Life Before Feminism: A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart
An alert reader pointed me to this amazing “map” from the 1830s, posted on Ptak Science Books and originally found here. Described as “A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart,” it presents a less-than-flattering picture of the supposed shallowness, vanity and selfishness of the female of the species. Click on the pic above to see it full size.
It’s amazing how closely this resembles so many Manosphere “critiques” of evil modern women; the main difference is that it’s a bit more polite in its language. Also, no mention of stinky vaginas.
Manospherians love to talk about “taking the red pill,” as if their ideas are all new and cool and Matrixy. Actually, of course, their ideas are old as fuck. It’s more like they are taking a gulp of Dr. Flimflam’s Electro Magnetic Misogyny Fluid.
Below, another amazing picture also found on Ptak, which presents data on where women’s eyes linger when looking at men. (Again, click on it to see it full size.) I suspect this one would be a bit more confounding to the Manospherians of today, in that it doesn’t show women looking only at the dude’s wallet. The post on Ptak offers a more detailed explanation of what this picture is about.
Posted on January 20, 2012, in $MONEY$, evil women, life before feminism, misogyny, pics, reactionary bullshit, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 664 Comments.
Clearly that first map was drawn by DKM!
That second image is missing a significant data point, but maybe it got filed under “trousers.”
:)
My favorite is the bolded, underlined credit under the heart map – BY A LADY.
It’s a WOMAN’S heart, by a LADY. See, two different things )
I like that the map includes that terrible vice, novel reading*. I think I’m missing out on the meaning of “District No. 1″, though? Did the artist run out of shallow assumptions?
I intend to visit the Pyramids of Fashion someday.
*Yes, I know that novel reading used to be seen as something morally sketchy. It’s pretty interesting how that has changed.
@ Holly
To be fair, the trousers are all you can really see. Maybe women didn’t look at them for very long because they quickly realized that they weren’t going to be able to see anything interesting.
Clearly I have spent too much time visiting the Pyramids of Fashion, because my first thought was “what an ugly, boxy suit”.
paging Spearhafoc …
I always look at the hat first.
Sentiment and Love do get a place on the map at least, albeit one small corner walled in on all sides by a mountain range. The lady who drew up the map obviously had a poor opinion of other women.
As for the missing data point, Holly, DKM would probably say “Nice ladies don’t allow their gaze to linger there!” (Being partial to a bit of covert crotch watching myself, thus I am definitely not a nice lady.)
CassandraSays – But such good posture! We really don’t indoctrinate posture into the youth like we used to.
Also, you can tell that heart map wasn’t made by an MRA, because it includes “love,” “prudence,” “enthusiasm,” “good sense,” and the like in the Country Of Solid Worth.
Well, men back then needed good posture. To make sure their hats didn’t fall off.
I actually do tend to notice men with good posture. Mostly because it makes their shoulders and chest look nice.
I almost want to identify that guy as ex-military just by his incredible posture.
Then again, I guess a healthy man of that age in that era was very likely to be ex-military, what with WWII and all.
Roissy commeter says lets beat up women! no the manosphere isn’t misogynistic or violent at all, where would you get THAT idea?
is it sad that this just doesn’t surprise me anymore? this is under his latest post ironically about “false” rape culture. Is it any surprise that the creep who pushes the idea that no means yes when women say it is trying to deny rape culture?
Also lol at this OP. I found the top image a week ago. Its cringe worthy but kinda funny so I saved it anyway. Large chunks of my heart seem to be missing according to this…dunno how I’m still alive xD
I notice when women have good posture, and 60DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD tits, and .5x.5″ lips, and a perfectly symmetrical face, and brown hair, and pale skin (but not too pale!) perfect legs, longish hair (but not too long!), green eyes flecked with gold, and impeccable makeup. The rest can fuck off and go die in a fire, as CassandraSays would say.
I see that MRAL still hasn’t contacted his university’s mental health services department.
Alright, Who won the ‘when will MRAL break his flounce’ bet?
” As a bonus there’s a good chance of smokin’ hot sex afterwards.”
So his definition of “smokin’ hot sex” is sex with someone who’s bleeding and possibly unconscious? Well, I suppose blood is quite warm…
MRAL, people finding other people hot is not passive-aggressive hostility to you. If you only find women like that attractive, it’s okay. It’ll be tricky to find women like that – that’s not a real bra size for a start – but that’d be entirely okay. Most people don’t find people saying that they find things or people attractive offensive like that. I feel you’d be a lot happier if you didn’t.
