you, right? And since your experience is king, then I should extend that to other little boys and conclude they’re all as misogynist and clueless as you are?
I’d be amazed at your lack of desire to actually engage in reasonable argument, except I’ve seen it plenty of times before with other trolls-pretending-not-to-be-trolls-in-order-to-troll-more. You strung this little community along pretty good for a while, didn’t you? You must be proud of that. I’ve only ever seen that kind of thing in a couple of other communities, where the troll gets people to like him and then turns on them again. It takes a special kind of sociopathy to do something like that.
“I do have something of a persecution complex, though I recognize it as a flaw, and I’m working on it.”
By raging at women on a feminist website about how they’re persecuting you? That seems like the exact opposite of working on it.
MRAL: What changed your parents’ minds?
Elam hates Australia too? Huh. I wonder why.
“I still hate Hugo Swyzer! I just hate that people go on feminist websites and attack him all the time, sometimes where it’s not even relevant, like I do!”
I think it was him, anyway. Certainly there was some manosphere buzz about Australia becoming a feminist gulag. Perhaps it’s because we recently got a female Prime Minister? I’ll try to find an article or something. I swear I didn’t make this up.
Eventually my mommy took me to a shrink, turned out I was just shy. I could have told them that, of course, but in this day and age you need a doctor for everything, I guess.
MRAL, you know dick about shit in general, so why don’t you shut YOUR piehole? Fuck off and don’t come back until you’ve lived a little.
I just find it awfully convienent that you suddenly have sympathy for him, now that he has been critiqued for, well writing about the attempted murder of a woman to comfort a friend who was feeling bad about abusing his dog.
Actually with Elam maybe it would be more efficient to compile a list of things that he doesn’t hate. So…other MRAs, shitty pop-rock anthems, and the internet. Anything else?
“writing about the attempted murder of a woman to comfort a friend who was feeling bad about abusing his dog.”
Wait, what? I’m confused as to how this was supposed to help.
Yeah, Cassandra, the whole Hugo thing is fucked beyond belief. Basically, he was trying to get his friend not to beat themselves for bad behavior. I KNOW, right?
^beat themselves UP. Typing r hard.
I wasn’t special needs or anything, and it’s not like the teachers ever said anything so far as I know. It was just a hunch my mommy had, and it turned out to be wrong.
So he wanted the friend to not feel bad about abusing his pet? Sometimes I feel that Hugo missed some important parts of the whole being a Christian thing.
@CassandraSays
Ha! I can imagine, that reaction is absolutely universal around the world!!
It was special.
And MRAL, if you’re trying to claim that you don’t understand why feminists are speaking out against someone, who attempted to kill a woman and slept with his female students, having a prominent space in feminism… again I call trolling
The claim that we’d be totally cool with a woman with Hugo’s history is particularly special.
The autism scare has gone beyond ridiculous. They tried to diagnose my little cousin with autism as well. Luckily my aunt went to get a second opinion. turns out she just had mild selective mutism.
So you think this has NOTHING to do with Schwyzer being male?
@CassandraSays
Ron Paul, I think. That should probably go without saying though,
UPDATE ON ELAM AND AUSTRALIA: It’s because we’re enacting a government plan to stop violence against women and children (AFAIK, it’s like the USian VAWA in that it’s more a general anti-DV and anti-child abuse thing that’s been misnamed), apparently. How heartless of our feminist rulers, wanting to stop violence. As a man, I’m truly quivering.
I don’t understand how a man who has been abusive towards women, and done nothing to repent, can stand as a voice in feminism. Yes it has to do with him being a man (it also has to do with the whole not paying any penance or making any restitutions).
He hates Australia because of some new DV legislation called The Plan. Apparently it’s ignoring male victims and leaving out that women abuse their kids more. I didn’t really look into it because I don’t live in Australia, but from the brief scan I did The Plan did acknowledge male victims.
I keep hearing all this stuff about DV being 50/50 and all these hordes of abused men and repressed studies etc….but here’s another non-US country that seems to think DV against women is problem enough that it needs legislation. I just have a very hard time believing that there’s some massive feminist conspiracy covering male DV up and that feminists hold all this power over government which is still male dominated. Australia’s bureau of statistics say women are greater victims of DV (according to the footnote The Plan used when citing statistics) The US bureau of statistics says the same. I dunno. I just wish someone would shut the hell up and actually open some shelters for men rather than attack services for women. It’s so counterproductive its actually really frustrating to read about.
Actually, Hugo is getting the kid gloves treatment mostly, plenty of feminists, including Marcotte of Pandagon are still linking to his stuff and calling for much forgiveness.
