“The dried-up vagina is a tool of the state, and population control.”
Marriage: Not an effective form of birth control.
When we first met Spearhead commenter Rmaxd, he was raving about how our technological society had rendered women obsolete. He’s back, this time taking on, well, women again, and welfare, and declining birth rates, and, well, it’s all a little bit hard to follow.
Let’s start with Rmaxd’s basic premises:
Women are serially monogamous or hypergamous & are infertile for the majority of their lives
While men are polygamous, & FERTILE for the majority of their lives
Marriage has always been used as the earliest form of birth contraception, limit the amount of children a fertile male can have, by forced mating with a single infertile woman for the rest of his life.
We are off to a bad start here. Is there anything in all that that’s correct? Among other things: marriage is most decidedly not a particularly effective form of birth control. (The show Eight is Enough was based on a real family, and I suspect we’ve all met people with enough siblings to fill a bus.) But let’s continue; Rmaxd is on a roll:
As the government can no longer force this sort of mating on infertile womens, especially in the lower moronic, under educated peasantry states,
As women want alphas,
Obviously sluts & whores, are simply mimicing infertile women, as only infertile dried up vaginas, can afford to sleep around with hundreds of men
This is why we have sluts & promiscuity, marketted to young girls today, imitate infertile women, imitate their habits, destroy your fertility, destroy your youth
A childhood of std’s & yeast infections
Yeah, I’m not even going to try to parse all that.
In any case, as Rmaxd argues, these “infertile” ladies somehow still manage to pop out a few kids when they’re young, and the evil welfare state rewards them for it:
It’s essentially birth control by sponsoring infertile women, most women have a couple of kids, basically enough to live off the welfare & free housing
As we all know, single mothers live lives of untold luxury and indolence.
What we have here is essentially welfare for infertile women, as they’re no longer able to siphon cash from enslaving men into walking wallets & their magical vagina’s a pit of std’s & warts
In the past, you see, women could enslave men by marrying them. Now they can’t get dudes to stick around, so instead they enslave men by not marrying them, raising their kids on their own with the help of welfare money. It’s all very devious.
Rmaxd would prefer that the welfare money go to the fathers:
If we had welfare for men who had kids, with different women, we would have a healthy birth rate, instead of the declining birth rate we have now … this is all about rewarding & protecting a womans sexuality over a mans sexuality
It all leads to what Rmaxd calls:
The new another dark age of female fanatical male hate,
sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina, & government
The dried up vagina, as a tool of the state & population control
This barely coherent spew of woman-hatred – and it’s even less comprehensible without my edits and annotations – still managed to draw a few upvotes from the regulars, proving that internet misogynists will upvote pretty much anything so long as it contains the requisite level of anti-woman vitriol.
In case you’re feeling especially bored this lazy Sunday, the whole Spearhead thread is a trainwreck of misogyny and racism – including some fairly obnoxious discussions of black “Welfare Queens” and Mexican immigrants from a fellow called Keyster. Does that (fake) name sound familiar? You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.
Posted on January 22, 2012, in $MONEY$, a voice for men, antifeminism, crackpottery, evil women, manginas, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, oppressed white men, racism, reactionary bullshit, sluts, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 447 Comments.
You can’t just end the story there!
This is one of those times when I wish I knew more about economics, but I like this better than robots. How do we know the companies won’t just hire a lot of robots and leave the rest of us out of work? :P
I’ve heard from my fair share of anti-feminists who literally seem to believe that women go through menopause around age 30.
Molly – There’s a really great book on this called The Homebrew Industrial Revolution, about how we can build a micromanufacturing future that avoids that very problem. http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/
Although I really, really love saying something like “We Demand Control of the Robots of Robot Production! ” as a slogan.
Amanda Marcotte – “I’ve heard from my fair share of anti-feminists who literally seem to believe that women go through menopause around age 30.” – And automatically begin not only to wrinkle, but to literally DECAY.
Molly: That’s basically the story! My dad’s side of the family has spent the last thousand years doing things related to cows, theft, and theft of cows. Inexplicably, in the last generation, they have taken up journalism, condo management, and the law, all of which seem remarkably lacking in cows.
My great-grandfather Harvey Rickard was a bootlegger that Al Capone once threatened to murder, though, which is pretty cool. He ended up fleeing for his life and abandoning his family, which starved all through the Great Depression and was one of the first families in the country to be on welfare. We’ve been Democrats since. :)
My recent ancestors were apparently mostly shiftless troublemakers, with the exception of those who were Native American and dealt with treaty violations, Trail of Tears, etc.
