Life Before Feminism: A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart
An alert reader pointed me to this amazing “map” from the 1830s, posted on Ptak Science Books and originally found here. Described as “A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart,” it presents a less-than-flattering picture of the supposed shallowness, vanity and selfishness of the female of the species. Click on the pic above to see it full size.
It’s amazing how closely this resembles so many Manosphere “critiques” of evil modern women; the main difference is that it’s a bit more polite in its language. Also, no mention of stinky vaginas.
Manospherians love to talk about “taking the red pill,” as if their ideas are all new and cool and Matrixy. Actually, of course, their ideas are old as fuck. It’s more like they are taking a gulp of Dr. Flimflam’s Electro Magnetic Misogyny Fluid.
Below, another amazing picture also found on Ptak, which presents data on where women’s eyes linger when looking at men. (Again, click on it to see it full size.) I suspect this one would be a bit more confounding to the Manospherians of today, in that it doesn’t show women looking only at the dude’s wallet. The post on Ptak offers a more detailed explanation of what this picture is about.
Posted on January 20, 2012, in $MONEY$, evil women, life before feminism, misogyny, pics, reactionary bullshit, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 664 Comments.
Ami – for what it’s worth, what you’re saying makes perfect sense to me – and the guy who abused and assaulted me was first my best friend and then my partner before things went deeply, deeply wrong, so I actually have had the exact experience of having happy memories of good times with him and then feeling sick and guilty for it. (And for a long time afterward, I lost the ability to be “gooshy” too. I can’t promise that your experience will be the same as mine, but it did get better for me eventually, and now I’m plenty gooshy about my current partner.)
So, basically, you’re not alone, at least. Have hugs, if you want them.
Magpie that was hilarious XD <3
*hugs Polliwog* thank you… that means a lot to me… :)
So did anybody else have a “vampires are so f-ing hot” phase? >_>
Phase?
XD
ask a stupid question
Growing up I had a massive crush on Sara Gilbert. Time has not altered this much.
Aaaand I just found out she supports PETA. That puts a damper on that.
“Vampiric” is still pretty much the best way to describe the men I tend to go for. Maybe that’s why I like them so skinny – blood is very low in carbohydrates, as Terry Pratchett says.
I am sry for suddenly bringing that up btw … and I want to give everybody hugs again cuz.. you guys are awesome
*HUGS EVERYBODY*
I’ll have to second Dracula on asking “phase?”
*hugs back*
No worries, Ami.
(Hugs)
I suppose I have a type, in that I tend to go for nerd/geek girls, goths, punks and any combination thereof, but I can be a attracted to a lot people outside of those general groupings. I don’t think I have much of a body type preference.
Seriously Ami, don’t worry about it. I just hope you’re okay.
I tend to be attracted to chubby, dark haired, pale, nerdy/geeky, sensible, responsible, reliable and level headed guys.
Of course right now I am madly in love with Crush so every guy I date does not measure up.
Oh shit, you guys, I am a small redhead with huge tits.
WHAT DO I DO
nthing support to Ami and Polliwog
The crush that grew up with me was Kaley Cuoco. I had a crush on her at 16 when she was on 8 Simple Rules, and now I have a crush on her again loll
Spit on everyone you meet, just in case it’s MRAL.
Won’t work. MRAL’s awesome jedi powers have rendered her *dun dun dunnn* UGLY!!!
*brb, eyes rolled out head again*
At least in a month or so my face will be all swollen and bandaged up…that may help…
I better get ready to start spitting. Where are my mints?
Seriously Lauralot, you better watch out. Granted that he’s angry with me too, but at least I’m too old (and too ugly, of course) for him to want to fuck.
I’m a geek girl who’s kinda goth/emo/idunno
Stupid Twilight killed vampires for me for the time being…I think I’m gonna start a hot alien dude trend!
also *hugs Ami*
@MRAL: Good going! You made it almost 48 hours this time–I’d only given you 36.
Vampires who sparkle in the sunlight are just WRONG.
Frank Langella as Dracula, on the other hand . . .
