Life Before Feminism: A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart
An alert reader pointed me to this amazing “map” from the 1830s, posted on Ptak Science Books and originally found here. Described as “A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart,” it presents a less-than-flattering picture of the supposed shallowness, vanity and selfishness of the female of the species. Click on the pic above to see it full size.
It’s amazing how closely this resembles so many Manosphere “critiques” of evil modern women; the main difference is that it’s a bit more polite in its language. Also, no mention of stinky vaginas.
Manospherians love to talk about “taking the red pill,” as if their ideas are all new and cool and Matrixy. Actually, of course, their ideas are old as fuck. It’s more like they are taking a gulp of Dr. Flimflam’s Electro Magnetic Misogyny Fluid.
Below, another amazing picture also found on Ptak, which presents data on where women’s eyes linger when looking at men. (Again, click on it to see it full size.) I suspect this one would be a bit more confounding to the Manospherians of today, in that it doesn’t show women looking only at the dude’s wallet. The post on Ptak offers a more detailed explanation of what this picture is about.
Posted on January 20, 2012, in $MONEY$, evil women, life before feminism, misogyny, pics, reactionary bullshit, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 664 Comments.
MRAL…apparently your looking for a redhead with the chest girth of a man and breasts bigger than beachballs. Okay so you’re into hentai…just realize that hentai chicks aer pretty scarce and therefore hard to date.
As far as being ugly to pissy little boys…that’s something to celebrate. Getting older is also something to celebrate. It means I don’t have to deal with some screwed up horseshit every time I leave my house. And that is something I looked forward to for much of my adult life.
I’m just done with MRAL. I tried to reach out to him and explain that he’s not alone struggling in dating but he doesn’t care so fuck it. Especially with someone with such a shitty attitude as his.
There were no goth guys in my highschool, I was kinda goth but I had a crush on this one guy for the entire 4 years. He barely acknowledged my existence :/
The mra dudes let too many outside influences bring them down. Wasting their lives away.
MRAL, I just want to say that, in the hypthetical that you are not attracted to women at all, that is okay, and you needn’t keep up posturing in front of us.
Fine, lowquacks, because those are the only women I do find attractive, and every other women is ugly as all shit. That includes you, Cassandra. You are ugly, ugly, ugly as fuck and I want nothing to do with you, nor can I imagine anyone else wanting anything to do with you, ugly person.
And you insist you’re not abusive? o_O
Damn, MRAL. Don’t you realize that we haven’t been picking on your *looks* all this time, but your *soul*? :P
MRAL is attracted to women up until their genitalia, then he wants cocks apparently. He once said that vaginas suck and “cocks are where it’s at” or something like that (penises, dicks, don’t remember the exact word he used)
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*looks sideways*
um… where’s the exit here?
It is good he can’t find dates because that means women do have brains. They know a bad seed when they see one. It ain’t rocket science to spot, read emails and profiles, and all that. Glaring red flags coming out of every hole. Shame they don’t admit their laziness on working on themselves, letting go of blame game and all. They know damn well they are the problem, they just pretend to be ignorant because online is the only time they have an audience.
@CassandraSays
Oh shit, my bad!! David, can you remove the link from my post? This one’s clean http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/portfoliolist/3940963.cms
I’ll note the pTack piece points out that Point #19 on the drawing (the left of the groin), isn’t detailed on the diagram, even though it’s marked. There may have been some crotch-gazing going on.
So the dude hates what he can’t have. Predictable behavior from someone selfcentered and selfish. He pretends to not like vagina that’s why he protest so loudly against it. It’s all an act to get people to coddle him like a baby. Im sure folks in the real world/real time know all too well what his mojo is, so the internet is his source of socializing and being heard. This goes for all them angry mra’s.
Oh, I love male goths. I love them so much. I never really grew out of that phase. I really think the first few guys I dated sort of set the template in terms of my later sexual interests, since my taste in women is a lot more diverse.
MRAL: What the fuck, dude? You’re still coming back here? This is pathetic. GET SOME FUCKING HELP.
Run, Ami, run! If you ever dye your hair dark you’re in trouble.