Of course, my maternal grandmother whose family was always racist recently informed us that it was a family secret that some of her ancestors were Spanish Moors. So there is that…
My ancestors were completely ordinary Irish immigrants. My other ancestors were completely ordinary German immigrants. Nothing to see here; move along.
Katz, that’s the worst Ancestry.com ad ever. I now want to film it and put it on youtube.
I once had a guy explain to me that thirty-five women “…lose their eggs…”. That’s a direct quote. The context? He was subjecting me to a detailed monologue about how medical science was discovering exciting new ways to prolong hunan life indefinitely and how this technology was less than a generation away. I, naturally, asked him about the problem of over population. But he declared it a non issue because women can’t get pregnant after thirty-five.
Hilarious.
The Scottish immigrants on my dad’s side had cowboys and horse thieves. My mom’s has Italians and German bankers (illuminati???haha).
Rmaxed is a great argument for better biology and sex ed in this country.
Nobinayamu: You could totally turn that into an add for Egg Insurance. “Ladies: Worried about losing your eggs?”
My grandparents were like American Dream poster children, as in: come to the US poor and speaking no English, work in a sweatshop, go to night school, get a good professional job, become middle-class in a couple of decades. It says a lot about the particular time period in which they immigrated. (Also, my father’s father couldn’t get into American medical schools, because of the quotas they had at the time that limited the number of Jewish students. So he went to a medical school in Austria. In the early 1930s. He… didn’t stay. He never completed his MD, which he was bitter about his whole life, but he was a very successful microbiologist and some of the articles he wrote are still used in textbooks and stuff.)
But I don’t know squat about my family beyond my great-grandparents. In my grandmothers’ cases, I don’t even know where in their respective countries their families lived before emigrating. All I know is that my mother signed up for one of those mitochondrial DNA studies, and apparently we are related (quite, quite distantly) to Henry Louis Gates (Sr, through the mitochondrial DNA, but technically that would make us related to Jr as well.)
One of the populations that has a high rate of unplanned pregnancy are women over 40, partially because of this idea that there would be no viable eggs after 35-40. The rate is about 32% .
Infertility and birth control are not only facts which are decreasing the birth rate. There is another thing behind the fact of that women do not like to bear children. There is a generation of women who followed their fathers rather than following their mothers. This kind of women do not have real female feelings.
My great great grandmother was commended by FDR for putting women to work for poor women. She created a factory that made inexpensive baby clothes.
So I come from evil capitalists.
You mean we are supposed to like:
exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
heartburn and indigestion
constipation
weight gain
dizziness and light-headedness
bloating, swelling, fluid retention
hemmorhoids
abdominal cramps
yeast infections
congested, bloody nose
acne and mild skin disorders
skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
mild to severe backache and strain
increased headaches
difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
increased urination and incontinence
bleeding gums
pica
breast pain and discharge
swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
inability to take regular medications
shortness of breath
higher blood pressure
hair loss
tendency to anemia
curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
extreme pain on delivery
hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section — major surgery — is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
That is the non-permanent things.
Because if we are, you really are an idiot Explore.
I was always told that one of my German ancestors came to America to escape arrest after killing a man in a bar fight…but then I heard a similar story from other people so I guess it’s one of those things people just say to make their ancestors seem like badasses.
But David Futrelle really did kill a man in a bar for looking at him the wrong way once.
Hey EN, are you ever going to address any of the criticisms of the drivel you keep spewing? ‘Cause this hit-and-run shit is getting tiresome.
Yeah, seriously. Explore Nature wont’ engage at all. Non-participatory trolling is the worst. He might as well be a spambot.
EN lists The Spearhead on his links section as “The Spreadhead”. I don’t know if that was an intentional joke on his part but I’m going to start calling it that from now on.
I am racking my brains for cool family stories. This is what I got:
My grandfather knew one of the Navajo code talkers when he served in the Navy during WW2.
Before I was born, one of my female relatives faced down a burglar who had broken into her house with a .22. This story is even more impressive when you add the detail that she’d just gotten out of the shower, and thus managed to scare the guy off while wearing nothing but a towel.
:X My mom is from Bavaria, her grandparents were Nazis. She doesn’t like to talk about it. Just says it was a dark time and that it’s over now.
