MRAs and Children First: The Spearhead on the Costa Concordia disaster
From The Spearhead, where feminists dying is HILARIOUS.
Most of the coverage of the Costa Concordia disaster at the moment seems to be focusing on the Italian cruise ship’s captain and his douchey behavior, which involved not only running the ship aground but also abandoning ship prestissimo while passengers remained trapped on board.
MRAs, by contrast, are using the tragedy as an excuse to rail against the notion of “women and children first” and, of course, to make jokes about women drowning.
Now, the Titanic aside, “women and children first” isn’t now, and hasn’t ever really been, the standard way to evacuate those on a sinking ship, though many in the public — including some of those who were on board the Costa Concordia – seem to believe that it is. (See here for more details on how evacuations are typically handled these days; generally only those with mobility problems are given special treatment.)
In the case of this particular evacuation, some on board apparently tried to enforce an informal “women and children” policy, but many men weren’t willing to wait.
What’s got some MRAs in a snit is that some people, in the media and online, are calling these dudes cowards. In The Daily Mail, a right-wing British tabloid, A N Wilson wrote:
[I]n our day, with the advent of feminism and the professional woman, chivalry and manners are considered stuffy and old-fashioned.
As the father of three daughters, I do not, with a single fibre of my being, wish to go back to a time when women could not have the vote or get a university degree. Nor do I, surrounded by extremely strong-charactered and intelligent women in my family and among my friends, feel tempted to regard women as the frail sex.
But the fact remains that there is a longing among most men to protect women and children, and chivalry is simply a manifestation of that longing.
And whatever transpires about the reason for the Costa Concordia disaster, the disappearance of a chivalric code is a sorry reflection on society today.
This is not what you’d call a feminist argument; it’s a traditionalist argument, published in a tabloid rag that’s generally quite hostile to feminism.
Nonetheless, some MRAs are using the Costa Concordia disaster as an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to the … imaginary feminists who live in their head.
Over on The Spearhead, where one familiar commenter actually described Wilson’s Daily Mail article as “feminist,” guest poster Lyn87 wrote:
The MRM is getting more vocal, and a lot of guys are now saying, “You wanted equality. This is what it looks like.” And they are saying it aloud and in public. Even a few women chimed in, saying that men have no obligation to die for women if women want equality. (Somehow I suspect there wasn’t much, “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me drown” on the Costa Concordia itself, but hey, it’s a start.)
MRAs: Always up-to-the-minute with their pop culture references!
This post was helpfully illustrated with a stock photo of a woman drowning.
Commenters got in their digs as well.
Keyster riffed on Lyn87’s incredibly au courant Helen Reddy reference:
I am woman hear me…blurp….rah…gurgle…raha…ffftt…orr…roar…gurgle…help me…somebody…fffft…please…blurp…help…help me please!
Aharon told both ladies and fish what’s what:
I eat fish. Fish don’t eat me. My life is too precious to sacrifice it so some spoiled bitch can have a pussy pass into the life boats.
Anti Idiocy got all hypothetical-cruise-ship tough guy on us:
Anyone who attempts to keep me on a sinking ship because of the genitals with which I was born is attempting to murder me. I have the right to respond accordingly.
And Thomas Tell-truth kicked chivalry – not to mention basic human decency — to the ocean floor:
Equality means that when the ship is going down and you are a woman, you had better get out of my way or you are going to drown with my footprints on your back.
Apparently Thomas Tell-truth is actually George Costanza:
Jeb, meanwhile, offered a more scientific rationalization for being a complete douchenozzle:
As far as I’ve heard, the one and only sport in which women naturally out-do men is endurance swimming. Women are also more bouyant, and as survivalists will explain, women float easiest on their backs (making it easy to breathe while expending minimal energy) whereas men float easiest in “the dead man’s float” (ie. face down, head in the water) and must expend more energy to stay alive. Furthermore, women have more body-fat than men which insulates them better against aquatic dangers such as hypothermia.
