MRAs and Children First: The Spearhead on the Costa Concordia disaster
From The Spearhead, where feminists dying is HILARIOUS.
Most of the coverage of the Costa Concordia disaster at the moment seems to be focusing on the Italian cruise ship’s captain and his douchey behavior, which involved not only running the ship aground but also abandoning ship prestissimo while passengers remained trapped on board.
MRAs, by contrast, are using the tragedy as an excuse to rail against the notion of “women and children first” and, of course, to make jokes about women drowning.
Now, the Titanic aside, “women and children first” isn’t now, and hasn’t ever really been, the standard way to evacuate those on a sinking ship, though many in the public — including some of those who were on board the Costa Concordia – seem to believe that it is. (See here for more details on how evacuations are typically handled these days; generally only those with mobility problems are given special treatment.)
In the case of this particular evacuation, some on board apparently tried to enforce an informal “women and children” policy, but many men weren’t willing to wait.
What’s got some MRAs in a snit is that some people, in the media and online, are calling these dudes cowards. In The Daily Mail, a right-wing British tabloid, A N Wilson wrote:
[I]n our day, with the advent of feminism and the professional woman, chivalry and manners are considered stuffy and old-fashioned.
As the father of three daughters, I do not, with a single fibre of my being, wish to go back to a time when women could not have the vote or get a university degree. Nor do I, surrounded by extremely strong-charactered and intelligent women in my family and among my friends, feel tempted to regard women as the frail sex.
But the fact remains that there is a longing among most men to protect women and children, and chivalry is simply a manifestation of that longing.
And whatever transpires about the reason for the Costa Concordia disaster, the disappearance of a chivalric code is a sorry reflection on society today.
This is not what you’d call a feminist argument; it’s a traditionalist argument, published in a tabloid rag that’s generally quite hostile to feminism.
Nonetheless, some MRAs are using the Costa Concordia disaster as an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to the … imaginary feminists who live in their head.
Over on The Spearhead, where one familiar commenter actually described Wilson’s Daily Mail article as “feminist,” guest poster Lyn87 wrote:
The MRM is getting more vocal, and a lot of guys are now saying, “You wanted equality. This is what it looks like.” And they are saying it aloud and in public. Even a few women chimed in, saying that men have no obligation to die for women if women want equality. (Somehow I suspect there wasn’t much, “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me drown” on the Costa Concordia itself, but hey, it’s a start.)
MRAs: Always up-to-the-minute with their pop culture references!
This post was helpfully illustrated with a stock photo of a woman drowning.
Commenters got in their digs as well.
Keyster riffed on Lyn87’s incredibly au courant Helen Reddy reference:
I am woman hear me…blurp….rah…gurgle…raha…ffftt…orr…roar…gurgle…help me…somebody…fffft…please…blurp…help…help me please!
Aharon told both ladies and fish what’s what:
I eat fish. Fish don’t eat me. My life is too precious to sacrifice it so some spoiled bitch can have a pussy pass into the life boats.
Anti Idiocy got all hypothetical-cruise-ship tough guy on us:
Anyone who attempts to keep me on a sinking ship because of the genitals with which I was born is attempting to murder me. I have the right to respond accordingly.
And Thomas Tell-truth kicked chivalry – not to mention basic human decency — to the ocean floor:
Equality means that when the ship is going down and you are a woman, you had better get out of my way or you are going to drown with my footprints on your back.
Apparently Thomas Tell-truth is actually George Costanza:
Jeb, meanwhile, offered a more scientific rationalization for being a complete douchenozzle:
As far as I’ve heard, the one and only sport in which women naturally out-do men is endurance swimming. Women are also more bouyant, and as survivalists will explain, women float easiest on their backs (making it easy to breathe while expending minimal energy) whereas men float easiest in “the dead man’s float” (ie. face down, head in the water) and must expend more energy to stay alive. Furthermore, women have more body-fat than men which insulates them better against aquatic dangers such as hypothermia.
Given all these factors it is quite rational for men to pick women up by the seat of their pants and toss them overboard to make way for men and children to safely be rowed ashore on the lifeboats.
It’s all about doing the right thing and saving lives, after all.
MRA humor is very sophisticated indeed.
EDITED TO ADD: The Spearhead has put up a followup post, once again taking aim at imaginary “lifeboat feminists,” though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of “women and children” is Rich Lowry from the National Review (not a feminist publication).
Posted on January 18, 2012, in antifeminism, douchebaggery, evil women, gloating, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, that's not funny!, the fucking titanic, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 1,082 Comments.
I HAVE ALSO CASTRATED MY CAT BECAUSE FEMINISM.