My dad’s side of the family consists of Belgium immigrants, with my Irish great grandmother marrying in to the family. Moons actually comes from the Belgium word Mons, or the Hills. The name got mixed up on Ellis Island.
My family stories are very cool but I’m on a phone and typing is hard. They all went through some amazing adventures escaping the Nazis.
“…I’ve heard from my fair share of anti-feminists who literally seem to believe that women go through menopause around age 30…”
Well, obviously, it’s because we anti-feminists are just complete ditz’s.
One set of great-grandparents were Welsh Immigrants, of whom I know almost nothing – In fact, they may have been more Irish than Welsh. They were not the warmest and best of parents to grandpa, who was a steelworker and Army vet of the most awesomely typical variety. My maternal Grandma was from a mix of Irish and dutch/french/Wasp, that being the part where I connect back to the Colonies through a president’s brother. She was the first female Arc Welder in these parts, and posed for paintings, you can see her nude in galleries to this day. Her and Grandpa owned a bowling alley. On the Paternal side, I’ve got plenty of Irish with streaks of Traveller, a smidge of Rom and German that according to some research I’ve done, likely traces back to a group of families in Bavaria descended from the soldiers that stayed behind in Germany when Atilla the Hun died there! Which is pretty dang cool, distant as the story is.
zhinxy, we could be related! :3
…distantly
Well, obviously, it’s because we anti-feminists are just complete ditz’s.
That goes without saying.
Technically, can’t we all say that? :P
ersatzmoons! Awesome!
Molly – True! There is the “nobody on earth is less than a 40th cousin” I heard way back when I took Bio 101. (holy shit, 12 years ago?) I think I remember reading that mitochondrial research might have decided it was less than that too. Anybody more up to date on this topic?
Enthusiastic Consent: It’s not just for sex anymore!
Hi David,
I just wanted to thank you for banning Brandon. I never got why he spent so much time here, But the last couple of weeks have been amazing. This weekend especially. Now he spends even more time with me. You should have done it months ago!
Love Ashley <3
I know a female blogger that comment on manosphere blogs and she was saying that she had to teach these guys about reproduction because they didn’t know anything about it – for example they believed that women ovulate at the same time and didn’t know that the pill stop ovulation.
Just a warning guys I may have cause a shitstorm on YouTube (I didn’t mean to) and I think they’ve tried to hack my YouTube account (how likely is it) and they are batshit
gaslighting crazy. I know there’s not much you can do but I’m just giving the heads up just in case if the start complaining about a Kelly it’s probably them. Thanks.
no more mr nice guy – when you say “they believed that women ovulate at the same time,” do you mean they thought that all women ovulated simultaneously? Because that’s… special.
My great great grandfather and his two brothers were buffalo hunters on the American frontier. They reportedly refused an offer to be scouts for the U.S. Army, since doing so would have required them to work with Buffalo Bill Cody, whom they disliked. Apparently, Cody had stolen buffalo robes from them on a previous occasion. Just as well, I suppose, as they could well have ended up at Little Big Horn.
On another occasion, one of my GGF’s brothers, not content with just destroying the Native Americans’ livelihood, murdered a Native American man–picked him of from a distance, apparently. His two brothers reportedly disapproved of his action, but needless to say, he was never prosecuted. Maybe he should have ended up at Little Big Horn.
Great great grandfather was also a Civil War veteran (Union), who apparently survived most of the major battles of the war–a fairly impressive feat in itself.
One of my ancestors made it through the Civil War too. I have a photo of him and his wife, but they look like they hate being in each other’s company. XD
@Kelly: Can you be more specific? What happened?
My great great grandfather saw little green men on Ilkley moor!
http://www.mysterymag.com/wp/index.php/topics/1245
One of my ancestors was a body guard to the last Russian Czar.
I guess he kind of failed.
While this will probably turn into nothing. An arguement on a feminist YouTube video even though they are well..mras I stirred the pot too much for too long so I have a share of accountability (ATM I’d rather not be specific) I don’t mean to be alarmist or expect you cover me but I’d just like to mention this so you can brace yourselves It seems like something they’d latch onto, again this my messup (their names withheld so they can’t pick this up on google)
One of my ancestors made it through the Civil War too. I have a photo of him and his wife, but they look like they hate being in each other’s company. XD
It could have to do with having to hold still for so long to get their pictures taken, assuming that that was the case.
“Marriage has always been used as the earliest form of birth contraception”
What do MRAs have against the English Language? Did it steal their first girlfriend, or have an affair with their wife?
