Some of those video game princesses ain’t so Peachy
Why can't they all be like Princess Peach?
It’s almost impossible to catalogue all the ways men are oppressed by women in contemporary gynocratic society. There are so many! For example, did you know that men are oppressed by female characters in video games? I know, right? The last bastion of red-blooded manliness, invaded by imaginary ladies!
Luckily, the fellows at MGTOWforums.com are on the case, exposing this foul virtual misandry. I Am started off a recent discussion on the subject by asking
WTF is with empowered women in video games now? …
I see a new trend in the video/computer game world and that is the increase in strong playable female characters.
Now, I am no hardcore gamer but I do play computer games often and the recent one I have been playing recently is Shogun 2 total war. Now for those who don’t know what this game is, it is a strategy game based on the military of feudal Japan. I recently bought an upgrade for the game the other day and guess what one of the strongest military units was? Nuns. I shit you not. The nuns had an attack 20% -40% higher than most units in the game. Somehow I doubt that in real life a nun would have swung a sword or used a spear faster and harder than a feudal warlord, and this game was based on history.
Clearly nuns are incapable of manlike swordplay, though it is true that they are capable reenacting famous internet panda sneeze videos. (I have seen video proof of this.) But Shogun 2 does not depict them sneezing like pandas. It depicts them fighting.
This is an outrage because video games are meant to be a perfectly accurate reflection of reality. Obviously there is nothing even slightly unrealistic about any of this:
Most of us dudes are in fact capable of karate-chopping heads in two. We just don’t like to show off all the time.
I think I have the right to ask steam and other gaming companes: WTF with the subliminal brainwashing? What now when I buy or play a game women will be doing all the ass kicking? …
I call bullshit on this subject. Video games are the last place for guys to hang out and now women are taking over. Why not just save us the trouble and instead of eliminating our fantasy world just throw us in work camp to provide for thier bastard children (literally speaking) while they shit all over us…wait they already do that.
I Am is not the only dude who’s noticed this alarming femtrend. Goldenfetus added his observations:
I’ve noticed this too, and it drives me insane. Was co-oping Gears 3 last month and there’s a point where 2nd player has to take over a female character. Almost ruined the game for me. It may seem minor, but once you’re aware of this type of brainwashing it’s impossible to ignore. There’s no way a slim female could keep up with the massive battle-hardened male Gears in that kind of environment. They would be a liability as they are in real life combat.
Exactly! By contrast, the male characters in Gears of War 3 are all completely accurate representations of real-world men.
This is what dudes look like, for real.
Goldenfetus continued:
You’ll see the same thing in most stat-based role-playing games as well, where you have the option of a female player character – like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, D&D, etc. The women never have any strength or intelligence penalties compared to the males. … They want to give the impression that people of any race, gender, and sexual-orientation are interchangeable – that there are no differences in ability between them, and that only a bigot could think otherwise. I’m sick of it too.
At the very least, female characters should be depicted as carriers of cooties.
Despite the very serious subject matter – video game misandry is never funny! – Xtc tried to lighten the mood with a little humor:
It would be hilarious to portray the female characters realistically. If you chose the female character in your FPS [First Person Shooter] she would have to move very slowly, dragging the gun around. You could build in some extra shake to the crosshairs to represent hopeless accuracy. Every time you needed to reload your gun, instead of just pressing a button, you’d have to find a male character and go through some flirting dialogue options to persuade him to do it for you. One out of every four missions the game would tell you that you were sitting out this one due to ‘women’s issues’.
Calloway, for his part, offered some historical perspective:
This is nothing new. I got heavy into gaming back in the late 90’s and even back then they had Tomb Raider, S.I.N., etc. Even in the original Unreal, you played as a big-breasted female.
I saw a documentary on the making of the original Tomb Raider once. The lead character, Lara Croft, was originally going to be a man. They saw him as an Indiana Jones-type character. Then, one of the designers suggested it be a woman because “if you’re going to be playing a game for hours, you might as well have something good to look at”. …
When you first take the red pill, it’s amazing the things you see. It’s as if you had blinders on before, and all of sudden they’ve been removed, allowing you to actually understand what you’ve been seeing.
