How to spot a feminist
Some feminists can be converted!
Over on Reddit, DoktorTeufel has a problem: he likes the ladies, but he doesn’t like the feminists. Unfortunately, some ladies are also feminists! And therein lies the danger. Naturally, he turns to the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit for help.
I’m just going to come out and say it: I will never knowingly enter into a romantic relationship with a feminist. I do have some female relatives and acquaintances who are feminists … and it’s not like they all wear signs that proclaim I’M A FEMINIST. (Some do.)
Aside from obvious telltales (feminist bumper stickers, etc.) or outright asking them “Are you a feminist?”, what are some discreet ways to ferret out a woman’s views on gender activism without creating an awkward situation? Feminism is a minefield topic, and I certainly wouldn’t broach the subject directly with a woman I’ve just started dating.
Naturally, this being the Men’s Rights subreddit, he received much helpful advice. Celda broke it down for him:
You don’t really care whether she identifies as a feminist or not – you care what her views are.
For instance, does she feel women have the right to force men into parental obligations against their will?
Does she feel women are oppressed in Western society?
Does she think that women make less money than men for the same work?
If yes to these questions or similar, then you probably want to avoid her.
Exactly. Always avoid those with a basic grasp on reality. They’re the worst!
Naive1000 suggested looking for more subtle clues.
Ask their thoughts on “benevolent sexism” if they know what your talking about you likely have a feminist. Just to make sure go into male privilege, it’s the feminists’ most popular talking point. Let her talk about it then you can see what she’s really like. But, there are some women who call themselves feminists, but are really egalitarian: they just don’t know the term.
Memymineown also suggests a subtle approach, and holds out hope that some of the younger feminist girls can be won back to the path of righteousness:
Bring Men’s Rights issues into the conversation subtly. I was talking with my family about Justin Beiber and brought up the paternity charge and no rape charges filed against the woman.
That led into a discussion about how women aren’t punished for rape.
Just do things like that.
But you shouldn’t exclude all feminists. I would say that the vast majority are just girls(I do use that word on purpose) who have been lied to. Once you show them the real facts they will probably come around.
ThePigman, by contrast, urges DoktorTeufel to go for the jugular:
Why do you need to be discrete about it? Just ask her. If she is a member of the cult she will start screaming about the patriarchy, then her head will explode.
It’s true. Pretty much every conversation involving feminists quickly devolves into screaming about patriarchy. Heck, a feminist friend and I once screamed about patriarchy for five hours straight. We probably could have gone longer, but the manager at Applebee’s, evidently not a feminist, threw us out. Sometimes I start screaming about patriarchy when no one else is around, just to keep in practice.
Conversations with feminists pretty much all go like the conversation in the video below, only instead of a cat you need to picture a feminist, and instead of the word “no,” the word “patriarchy.” You can see how annoying that might get, and not just to Hitler.
Posted on January 5, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, MRA, patriarchy, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 756 Comments.
Ullere: @Pecunium WSJ has less of a vested interest than say Feminists. The statistics in the artcle are from an external study performed by a peer reviewed university study, I cannot find it but please try to look it out yourself before you question its validity.
1: The WSJ has a very vested interest. Unlike feminists they get paid by virtue of suppressing wages.
2: That piece you cited was an opinion piece, by an avowed anti-feminist. Ms Lukas most decidedly has an agenda.
3: Ms Lukas doesn’t actually do more than assert a number of things, out of context. Nowhere does she give us the study itself to look at.
4: Nope, you want to say the study is all hunky dory, you are the one required to find it; you (along with Ms. Lukas) are the one making a statement of fact.
Given the source, I am giving no credence to it. The rhetorical devices she uses to intimate, without actually supporting are enough (even without my previous visits to her “Independent Women’s Forum”) to make her suspect. That she is being published in a WSJ Op-Ed is merely icing on the cake.
I understand certain feminist arguments. But when it comes to the wage gap, all I hear it self-righteousness, we want more more more. They aren’t victims. They get everything I do and many of them get more. I don’t want to hear about that.
Dang. That comment I made about NWOslave refusing to use a safety tether was a JOKE.
MRAL isn’t paid more than his co-workers therefore there is no wage inequality and talking about it hurts his fee-fees.
Everyone has to tread on eggshells around MRAL in case, god forbid, he turns into a raging misogynist again. Yipee!
Apparently my patience is AWOL…
NWO: Is there a difference between “home daycare owner” and “stay at home mom” in the world of feminism?
I don’t think feminism has anything to do with it. A home daycare owner is being paid to look after children. Cash money.
A stay at home parent isn’t.
Simple enough even for you, my dear man.
