How to spot a feminist
Some feminists can be converted!
Over on Reddit, DoktorTeufel has a problem: he likes the ladies, but he doesn’t like the feminists. Unfortunately, some ladies are also feminists! And therein lies the danger. Naturally, he turns to the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit for help.
I’m just going to come out and say it: I will never knowingly enter into a romantic relationship with a feminist. I do have some female relatives and acquaintances who are feminists … and it’s not like they all wear signs that proclaim I’M A FEMINIST. (Some do.)
Aside from obvious telltales (feminist bumper stickers, etc.) or outright asking them “Are you a feminist?”, what are some discreet ways to ferret out a woman’s views on gender activism without creating an awkward situation? Feminism is a minefield topic, and I certainly wouldn’t broach the subject directly with a woman I’ve just started dating.
Naturally, this being the Men’s Rights subreddit, he received much helpful advice. Celda broke it down for him:
You don’t really care whether she identifies as a feminist or not – you care what her views are.
For instance, does she feel women have the right to force men into parental obligations against their will?
Does she feel women are oppressed in Western society?
Does she think that women make less money than men for the same work?
If yes to these questions or similar, then you probably want to avoid her.
Exactly. Always avoid those with a basic grasp on reality. They’re the worst!
Naive1000 suggested looking for more subtle clues.
Ask their thoughts on “benevolent sexism” if they know what your talking about you likely have a feminist. Just to make sure go into male privilege, it’s the feminists’ most popular talking point. Let her talk about it then you can see what she’s really like. But, there are some women who call themselves feminists, but are really egalitarian: they just don’t know the term.
Memymineown also suggests a subtle approach, and holds out hope that some of the younger feminist girls can be won back to the path of righteousness:
Bring Men’s Rights issues into the conversation subtly. I was talking with my family about Justin Beiber and brought up the paternity charge and no rape charges filed against the woman.
That led into a discussion about how women aren’t punished for rape.
Just do things like that.
But you shouldn’t exclude all feminists. I would say that the vast majority are just girls(I do use that word on purpose) who have been lied to. Once you show them the real facts they will probably come around.
ThePigman, by contrast, urges DoktorTeufel to go for the jugular:
Why do you need to be discrete about it? Just ask her. If she is a member of the cult she will start screaming about the patriarchy, then her head will explode.
It’s true. Pretty much every conversation involving feminists quickly devolves into screaming about patriarchy. Heck, a feminist friend and I once screamed about patriarchy for five hours straight. We probably could have gone longer, but the manager at Applebee’s, evidently not a feminist, threw us out. Sometimes I start screaming about patriarchy when no one else is around, just to keep in practice.
Conversations with feminists pretty much all go like the conversation in the video below, only instead of a cat you need to picture a feminist, and instead of the word “no,” the word “patriarchy.” You can see how annoying that might get, and not just to Hitler.
Posted on January 5, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, MRA, patriarchy, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 756 Comments.
“New” constitution? Did I miss a class?
Anyway, NWO, you do realize that this nation has been in debt since the beginning, right? The Revolutionary War didn’t finance itself.
Also I’m quite handy with repairs, renovation, auto repair. That’ll be extra, but hey.
I imagine NWO’s plan for providing if we had no welfare/Social Security/Medicare/etc. can best be summed up with a quote from Dickens:
“If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
@ zhinxy
Hmm. I have 2 bottles of sake, one bottle of red wine, and a couple of bottles of a shitty spiced cider drink that my friend left last time she was here in the house. I wonder if NWO would start to make sense if I drank all of that booze in one sitting?
NWO, not even if you had dollars bills flying out your ears and falling out your ass. Unless you got a complete personality transplant, I’d have to decline your offer.
NWO, since when is anybody obligated to be anybody’s domestic servant for free?
I don’t even understand what you’re getting at with that “offer.” Obviously it would be a bad deal for you and that’s the point.
I’m definitely not paying him for sexual services, since he doesn’t seem like he’d be much use at getting the job done in that regard.
He doesn’t seem like he’d be much use at anything, and even if he were, I’d rather pay triple for someone else to perform a service just to avoid him.