Yep. And what you’ve been seeing is Lara Croft’s ass. Lara Croft’s ass oppresses men! The red pill tells me so!
Also, those tiny misandrist shorts just make the gynpression worse.
Now we come to the clincher.
When you try to get romantic with the imaginary ladies in video games, they don’t act like Roissy and those dudes say ladies act. I mean, you can’t even neg them! As Dave sadly pointed out:
I remember about 12 years ago playing the Baldur’s Gate rpg series and there were some romance dialog paths between your character and some of the women who could join your group but you had to treat them very nice. You couldn’t give them any attitude or make fun of them otherwise it would be over.
Basically you have to be a total mangina towards women in most games if you want to bed them.
Even imaginary ladies are stuck up bitches!
The horror!
I had a
Posted on January 11, 2012, in antifeminism, evil women, hypocrisy, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, masculinity, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misandry, misogyny, oppressed men, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 599 Comments.
point one: my mother was the top marksperson in her government training class, of approximately 200 men and women (in the 1980s, so probably mostly men).
point two: OMG I KNOW RIGHT I CAN’T DO ANYTHING WHEN I HAVE MY PERIOD LOL LOL LOL I’M JUST GLAD NONE OF MY FRIENDS HAVE NOTICED I COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR AND STOP GOING TO WORK FOR A WEEK OUT OF EVERY MONTH LOL
That’s right, guys, women can’t possibly shoot or reload a gun:
Female units in a strategy game having good stats? This must be a result of female empowerment brainwashing. It can’t possibly have been the result of game balancing or to increase unit variety. Oh no…
This actually worries me, since it shows these MGTOWers can’t even shut up and enjoy a hobby like videogames without seeing nefarious plots by the gynocracy.
Aw, Dave, you have be nice (not Nice) to women IRL to bed them. No guarantees, but it helps.
The sad thing about this article, though, is how similar it is to a lot of discussion in mainstream gaming forums. There’s a lot of talk out there about how cruel it is to force the player (obviously male) to play as a woman, and a lot of “but that’s just ordinary” about the umpty-billion games where you’re forced to play as a man.
(Ditto with white and straight. Considering the kerfluffle over games where being gay is even an option, can you imagine the reaction to a game where loving someone of the same gender was a compulsory part of the plotline?)
“Somehow I doubt that in real life a nun would have swung a sword or used a spear faster and harder than a feudal warlord, and this game was based on history.”
I for one cannot believe that a video game would take liberties with historical facts
Oops, I tried to get it to start at 1:00
Bwahaha, I can’t believe someone is complaining that men are oppressed by women in video games. What planet do these people live on?
IIRC The shinto monks I think he’s referring to have been in the game (and female) since the very first total war game.
I far prefer to teach women to shoot than I do teaching men. The men tend to show up with the idea they know how to shoot, and that all they need to do is get some, “tips” to be better.
Women tend to listen, and they don’t think the things I’m telling them are, “useless” because it’s not what they are used to/”already know”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna_bugeisha
They even match the time period and place as the game he’s complaining about. admittedly they aren’t nuns, but you can’t have everything.
Oddly enough, Goldenfetus kind of has a point about female game sprites being unrealistically thin for the kind of physical activities the characters do. But then he has to turn right back around and decide the solution is to remove female characters altogether, rather than resdesigning them.
I betcha anything that if female game characters were designed with realistic physiques for the physical prowess they display, these guys would complain that they looked like “uggo lesbians.”
By the way, if you want a way to hate all of the video game community, watch this:
I guess those gamers don’t know their kung fu history, or read Beautiful Warrior: The Legend of The Nun’s Kung Fu, or they’d know that Bruce Lee’s technique was originally developed by a Buddhist nun.
Dave probably tried to romance Viconia … first fanboyish irreal-crush of my life. Well, drow are not for the ogrish.