Given all these factors it is quite rational for men to pick women up by the seat of their pants and toss them overboard to make way for men and children to safely be rowed ashore on the lifeboats.
It’s all about doing the right thing and saving lives, after all.
MRA humor is very sophisticated indeed.
EDITED TO ADD: The Spearhead has put up a followup post, once again taking aim at imaginary “lifeboat feminists,” though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of “women and children” is Rich Lowry from the National Review (not a feminist publication).
Posted on January 18, 2012, in antifeminism, douchebaggery, evil women, gloating, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, that's not funny!, the fucking titanic, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 1,082 Comments.
Dude who wants to split us by a river and bone vr peeps – “The MRM:
Equal protection under the law.”
Thought I’d point this out –
Well, none of us are talking about law here at all. Women and Children first is a matter of CUSTOM.
Jacques Futrelle’s indoctrination as to his own inherent worthlessness is what killed him, if he had the option to board a boat.
I move that any movement that says “most recently, Vietnam” doesn’t have an actual case.
Unless it’s a movement *specifically about* Vietnam and/or Vietnam vets. Then it’s OK.
You’re sort of right, the real issue here is that you want to compare the *actual* odds of survival rather than the *measured* odds. With only one woman, you only have one sample for that category, so your measurement is always going to be 0% or 100%. Ergo the error bars are way too large, there is no statistical significance, and it’s impossible to demonstrate bias, whether it existed or not.
It’s true.
Not a good custom, I would say, but not a law. Much like “the privelege of getting food paid for” as the demand of vile feminists, when supposedly they want EQUALITY! Blends into the problems they have with divorce law. It’s all one ball of stuff they don’t like, but dammit, they’re rational and fair and they’re gonna make it all about Equality Under The Law.
They seem totally unsure of where the law ends and begins, but are DAMN sure it’s those inherently guvmint lovin women using it all the time against them.
The supposedly all about equality under the law mrm seems to get really wiggly when it’s not really about the law. Like, at all.
The guys at spearhead should have set a better example than to defend irrational and cowardly behavior just because they are men.
You can’t expect women to behave better if you copy the very same bad behavior that you complain about.
This is hypocrisy at it’s finest
For fuck’s sake, really? This is almost completely dead outside of dictatorships. I don’t mean “Because there’s no war now”, I mean “Because there’s never going to be a defensive war fought on the soil of a richer country until WMDs are taken out of the equation”. And we’re not willing to draft for our imperialistic wars anymore; USians won’t even pay for them.
Because most initiatives focus on men’s health *ANYWAY*, they just don’t have to announce it.
Those dangerous jobs pay better than the shitty ones that women frequently aren’t permitted into, you dimwit. I know you think Farrell is smart, but women preside over the lowest status and lowest pay jobs, men get the comparatively better paying dangerous ones, amongst the lowest income groups. Because Farrell isn’t smart, he just said stupid shit that appealed to you.
The Titanic is also an example of male recklessness, that’s encouraged by the patriarchy. The Titanic accident occurred entirely through human error, and I don’t think anyone is going to argue that traditional culture encourages men to take risks for the sake of taking risks, caution be damned. So when this kind of machismo causes a major disaster, trying to make women feel guilty for not dying in great enough numbers from it is a bit rich, you know.
But of course, when the shit really hits the fan, none of this matters, and women will be drafted regardless of what the law says. My family was from the Soviet Union. Of my four grandparents, three were drafted in World War II. The only one who wasn’t drafted was a grandfather. And the reason he escaped the draft was because he was a cop. And incidentally, it was virtually impossible for a woman to become a cop in those days. So that’s just one example of how men are favored.
You have any evidence that those initiatives are causally linked to women living longer? I would grant that the patriarchy shames men for pursuing healthy lifestyles, but that’s hardly something that women should be blamed for.
There is plenty of noise about women being discriminated against at such jobs.