@hellkell
““New” constitution? Did I miss a class?”
Original constitution; Article 1 section 9
“No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid”
Ammendment Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
The birth of the federal reserve.
Maybe he can persuade women to pay him to go away, like one sometimes does with particularly bad buskers?
So NWO is “ignoring” Zhinxy now too? xD (after declaring victory of course! XD He acts like other ppl only go by what he says and they can’t read how badly he’s flailed in the Libertarian discussion…)
If it’s nething like how he ignores me, it means Zhinxy can now influence what NWO does by simply posting on a topic and watching NWO avoid it like the plague (which of course means he read it or he wouldn’t know what to avoid xD )
You can tell what NWO’s sore points are and who gets under his skin the most by who he runs fleeing from xD
(we’ll see how long he ignores Zhinxy for neways XD )
At this rate, NWO will have ignored all of us by the end of 2017 (he’ll prolly still be here by then sadly xD I prolly won’t)
OH AND BY THE WAY!!!
GUYZZZZ
I GOT THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Holly Pervocracy | January 5, 2012 at 6:55 pm
NWO, since when is anybody obligated to be anybody’s domestic servant for free?
SHHHHHH, don’t tell him. NWO is my domestic servant for free and he doesn’t know that he’s not obligated to be.
CONGRATULATIONS AMI!
:D
(>^^)>
Congrats, Ami!
@Holly Pervocracy
“I don’t even understand what you’re getting at with that “offer.” Obviously it would be a bad deal for you and that’s the point.”
The price to have a woman live with a man is unreachable for 99.9% of all men.
Oh btw, I’m sending out my gifts to ppl :3 If you would like a gift from me, or a card or something, drop your address off in a PM on the forum :D
I was unable to do this during the holidays but I’m doing it now :D (also the mail traffic is clearer now)
Funny. I have a screening tactic to see if men in my life and men I date (well when and if I decide to date) are MRAs or MRA sympathizers.
Does he talk about how unfair men, particularity white straight men have it in modern society?
Does he rant about false rape accusations and exaggerate/lie about the numbers?
Does he hold hostile views towards feminism or rant about feminism until his head explodes?
Is he a self proclaimed “nice guy”?
Does he dehumanize “sluts”?
Does he go on about how different men and women are and always brings up naturalistic fallacies?
If any of these are met, buh-bye. On the contrary though, if we can both agree that women have shit to deal with and men also have some shit to deal with and can discuss it without hating on the opposite sex, then all is fine. Hell can he criticize SOME aspects of feminism logically without throwing the entire movement and all it’s positive gains out the window? also fine. The few guys and girls I’ve talked about the MRM insist that they are a minority and just a bunch of crazies on the internet. I hope for the sake of all that is sane and logical they are right.
Bullshit, NWO. That’s just more of your willful obtuseness.
Do you think I’m going to submit my husband a bill at the end of every quarter?
Oh and NWO, if you want a gift, I’ll send you a little something too :D (no srsly I will :D and no, it won’t be a Star Wars book… it’ll be something not mean though :) )
So how has NWO done at not reading anything w/ a single smiley in it?
What happens if you talk about the Scion xD btw? Can he read that or not?
YAY AMI! \o/
It’d be hilarious if he went to the car dealership and just DEMANDED that the advertising material he get have the Scion xD excised from it.
Okay, and you think it should be…
Do you think women should live with men and do their laundry just because? Or do you have a specific offer to make? I’m very confused here.
The price to have a woman live with a man is unreachable for 99.9% of all men.
oh? xD
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
so 99.9% of the male population in the world has never been married, or had sex, or had a girlfriend? xD
So NWO’s dad must be one of the .1%
Conga-rats Ami! Mexican wave time! \o/
@Ami: He totally responded to a post of zhinxy’s with an “XD” in it, but now he’s trying to pretend he didn’t because he’s afraid of you!
XD
Getting back to the OP, it seems clear to me that some of the people posting in this thread are feminists, though inexplicably there has been very little screaming about patriarchy.