In Super Mario Brothers 2 for the original NES, Princess Toadstool was a playable character instead of a damsel in distress to rescue. The MGTOW must hate that game. “What do you mean Peach helps Mario? Women can’t jump on Koopa troopas and use their turtle shells to kill Bob Ombs. That’s misandry!!!!!!!!” They might be able to handle Metroid, since Samus Aran wore a suit that hid the fact that she’s a woman. Then again, if you beat the game, you can see her in a bikini, and of course fan service for straight men is also misandry!!!!!!!
This guy has obviously never seen my wife shoot 1-inch groups with her Colt Python .357
Hey ladies? Did you know that video games are the last man-fort left in the world? Unfortunately, because we ladies keep trying to break in with our feminist siege towers, the MGTOW defenders have really suffered intolerable hardships! Having the option of playing a video game as a female character is a soul crushing experience, … er… for some reason!
In other news, I probably read those same comments in a thread at kotaku once.
Wow, were there any qualifications to be a contestant on that show at all?
WTF David?! You mean I’ve been trying to GOW my body for nothing?
@Blue Jean
Put aside history, have they not watched any kung fu movies!
I’m actually shocked that some MGTOWer hasn’t posted a shrill article about how you have the option of getting married in Skyrim, and how it’s obvious an evil plot by the gynocracy to brainwash young men into getting married and giving their wives money (Skyrim spouses give you 100 gold per day).
Yeah, about that. In Skyrim you don’t have to get married, you can also marry a spouse of the same gender, your spouse actually helps you out by running a shop, your spouse will cook for you, and so on.
I’m disappointed that they haven’t. I’ve been looking forward to elaborate, tin-foil hat diatribes.
I’m playing as a female Khajiit. I may wed some lusty Nord woman just because.
I wonder what the MRA POV is on non-human, non-gendered characters?
Kong, the toad, mushroom etc?
David, how about a competition to do a treatment for an MRA video game?
To keep things reasonably light (no mass murder etc), the guidelines could be a “platform” game rather than a “shoot ‘em up”?
I do agree with this though. I mean, if there was going to be any kind of accuracy, wouldn’t the Redguard have the ability to dunk as one of their powers?
And let’s not even get into the misandry in games like The Sims or Fable, where you have to hide any cheating or your wife’ll divorce you and take half your assets!!! Vile shrews!!! This is Feminism run amok I tell you, AMOK!!
Hahahaha! these losers really at the real life He-Man Woman Haters Club. I wonder if they post “No Girls Allowed” on their front doors.
Not only was the princess a playable character in SMB:2, but she was one of the better characters to take in many of the levels. I often chose her instead of the other 3. I guess that makes me a “mangina”.
But I love the whole “Oh noes, I hate that a game based on some fantasy idea has something that I do not find realistic” idea belonging to the MRA.
I can see it now “Women can’t do that, this game sucks. I am gonna go play my other game where I can strap on a jetpack, fueled by nuclear fusion, and travel by warp speed to another galaxy where I can use my laser guns to defeat the evil lizard alien hordes trying to take over planet Earth”.
Apparently, taking the red pill makes you not able to appreciate CGI booty. Color me…completely indifferent.
Wouldn’t they treat all characters as default men unless they had feminine names or pink dresses? Unless the piranha plant has a bow on hir head, people will assume zie is a man.
I dunno, ya think that the (probably male) game developers made ninja nuns because THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY? Nope, must be misandry. FFS.
ng85 writes, “Well, if female empowerment in games prevents escort missions where you protect some whining woman who keeps walking into walls, then I’m all for them.”
I think this one is accidentally onto something.
Also, you get to play AS A WOMAN in those games!! And, you can have same sex marriages in them as well! OMG! It’s like game developers are starting to reflect reality in these games! What is happening to the world?!?!?!
Oh man. Just fucking build your fucking NO GIRLS ALLOWED tree fort and fucking rot in it.
JESUS. Could these little boys be any more pathetic?
Sure, laugh, mangina. But that shit happens to my husband ALL THE TIME.