Geese Howard said, “Because it would indicate that women likely did not receive preferential treatment vis-a-vis men. Unlike the existing figures, which show the exact opposite.”
Men received preferential treatment in society at that time by being able to travel in greater numbers. I see you’re not too upset about that.If that ship had not sank that preferential treatment could have went by without a blink.
@BlackBloc, I understand what is being said about odds but the only way to really have had the “justice” MRAL is talking about would have been for every single woman to die.
I will say this, if I were making the rules, it would be the weaker(man or woman) first, children and their caretakers, then the able bodied, not necessarily a equal man/woman/child ratio.
Rutee Katreya said”Actually, the existing figures in this thread don’t show that at all. Because the existing figures in this thread aren’t actually compilations over long periods, but exist for only a single disaster”
so this, I tire of the whole idea of some of these guys that women should be happy house servant/sex toys for men because some men in the rare tragedy saved a woman. This is so like a mafia protection racket. Women better act right or something might happen…
Manosphere insurance? Makes me think of Chris Rock, “They should call it in case shit happens…The only reason I give an insurance company money is in case shit happens. When shit doesn’t happen, shouldn’t I get my money back?”
Katz – That, so that.
Rutee Katreya
Because the existing figures in this thread aren’t actually compilations over long periods, but exist for only a single disaster, which doesn’t really say anything about how disasters usually go. You’re going to need a lot more data sets than one disaster.
If you took the time to read the thread, you would see that my comment was in response to Xtra’s ridiculous claim that women did not receive preferential treatment during the evacuation of the *Titanic* due to roughly equal numbers of both sexes surviving, despite men making up a much larger percentage of the crew.
It had nothing to do with the overarching historical trend with regards to the matter. But, given the pervasive traditionalist cultural meme of “Women and children first,” it would be extraordinarily unlikely if the historical data didn’t support the above.
Got any figures that suggest otherwise?
Science is hard, isn’t it?
Sure is, Sparky. But it ain’t got nothing on basic reading comprehension.
@ Xtra:
“Men received preferential treatment in society at that time by being able to travel in greater numbers.”
Irrelevant. Nice attempt to move the goalposts, dipshit.
P.s. I was coast guard, and I would like to blow the whistle and say I was actually taught not to save men. 4srs.
So Xtra, how exactly do you propose to determine “the weaker”, outside of the children?
Amused:
“The Titanic is also an example of male recklessness, that’s encouraged by the patriarchy.”
Hellz yeah. Although you forgot to point out that men are walking rape-machines just waiting to impregnate any careless female passer-by with their red-hot semen of death.
No donuts for you, sugartits.
“- Conscription (Most recently, Vietnam. I understand there is no draft now, but men are still the only ones who have to register for the possibility. It sends a message).
– Seemingly endless, endless, fucking endless women’s health initiatives (many run by the government) despite the fact that women live longer.”
Right, so MRAL, I’ve mentioned before that FiletofSwedishBoyfriend is a Marine. What he does is recruit, which is all they do now inspite of registering for selective service. They have quotas for who they will recruit with regards to a number of minority statuses. And they still only have about 4 spaces for female recruits each year, and they all have to meet higher standards than the guys they recruit with regards t oASVAB test scores. They have to turn away a decent number of female applicants (not many women want to be Marines, mostly due to the extremely macho culture and hoo boy is it macho let me tell you). So, no, it isn’t women making men compose more of the military, I promise. It’s outdated mindsets about women’s capabilities. None of the recruiters in his office, or that i’ve met, get excited about putting in female recruits, not like they do about the boys.
On to your second point: most of those initiatives are around breast, reproductive, and sexual health. Having babies is hard, and generally not good for you. Also, our bodies tend to be more susceptible to most STIs. then again, you can also use Planned Parenthood as a guy, and I’ve known male sufferers of breast cancer who used the same breast health clinics as women.