Ullere: ‘Primus: Seriously. I have yet to see you admit to the possibility of personal error/misinterpretation of the facts?’
I am fallable, I have been turned around on a couple of things in the past.
I didn’t say you haven’t. I said that I’ve not seen it.
‘Tertius: The use of ad hominem (saying that hellkell, et alia, aren’t possessed of facts, or argument, nor even actual opinions, but merely engaging in echo chamber responses because “some feminist has been challenged), is doing you no good turn.’
I call em like I seem them,
What you did was ad hominem You dismissed the point, not for it’s substance, but because of who said it, and when.
I’m sorry that you also have covered this before, but until the lies about the wage gap stop
I heartily concrr.
Re: the whole, men work more dangerous jobs thing.
As I pointed out a comment thread or two ago, the overwhelming majority of sweatshop labor carried out worldwide is performed by women. These jobs are dangerous and carry a laundry list of adverse health effects that vary by specific job.
So not only are women working dangerous jobs in vast numbers, but they’re doing them for unjust wages in appalling conditions.
Of course, when MRAs say “women”, they mean “white upper class American women.”
@Molly Ren
“This is why the “men always take more dangerous jobs!” argument never impresses me. It just means the men have been talked into a raw deal.”
I do the job or I starve. I doubt I’ll be laughing that I showed them feminists as I lie in a pool of my own blood. Perhaps you’ve never seen a man lose his arm or finger or fall to his death. No one laughs or brags.
So think about that the next time you buy your shirts, shoes, ipods, computers (just about anything with a circuit board), and all these other things that depend on sweatshop labor. Remember that they were probably made and assembled mostly by women working in shitty and dangerous conditions for very little pay and no benefits.
And anyway, young men are the ones that pay for most things, so I would say that young men must budget even more carefully- of course all young peeps do, but probably it’s harder for men. Then, as older men, sure, they may make more (due to semi-obigatory life choices) but most of them are supporting a family.
Be honest with you, NWO, men and women kind of both get raw deals on the kid front.
Below the (quite high) income level at which full-time childcare is feasible:
Women: “You can be a stay-at-home mom, or you can never have kids.”
Men: “You can support a stay-at-home mom, or you can never have kids.”
These both suck. But the only solutions are affordable childcare (which would probably require SOCIALISM!!!!) or more opportunities for women to get high-paying jobs so they can afford to offer men a chance to be stay-at-home dads.
And hey! If you think being a stay-at-home parent is all cotton candy and ponies, you should be all for increasing women’s wages and work opportunities. That’s how stay-at-home fathering becomes possible.
Where the eff do you *work*? o.o
@JohnnyBB
Can you show me actual numbers of women performing the majority of sweatshop labor? My guess is you’ll find roughly the same amount of women in poor countries doing sweatshop work as men. Just because the MSM only ever prints stories of women doing menial labor doesn’t mean the reverse isn’t also the case.
I feel like I’ve said my piece. All I can do is make other people angry now. I didn’t realize disagreeing with feminists was indicative of “backsliding” or “threatening to be a raging misogynist”… learn a new thing every day.
NWO: You’re Indiana Jones, right? Only possible explanation of the melodrama of your life.
What are these things that men mostly pay for? Do you think I get my groceries and apartment for free?
Poor little MRAL, can’t even get cookies for trolling slightly less than he used to.
“I understand certain feminist arguments.But when it comes to the wage gap, all I hear it self-righteousness,”
And data. And sociologic explanation. Well, that’s what I hear on this thread at least.
“we want more more more.”
Wanting more is necessary a bad thing? You’re against activism as a whole?
“They get everything I do and many of them get more.”
It’s not about you.
“I don’t want to hear about that.”
Then go away. Posting while bitter and/or angry is very obviously not good for you.
MRAL: Don’t be an ass. Please. Disagreeing with us isn’t what means you’re backsliding — ignoring anyone else’s experiences except your own is what’s backsliding. Getting pissed about the fact that women “have everything already, why do they want MORE” is threatening to turn back into a raging misogynist. Well actually, it’s more already starting back down that path.
Fine, if everyone thinks I’m trolling, I’ll bow out. But it feels like I can’t make a single peep out of the Manboobz consensus without someone or other shaking their head over me or accusing me of “backsliding” and “getting ragey”. I don’t think my position here is controversial. I have never been a fan of the wage gap argument.
Please MRAL, you always ‘say your piece’ and then act like a martyr when people call you on your bullshit.
Now that B_dons gone you manage to be the person whose head is stuck furthest up your own backside. Everything seems to be how you feel and how it relates to you, you, you.
Bitterness and anger, MRAL, that’s what we call backsliding.