Playing a female avatar in Second Life was certainly an eye-opening experience–both positive and negative. On the plus side, I got more attention. On the negative side, I got more attention. It was creepy enough dealing with unwanted attention in a space where I could log off, let alone in real life.
It was astonishing the number of guys who would say “hey, sexy baby, you have web cam?” It was like being stalked by Borat.
“Kong, the toad, mushroom etc?”
“Major Kong” was the B-52 pilot in the movie Dr. Strangelove (Stanley Kubrick). The part was played by Slim Pickens.
And yes, I really did fly B-52s.
Would the MGTOW enjoy games like Rumble Roses, Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball, or Grand Theft Auto? Surely they can find some games that objectify women enough for their tastes. It’s not like there’s a shortage of sexist video games.
It’s sad, but sometimes I play online games with my husband’s gamer profile so I can avoid all the creepy come on lines and sammich jokes. I don’t always have the patience to deal with it.
A traditional Japanese sword weighs about six pounds, even a pregnant woman can safely lift that shit. Most guns aren’t that heavy either. I’ve seen my mother fire a rifle, kill livestock with hatchets, use a sledgehammer, etc. It rather baffles me that these men don’t think any woman could even lift 6-10 lbs (spears aren’t incredibly heavy either) or reload a gun. Reloading a gun in general isn’t overly hard and doesn’t take a huge amount of physical strength. Even muskets are totally doable, my little sister has slender female friend who isn’t even five feet tall who goes musket hunting and rifle hunting. Shit, the level of physical strength these guys seem to think the average woman has is so low it’s a miracle they believe a woman could carry groceries or her own infant children.
“Would the MGTOW enjoy games like Rumble Roses, Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball, or Grand Theft Auto? Surely they can find some games that objectify women enough for their tastes. It’s not like there’s a shortage of sexist video games.”
I think MGTOWers would enjoy one of those Japanese hentai games where you go around groping women on the subway.
hahahahahahahah–the feminist cootie takeover of the world moves on apace! Quiver, ye fearful trolls, for we shall rule ALLL!
Men are oppressed
This I know
For the red pill tells me so
Ladies take over the games
Brainwashing drives me insane
Yes, men are oppressed
Yes, men are oppressed
Yes, men are oppressed
The red pill tells me so
Grand Theft Auto? Pssh You can have a girlfriend in that game and you actually have to spend time with the ELITIST BITCH otherwise she gets mad…
How’d I do? Is that accurate to MRA-ish thinking?
Who was the first one to start this ‘red pill’ bullshit? I realize it’s a reference to the Matrix, but who was the first MRA to say, “OMG, this is just like my life!” ?
Grand Theft Auto? Pssh You can have a girlfriend in that game and you actually have to spend time with the ELITIST BITCH otherwise she gets mad…
How’d I do? Is that accurate to MRA-ish thinking?
Mmmm…needs more spelling and grammar errors, more random curse words, and at least one reference to “cupcake” or “princesses.”
@darksidecat: Perhaps it has something to do with the sword or the gun or whatever being a stand-in for their penis.
Only men have penises, therefore only men can use guns properly. Women who try to use guns are attempting to appropriate the penis for themselves, and not having one of their own, they fail at it.
Or something. The above was not a serious attempt to explain How Things Is.
I am very thankful that Bioware and Bethesda and game companies like that take pains to make sure you can play a woman or a man in their games and the games themselves don’t treat you any different.
I have seen the “women should take a hit to strength and/or intelligence” argument in the realm of tabletop RPGs. One person wrote in to Dragon Magazine round about 2001 and was magnanimously offering to allow women characters to bear children in exchange for a -2 to Strength, while men characters got +2 Strength and the ability to father children.
I keep trying to show people that folks who play D&D aren’t pimply lonely teens with poor hygiene, but sometimes it’s hard …
Why don’t these guys go play Custer’s Revenge?
The idea that, when a (presumably) straight man said to other men: “how about putting a woman with the physic of a model as the hero? That’s something that many straight men will find sexy (especially if she’s fighting) and they will enjoy looking at her butt all game long.” it is feminist brainwashing is hilarious.