So Amused, because of one captain incompetence (not recklessness, incompetence), all the worthless useless disposable men on the Titanic are to blame?
As for the draft, I say again- it’s the principle of the thing. You say that “when the shit hits the fan” things’ll be different, but on the whole, history doesn’t support that. How many women were sent to Vietnam?
Then you’re an even bigger fucking moron than I’d expect, because you can’t extrapolate anything about the current state of affairs from a single disaster a century ago. You can’t talk about what is ‘just’. You don’t know what’s happening at all.
In other words, you’re taking your stance on faith based on a single disaster’s numbers, rather than looking at actual data. If you’ve got time to sit here and argue, you’ve got time to actually find data that supports your position. I’m not doing your homework for you.
Way to misreprsent what I was saying, jackass. Oh, and what a pity about withholding the donuts! I think I’ll just go and starve to death without your magnanimous support.
I bet a woman made those donuts . . .
I will blame women for this shit, as I blame men. I’m sick of . Women make up half of society, and they have immense social power. Women shaming men for not being “manly” enough, or whatever else, that shit happens all the time. I have no problem blaming women, in part, for male disposability.
Another point:
– “Never hit a women” meme, and the perception that it’s some grevious trangression. I was watching the Lost finale, and Sayid sat around while a dude got beaten up, and then when the bully slapped this woman once, he flipped out. He’s nothing but a mangina.
@Amused
NO!!! Cry, cry like your life depends on it dammit!!!
@ Geese of course preferential treatment of men outside of emergencies is irrelevant to you but it’s pretty simple, more men on ship automatically = more male casualities. This is especially true if all the women died more men still would have died. 100% of the women on that ship was not even equal to half of the men that died.
@mral the weaker would be elderly and handicapped in some way, not those that are weaker in strength when perfectly healthy outside of children. I think those grown and healthy should put children, elderly and infirm first regardless of gender.
Although I still believe captain and crew should be last as is custom.
And I’m not saying that men shouldn’t be in the Army in greater numbers, if they so choose (and they will, because the Army is very macho). I’m saying that men should not be forced, especially when women are not (or have the threat hanging over their heads, as it does now- again, it’s the message of male disposability, worthless useless worthless useless expendable men).
And they accuse women of being the only ones who are solipsistic.
Jeeperz…
“… current state of affairs…”
Current state of affairs? Did I ever say anything about the current state of affairs in any of my posts on this thread, you mindless bimbo? Seems you’re even more comprehension-challenged than I originally thought. Nice one.
“In other words, you’re taking your stance on faith based on a single disaster’s numbers, rather than looking at actual data. If you’ve got time to sit here and argue, you’ve got time to actually find data that supports your position. I’m not doing your homework for you.”
The whole part about the “women and children first” meme just sailed over your pointy little head, didn’t it? Given that I’m not the one making the claim that flies in the face of all traditional wisdom, it’s not my job to go out of my way to prove the obvious.
You’re the one making the extraordinary claim here — YOU provide the evidence.
*grabs popcorn and kicks back*
So Xtra, you think that men and women should be boarded without regard to gender? Great. If that was the case on the Titanic, about 40% of men and 40% of women would have survived. That means about 450 men and 150 women would have perished. That’s not how it was.
Hey, I’m not the one trying to blame a gender here for not dying in great enough numbers — you are. The captain of the Titanic was goaded into trying to make record time, and that’s a classic example of machismo. I am not saying that men have a congenital tendency to do this, but the patriarchal culture certainly lionizes and encourages precisely that sort of behavior. He put his pride ahead of passenger safety — and it’s insane to demand some sort of gratitude for women for not dying in great enough numbers as a result of him doing that. It’s the same as if I shot you in the face and then demanded that you thank me for taking you to the hospital.
Spoken like a person who is in no danger of actually being drafted and dying in war.
How many women died in Vietnam? Oh, what, since they are not American or white, they don’t count?