Blockquote fail on my part, but whatever.
I HAVE ALSO TRAINED MY CAT TO START WITH THE GENITALS
Feminists these days and their ipods and short attention spans. Back in the day, real feminists attacked everything BUT the genitals first… good torture comes to those who wait…
To be fair, they’re only silhouettes of short-haired people with blocky bodies. They’re not that gender-specific.
He’s the only one of our trolls who had the gall to beg for our sympathy and acceptance before and after shitting all over us. That makes the subsequent shitting personal, man.
And now I’m sure he’s telling himself “if they’d only loved me harder, if they’d only stopped going mean things like disagreeing with me and holding me to standards, I wouldn’t have gone back to the MRA side!” Bullshit, dude. There are people who’ve gotten a lot fewer hugs than you who aren’t assholes. You made the decision to be an asshole; now fucking own it or get out.
Actually, just get out.
I’m pretty sure this is not how it worked for me, unless by “flash your boobs” you mean “flash your pristine lack of a criminal record and two forms of ID, then wait a week.” Which is exactly how my ex-boyfriend bought a Glock last time we went gun shopping together, despite his woefully boob-less state.
“Aw, five days?! But I’m angry now!!” – Homer Simpson
I’m pretty sure this is not how it worked for me, unless by “flash your boobs” you mean “flash your pristine lack of a criminal record and two forms of ID, then wait a week.” Which is exactly how my ex-boyfriend bought a Glock last time we went gun shopping together, despite his woefully boob-less state.
Restrictions on men. You’ve just proven my point.
Restrictions on men. You’ve just proven my point.
…By pointing out that the exact same restrictions apply to women?
Either your point is secretly “women and men face the same hurdles when trying to buy handguns,” or it’s “men should not have to face any kinds of hurdles when trying to buy handguns.” If it’s the latter, then your “point” about boob-flashing is totally irrelevant; if it’s the former, then we’re not actually on opposite sides here.
The MRA’s keep saying that feminists shouldn’t discuss women not having the right to vote, because that was ages ago, and is no longer relevant. Then, they’ll turn around and bring up the Titanic disaster as their proof that today’s men are considered disposable. In MRA Land, the 19th Amendment passed in 1920, which is ancient history. The Titanic disaster happened in 1912, which is apparently breaking news.
They’re teaching you to aim for the center of mass. You know who, statistically, have greater centers of mass than women and are therefore hypothetically easier to hit at seven meters with a 9mm? Men! OH THE MISANDRITY…..
Of course, in the movies James Bond is practicing on an interactive target range where cardboard mooks suddenly pop out of doors and policemen spring from concealed spaces, and 007 is only supposed to shoot the mooks. Who are always male. MRAL, do you want to complain about James Bond only shooting cardboard male mooks?
Antz: You are a liar. I googled Waldorf’s suicide. He wasn’t divorced. He wasn’t paying child support. His home wasn’t in foreclosure. His suicide is linked to war-related PTSD, and it’s not the fault of women. Here is the real story. I really hope the MRA misogynist piece of shit who appropriated Waldorf’s name and suicide of his own hateful purposes gets sued by the Waldorf family for everything he’s got.
As for the Soviet Union: You are actually citing World War -fucking- Two as an example of women being pampered? Fuck you. Fuck you very much.
We all know MRAs love to fly their abusive-boyfriend red flags, but MRAL is the worst of them. He’ll act nice and sweet one week, then turn on ‘ya. Don’t ever get in a relationship with someone like that.
“Oh, my dear little chickadee… the trick to an effective insult (bear with me, I’m trying to help you out here) is to make it something which is talking about things which are either 1: near and dear to the subject… i.e. finding a weakness and exploiting it, or 2: is a something which actually attacks the targets standing.”
Given the bloated and grotesque verbosity in this above little gem, I would say the answer to your question:
“Which of the two of us has shown a more nimble manner with words?”
… is obvious.
Anyway, it’s great that you have mastered the art of lyrical auto-eroticism, but until you can present the reasoning ability to match, colour me decidedly unimpressed.
“Rude words and airs of superiority may cut it with other men who are fragile in ego, but this is the big leagues.”
Lol. No further comment.
>>Photo or it never happened.
“Math is hard” is a direct reference to the sexist Talking Barbie (a well known pop culture reference, it was even featured on the Simpsons) and in the context of a discussion on a feminist board (that would necessarily be aware of that reference) it would be a pretty transparent trolling attempt, an implied dig at how feminists are women are bad at math, with built-in plausible deniability. And predictably you’re now all “oh where did I do that, pray tell?” about it.
I would have went with “NO U!!!”