MRAL, you are saying things that you don’t believe in an attempt to annoy and offend people. Even if this sort of behavior gives you a little temporary rush, it is not going to increase your overall happiness. Take a break from this site and work on developing friendships in your offline life.
@ MRAL
MRAL, you will continue to be an embittered, angry loser until you form some relationships with women. You need to explore your sexuality with a woman and stop being so afraid. This will not happen so long as your obvious fear of women continues. There are many, many women who want to explore their sexuality. They have personal fears and personal desires. I imagine in real life you are shy and sensitive – why not try, really hard, to meet a woman, don’t bring your MRA baggage with you. Just treat her how you’d like to be treated yourself. Keep in mind that she probably just wants someone to have some fun with.
Your current, sad, argumentative, typical MRA lifestyle is going nowhere. You are a pathetic figure. Look 10, 20 years into the future. Do you want to be like one of the bitter clones on AVfM or do you want to be able to look back on this year and last and the phase in your life when you eventually dragged yourself out of the attention seeking quagmire you’re in and addressed your wants and fears.
There’s two obvious paths. Right now, you’re walking down the one marked “MRA” and glancing at the other one enviously.
Women frighten you because you view yourself as pathetic. You are pathetic. Stop being pathetic. Start treating others with consideration and be honest with yourself.
To those manboobzers who will object to what I write, I agree with you, to some extent. MRAL doesn’t deserve any sympathy or anyone’s time. He’s obviously got severe issues and projects them onto women in general. This will continue until he realizes that they are normal human beings like him.
If he doesn’t realize this, well, he’ll fit right into the MRM and live a very sad and lonely life.
It’s up to him.
Jesus god, MRAl, get some fucking help. We are not your therapists, we have no obligation whatsoever to take you seriously. You’re a hateful little douchebag, and the sooner you realize that and get help, the better. For you and the rest of the world.
CassandraSays | January 20, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Run, Ami, run! If you ever dye your hair dark you’re in trouble.
My hair used to be red in high school. O:
Better keep it blonde >_>
I never grew out of that goth guy phase either, though now I’ve added 60 year old sports radio hosts to the list :D
Now if there was a goth sports radio host…
There’s two obvious paths. Right now, you’re walking down the one marked “MRA” and glancing at the other one enviously.
There’s a guard on each path at the fork. One always tells lies, the other always tell truths. How do you know which path will lead to MRAness and which path will lead to Feminism?
MRAL, you will continue to be an embittered, angry loser until you form some relationships with women. You need to explore your sexuality with a woman and stop being so afraid. This will not happen so long as your obvious fear of women continues. There are many, many women who want to explore their sexuality. They have personal fears and personal desires. I imagine in real life you are shy and sensitive – why not try, really hard, to meet a woman, don’t bring your MRA baggage with you. Just treat her how you’d like to be treated yourself. Keep in mind that she probably just wants someone to have some fun with.
I think this is pretty dangerous advice, actually. I would honestly be afraid for any woman MRAL got into any kind of relationship with right now. Therapy first. Lots of therapy.
Yeah Dracula is right. That’s part of the problem. MRAL (like a lot of angry Nice Guys™ and the such) is hoping for a relationship/girlfriend to solve all his problems and make him happy. “If only…” seems to be the catchword for him… “If only women would like me” “If only I had a girlfriend who loved me” “If only I could have sex…”
There’s an angry, bearded man arranging logistics, badly, at one of the paths?
@ Dracula
I could be wrong, but I think he is so scared that he’s no threat to anyone. I also think that once he loses his virginity and experiences some sort of intimacy and doesn’t have a woman recoil in horror at him, he’ll change.
@Happy yup! And you want to avoid him.
You can only ask one question to one of the guards, but you don’t know which guard always lies and which guard always tells the truth. How do you avoid MRAness and get to Feminism? (or vice versa depending on your life goals xD )
I’m sure he thinks that too, but he won’t. I’ve seen the way he treats the people here who’ve shown him kindness.
if MRAL feels he’s in a position in a relationship where ppl care about him, I dunno what he might do… his behaviour on this forum seems to indicate that he will push selfishly for whatever he feels like at the time, even if it means hurting people, or lashing out at anger just because he’s angry, if he thinks ppl will tolerate him… and there are lots of ppl he might date that have the personality who might :\
@ AMI
You ask the angry, bearded keeper of the MRA path if three months is enough time to carry out a very straightforward task, like transport yourself to a certain destination…
Did Paul Elam falsely allege that there was going to be an MRA march? The LIAR!!