I know this is a pretty minor point, but I remember in the old Baldur’s Gate games the romance options depended on the character you were romancing. Each of the 4 romancable characters were different and required different styles to complete the romances, including one that would look down on you for being too nice. What Dave seems to be complaining about is that even scripted virtual women from the 90’s have too many personality traits, that he has to take into account which of the extremely limited pre programmed response trees each character is obviously on. The three romancable female characters in that game were so obviously virgin, mother, and whore, and yet he complains that the romance option was not sexist enough. I suppose pointing out that this is ridiculous is obvious, but it is also the purpose of this site, so here you go. This Dave fellow is ridiculous.
@darksidecat…
My son is now 8 months old. He’s been able to hold his head up since birth and he is not a petite child. He is incredibly strong. And he has decided that when he shits his pants and his diaper needs changing this is the perfect time to try out for new some new, weird poop-related Olympic event. It’s pretty much a 3-person job. One time I had the help of 2 grown men. It was still really hard. Yet I manage to muddle through.
@Kyie: I came to an MRA Youtube video, and one of the comments (from an MRA) was making fun of the video-maker, pointing out how fat he was among other things. I forget the exact words, but basically the insulted guy blamed feminism for making the man angry enough to insult him. There is nothing that they cannot blame feminists/women for.
I remember about 12 years ago playing the Baldur’s Gate rpg series and there were some romance dialog paths between your character and some of the women who could join your group but you had to treat them very nice. You couldn’t give them any attitude or make fun of them otherwise it would be over.
Hey, that’s not fair! One of the women who can romance you in Baldur’s Gate will dump you if you are too much of a pushover and not mean enough. Whereas if you play as a woman, you have only one love interest instead of three and he definitely will dump you even if you are only a little mean to him. Also on that note in Baldur’s Gate oppression of men, if you tell the wingless winged elf that you were thinking of having sex with her but just can’t get over those horrible scarred lumps on her back, she will dump you and leave; and if you tell the fighting widow that her dead husband was a weakling who deserved his fate, she will also dump you and leave.
MRAs could play Christian video games.
http://www.gamespot.com/left-behind-eternal-forces/reviews/left-behind-eternal-forces-review-6162370
Only males can become priestlike disciples and handyman builders, whereas only women can become nurses. Female units are actually designated as such and given ridiculous titles like “Friend Woman” and “Medic Woman,” a sexual distinction that unsurprisingly isn’t extended to their male counterparts.
The Gamespot review doesn’t mention it, but the few professions allowed for female characters (I think it’s nurse, entertainer, and maybe one other thing) are either useless or less useful than the comparable male profession (for example, the male doctors have more healing power than the nurses). So anyone playing the game quickly learns just to not put any women on their team. The MRA message lives in Christ!
I’ve been target shooting all of once in my life and I can’t say I don’t suck at it, but I can load and fire a damn gun. Learning to reload a gun takes all of, what, a minute?
Given that Gears of War is basically What Video Games Would Look Like If Rob Liefeld Made Them* – absurd, lumbering, homoerotic meatpiles wielding guns that look like two VCRs taped together – I was pleasantly taken aback by the fact that Gears 3’s female characters (the first in the series) weren’t sporting chrome-plated battlekinis but were just wearing the same stuff as everybody else. I’m not averse to a gratuitously scantily-clad female video game character or two, but I thought this showed admirable restraint for such a juvenile (though enjoyable) franchise.
* So is Cliffy B the Rob Liefeld of video games, or is Rob Liefeld the Cliffy B of comics?
“The nuns had an attack 20% -40% higher than most units in the game.”
My father went to Catholic school in the 1950s. The way he described nuns, I’m surprised the number isn’t higher. I think I’d rather face a feudal warlord.
@Fatman,
I remember that! Also, I believe the only option straight women had was to woo the stick-up-the-ass paladin wannabe. I don’t believe same-sex relationships were even an option.
Ye gods, unitled, that video is completely hideous. Even all the youtube commenters think so.
ng85 writes, “Well, if female empowerment in games prevents escort missions where you protect some whining woman who keeps walking into walls, then I’m all for them.”