Talk about bloated and grotesque prose.
Thanks for the dose of reality, @amused. Don’t let these creeps intimidate you. :D
It’s ridiculously weird, yes. I mean, the past *is* important, and you can see how those narratives are still part of the construct that is a ‘Real Man’. Actually, the past is really important. But they’re not actually talking about the past in the way that it’s important. Probably because the overall social picture isn’t good for their narrative, so they’re focusing on theparts they don’t like.
What the little mediocrity did is pretty classic for MRAs in general; they look at the few downsides they receive and whine perpetually about those injustices, while at the same time maintaining their claims to massive privilege. They generally want to be the only ones who can work without being breadwinners; they want to be the only recognized soldiers without being valid for a draft. They want men to win 50% of custody cases without actually raising the kids before then. Ad nauseum.
MRAL on the other hand, has voluntarily entered Milkboy’s parallel universe. I guess he wants to be just like him.
I guess disagreeing with majority is “turnin’ on ya”. I think it’s you who are the abuser, emotionally. Don’t ever get into a relationship with one of those assholes who shames you into sycophantic behavior.
That’s disgusting. Lying about a dead man just so they could blame everything on women? Fuck. That’s really below even their usual level of scumbaggery.
It also means they erased the very real problem–and it’s more often a men’s problem!–of soldiers with PTSD. This is an area where they could actually help instead of blame, and instead they decided to ignore it and blame women instead.
That and the “this wouldn’t be happening if you’d treated me right” bent to it all. He insists on framing his story (as many MRAs do) as “a nice guy pushed to desperate measures,” and that’s a very, very dangerous mindset.
BlackBloc:
“an implied dig at how feminists are women are bad at math”
Sheesh. Not only are you bad at math, it seems basic English is beyond your grasp too. Not that I’m particularly surprised.
Well, what little candy there was in this one has been knocked out. I was hoping for some sense of reflective self-awareness, but even that was missing.
When Brandon is looking the soul of introspection by comparison…
Geese
Your mother is so fat she has mass whether or not the Higgs boson exists!
Breakdown:
Me being “nice”: When David posts an article I find hilarious or reprehensible, and concur with the majority, ie, most of the A Voice for Men stuff, Bardamu, the Spearhead.
Me being “abusive”: When David posts something I don’t find as objectionable, and I say so.
IMO, I am the victim here.
Alas, poor Geese Howard! I knew him, Man Boobz: a fellow of infinite stupidity, of most deplorable insults: he hath bored me with his repartee a dozen times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rims at it. There hung those lips that muttered “sugartits” I know not how oft. Where be your jeers now? Your strawmans? Your flashes of idiocy that were wont to set all eyes on a roll? Not one now, to mock your own sneering? Quite chap-fallen? Now get you to Futrelle’s chamber, and tell him, let him post a page full, to the Spearhead he must come; make him laugh at that.
And that is how you paraphrase Hamlet.
Xardoz:
“I would have went with “NO U!!!””
Hmmm… ya think? Lemme try…
NO U!!!
Dunno about this. Seems a bit valley-girlish, no? What do the rest of you think?
No you are not the victim anywhere. You are being a spoiled brat and again, go away.
When have I ever said “this wouldn’t happen if you treated me right”? That’s more bullshit. I’m not admitting to any wrongdoing at all, only that I often get dogpiled for being completely innocuous.
If you all weren’t assholes, I’d still disagree and act the same way. But it might be a more pleasant place overall without, well, you assholes.
*applauds Lauralot*
Well played Laura. I’ve never been able to master that sort of pastiche.
Butbutbutbutbut … he’s French? Aren’t you impressed?
MRAL, your “poor little me” narrative only holds if one ignores the overwhelming majority of your behavior on here. Which you have clearly opted to do.
Lauralot:
“Alas, poor Geese Howard! I knew him, Man Boobz: a fellow of infinite stupidity, of most deplorable insults: he hath bored me with his repartee a dozen times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rims at it. There hung those lips that muttered “sugartits” I know not how oft. Where be your jeers now? Your strawmans? Your flashes of idiocy that were wont to set all eyes on a roll? Not one now, to mock your own sneering? Quite chap-fallen? Now get you to Futrelle’s chamber, and tell him, let him post a page full, to the Spearhead he must come; make him laugh at that.
And that is how you paraphrase Hamlet.”
By trying too hard, you mean?
I’m only seeing one try-hard here.
Hey mral how many women were IN Vietnam. Apparently ‘colateral damage’ and rape as a weapon of war don’t count coz they weren’t enlisted. Even though women in war zones would be better in the military what with the training and weapons. Oh go google the history of women fighting in wars, I assure you Boudica will not dissapoint.