Let’s start an entire political movement to expose him.
Why should any woman have to deal with him as he is now, though? I feel like saying “well once he has a relationship he’ll get better” is a. putting the responsibility for his shitty behavior on women (for not sleeping with him yet) and b. basically asking some poor random woman to take one for the team.
MRAL, you are acting like an asshole and you need to stop. I’ve been one of your most vocal advocates, since I recognize my anger in you, and since you and I are both in academia right now it’s easy to envision myself in your place. But if I were Futrelle, I’d ban you until you went to therapy. Because you need to get help.
bobbyjo:
Uh…huh. Well.
He seems to feel justified in saying hurtful things to people as long as he can justify it as being “anger” or in “haste”. He’d never do it to somebody who was a stranger, or his boss, but people he feels WOULD take it, he might do it too. :\ A relationship, not only wouldn’t solve his problems right now, it would be possibly really bad for the other person because MRAL where he is now, just wants to take. He sees a relationship, even friendships, as one way… and that’s really unhealthy and as CassandraSays, this would be a real person we’re talking about who has to take it simply for MRAL to get some life experience…
If David did ban him, do you think he’d still read constantly? We know (from my experiment last night xD ) at least one banned troll does.
Which experiment was that, Ami?
Like MRAL might just end up emailing people his angry rants and responses to stuff he reads here. Buttman did that on the forum (with a healthy dose of transphobia) as does Forweg… >_>
Not that that’s not a reason xD I’m just saying he probably would find a way to get his fix. (what IS it about Manboobz that’s so addictive? should the FDA get involved?)
I wouldn’t wish MRAL in his current state on my worst enemy.
Actually I think his internal logic is that the people he lashes out at are bad people who’ve been cruel to him, so he’s justified in retaliating. Which is where the problem starts, with his conceptualization of what constitutes cruelty to him, but also this is why I said that his behavior is following a classic abuse script, ie if I hit you it’s because you made me do it. It’s like Meller without the dolls and the flowery Victorian language.
Maybe instead of Manboobz the site should be named ManCrack…
(hides)
Yup, he does feel absolutely justified. If you notice, he doesn’t ACTUALLY apologize. He only says “I did it in haste” or “I did it because I’m angry”. It’s an explanation, and a justification. >_>
Manboobzcrack? xD
Let’s not forget his latest justification: “I was high.”
I agree with a lot of other people that MRAL really shouldn’t date anyone until he sorts himself out a little bit. Among other things, he really needs to learn to work through his extreme anger and jealousy, because as it stands right now, I don’t want to think about what could happen the first time his hypothetical girlfriend mentions in passing that she had a crush on a hot guy in high school, or thinks Russell Brand has stupid hair, or whatever random issue pushes MRAL’s rage-button that day.
Neways, we should move on from the MRAlysis xD
So how bout them Patriots?
The levels of jealously and paranoia MRAL displays toward people he barely knows is already bordering on horrifying. The emotional investment a relationship entails is only going to make it worse.
@Polliwog or says US instead of “America”, or doesn’t like every work GRRM’s ever written, or etc etc…
the other problem is MRAL’s opinions are never just opinions, they’re objective truth and he. is. right.
What Superbowl match up are ppl (if they watch USan football) hoping for?
I want Patriots vs Giants, a re-match of 2007 :D
So anyway, back to a previous topic: I agree that goths are totally hot.
Can we go back to talking about people we find hot? That was more fun.
(Even though we know we will never get to sleep with them, in most cases.)
Here’s another one! For Quackers – reason why you should see the live-action version of Nana. Check out the guy who plays Ren.
Of course I’m a fashion geek and he’s a bit young to be anything other than eye candy from my perspective so I’m mostly going “ooh, check out the shirt!”.