(Also, Vietnam now outweighs WW2? Seriously? “History on the whole”, my foot.)
Xtra:
“more men on ship automatically = more male casualities.”
Silly little girl, don’t you realize that this would still hold true even if the mortality percentages of each sex were equal? Wtf is your point supposed to be?
Serious question for you: are you capable of counting to ten without the use of your fingers?
“Women make up half of society, and they have immense social power. ”
Women are mean and nasty and cruel and they won’t suck my dick even when I talk to them nicely for ten whole minutes and I have low self esteem and it’s totally unfair to bring up what I said earlier because I was high and posting in anger and everyone’s unfair to me and I’m leaving this blog I really mean it this time because you’re all piling on and you’re a bunch of poopyheads.
There, MRAL, I just did your next thirty posts for you.
Just stick the flounce this time, OK?
Geese Howard: If I blow you and call you Master, will you give me a donut? Pleeeease??
I am ready to give up my career, the right to vote, and every other right bestowed on a full-fledged citizen as long as Geese Howard gives me a donut and promises to give me a 50% greater chance of survival in the EXTREMELY LIKELY even we’ll find ourselves in a disaster that will take at least 2 hours to unfold.
event, that is
Amused:
“Geese Howard: If I blow you and call you Master, will you give me a donut? Pleeeease??”
Dunno. Send me a full-frontal nude photo and I will consider it. Bear in mind that applications to my harem are somewhat numerous these days, so I ain’t promising anything…
My email: la-chatte@ta-mere.com
Man, talking about ships sinking really pulls the trolls out from under the bridges, doesn’t it?
I don’t know Vietnamese culture, and unlike you I don’t pretend to know. I’m discussing American culture here, because I live in America. And in America, women are not insidiously told they are expendable and worthless by registering for the possibility to be forced to get shot, after which no one will care. They have ten billion support programs for everything you can imagine. If injured in any way, everyone flips out. Hitting a woman is considered far worse than a man hitting a man, and a woman hitting a man is just HILARIOUS. I get the message. No wonder men commit suicide so much more often.
Geese Howard is unsurprisingly hammering on the math fails of one feminist on this thread while ignoring the whoppers his own side produced on this very thread, all the while making not so subtle references to supposed lack of mathematical abilities on the part of women.
Selection bias will later make sure that this idiot will continue parrotting evidence-free evo psych bullshit without self-examination, because he will delude himself into thinking MRAs are on the side of science and good math while feminists can’t do math at all.
BlackBloc:
“Geese Howard is unsurprisingly hammering on the math fails of one feminist on this thread while ignoring the whoppers his own side produced on this very thread, all the while making not so subtle references to supposed lack of mathematical abilities on the part of women.”
Photo or it never happened.
Geese: I’m the go to person for mental math in my gaming group – since we’re not doing HERO, otherwise we’d all be breaking out the graphing calculators. My questions: Can you read without moving your lips?
You’re USian. They’re not. Get a clue. Bush couldn’t even pass taxes to kill terrerists, nobody is going to get a draft for them.
You are worthless and useless, MRAL, but it’s because you’re a little shit.
You’re kinda in a tough place, mediocrity. See, if you don’t mean now, your opinion is worthless; you’re just looking at the parts that you think reinforce your “women receive preferential treatment” narrative and not even noticing that they’re not still current. You just want to complain about women. But if you do mean now (Actually, even if you don’t, because the final point of this post will still hold true), you have to actually do some research, which I have a sneaking suspicion you don’t know how to do, and you were kinda hoping we’d be cowed by your awesome grasp of ‘common wisdom’ *Suppresses giggle*
Two heads are better than one.
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Opposites attract.
These little phrases are all meaningless and equally ‘common sense’. You, little mediocrity, made an empirical fact claim; that women receive preferential treatment, and implied that they continue to do so. You don’t have data to support your claim. You only have your presuppositions.