I think this one is accidentally onto something.
I have to admit, I love that these nitwits can manage to be sexist against a line of code. It must take real effort to get so involved in woman-hating that you can manage not to laugh at yourself while arguing that NPCs on escort quests routinely walk into walls, stroll merrily into a gang of enemies, or manage to get themselves stuck on fenceposts not because the AI is shitty but because the game designers put boobs on them.
Ugh, I hated the paladin the second I met him. Definitely annoying that he’s the love interest.
I love the hate that the geek community gets from certain holier than thou feminists. These guys just haven’t had as much success with the wimmin. The lack of empathy is astounding, bordering on psychopathic, in my opinion. There are female equivalents- look at the creepy Twilight girls, mostly fat, who see Edward as the standard for all men. Look at the tweenage chicks and their flavor of the month- Bieber, Archuleta, etc. What if a bunch of grown men were hanging over the fence waving their arms and screaming their heads off as, I don’t know, Angelina Jolie walked by? That’s misandry in action.
So I take it you’ve given up on the whole “don’t be a dick” thing? Bummer. But I called it.
STOP IT! All I’m doing is disagreeing with an earlier comment that I found snide and mean! This is NOT BEING A DICK!
Jesus fuck dude, there’s a whole world out there!! Why do you find yourself back here time after time?
At this point, continuing not to stick your flounce IS being a dick, dude.
There are female equivalents- look at the creepy Twilight girls, mostly fat, who see Edward as the standard for all men.
As a fat woman I trust I’m not alone in telling you to go fuck yourself, fuck your hat, fuck the horse you rode in on, and fuck anyone who thinks like you.
darksidecat, you mentioned it first, but there are a lot of guys I’ve gotten into arguments with over sword weight.
As a gal who studies Historical European Martial Arts it is really surprising how many folks think that Medieval swords would weight any where from 12 to 50 pounds. I’m not sure where these thoughts came into fruition, maybe old Victorian ideas, Hollywood and or D&D, but the heaviest European sword on record was the sword of Pier Gerlofs Donia, which is on display at the Fries Museum in Leeuwarden. It weighs 14.5 pounds and measures approximately 7 feet tall.
7 feet tall!
Although most swords, using Ewart Oakeshott’s research as reference, are 1-5 pounds, the 5 pounders being more sparse.
This is all European information, but, while I’m not too familiar with Eastern Martial Arts, fellow comrades in the study who follow both also complain about misconceptions about sword weight and (moving to the second part of I Am statement that bothers me) “swinging harder and faster.”
Strength does not equal martial power, further in sword fighting it plays less of a role. I’m not saying that sword motion should be flimsy, but solid swings need a balance in between the two. If you swing a sword, the momentum of that movement will want to follow in that direction.
In an example, performing a down ward strike from shoulder with a two handed sword. First, how you’re holding the sword is very important. George Silver refers to it as true times, basing it off Plato’s physics idea perfect version. Holding a two handed sword from your shoulder, intending to strike down, it has to be in a position of opportune placement. If your hands and sword are too far back it takes more time to strike, if they are too far forward your hands move in first before the sword. Your hands move the sword in front first, then followed by your body, adding more momentum to the movement, then your feet, giving the sword a final snap just before the point when it is almost fully extending, then draw. The sword should move at an angle, downward to the ground. (After that, instead of just standing there like a drill, it is usually advised to follow that motion to keep it moving continuously, but to my point!) Trying to swing as hard and fast as you can in those restrictions of good technique is unnecessary, because your hands, body and feet are helping you create good movement and solid strikes. Trying to swing as hard and fast out side that technique creates sloppy movement, slow recovery and easily extended targets.
TL;DR
Right, that’s a lot of ranting. The design of a sword, as an extension of the body, which should move in motion with the body, while you’re fighting, doesn’t need to be wielded by swinging as hard and fast as you can.
1.) It’s a quick way to become tired out in the first few moments of fighting.