Do you not remember spending months vacillating between “You bitches are horrible because you FUCK ALPHA FUCKS. FUCK WOMYNZ.”, to “Life is so hard for me I’m a socially awkward male and I’m going to therapy, so things will get better” before going back to “You bitches Her Royal Highnesses are just gashes, fuck you”? Because I promise you, everyone else here does.
My favorite part of it, personally, was how you kept doing the ASLDHGFLHKASDLRAFTCLANS rage typing until Shaenon laughed at you for it, saying she wasn’t scared. Then it never happened again. All revealing that, just like every other instance of ASLDGHALKDHLARAFTCLANS rage typing*, you were in perfect control and merely pretending to have rage issues you couldn’t help.
*that I’ve ever seen anyway. Sorry, you don’t consistently manage a “FUCKYOU” in the middle of your ragegibberish unless you’re doing it on purpose. Kinda like how mine always has RAFTCLANS at the end because it’s not real either.
You are never nice, because you’ve never acknowledged or made any amends for your past (and indeed present) here of attacking women and abuse survivors and pretty much anyone who crosses your path.
When you agree with David, I’m willing to sort of ignore you, but when you get all “disagreeing” (which is to say being a complete woman-hating ass), that’s way too far.
Aw, and nobody ever called you an ALPHA FUCK BITCH or told you that your traumatic life events never happened! Nobody ever threatened violence against members of your gender for tiny slights!
POOR FUCKIN’ VICTIM.
But you think that, MRAL. Keep thinking of yourself as a sweet fella pushed to desperate measures. “She made me do this, you don’t know how much she made me suffer, a man can only take so much…” practice those words because if you keep thinking this way you’re going to be saying them in court.
Also, please leave this website. Just leave. We do not want to be your friends and you do not have a good reason to be here. If you don’t want to just be another NWO, another sad little man ranting about a world he spends almost no time in, FUCKING GO. It’s your only hope.
You should not be involving yourself in gender issues, MRAL. You don’t have the education or the cool head to speak well about them so instead you spout off like an asshole, then use it as an excuse for rage when people don’t love your spoutings. If you’re not a feminist and you don’t want to be a troll, get off Manboobz. It is not a good place for you and you are not a good person for it.
@Amused
You should google “purple heart’s final beat” and then repeat your filthy lies.
Geese,
Yo mama’s so broke, she’s been classified as a quasicrystal.
Lauralot:
“I’m only seeing one try-hard here.”
Yup. Me too.
MRAL: You aren’t being completely innocuous.
Let me make a comparison:
The Titanic. You are using it to support an opinion you have about the present day.
Manboobz for the past six months; people here are using it to form an opinion about the present day.
You have a history. It’s a history of being unpleasant, abusive,and (self-admitted) engaging in foul behavior just to get a response.
You are not stupid. You know that people here don’t agree with your theory about “male disposability” (though I have to say I like it a little better than the “greek system” it’s replaced). So making comments which rely on us treating that theory as true, aren’t innocuous, and they aren’t even innocent.
If you want to talk about it, you are going to face resistance. You are going to be asked to support your arguments, and; barring some really strong evidence, you are not going to convince anyone of the conclusions you reach.
Not because the baseline theory is utter crap, but because it can’t support the positions you are asking it to carry. Whining that people disputing you is unfair, is a fast track to scorn; which is a direct result of that, recent, history I alluded to in the beginning.
Bostonian:
Got any salmon?
I think it’s you who are the abuser, emotionally.
In what ways do you believe the people here are abusing you?
Are you emotionally hurt by your interactions here? :\
I say again, I’m focusing on American culture because that’s what I know, not because I think the Vietnamese “don’t matter”. I have issues with the male disposability narrative that is rampant in American culture. The pedestalization of women adds to it, but really, the main thing is male disposability, the perception that men are worthless expendable pawns in society.
Notice how this thread has become the MRAL thread all over again xD
MRAL, the reason you see yourself as the victim here is because you see yourself as the victim in any circumstance ever.
@Ami: I can go back to my cat, if you like.
I MAKE HIM PROVIDE ALL THE FOOD FOR THE HOUSEHOLD, BECAUSE HE IS MALE
I think I’ll let MRAL respond to Pecunium, first… xD
AMi: That’s because AntZ is a delusional liar, and the piñata has run out of candy.