“As the government can no longer force this sort of mating on infertile womens, especially in the lower moronic, under educated peasantry states,
As women want alphas,
Obviously sluts & whores, are simply mimicing infertile women, as only infertile dried up vaginas, can afford to sleep around with hundreds of men
This is why we have sluts & promiscuity, marketted to young girls today, imitate infertile women, imitate their habits, destroy your fertility, destroy your youth
A childhood of std’s & yeast infections”
Seriously, what? It’s hard to even figure out what he’s trying to say. I gather that he believes that because young women today are too slutty, small children now have STD’s. Or something like that, it’s hard to tell since I don’t speak Batshit. Or whatever language containts the words “mimicing” and “marketted”.
“It’s essentially birth control by sponsoring infertile women, most women have a couple of kids, basically enough to live off the welfare & free housing.”
I gather that in his mind “infertile” means “not submissive to a man”? Or not married maybe? But he thinks marriage is evil too so I’m kind of lost at this point.
“What we have here is essentially welfare for infertile women, as they’re no longer able to siphon cash from enslaving men into walking wallets & their magical vagina’s a pit of std’s & warts”
Are these men actually the custodial parents for all those kids? If so then cool, they can have welfare. If not they can put a sock in it.
“The new another dark age of female fanatical male hate,
sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina, & government
The dried up vagina, as a tool of the state & population control”
I wonder where my local Church of Radical Feminist Mangina is? Maybe I should go check out a service. Do they have tea and scones?
Infertility and birth control are not only facts which are decreasing the birth rate. There is another thing behind the fact of that women do not like to bear children. There is a generation of women who followed their fathers rather than following their mothers. This kind of women do not have real female feelings.
I realize that English is probably not your first language, but, seriously, what you wrote there would be idiotic in any language.
I wonder where my local Church of Radical Feminist Mangina is? Maybe I should go check out a service. Do they have tea and scones?
I tell you, it’s enough to make one reconsider atheism. :)
OMG
O_O
I’ve lived on welfare for 20 years, and I don’t have any kids, and never have wanted kids *blows raspberry at Rmaxd*
One of my ancestors was a blacksmith who made Ned Kelly’s armour. Well, one of dozens who claimed to! :)
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!! *Snort!* Hee-hee! *Cough*
Ashley post FTW
IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! Ashley, how do you feel about giggling?
“Welfare queen” always raises the hair on my anti-racist skin, and sure enough they follow through on the swing.
The thing is, putting aside the stupidity of being mad at people for being down on their luck, how do you think people don’t need welfare in an economy that has gotten as shitty as ours is right now? People are losing jobs all over the place, yet it’s somehow a big surprise, and clearly due to excessive laziness, that people are on welfare!!
………..
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw…
Fun fact about Jacques Futrelle: Changed his name from Jack to Jacques, and added an “e” to his last name, to sound all fancy and French, though there was no French in him at all.
Badass
Unless Brandon’s been talking about David constantly, it’s unlikely Ashley would be addressing it to David, esp if this is her first time on the site. (for that matter, unless she spent her time reading through 2 months of archives, she wouldn’t know that we’d know who “Brandon” or “Ashley” are… unless Brandon tells her that he goes by his first name and talks about her constantly xD )
I vote either hilarious troll, or sour grapes Brandon going “see banning me just means I have great secks!” xD
Oh and for NWO when he shows up, cuz I know he reads everything I say (and if he’s not on this thread, be sure to pass this along to him will you? :) )
You keep trying to ask us to explain what other feminists say (and non feminist women too) so I feel absolutely justified in asking you about this, as our resident expert on how the MRAs don’t want government:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/ncfm-asks-the-u-n-to-end-discrimination-against-men/
It sounds like you don’t just want state intervention, you want WAY more state intervention than I think even the most socialist of socialists on this site would want. Srsly, state intervention in DATING too? xD
How do you explain this?
I also fully expect you to be trolling that comment section as hard as you troll us, since, after all, there are actually people there beseeching Big Daddy to do everything in their lives for them and surely you must fear that yes?
Hey Ami, could you possibly summarise that post for us? I’m not feeling up to actually reading MRA babble at the moment, at least not of the “the government should force women to fuck me” variety. Do they basically want some comfort women-like thing?
(Now that we’ve already suggested bringing back medieval torture devices it’s time to start repeating famous war crimes!)
On Ami’s link they want the government to intervene and impose that one parent stay at home and look after the child as opposed to sending the child to childcare, then in another paragraph they are against alimony and only want the maintenance money to solely go towards the child and not the mother?