And (((((((hugs))))))) if you would like them, Ami!
Vampires should never play baseball, or any other sport for that matter.
I don’t let Twilight get me down. I rise above that shit.
@MRAL back, same old shit.
Here’s what I posted after his last flounce on the 18th–figure I might as well repeat it here.
Although he barely seemed to be phoning it in tonight.
* * * * *
MRALSMACKDOWN REDUX
http://manboobz.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-7/#comment-113318
MRAL: But it might be a more pleasant place overall without, well, you assholes.
Then WHY are you still here!
I don’t go read and post at MRA blogs or forums.
I don’t go read and post as feminist blogs I disagree with (and even besides Hugo’s, there are some).
All of us assholes would prefer if you went off to find some people you want to hang out with who might actually like hanging with you and stop playing the faux victim card here.
WHY don’t you stay away as you keep implying you will?
HINT: When I am tired of reading on the internet and want to go to bed, I just go–I don’t announce it everywhere–anybody who understands the basic internet knows you don’t have to announce every move. Announcing that you are LEAVING and then weaseling back and saying you just meant that thread is a dick move.
http://manboobz.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-7/#comment-113322
MRAL: Ya know, if you weren’t who you are, I’d be willing to talk about the extent to which the post-capitalist consumer behemoth global corporations which are (to my perhaps jaundiced eyes) outweighing national governments in scope and power consider ALL FUCKING HUMAN BEING disposable.
TPTB don’t give a flying fuck about any of us.
The problem with having that discussion with you is that you’re so farking solipsistic and narcissistic that you don’t really give a damn about anybody but you: you don’t care about other men (you haven’t called the posters here you know are male Alpha Fucking Dicks that can recall–but that may have slipped my mind–so many trolls, so little originality, but you don’t exactly who any awareness of the very real oppressions that many men face in a kyriarchical system). You sure as hell don’t care about women who all have it better than you. You truly don’t see anybody here as real except yourself–I’m not sure I even buy the “oh poor me” lip quiver woobie act you’re trying to put on as reflecting anything other than “Q didn’t work to manipulate them, so let’s try C.”
No, you’re not a speshul snowflake deserving of all that is good.
Yes, life is fucking unfair.
Yes, most people around you probably don’t give a damn if you live or die–why should they? What have you ever done to make anybody care about whether you live or die?
So what’s fucking new about that situation? You think you’re fresh and original and edge because you come up with this tired old shit again…and….again….and….again?
Of course, that could just be my privilege talking. People are probably less likely to lump male vampire fans in with Twilight fans.
I think the reason Twilight doesn’t affect my view of vampire stuff in general is that I was already too old to care when it came out. It just sort of registers as one of many things that lots of kids are obsessed with that doesn’t make any sense to me. I know some people my age are into it, but meh, that seems like an arrested development issue.
I have a preference for dusky/tanned to dark skin, so the vampire/goth phase just flew right over my head
BTW, did any of the Brits here watch Mind Your Language? Francoise Pascal rocked my socks off, and she looks gorgeous to this day!! http://francoisepascal.co.uk/
What you don’t see in those lion pictures is male lions killing cubs (sired by other lions) to bring their dams into estrus faster, and barbs male lions have on their peen. All female cats turn around and smack male cats after coitus, cuz it hurts. But it has to hurt because cats are induced ovulators.
tl;dr lionesses have hella reasons to be smacking lions around.
@Lauralot
IIRC you mentioned needing to go in for surgery. Hope it’s nothing serious
Yeah if anyone assumes I’m a Twilight fan just because I’m female and a vampire fan they’re getting kicked in the face lol
Why would I care about Twilight? Why should it bother me? Eragon isn’t going to ruin fantasy for me either. Some people make crappy fiction all the time XD
Because it’s so bad. And when it dominates the whole genre for a few years it starts to get irritating.
I definitely still am a Vampire fan…I’m just waiting for the craze to die down. Plus I’ve been focusing on other fandoms recently lol.