Other common wisdom
Actually, I very carefully avoided making a claim on the matter, mediocrity. If you’ll notice, I only pointed out that you don’t have the data to support the conclusions you’re making. There’s no reason to actually believe you’re accurate. By the way, ‘receive’ is present tense, so don’t think you can establish your point by restricting yourself to the turn of last century.
Hahaha, Geese’s name links to “pimpslappyville.com”.
Oop, I meant to go into those old just so stories like “Lightning is Zeus’ anger” at “other common wisdom”. Though I suppose I should have said “traditional wisdom”.
To me, the Titanic is an example of the recklessness of unrestrained capitalism (the White Star Line could have equipped the ship with more life rafts and used better materials for the hull rivets that gave way in the collision) combined with class privilige. I think the best measure of who was privileged is: whose children died? Overwhelmingly, it was the children of third class passengers.
Oh, Geese, some French profanity AND a reference to my mother — oh be still, my beating heart. On second thought, I’d think I’d rather die than be your fucking helpmeet, so why don’t you stuff that donut where the sun don’t shine. Because I’m sure your imaginary and inflated concubines can’t consume it. Or is the “donut” thing an obscure reference to your genitals? In which case, make sure you don’t hurt yourself.
Having done so, though, иди ты в жопу, урод, и сиди там.
Rutee Katreya:
I’m sorry, were you trying to say something? I can’t make it out under the rivers of Down’s syndrome that one of your feminist cohorts just sneezed all over my monitor.
I’d like to point out that the comparisons of this disaster to the Titanic are totally foolish. The main cause of death in the Titanic disaster was not present in the current one – freezing water temperatures and choppy nothern seas.
With as much discussion as has been given to the life-boat situation, I think that a main point has been totally overlooked, and that is that the lack of life boats isn’t solely the killer in the Titanic situation. If there had been just as few life boats in the recent disaster the result would still be different, and not due to chivalry or any such thing. The real killer of the Titanic was the freezing temperatures.
Of course the recent grounding did not have similar difficulties, while the sinking did happen at night, it was in warm waters that were as still as can be reasonably expected from such a large body of water. nether waves nor temperatures were in play to kill people simply entering the water, or from having to spend extended periods of time in it.
I’d also like to point out that swimming was a man-only sport for a very long time. It was rare for women to learn to swim at all, let alone effectively. Therefore some of the men who ended up in the water in the Titanic disaster were likely men who thought they’d be ok because they knew how to swim and were staying close to the boats. If the Titanic had gone down in Greece they would likely have been correct and the death tole would not have been nearly as high.
I’m just confused as to why anyone thinks that any of this proves anything about sexism in the present day. One hundred years is a very long time and passenger safety has come a long way. Deciding you’re expendable due to something that happened on the Titanic is as sensible as deciding what you should be wearing based on the “sensible dress” movement’s requirements for the weight of undergarments*.
*they should weigh less than 10 pounds when dry apparently.
Who is this Geese asshole, and will he ooze back to where he came from? What a dickhead.
MRAL, this place isn’t good for you, leave already.
Zarat, what kind of TRUTH are you going to teach us? Does your wife know that while she’s supporting you, you’re wanking over replacing her with VR?
“- Conscription (Most recently, Vietnam. I understand there is no draft now, but men are still the only ones who have to register for the possibility. It sends a message).”
Then work to make it change. To make women being drafted, or nobody being drafted. Either way, it’s not feminists that will fight you. Pacifists maybe.
“- Seemingly endless, endless, fucking endless women’s health initiatives (many run by the government) despite the fact that women live longer.”
Some health problem are sex related, and need to be addressed this way. Women’s health initiatives do no hurt you, though it seems you care more about diminishing help for men than increasing help for men.
“- The lack of noise re. the “Glass Cellar”, or the men who make up all the shittiest, most dangerous jobs.”