I don’t know what job you got, Ami, but since you’re all excited about it then congratulations anyway!
And NWO’s grandfather… and his great grandfather and etc etc etc
You know, you are REALLY REALLY lucky to have existed! Earth is 5000 years old right NWO? Let’s assume a generation is 25 years… that’s 200 generations of NWO lineage.
So you had a 0.001^200 chance of existing given that all of your male ancestors had to be of the 0.1% that got a woman.
Just out of curisoty, is the man paying for the housing, food, clothing all the rest free?
An average run of the mill hotelroom is $90.00 a night, can I deduct that off a womans fee? Thatd be $32,850.00 a year. Now the food itself say costs another 10K a year. How about the clothing, electricity, heat, water, sewer, trash removal, repairs.
It seems in the end, It’s a pretty good deal.
I told you guys I’m training NWO to learn who has contact w/ me outside MBZ xD
He’s figured out Zhinxy…
who’s next… his ban list is gonna get loooonnnnggg
he must avoid those tainted by Ami!
If you hang a symbol of XD on your door the spirit of NWO will pass your house by. xD
I know I’m wasting my breath, NWO, but…
By saying women’s housework is worth money, I don’t literally mean the husband has to cut a check to his wife to live in his home. I more mean that it shouldn’t be treated like nothing.
He doesn’t get to say “it’s my money so I make the decisions” in financial decisions, because for all her work, it’s her money too. For the same reason, he doesn’t get to take all the money in a divorce.
It would be cool if women could literally get money for housework, but if we can’t, the least we can get is treated like workers, not like freeloaders.
“hotelroom”
First the apostrophes, and now the space bar. You’re regressing, sir.
@Quackers
If you help a straight white man your a racist.
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Just out of curisoty, is the man paying for the housing, food, clothing all the rest free?
An average run of the mill hotelroom is $90.00 a night, can I deduct that off a womans fee? Thatd be $32,850.00 a year. Now the food itself say costs another 10K a year. How about the clothing, electricity, heat, water, sewer, trash removal, repairs.
It seems in the end, It’s a pretty good deal.
NWO your math is wrong. xD
But I help straight white men all the time o: In fact both of my bosses are straight white men.
NWO’s calling me a racist!
SHAMING LANGUAGE!!!
SHAMING LANGUAGE!!!
NWO stop shaming people.
@Ami: Don’t you have to paint the xD on your door with the blood of a castrated male? :D
Your “a racist” what?
Why is my house a hotel? It could at least be an apartment. And you better put in a steep break on the price for sharing it with a roommate. See, now you’re down to like $6000 a month.
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2012/01/sudbury-ywca-shelter-question-trans.html
Also dropping this link off because HOLY WTF >:O
@Holly Pervocracy
What money in a divorce?
You’re talking about a dream world.
You keep looking at the elite. That aint the real world. And even with them it’s a joke. What woman deserves 50 or 60 million for a divorce?
@Lauralot YUP! xD preferably a castrated male human
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@Holly Pervocracy
What money in a divorce?
You’re talking about a dream world.
You keep looking at the elite. That aint the real world. And even with them it’s a joke. What woman deserves 50 or 60 million for a divorce?
What’s the real world? o_O
In the real world, men get money in a divorce too.
Not just “elites” xD I’m pretty sure you know this, honestly, b/c you interact w/ real human beings, and you live in the same world as the rest of us xD
@Holly Pervocracy
Cooking and cleaning 60K a year? If you think you’re gonna charge such an outrageous sum and not get nailed $90.00 a day for a hotel fee dream on sweetie.
What’s the elite to him btw? o_O
The 0.1% of men who get a wife?
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@Holly Pervocracy
Cooking and cleaning 60K a year? If you think you’re gonna charge such an outrageous sum and not get nailed $90.00 a day for a hotel fee dream on sweetie.
Your math is wrong again NWO xD
@Ami: That link is so fucked up. I had to comment, it was so fucked up.
What money in a divorce?
How about half the money she helped her husband earn? Or at least a goodly share of it.
If a woman’s husband earned 200 million while she was keeping his house, raising his kids, undoubtedly helping him with his work and finances, then 50 million seems extremely reasonable.