A woman who posted the same confession would truly be drummed out of the movement, as far as that is possible on the internet.
Right, if this was Valenti- and she had done the same shit, with the genders reversed- you think there would be a similar reaction?
I mean, I like it in a sense, because it’s distracting him from male-bashing. But it’s hilarious how well it illustrates the double standards.
and holy hell please ban MRAL…funny how this thread is now becoming all about him again
Go see a fucking therapist already.
The backlash that Hugo is experiencing is about him being a hypocrite with an, um, unique sense of ethics and interpretation of Christianity, not his penis. The only sense in which it’s about his penis is in that he has chosen to use said penis in ethically questionable ways, and then expected forgiveness because he’s a changed man now.
It’s rather a similar pattern to the one that you yourself played out here, actually, it’s just that the backlash against Hugo is more polite since he doesn’t have a history of calling rape victims liars, etc, ie. he hasn’t directly abused the people who are now losing their patience with him or expressed generalized hostility towards them.
Bostonian, I just don’t believe that. I really don’t. In fact, I think it would pass without all that much incident.
Oh Quackers, that’s easy. Multiple nations are focusing on male-on-female DV because women have all the power and no one cares about men, even the men who make up the vast majority of politicians and policy-makers. No one’s running shelters for male DV victims because none of the people who donate to charity or award grant money care about men.
Somehow, resentment against women is widespread even though, simultaneously, enough men have been coopted by feminism that our society keeps men down, despite men still holding nearly all the positions of power. I can’t quite get this to work out numerically, but that’s probably because, as a woman, I suck at math.
I mean, it would be like a German who profited off of the oppression of Jews, never done anything to repent, never stepped up to pay the consequences of their actions, working with the JDL (or insert any other oppressor/oppressed analogy)?
“Actually, Hugo is getting the kid gloves treatment mostly, plenty of feminists, including Marcotte of Pandagon are still linking to his stuff and calling for much forgiveness.”
He’s being cut a lot more slack than he deserves, honestly, in part because his persona is so aw shucks I am but a humble Christian man who wants to do good.
Wait, so MRAL says that Schwyzer is getting a massive backlash, WAY worse than a dude would get, and Mags says that he’s not getting noted at all. And either expects to be taken seriously.
Hey MRAL, you’re opining on the motives of people who have different genitals than you have. I thought we weren’t allowed to do that? Shut your pie hole, please.
Also I think it’s due to the more generalised phenomenon of people tending to cut their friends a lot of slack and finding it hard to accept that someone you considered a friend is capable of doing awful things.
Well, all you guys seem to have no problem with it, indeed you have no problem psychoanalyzing me (conclusion: I am Hitler), so I’ll join you.
Well your lack of belief does not make it true, unfortunately. I would have been happy to simply never read anything by him again, at least a year ago (before he posted the porny confession) for many other reasons.
Hugo is still being linked and treated like a special snowflake in plenty of places. If Marcotte did something similar, genders reversed, she would be gunned down by rabid MRAS within a week.
The most people are calling for on Feministe, where the controversy broke, is that he cease to teach his chosen victim demographic.
Please note that not everyone is even calling for that.
“Bostonian, I just don’t believe that. I really don’t. In fact, I think it would pass without all that much incident.”
Oh look, there’s the persecution complex kicking in again. Get thee to a therapist, pronto.
(Jessica got backlash for minor decisions that some people didn’t agree with to do with her wedding, ffs, and for the cover design of one of her books. Other feminists are more than happy to criticize her when they think she’s doing something wrong.)
I’m actually fairly sure that the main conclusion of MRALysis so far is more that you need to get the hell out of here.
And that you’re almost entirely privilege-blind, but the first one would be easier for you to act on.
I’m listening to What the Hell by Avril Lavigne.
Godwin’d!
“The most people are calling for on Feministe, where the controversy broke, is that he cease to teach his chosen victim demographic.”
This seems like something he would have already done himself if he truly believed any of the things that he writes. Continuing to teach the demographic in question seems like an alcoholic deciding to work in a bar – it’s perfectly legal, but it’s probably not a good idea.
Oops, my previous post was meant to go to another forum. Sorry.
indeed you have no problem psychoanalyzing me (conclusion: I am Hitler)
Hey, you’re the one who said you have a persecution complex. I don’t go in for psychoanalysis particularly, but that seems pretty well-supported by evidence to me.
@MRAL
I’ve got a Scratch Acid compilation on. How is this relevant, exactly?