“all” is a big exaggeration and erase the condition of work of a huge number of women. But do make noise, fight, join fights to change mentality (masculine pride in dangerous and physical jobs) and safety regulation in dangerous workplaces. (hint: a more diverse -on a gender pov – is likely to decrease the general mindset that the job is a virile one and that safety does not matter. Or as you would probably put it: more entitled bitch in this jobs would make the government care about it)
Amused:
“On second thought, I’d think I’d rather die than be your fucking helpmeet”
That’s okay, I fully respect your decision as a woman and a human. You are every bit my equal and contribute just as much to this conversation as I do.
“Or is the “donut” thing an obscure reference to your genitals?”
Only when my girlfriend is getting intimate with my enormous shlong. Why d’you ask?
Hey, Goose, is your imaginary girlfriend’s name Ashley, by any chance?
MRAL: Xtra, we are talking in PERCENTS, not numbers.
Aren’t you the one with the classes in math? Because thats a really skewed way to use percentages.
If there were, say, 50 men and 10 women clustered around a boat, and the 10 women were allowed to go first, that is preferential treatment, and that’s basically what happened.
Are you arguing that the only “fair” way to allocate seats is to take a ratio which matches the overall ratio of passengers by gender? What about age? How about race? Where is this, “equality” going to end, and how is going to be enforced.
Will the quartermaster be required to count heads to keep the ratios correct?
Also… the first boats (the one’s with the greatest percentage of the 1st class passengers) weren’t full. Why they weren’t is an interesting question, but the motives which led to that also played into the problem.
Male disposability isn’t the category of problem you are trying to make it. Male disposability has a lot of factors (not least that men choose to take lots of risks), and you saying, “my conclusions support my justifications” is question begging. Unless (and until) a study is done which says the guys who were pushing and shoving were doing it because they thought society saw them as disposable; for being male, your conjecture is just that. You have no evidence, and no proof.
You are smarter than that, so you aren’t getting any slack.
Dude, really? You’re going to tell me what my great-Grandfather was thinking?
Jacques didn’t think he was worthless. He had a pretty decent size ego. He was also a bit on the reckless side — he was an early adopter of those newfangled automobiles and rode in cross-country races, when there were no real roads as we know them in the country, and which on occasion meant him driving into ditches.
He refused to get on the lifeboat though his wife pleaded with him to.
He was reportedly last seen standing on the deck smoking a cigar with John Jacob Astor. LIKE A BOSS. I guarantee you he wasn’t thinking, I’m worthless, better let those superior ladies live rather than me.
@Kyrie
You don’t seem to understand. No matter what men do to try and solve the issues that men face, you will always find Ze Feminists magically blocked them with their magic feministy feminism. The world is run by manginas and feminists, which is why straight, white men (and apparently some gay ones) can only vent on the internet!
AntZ: MRAs want men to be free … men cannot be free if women are enslaved.
No, men can only be free when women are all moved to the other side of the planet and VR sex games replace them.
Who has the fucking stoopid here?
Leave, little mediocrity. We’ve already noticed that your intellectual reach exceeds your mind’s grasp.
…At which point you’d probably start whinging about how 450 men and 150 women dying means that 300 more women than men managed to not-die, ergo male disposability. Also, what about those 20 percent that wouldn’t have made it at all? Was it okay to let them drown, because oh well, they were fucked anyway? Or is it more important to realize that “not having enough lifeboats” is a serious problem that should not be allowed to happen again if we value any human’s life?
Personally, I like to think that what we learned from the Titanic was that having enough lifeboats for 100 percent of the people on the ship and making sure said people know how to board them in an orderly fashion should be a Huge Priority. I also like to think the Costa Concordia was a horrible mistake made by a captain who turned out to be a fool and a coward at the worst possible moment, and that it was this foolishness and cowardice that cost lives. (Would anyone have died if he had immediately ordered the crew to turn out the lifeboats and the passengers to start boarding them, instead of being all “oh shit I must waste an hour covering up my foolish error”? It’s probably too early to know.)