@Cassandra
being the type of sick fuck that reads Roissy’s shit and writes comments about beating women, yeah I wouldn’t put it pass him. I wouldn’t put it passed a lot of them actually.
You ladies sure do love ties. Is that because a tie indicates that your intended victim has a high-paying job? HYPERGAMY I SAY, SHEER HYPERGAMY
The funny thing is that other than the improbable bra size, MRAL and I seem to be attracted to somewhat similar women (though I don’t care about skin tone). Maybe he’s mad at me because I’m more likely to be able to sleep with them than he is?
But yeah – learn how bras work, kid. A woman with a 60whatever bra size (which I don’t think exists) would be rather large all over, which I gather isn’t what you were attempting to communicate. If you mean skinny with big boobs then what you’re looking for is small number/big letters.
*past
Yeah women with big tits tend to be bigger in other places too…too bad those fat bitches had to go ruin it for you poor oppressed menz huh?
is this gonna turn into another “who I find hot” thread because HELLO http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1330560/
We could do that!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0437580/
Fine, lowquacks, because those are the only women I do find attractive, and every other women is ugly as all shit. That includes you, Cassandra. You are ugly, ugly, ugly as fuck and I want nothing to do with you, nor can I imagine anyone else wanting anything to do with you, ugly person.
(Shrugs)
Who cares? I don’t give a shit whether or not you find me attractive, angry child. Now please get some therapy.
I’ve said my piece. I’m done. Think on it.
You ladies sure do love ties. Is that because a tie indicates that your intended victim has a high-paying job? HYPERGAMY I SAY, SHEER HYPERGAMY
Personally, I like them because they make terrific handles to sexily (albeit gently, because I don’t actually want to strangle him) pull a guy taller than me down for a kiss. Mmm.
If I were dating a guy shorter than me, I’d totally wear a tie as often as possible so he could do it, too. Also because women in ties often look super hot.
If that’s what you think CassandraSays, or, actually, anyone on this site ever, has tried to project by saying they find people hot, you’re getting angry at things people didn’t actually say, imply, or mean. That’s not fun for anyone involved!
In fact, trying to insult or offend people by describing what you find hot is a bit like trying to insult or offend people by telling them your favourite vegetable. Even if it’s a super-rare, mega-expensive vegetable. Even if they have a very different favourite vegetable, or hate that vegetable. If they’re going to cook for you soon, it could be a good thing for them to know, but beyond that it’s just a preference.
…What is your favourite vegetable, MRAL?
MRAL, there’s an ugly person here, and it’s YOU. Fuck off, go away, call student health, and keep on fucking off. Find a site where they don’t know you or care that you’re a vile little shit.
As far as the OP, I bet DKM is going to have it blown up and framed.
MRAL is lying. He finds lots of women attractive, it’s just that they don’t reciprocate the attraction. His way of dealing with this is to try and jab at women by telling them they’re ugly. Funny that misogynists go to that well first. But sexism doesn’t exist…
Also!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0533599/
I don’t normally go for blonds, but he made rather an impression on me in the first thing I ever saw him in (The Buddha of Surburbia – where he got to smooch Naveen Andrews!).
I’ve thought on it, MRAL, and have concluded that you really need to get some therapy as soon as possible.
He’s not bad, Cassandra, but I’ll take Damien Lewis any day.
None of the men you fancy look anything like me! Why are you being so mean to me?
I’m somewhat saddened that I sound fairly close to MRAL’s “type.” Thankfully, I do not actually have an incredibly enormous ribcage, so I’m safe at least until he learns how bras work. :-p
MRAL must have had a bad day at school so he thought he’d try to come here and take it out on us. Classic abuser. I wonder why he doesn’t have friends.
Oh no! Sorry about that, lowquacks. Would a hug help? Sexual attraction is not required in order to give great hugs.
MRAL: I’ve said my piece. I’m done. Think on it.
…. thinks a bit…
Someone in the world thinks someone else is ugly… Damn… I’ll have to go kill myself now, all hope for happiness is gone.
Esp. because the person who thinks them ugly is someone whom they have zero interest in. Yep, that was a zinger, a real scorcher of an insult.
ffff…..cheekbones http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0614165/
You’d just think about hugging an alpha while doing it, floozy.
@lowquacks
I’m pretty sure none of the gals most guys find attractive look like me either, but thems the breaks I guess. Still hugs to you, especially for having “quacks” in your name xD
Also, I love matsutake mushrooms. I apologize for destroying the self esteem of white buttons mushrooms, but what can I say – I like big (mushrooom) caps and I cannot lie.
(The Buddha of Surburbia – where he got to smooch Naveen Andrews!).