Yes, I think talking about your cat is way better than giving MRAL another “THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME” party xD
Of course I’m emotionally hurt by my interactions here (waiting for people to twist that into me “manipulating” the commentariat). I disagree with the majority, and everyone makes it a point to sit around calling me the worst names they can possibly think of. Then after being called a shitstain, a twisted vile woman hater, and a disposable whiny piece of shit, I get even a LITTLE bit angry and people start psychoanalyzing my so-called “abusive” personality.
MRAL SAID,”So Xtra, you think that men and women should be boarded without regard to gender? Great. If that was the case on the Titanic, about 40% of men and 40% of women would have survived. That means about 450 men and 150 women would have perished. That’s not how it was.”
Actually if it went my way possibly there would still be a higher percentage of women would have boarded because of children and their caretakers first or families first so father/mother/child would have gotten on first and most likely a majority of the children on board had a mother with them.I would not separate families with a child.
But I seriously wonder if MRAL would be all for the equal percentage if there were less men on the ship.
someone already said this but I also think if the actual percentage of men was lower they would then use actual number.
If I had to choose between preferential treatment in everyday life or in an not very likely to happen scenario like a ship sinking or having to go to war, I would choose the everyday and take my chances.
@Rutee there’s also the post where he told people who shared their experiences with harassment, assault and rape that people were lying and/or exaggerating and that most of the stories were “bullshit”
Of course he’s the victim here xD
My cat is lounging on the back of the sofa, soaking up the last available bits of sunlight before she wakes to demand her dinner. Spoiled alpha bitch princess grumble grumble….
MRAL, why are you still here?
You disagree with the majority, and you don’t enjoy it. (Or at least don’t admit enjoying it.)
What do you think is going to happen? Do you think you’re going to turn Manboobz into an MRA-majority site? Do you think we’re going to start liking you?
There is no good way this can end. So end it now. This is an unpleasant place for you, so leave it! Goodbye!
I’m unsure what the MRAs want w/ the Titanic thing… access to the Feminist time travel machine? xD
I MAKE MY CAT USE A LITTER BOX TO OPPRESS HIS MANLY URGE TO SPRAY ALL OVER EVERYTHING
Geese
Yo mama so slow her De Broglie wavelength is observable on macroscopic scales!
OK MRAL, I’ll apologize a little since everyone else has pointed out why you probably need to stop posting here.
AnTz , NWO and Meller (Geeze is trying hard to be included) are way grosser than you, their abuser red flags have cum crust and pubes all over them, at least yours is relatively clean.
I tried making it about fun, but nobody else here plays my MMOs :(
The options are Antsy and MRAL, really. The other troll is boring. Then again, I frankly consider Puppet Man, Milkboy, and Antsy to more or less be the same parallel universe idiot too, with slight variations on claims. The only reason MRAL is marginally more interesting is that he’s not so far entrenched yet that messages still get back to him. Soon he’ll be Diaperboy or something (You know, because they’re usually disposable…. Hey, I’m funny dammit :t) and be equally boring, with the added displeasure that he hurt most of you a bit more because you actually held out hope for him.
@Amused
“As for the Soviet Union: You are actually citing World War -fucking- Two as an example of women being pampered? Fuck you. Fuck you very much.”
Right back at you, bigot. YOU brought up WWII. I just held up your dirty, vile lies for all to see. Here you are, crowing your feminist victory song on the bodies of 20 million dead Soviet MEN:
“But of course, when the shit really hits the fan, none of this matters, and women will be drafted regardless of what the law says. My family was from the Soviet Union. Of my four grandparents, three were drafted in World War II. The only one who wasn’t drafted was a grandfather. And the reason he escaped the draft was because he was a cop. And incidentally, it was virtually impossible for a woman to become a cop in those days. So that’s just one example of how men are favored.”
Maybe MRAL thinks we’re the closest things he has to friends o_O
Oh, you want me to google to the fabrication, where your friends stole a dead soldier’s identity for your own filthy purposes? Right, let me run and do that. Fucking Mralliwood.
Bostonian:
Sorry, all my harem slots are presently full. Send me your contact details and I’ll alert you to any future vacancies which you’re more than welcome to apply for.
Right back at you, bigot.
Why do you keep calling ppl bigots? o_O
Sorry, all my harem slots are presently full. Send me your contact details and I’ll alert you to any future vacancies which you’re more than welcome to apply for.
If it was a good harem it should never be full though o:
I CLIP MY CAT’S NAILS NOT TO KEEP HIM FROM SCRATCHING THE FURNITURE, BUT TO MAKE HIM FEEL EVEN MORE EMASCULATED
What does the application form look like? :D
And that is absolute true. Both of my grandmothers, but only one grandfather was drafted.
Lauralot, we need to make one of those internet meme pictures xD FEMINAZI CAT OWNER