I’m hoping Twilight will turn out to be a gateway drug and the kids who were into it will migrate to more interesting supernatural stuff as they get older.
It can be a little irritating to have something crappy defining the popular perception of a genre you like, but it’ll pass.
Weirdly, I have really different preferences between women and men. I tend to be most attracted to chubby, nerdy women, but when I’m attracted to a guy it’s usually some skinny, conventionally hot bishonen type (the guy who played L in the live-action Death Note movies, oh my gawd).
Bringing it back to the picture, wow. I wonder what the deal is with “District No. 1″? I keep thinking ‘but shouldn’t that be up in the ‘Love of Display’ area? After all, they make the Capitol’s luxury goods!’ But that’s only because I caught a nice string of Hunger Games on my last fishing trip to Novel Reading.
I’m just trying to figure out where the Shire is in all that mess.
I think it’s in the Good Sense portion of the country of Sentiment.
Makes sense.
Does anyone see religion or faith anywhere? I would have expected it to be there somewhere, given the time period.
But at least now we know where a guy goes when he gets friendzoned…the vast wastes of Platonic Affection, looking longingly at the City and District of Love, but not allowed to enter.
District No 1 is in the selfishness area, looking out for No 1. I guess?
The gates to the City are barred by women’s evil hypergamy. Only alphas are allowed to enter. Since this means that the majority of the women in the city can’t have a man of their own, I guess they share? So really it’s the City of Polyamory?
From the “Colonial Times” newspaper, who presumably pinched it from somewhere else, 4 March 1831.
Rules and Regulations for Young Ladies
At fifteen, – Affect vivacity, and line your bonnets with pink. If in company with an agreeable gentleman, hold your breath long enough to blush when he speaks to you, and incline your eyes downwards when giving an answer.
At sixteen, – Seem to have a high spirit, but shew the most unbounded submission to the opinion of the favoured oe. Yon may now (when in conversation) look in a gentleman’s face, but be cautious that the eye-brows are kept well archd. Affect a great liking for little babies, and get the credit of bring an excellent nurse.
At seventeen. – Read the news of literature and fashion, and form your opinion of the follies of the day, upon their mode. Condemn a taste for public amusements, and talk of the happi ness of retirement, and of domestic life. Simper ” nimming pimming,” to put your lips in pretty shape, and kiss children before gentlemen, that they may look and envy. Wear frocks as low as the fashion will allow, but still leave much to con- jecture.
At eighteen. – Look out seriously for a husband, and be everywhere upon your best behav¡our, taking great care not to smell of bread and butter.
At nineteen, – Goto, routs and parties, but avoid general flirting. Dress fashionably, but with great neatness and pro priety. Wear no flowers in your hair, but let the curls have an appearance of simple negligence.
At twenty. – Consider yourself in some danger of remaining single, and suit your conduct to your circumstances.
At twenty-one. – Be less particular than heretofore, for time begins to wane.
At twenty-two.-Think seriously of paying a visit to some friend at Madras or Calcutta.
At twenty-three. – Marry any body that is not downright intolerable.
At twenty-four. – You cease to be a young lady, and must manage as well as you can.
(Sorry about all the typoes)
Magpie, that sounds like proto-MRA crap; women should settle or else be washed up hags by 24. The horror!
I’m a 34F and I’m 45.
Good luck with your ideal measurements MRAL, because they’d be almost twice as big as my middle aged body and frankly have to hang to the knees.
OMG GUISE I THINK I SMELL OF BREAD AND BUTTER
WHAT DO I DO
I DON’T WANT TO SIT IN THIS BASEMENT FOREVER ALONE WITH THESE TASTY FUMES
The bread and butter thing is a bit specific, isn’t it?
I kinda wondered if “bread and butter” was supposed to be a metaphor for something. If not, I fail to see what’s wrong with smelling like it. Bread smells wonderful.
I like ‘visit a friend in Madras or Calcutta’ – the blokes out there are desperate for a white woman XP
Also if you asked most people to make a list of stinky foods I wouldn’t think butter would be on there, unless it’s gone off.