NWO: any proof that feminists push men towards dangerous jobs, or try to minimize the safety on those jobs? (hint: it’s not feminists who say “doing a dangerous job makes you a real man”)
Molly: What are these jobs where men are always being killed? Unless it’s the millitary, they have shoddy work safety regulations.
No, we don’t. What we have are some pretty dangerous conditions.
Hey, NWO, dearie, I’ve seen women in dairies getting clubbed upside the head. I’ve seen women on film sets get their feet smashed. I’ve seen female soldiers who have scars you don’t want to imagine. I’ve seen mental healthcare workers with bitemark scars and blackened eyes, to go with fractured fingers and toes.
Women are in dangerous work too.
I’ve also been the low-wage partner. Stay at home (when I was doing nothing but missions for the National Guard. Home for six weeks, no pay, and then gone for two weeks, or two months. Net pay about 13,000 a year, housecleaning, dog-walking and cooking the rest of the time). My partner was covering the gaps.
And, when we broke up, she covered some of my ongoing bills until I could afford to pick them up; which is one of the reasons I still have the same phone number I did then.
I am still wondering why it is you’ve got more than one set of clothes… given the words of Jesus on the subject.
I kinda wanna get back to where the hell NWOslave is working. 40 feet up without a tether isn’t a normal working condition, is it?
Remember when he told us he twisted wire without gloves, which cut his hands, and then had to clean the wire with alcohol afterwards?
But will you be laughing “I showed them safety-regulators”?
Anyway, the “dangerous job” thing is moot because personally, I’d love your job. Danger and all. Sounds like you get to spend a lot of time working independently with your hands, don’t have to deal with the public, get to travel, get blocks of time off, and you get paid more than me.
Unfortunately, I’m a woman and might start popping out babies at any time so I’m much less likely to be hired for that job.
@NWO
Per: (Sweat Free) http://www.sweatfree.org/or_faqs
“Women: 85% of sweatshop workers are young women between the ages of 15-25.(3)” The link offers a citation to a pdf file.
I believe that figure might be specific to the garment industry. However, I posted a passage in another thread from the research of Lora Jo Foo published by the Ford Foundation that talks about the makeup of Silicon Valley’s manufacturing employees:
“Fabrication workers, who work in the ‘clean rooms’ and wear the white bubble suits, are primarily Filipina women, who, as a result of the US colonization of the Philippines, have the English language skills to program and operate the computerized machines that make microchips. By contrast, the semi-skilled and unskilled assembly line workers, those who solder wire and transistors onto circuit boards, are non-English speaking Vietnamese, Korean and Chinese women. Seventy percent of the approximately 50,000 to 70,000 assembly line workers are Asian and Latina women who do not get health benefits. In the subcontracting shops, the percentage is higher – 75% to 100% of the assembly labor force is Asian and Latina women.””
These are a few examples. But any study on the demographics of sweatshop labor will point out that women carry out the majority of the labor.
*still using his bare, cut-up hands?
MRAL: It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. It’s also they ways in which you respond to evidence.
The Foo research is available on google books in a book called “Asian American Women.”
Well, NWO, I want to say that in my anarchist thingy, the problem is that the definition between work and home has been unnaturally divided by state and corporate interests, and while there would probably still be wage labor, I think the “natural” way both men and women balance home and family is by making their homes the center of productive, creative, (and dull) work, and being able to support themselves, even if they WANT to go and work for others.
Especially from the industrial revolution on, productive family farms and businesses were destroyed, and both men and women who naturally lived their lives with work and their children were made into useful labor for the bosses. And so now, in the “real world” we all have to go out and work and make sacrifices, and you should be lucky to stay at home, cause home is shangri-la! But a man and a woman (or a woman and woman or a man and a man or whatever your family is – I’m as family centered as a good paleo-con, but with a broad definition of family) should by definition not have to leave the home in order to “support it.” If we have to scrape for wages to live, if ANY of us have to decide between work, home, and family, it may be “the real world” but it didn’t fucking grow there. It was done to us…
but first I have to hear from you that you actually admit I’m an anarchist. XD XD XD XD
MRAL: Maybe you should start to think about the way you say things. “all they want is more more more” IS getting ragey. You get angry quickly, you rile yourself up by imagining sneering women/women complaining and getting all self-righteous over NOTHING, NOTHING I SAY! HOW DARE THEY, MY LIFE IS SHIT TOOOOO. Do you honestly not see how that grates on people’s nerves?
All we have is anecdotes. The studies are incomplete and frankly, if you want to get right down to it, they side with me, not you guys. Controlling for variables, wage is similar across genders.