NWO, you know Holly’s already got you beaten don’t you? xD You just are so short-sighted xD
NWO, I don’t literally expect $60K for housekeeping. (Well, I don’t expect anything for housekeeping because I don’t plan to have kids and I want to have a career of my own.)
But I don’t like the fact that your counteroffer is “just because.”
@Holly Pervocracy
50 million seems reasonable? For what? Hiring the three nannies while she pranced about playing the spoiled little socialite?
Yea I’m sure she was scubbing toilets and raising “his” children. Funny how that’s the only time men get credit as fathers! Any onther time it’s “her” children.
Yeah Lauralot :\ It IS.
I’ve been reading up on the Vancouver Rape Relief vs Kimberly Nixon case (which Nixon won but then was reversed on appeal) and it’s kinda disturbing because the judge’s reasons open up a whole can of worms.
NWO would like his judgement though :3 For example, he refers to VRR as a “club like sisterhood” and therefore it’s okay to exclude Nixon b/c VRR isn’t big enough to really hurt the trans community neways…
Also that a reasonable trans person would know to not apply to VRR so she shouldn’t have expected to not be discriminated against in the first place.
I think NWO would agree with both those statement.
And this is the COURT, so so much for the feminist-trans conspiracy running the world huh NWO? xD
Oh wait you can’t read this xD
Now the question is… if my workplace gets involved in doing a trans education workshop with the shelter… would NWO be for or against it? xD Who does he hate more, women’s shelters or trans ppl? xD
Okay, NWO, now this argument is getting somewhat sidetracked by the part where you hate women and don’t believe any woman ever does any work.
Hard to debate details when you get into that.
(Also, I’m just going to throw this out there: no one who has $200 million deserves it. Not in the sense of having worked proportionally a thousand times harder than someone who has $200K. So–personal bias–I don’t really give a shit what happens to $199.8 million or so of their money.)
“onther”
Dude, are you even trying?
NWO, Mel Gibson’s (a personal hero of yours, I’m sure) ex-wife got 450 million. That’s a lot more than 50 or 60 million.
@Amused
“There are no awards so large in a divorce that the man is left unable to pay for his own basic necessities.”
Then why are there fathers in prison for being unable to afford child support payments? Didn’t we do away with debtors prison ages ago?
There was this one time I was so close to getting laid, and I wanted to go to a hotel. I offered to pay my half. Unfortunately the dating/relationship/whatever it was fizzled out and it never ended up happening. Anyway, I always go dutch on dates, unless the guy absolutely insists on paying and even then I still feel guilty. Know what instilled that sense of fairness in me? Feminism!
and no, helping white men is not racist, that’s not what I said.
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm
@Holly Pervocracy
50 million seems reasonable? For what? Hiring the three nannies while she pranced about playing the spoiled little socialite?
Yea I’m sure she was scubbing toilets and raising “his” children. Funny how that’s the only time men get credit as fathers! Any onther time it’s “her” children.
o_O
Only b/c you keep referring to them as her children o_O
The rest of us don’t think that way.
NWO, you seem to be by far the most misandrist person on this site. Really, you hate men almost as much as you hate women.
Women are lazy princesses, Holly. xD
Like you!
@Holly Pervocracy
“Okay, NWO, now this argument is getting somewhat sidetracked by the part where you hate women and don’t believe any woman ever does any work.”
Don’t give me that crap, Holly. No one gets anything for work done at home. I’m not paid to cook or clean or repair. Wether it’s just myself two people or ten. And nobody deserves to be paid for doing work in or on their homes.
I, however, got another job today. So… I guess that proves NWO right. I AM a man!
Because I work!
xD
Don’t give me that crap, Holly. No one gets anything for work done at home. I’m not paid to cook or clean or repair. Wether it’s just myself two people or ten. And nobody deserves to be paid for doing work in or on their homes.
But you believe in getting full retail value back when you resell your Star Wars books.
You actually believe you’re owed quite a LOT in your life NWO. o_O
It’s weird you believe nobody else is.