2.) Well executed movements don’t require you to put all your energy into them, good body mechanics, technique and stamina will make you a good fighter.
3.) Moving as “hard” as you can is not always opportune. Quick cuts at extended targets don’t need to be given all your power, but are effective. A cut to a hand could handicap your opponent from even holding a sword. Ergo, you win, yay!
4.) Ignoring good technique and moving as “hard and fast” is a quick way to get killed
Stupid information, getting in the way misogyny.
It has been a long time and I modded the hell out of that game, so I cannot remember if in the out of the box version allowed for homosexual parings (i don’t think that it did), but a whole lot of the mods allowed for them. This is what led designers of later games to program homosexual parings, that people wanted them so much that they were altering the games to allow for them. This is what I think is really angering the men David quoted in the post, that people want female characters, that people want gay characters. The culture is, slowly and haltingly, becoming more feminist, and they see their position as the assumed default slipping away.
This position as the assumed default, for those of you reading that still don’t understand, is what privilege is. That there are people, and female people. Or people, and black people, Or people, and gay people. Or people, and Asian people. The idea that straight is not a sexuality, that white is not a race, or that male is not a gender, just the assumed norms that should be catered to, is what privilege comes from.
“These guys just haven’t had as much success with the wimmin”
Oh yes, the ol’ “If women had just been nicer to these men, they wouldn’t be such misogynists” argument. We need to that add that to the Shopworn Perennials forum thread if it isn’t there already.
It’s amazing how quickly MRAL has squandered whatever goodwill he was initially given.
When I play games like Fallout or Dragon Age I usually use a female avatar because I tend to think that it makes the story more unique, or interesting. Most games I’ve played in my life had a default male character, so when I have the option I usually roll female.
I think it’s interesting when certain games, like Bioware RPGs make the game experience slightly different depending on gender. Not the abilities, but I know that the social interactions are different in the Dragon Age games. Though, full disclosure, I went totally nerd-ape and beat the first one like 7 times, so maybe I pick up on things that are only minor differences.
It’s amazing how quickly MRAL has squandered whatever goodwill he was initially given.
He’s such a disappointment. I was so warmed by his confession that I assumed that he was now prepared to see women as human beings just like himself. Turns out he’s a douchenozzle, just not a genuinely sick douchenozzle. Fucking sad.
This is NOT BEING A DICK!
I think maybe you need a refresher course in what “not being a dick” entails.
Lesson 1: declaring that women aren’t allowed to like a particular book/movie/musician = being a dick.
Lesson 1.1 for the advanced class: it is actually possible to say that Twilight/Bieber/etc. is godawful dreck without being a dick to people who like them. For example, you can say, “Edward is pretty much the antithesis of sexy, what with being a creepy stalker and all,” without saying “women who like Twilight are probably FAT.”
Which brings us to Lesson 2: Whining about how some women dare to be fat (and suggesting that that’s relevant to anything here) = being a dick.
Then there’s Lesson 3: Going on with the stupid “wimminz” crap after people have pointed out it’s obnoxious = being a dick. And Lesson 4: Getting really upset that women have sexual desires for people who aren’t you = being a dick.
You genuinely make me sad, MRAL. I was really happy to see you trying to grow up and change, but this isn’t growing up or changing – it’s the same old “how dare women be attracted to men” BS you’ve been spouting since day 1. I guess you didn’t call them bitches this time? Are we meant to be excited about that?
(Also, speaking as a geek and a feminist, I have no problem with geeks. I have a problem with sexist idiots who happen to be geeks. When a guy is whining about the horror of having the option to play as a female character, it isn’t because he’s a geek, it’s because he’s a moron.)
So, Video Games are feminist evil to these guys, too?
Good, one less asshole in the Atlus RPG fanbase. Now if you excuse me, I’m going to recruit some demons in Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey…which has WOMEN CHARACTERS, and DEMONS WITH BOOBS! OMG, the MISANDRY!!!!
Seriously, though, this is beyond pathethic. This line of thinking crosses the sitcom Big Embarassing Moment level.