The bread part is like…take care not to smell of blueberry muffins, or of scones, as this is sure to turn a man’s stomach.
Maybe this is advice on how to snare yourself a husband who’s gluten intolerent?
This is off-topic, but have any MRAs commented about Dane Cook’s recent performance? I know I could Google it myself but I’ll let someone with better anger managment issues do it.
http://jezebel.com/5877633/horrible-things-dane-cook-said-on-stage-last-night
It sounds like Cook has been spending some time on The Spearhead.
Seriously, if a woman I met smelled of delicious baked goods I think it would up my attraction to her considerably.
Google comes up with “she smelled of bread and butter” as an insult in a few books written about that time. It says Byron said that is why he didn’t like schoolgirls.
I don’t get it, myself.
This is completely unrelated, but she’s awesome and I’m pretty sure reading about her made me play better in my pirate game.
http://badassoftheweek.com/lamaupin.html
The author of the list must be turning in their grave at the thought of gourmand scents
Ami,
My husband sends his hugs, and I as well.
MRAL does not seem to understand the laws of gravity. At a 34 sometime 36 frame with large breasts at 45 I’m considering a reduction, which would be my first plastic surgery except for the lazar eye thing. Reason being they are starting to get uncomfortable, no other reason then that. MRAL instead pictured a person with almost twice my frame and an uncountable breast size as being ideal.
Yet he hates large framed women. How could this make sense? Even in the anime world women are pictured with 32 inch at most frames with double F breasts .
I’m assuming he won’t come back onto this thread. I also assume that he’s feeling wronged about his treatment here.
It’s especially funny since one of those what smells turn people on experiments found that the smell men found most arousing was blueberry muffins. I’m assuming it may be the vanilla?
Julie D’Aubigny was a 17th-century bisexual French opera singer and fencing master who killed or wounded at least ten men in life-or-death duels, performed nightly shows on the biggest and most highly-respected opera stage in the world, and once took the Holy Orders just so that she could sneak into a convent and bang a nun.
I think I may be in love with this woman.
Ah ha! “Byron was among those still complaining that children disliked washing and hence always smelled of bread and butter, or worse”
Eh, I’ve seen some boobs in anime that if they were real would require a major work of engineering as a bra. However…they definitely weren’t on a 60anything frame. Seriously, I’m not convinced that that exists. It’s just that MRAL doesn’t understand how women’s bodies (or bras) work.
At this point I’m rather baffled by his hate-on for me. Apparently if I say anything negative about a man’s appearance that’s bad, but if I say anything positive that’s bad too. I’m not sure how women are supposed to decide which men to date or fuck in his worldview – flip a coin, maybe?
In MRAL’s world, women aren’t allowed to decide. They stand there until MRAL comes along and puts a coin in the slot …
Why don’t women come with cheat codes or an override switch? Bitches.
*hugs* Ami. I think it’s totally okay to be like “he is someone I used to like” and also “he violated me.” I mean, rapists and abusers don’t wear signs on their foreheads, you know? They’re not slavering beasts. So you can get good memories with them before, and even the abuse doesn’t make the good memories bad. That’s not how it works. :/ But yeah, *all the hugs.*
I think vampires are kind of overplayed, actually. :/ I like wizards, though. I’ll read anything with a wizard in it.
I love how a twenty-three-year-old is unimaginably old. Man, if I took that advice I’d be married to High School Boyfriend, which… I mean, I guess it could be worse. There are worse men in the world, and he’d treat me nicely, but FUCK I’m glad I’m in a world in which I’m twenty and not in “some danger of being single.”
There’s this problem on Literotica a lot where the writers feel the need to put down numbers (they can’t say “she was short and thin with large breasts”, they have to say “she was 5’4″ and 100 pounds with 32DDs”). I don’t know why. Unfortunately, many of them seem to have no idea how bras work, and when one describes the female character as a petite woman with a 45C… well, it gives one an interesting mental image.
The other problem is that it gives me the irresistible mental image that post-sex the characters take out their tape measures…