MRAL, do you think women get free sandwiches if they cry?
I was going to say that I personally have been unemployed and underemployed for nearly three years now, so obviously women have it worse, but NEW RULE! From now on Mr. Al is the biggest self-righteous victim. In fact, he’s not only the biggest self-righteous victim — he’s the only one. Happy now, Mr. Al?
MRAL, that’s you’re first comment here: “This BullShit, dishonest debating, as well as and the BullShit implications, really grate on my last nerve.” You’re first comment mentioned you are angry and emotional on this subject.
And your job is nothing more than an anecdote. Contrary to studies, which are by definition not anecdotes.
As always, no one is better able to rhapsodize on the joys of childcare than a man with no children.
MRAL, why are you still here? You say you had a turn around, or something, and you were lashing out, so now you’re supposed to stay here and lash out and be a dick and half, and we should understand, just because you said you were sad and angry? Or something?
Fuck you, dipshit. Everybody here gave you way more fucking sympathy, understanding, and kindness than you EVER did anything to deserve, and here you go stamping your feet at how unfair it all is and how they just can’t see your point of view and how you suffer too and all of this is bullshit and fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
YOU. ARE. A. BROWN. STAIN. ON. HUMANITY’S. SHORTS.
MRAL: Do explain just how these studies are incomplete and back you up?
MRAL: All we have is anecdotes. The studies are incomplete and frankly, if you want to get right down to it, they side with me, not you guys. Controlling for variables, wage is similar across genders.
Really… did you read the GAO report I was talking about above? I used blockquotes and everything to make it easier.
Huh. I didn’t know community colleges were awarding medical degrees. Learn something new every day.
In fact, if you do your pre-med gen eds at CC, it’s gonna be a big, uphill battle to get into medical school.
Doctors have an age-old saying: “At graduation, what do we call the man who’s graduated last in his class?”
The answer is: “Doctor.”
Physician pay is determined more by the specialty than anything else – prestige of your med school is pretty irrelevant, as doctors are in short supply, and some hospitals have a bias AGAINST hiring from the Ivies, citing their grads as “arrogant” and “not well-rounded.” The Ivies aren’t always the best at producing top-tier doctors, anyway, depending on the specialty. My cousin is a pediatric surgeon. Despite being 20 years younger, she out-earns my dad (university research physician and med school professor) and my mom (nursing home GP, focus on geriatrics) quite handily. My mother works more hours than my dad – way more – but is not compensated accordingly, because geriatrics is more or less just a sub-specialty of general practice, and is not valued.
Medical schools artificially limit the supply of future doctors with ultra-strict applications – hence, the doctor shortage. And since American medicine is, like most other professions, a delightful marriage of crony government and crony capitalism, general practice physicians, despite being in woefully short supply, don’t get compensated all that much. Most people these days – male and female – are going into high-paying specialties, because they’re rational actors following the money, plain and simple. Today’s residency is a cakewalk compared to the residencies my parents endured in the late 70s, but you’re still looking at 80 hours a week on average, with very little sleep between shifts. Most people don’t put in all that work only to be compensated just around the 100K mark.
What does this have to do with feminism or women in the workplace? Nothing and everything. The wage gap in medicine is nearly gone, and women make up around half of medical school graduating classes. When you leave out the doctors who work part-time, the payscales are pretty even.
My field, tech, does NOT have this wage parity. But there’s a reason for that: http://www.stanford.edu/group/gender/cgi-bin/wordpressblog/2011/06/researcher-reveals-how-computer-geeks-replaced-computer-girls/.
Serious advice, MRAL: If you want to put your trolling days behind you, find a different community.
A community that doesn’t know your history (hard for us to put the times you’ve personally insulted each of us, even if it was “just trolling,” behind us) and that doesn’t debate frequently about heated emotional subjects.
This is a place for people who are actively anti-misogynist, not for people who are sorta kinda trying not to be misogynist all the time. This is not a good space for socialization if you are not actively anti-misogynist.
If you want to be a member of an online community, go join a swimmer’s board, a Boston board, a math student (if that’s your major? you get the idea) board, anything. Don’t try to make us into your buddies because it’s too late for that.
You need a CHANGE. OF VENUE. Seriously.
I love you, zhinxy. You light up my life, and are the wind beneath my wings.
MRAL, read that again and again until it sinks in.
Basically MRAL seems to believe that the terrible tragedy of his being a 19 year old male virgin who works shitty jobs like most other 19 year olds justifies any and all lashing out at women that he feels compelled to do. We should all understand how hard he has it, much harder than any woman, and thus allow him his tantrums.