Rutree Katreya:
“Leave, little mediocrity.”
Only if you thay “pleathe”.
“We’ve already noticed that your intellectual reach exceeds your mind’s grasp.”
Egads. Methinks the lady doth project a little too much…
Apparently, that would be me.
hellkell:
“Hey, Goose, is your imaginary girlfriend’s name Ashley, by any chance?”
No, but she’s sure prettier than YOUR sister.
Surely you jest
Now that he has an entirely unsupported theory of male disposability, can a Book of MRAL be far behind?
Little Mediocrity, I don’t have a sister. Got any better insults? Or is that the best your pointy head can come up with?
We have some first class trolls here, so you’ll have to see if you can bring your A game. Doesn’t look like it so far.
Oh little mediocrity, do you think this will make everyone forget you haven’t actually substantiated your claims? That you had a perfectly good opportunity to make your case and instead did… nothing?
How disappointing. And boring. I’ll return to grinding. Just a matter of which game I’ll do it in.
Translation: I don’t care about Vietnamese women who died, because they are not white Americans, and therefore don’t count as real women. Which perfectly illustrates the point that to the extent that women are privileged (for seats, opening doors and other minor courtesies), it’s only on condition that they fit a very strict standard of acceptable womanhood: white, middle-class, well-behaved, not “slutty”, not single mothers.
But Vietnam didn’t happen in America — did it? Way to bring a foreign war into the discussion and then claim that what happened to the population that was actually invaded is irrelevant to the discussion of that war. Seriously — how bigoted are you?
Really? Kind of like the way women are told that they are expendable and worthless when they are encouraged to flush decades of hard work down the drain in order to have babies, cook, clean, wipe asses, and keep the rugrats from bothering their father? Like that? Except that this happens every day, constantly, whereas your chances of being forced to get shot are pretty much nil.
Really? Everything you can imagine? Where is my paid maternity leave? The US is the only industrialized country that does not mandate it. Where are programs to help single parents, and simply parents, get adequate care for their kids while they earn a living? Why are insurance companies required to cover Viagra, but not birth control?
Unless they are Vietnamese, of course, in which case everyone doesn’t.
No you don’t. The message is irony. A woman hitting a man is incongruous. A man hitting a woman is just the way things are.
While male suicide rates are a legitimate issue, women aren’t to blame for it. And besides, for a woman and a mother to commit suicide is viewed as no different than simply walking out on her children — and that’s considered a lot more reprehensible than when a man does it. A sense of actual responsibility towards those who cannot take care of themselves — sometimes that’s all it takes to not off yourself in times of crisis. Food for thought.
“No donuts for you, sugartits.”
*giggles* Zer tits are made of sugar?
hellkell:
“Little Mediocrity, I don’t have a sister. Got any better insults? Or is that the best your pointy head can come up with?”
Wait, is hellkell trying to cut me down for my poor choice of insults while cribbing from both me and Rutee Katreya (the “pointy head” and “little mediocrity” remarks, respectively) because she doesn’t have a single original thought in her own head?
Or am I reading too deep into this whole shebang?
Help me out here, readers.
I wonder how long until NWO shows up o:
*sits and waits* :D
Geese: Current state of affairs? Did I ever say anything about the current state of affairs in any of my posts on this thread
Yep… when you (in the very comment you pretend to not be talking about the present state of affairs), say things like, The whole part about the “women and children first” meme just sailed over your pointy little head, didn’t it?
I understand that reading comprehension is something you think difficult, but you might consider at least some attempt at writing comprehension.
Now… are you capable of actually making an argument, or is your repetoire limited to sad attempts at biting wit, like, “sugartits,”, No donuts for you”, and, “Sits back with the popcorn?”
I know where the smart money is going in Vegas on that line.
Is MRAL really going to stick to the draft, despite the fact that it is a complete impossibility barring SCIENCE FICTION that removes nukes? Well, nobody said he was intelligent. Despite his high IQ.