At their insistence the mother should give up her career and therefore forego savings and superannuation (retirement fund) and not get any financial compensation?
Cassandra, and of course the most important proposed law…
The Lifeboat Law
Cause MRAs want to legislate about who gets a seat on the life boat….
It’s always funny when they do that. If the child lives with the mother, and the mother is responsible for taking the child places, feeding the child, etc, how is that meant to work? Is the mother unable to spend the money on a car, or on gas, since technically speaking the car belongs to her and not the child? But if so, how is the child supposed to get around? Same with food, utility bills, etc.
It’s less horrifying than I expected, though. I do keep expecting them to demand that all wome perform mandatory sexual services as an alternative to the (nonexistant) draft.
Mine too.
…And horses.
…And sheep.
…And women.
…And… well… what have you got?
About the lifeboat thing, that was actually the most baffling thing about the whole arguing with angry sexist men about the Concordia thread. Did it ever even occur to anyone else here that, if we were to come up with a standard as to who gets preference in terms of lifeboat seats right now, we should do it by gender? It didn’t for me. My brain was going, OK kids first, then elderly people and anyone who’s disabled and unlikely to be able to swim or float, then we’re going to need some caretakers for the kids and the elderly and disabled people in each boat, and then all the able bodied adults. The idea of establishing a gender quota wouldn’t even occur to me.
@Crumb
Well, I hear there are lots of bars in Germany…
@David
Not even after that Moulin Rouge incident? ;)
Looks like Ashley is quite the sporty type. Oh, wait. Google fails to find any Ashleys with the last name spelled *Phinn* Though Yahoo finds an Alicia Phinn, a 50 year old Pennsylvanian resident.
One of my great great grandfathers invented some fun things (he holds over 1000 patents,) like the fuse, and the socket to the light bulb (he was part of the Menlo Park gang, the one with the walrus mustache if you care about such things) and another founded two schools for women in the pre-Civil War South – one for white women and the other for black women. I think these things are pretty cool! I hope to do something as cool someday!
o_o well, that proves that Ashley is nonexistent or, at least, Brandon’s fairy tale, forever cheerful, fuck bot version of her is.
~teehee!
I would agree that him not being on manboobz for the past couple of weeks have been neat – I hated having to lurk through his me, me, me, me, me…
Molly, finding someone who comes from Bavaria is… special for me .__. albeit Atilla the Hun died around 1,600 years ago so, distantly special for me. I spent a good deal of my childhood, early teens visiting there. Whenever Bavaria is recognized I have little hurrah! moments. Also, that baby pygmy hippo is adorbz.
One of my great-grandmothers was a scullery maid who ran off with the milkman’s boy. Her family were scandalised by the match. Apparently the marriage was below her station.
After Brandon’s last post, I think more than one ashnostic became an ashtheist.
Nobinayamu, that’s awesome. I wonder what that dude would make of me, given I’m 38 & while I am hugely overdue pregnant, I haven’t been pregnant for 3 years. 41 weeks is more than enough, thanks! :) And not only that, I accidentally got pregnant, this time, anyway. Guess I’m a mutant or something? lol
STDs and yeast infections?
Because not only are they whoring around, but they’re also wearing underwear that aren’t cotton. Those sluts.
(I’ve never had sex but I’ve spent a good deal of my adult life with some level of yeasty overload. Mostly to a degree that the doc finds it but I don’t notice it at all. I think my vagina just thinks that it’s bread. THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION.)
I mean, I know that YIs can be passed (from men) that way, but that’s probably way down on the list after antibiotics, the pill, hormonal changes unrelated to the pill (menses, pregnancy, random-ass shit), tight clothing, the wrong underwear …
I guess that fits in with all the “infertile at 30″ business. Heck, I’m 28 and what I hear an awful lot is, “But you don’t LOOK 28!” As if 28 necessarily looks any different from 20. Oh yeah, it CAN. But it’s not like we all just … remember that scene in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade where the Nazi drinks from the wrong cup? Right. It’s not like we all do THAT at age 25. Some people look pretty much the same up til 40. I don’t know where these guys are getting their advice on human aging, but … yeah, I don’t know what to do either.
Oh, man, I didn’t even know Brandon got banned! I must admit, though, I did have this feeling that a thousand trolling comments cried out and were suddenly silenced. Anyone care to point me to B-don’s last post?
I…I need to see it.