I have difficulty with this topic a little (that’s not to say switch it, just cards on the table for me) b/c the guy I was really attracted to in HS (who was goth then) was also the guy who years later.. violated… me… :\
My brain seems to still have trouble processing that he was my best friend and this awesome crush in HS (he shows up in my dreams that go back to HS and is still my friend) to the guy who did that to me… and I hate myself for it and I always don’t know how I can still remember back and … I dunno :(
@bobbyjo
It’s true. His attitude will exude in his aura (as hippy dippy as that sounds) no one can hold that much anger inside and not let some of it out. Women…anyone really, can sense that and will stay far away. He’s shooting himself in the foot by not getting help, it’s unfortunate.
Aw, Ami. That’s horrible. Are you still able to be attracted to other people? We can stop talking about this if it’s bugging you.
Oh, I’m sorry, Ami. :(
@Cassandra
yeeeeeeah!!! Ren is hot haha. I really gotta watch that one of these days.
argh. back to cleaning -_-
(Waits for inevitable rant about “why are you being so nice to her and not meeeeeeee?!)
And really the only good social memories I have of that period were cuz of him… (my life pre-transition was filled with depression and self-hate and suicide attempts otherwise)… so a lot of the “OH I DID THAT WHEN I WAS A TEEN!” thing are tinged with “oh fuck it’s also him with me, and that’s why it was so happy but… then… *cries* :( BRAIN AHHHHHH I DUNNO HOW TO HANDLE, WHY AM I STILL THINKING HAPPY MEMORIES OF THE PAST WHEN THAT HAPPENED LATER… DOES THIS MEAN I WASN’T REALLY…. violated…. b/c I should just hate all the old memories too shouldn’t i!? and I do and I don’t and it’s not immediate and I dunno! ;-;”
I dun make sense do I? :(
oh shit….I’m so sorry Ami :( will promptly shut my mouth about goth guys.
@Cassandra I don’t know… I honestly am not sure outside that I “like” people, when I really feel attracted to people and when I just want to be around them… the only person I ever felt feelings for was him, and I haven’t felt anything like it otherwise… and now I worry I’m just broken or I don’t really know if I DO like ppl, or maybe I just can’t like nebody… :( Like I talk about intellectual crushes I have on people, or I find ppl physically attractive, but it’s still on this weird separate level from my feelings… I don’t feel gooshy or nething… :|
I just want the Patriots to win the Superbowl! I do not care who they play, though.
Putting on my psych student hat…were you physically attracted to him back then? If so, it sounds like fear/trauma has led to you creating sort of a mental barrier so that you don’t get hurt again.
No! I didn’t want that!
I just wanted to explain why this is weird Dx and then it kinda came pouring out and stuff… I didn’t mean to just ramble on like that D:
Go back to talking about Goth guys! i just… I dunno… BAH!
MEOW!
sry :( my brain shifts without a clutch when it goes back to my memories instinctively… like “YEAH THAT WAS HAPPY TIME- fuck.. it’s him… but… x_x”
@Bostonian you wouldn’t be a very good Bostonian otherwise! :D
For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s wrong or inconsistent to feel that way. You still felt the way you felt before it happened, and you can’t change your memories. It doesn’t invalidate anything.
I can shut up about it now if you want.
Memory is a weird thing. Like, I think the reason that I don’t like blond guys is that my first childhood enemy was a blond, blue eyed boy (we were horrible little brats to each other, we both kept getting in trouble for doing shit like throwing paint at each other). I think I would have had a preference for men with dark hair anyway because of the whole goth thing, but I’m also sure that the memory of that one kid has influenced my attraction patterns in some ways.
@CassandraSays I was attracted to him… and his style, and his personality and his brain and… everything… :|
My childhood best friend was also a blond boy with blue eyes, just to complicate things further! So I think that men who look like that tend to register as either brother or enemy in my subconscious, rather than as potential sex partners.
no don’t shut up :3 *hugs dracula and cassandra* ty for letting me go blugh :(
I want the Patriots to win.. but if they don’t I want anybody but the Giants xD
No problem. We all gotta go blugh sometimes. *hugs*
@ Ami – definitely sounds like a mental block then, like your subconscious is trying to protect you by making sure no one has the opportunity to hurt you in the same way again.
(Hugs)
Sending out happy vibes to Ami, and hugs if you want them.
MRA Lions!