…I’ll be in my bunk.
MRAL, you should think on things BEFORE you post them. Not post whatever your brain dribbles out and then ask others to tie them together with coherency.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000310/
can anyone guess what one of my favorite movies is now based on the actors I posted? lol
Can’t say I’m too bothered about the women-finding-attractive thing. I did wonder while picking the name about it being to close to yours, but evidently you don’t mind.
Hmm, I wonder if Netflix has The Buddha of Surburbia…that show was awesome. Written by Hanif Kureishi! Naveen Andrews and Steven Mackintosh rolling around on the floor making out! Making fun of pretentious English hippies! The auntie with blue hair!
I’m completely bonkers for the guy in the Captain Morgan commercials. Is that weird?
@lowquacks
haha no not at all :P
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0339460/
Underrated as an actress and underrated as a hottie!
More men we love!
http://www.hotflick.net/pictures/996KMS_Ramon_Tikaram_021.html
And again, he was in a movie with Naveen Andrews (and 2 gorgeous women), for bonus eye candy. Fun fact! His little sister is 80s British pop star Tanita Tikaram.
@Shadow
Oh she’s from Jawbreaker! Strange movie that one was.
He is also trolling the forums too XD
Must have seen a pretty girl today and been ENRAGED that she was SPITTING ON HIM by not immediately stopping what she was doing and asking him on a date.
mral I mean…
A date? Doesn’t that make her a money-grubbing whore? She should have just hopped on his cock.
Some years back a friend of mine was working as a phone sex… I’m not sure what the noun is here. Operator? Performer? Anyway, she did phone sex. And guys would often call in and describe the type of woman they were interested in, and she would have different names/personas to match (so if they wanted a tall black woman, she would be that, and if they wanted a curvy redhead, she would be that, etc.) And she found it both funny and really sad how little some of them knew about how women’s bodies work. “I want a woman who’s 5’10, 110 pounds, with big tits – like 40DD!” And so on. They might as well have been using a random number generator.
(But my favorite story was the one where they were going through foreplay, and she said “I’m rubbing my clit” and he said, “Great, you’ve found it already!” I know that laughing at the incels is almost as bad as using the c-word, but really, some guys… well let’s just say I understand why they might be willing to pay all that money to spend an hour talking on the phone to a woman who is probably cooking or ironing her laundry while she’s talking dirty to them.)
More hotties to enrage boys who find the idea of women lusting over men who are not them offensive! Not that he’s not talented and all, but let’s face it – he wouldn’t be as famous as he is if he didn’t look like this.
Apologies if this has been raised before, but I really wonder if MRAL just gets hate-crushes on people here. I know he was fixated on ozymandias for a while and now all it seems to be directed at CassandraSays. It’s really not healthy MRAL, you know…
Also, on the subject of hot people – I’ve such a crush on this guy…
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134922/
I met him once, shook his hand. Can’t report a scintillating convo, however, as I was virtually struck dumb and spent most of the 5 min encounter just smiling and nodding like an eejit.
@Quackers
I mainly know her from her TV cameos and I’ve loved her every single time
@burgundy
I’m not surprised. I found the bra derail very informative
http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2012/01/ewan-mcgregor-for-gq-magazine.html
http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2011/11/michael-fassbender-for-gq-magazine.html
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2985596928/nm0000899
I could go on, but I feel like I have boring taste in celebrities. My taste in real people is significantly more eclectic.
Pretty! Just FYI though, as soon as I clicked that link my antivirus went into MUST BLOCK ATTACK mode.
So much for him leaving, as usual e_e
He’s addicted to Manboobz, even though the habit is apparently emotionally killing him. I wonder if they make patches for that… xD
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 20, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Fine, lowquacks, because those are the only women I do find attractive, and every other women is ugly as all shit. That includes you, Cassandra. You are ugly, ugly, ugly as fuck and I want nothing to do with you, nor can I imagine anyone else wanting anything to do with you, ugly person.
I thought simply by being a woman, Cassandra could get any guy she wanted, and simply being a man, you can’t afford to have standards because you’re lucky to get any female of any species. xD
I had a big emo boy phase…I suppose I still sort of do but it’s toned down a lot more since I finished college. I usually go from classically handsome to edgy emo/goth dudes. Geeky guys are cute too.
I think MRAL is attracted to the ppl he picks on the most… he lashes out b/c he doesn’t want to admit it… or it’s like a nuclear neg or something xD
My biggest crush in HS was this gothy guy…
Yeah, we’re going to remember this shit the next time you go into WHYYY WON’T YOU LOVE MEEEEE???? mode.