MRAL: And before you get pissed at zhinxy and anyone else who has lost patience with you, please actually try to empathize. I’m asking you seriously — please really try. Remember that we are all real people here — how would you feel, having extending sympathy and trust in someone to make the effort to change, only to have them so obviously not be trying at all? And then to see them demand your sympathy anyway? It fucking sucks. It is understandable that many people have lost faith/trust/sympathy for you.
MRAL, we’re having a discussion about the complexities of variables that lead to a wage gap between men and women, and all you are doing is saying that you’re life is so hard and you have to work at Starbucks as if anything we were saying had anything to do with you at all.
It didn’t.
If anyone is playing the victim here it is you and none of us want to hear it. I’m a student working a shit job too; you’re not a super special snowflake when it comes to working hard for low pay and going to school, okay? Screaming about women have EVERYTHING and just want MORE is tanking your credibility (what little you have earned, and you’re already working at a deficit) and making you look like a tool.
Stop it. Just stop.
The way he automatically rules out *asking,* it’s so precious and MRA.
She might be a hidden feminist, but we speak the same language, how could I possibly find out?
Ullere, no, the State cannot force private companies to do anything, but the “private company” that isn’t a smaller family and/or personal business, is largely a creature of PR. A large corporation typically receives so much federal funding, corporate welfare, even eminent domain deals, that it’s really hard to say that they’re private by any definition that doesn’t cover the Post Office too. Actually, probably less private than the post office – Do you know they’re not tax-funded? Also, the Post Office is not legally a person.
If they’re going to largely be a wing of the government, providing us the all important jobs, then yeah, they’d better give them out equally, even by lot, since we’re being driven out of the “create our own business” alternative pretty damn fast, and we do need to eat.
Why AM I STILL TALKING TO YOU HOLY SHIT ABORT ABORT YOU ARE A MORON AND YOU ARE NOT ENGAGING IN GOOD FAITH THIS IS A ZHINXY TRAP CHEW OFF YOUR OWN FOOT ZHINXY ESCAPE ESCAPE
But shaenon, cleaning the poop on a toddler is so rewarding! And so is running after a kid to stop him to injure himself, or to destroy everything they can. And if there is more than one at a time, it’s just magical!
Don’t get me wrong, NWO, I love children, even though I still haven’t deciding whether or not I want to raise some myself. But I also spend my Christmas evening running after kids. One in particular spent his evening launching marbles everywhere, walking (on purpose and repeatedly) fruits on the ground and destroying decorations. The rest of the time I mostly tried to stop them from destroying each others’ construction, making the place to messy, hurting themselves or others (some times on purpose, some times not) and keeping them busy, which is not easy because some of them had the attention spawn of a fly, others couldn’t speak two words without yelling and some were too young to understand the rules of the games.
And you know what? That was a good evening! Because I do like children and because putting a lot of energy on it is way easier when you only have to do it from time to time.
When I was in college, I worked retail and made $5 an hour, which, I assure you, didn’t go very far. Everyone goes through this stage. It’s called “being in your late teens and early 20s.” Youth passes quickly. Stupid is forever.
Whoops, my privilege is showing. Not everyone goes through this stage. Some people cannot go to college, either because they don’t have the aptitude, or – more commonly these days – they can’t afford it. Many people stay around the minimum wage mark for years, with no hope of being lifted out by higher education. Education is a privilege.
That comment about young men paying for most things was especially telling, by the way, MRAL. The only reason someone would believe that to be true is if they only think of women in relation to dating. Men do often pay for dates, particularly in the sort of feminist-unfriendly circles that you seem to run in, so if you don’t quite grasp the concept that women still exist and have lives when they’re not interacting with men in a sexual or romantic way, your comment would almost make sense. But if you actually do grasp the fact that women are people with lives of their own, it’s completely ridiculous.
AMR:
For those who don’t speak French:
“Time changes nothing,
When you’re stupid, you are stupid
Whether you’re 20 or a grand father
When you’re stupid, you are stupid!”
The thing about MRAL’s comments that shows me he isn’t paying attention is that 1: He is complaining that there is no wage gap.
Fine. At his level of work this is probably true enough (since Starbucks, like most retail businesses, is hiring primarily part time, and has a fairly enlightened policy on benefits).
But his real complaint is that “there is no wage gap,so people who say there is are doing it…” because of something he can’t articulate.
Those who argue there is a wage gap are demanding things which can only help all workers; the most simple being not keeping wages secret. The second being that people doing the same work, get the same pay. Unless he thinks this is a demand to decrease mens’ salaries, to match the depressed salaries of women (which would be admitting a wage gap), there is no harm in it.
Other than the inability of workers to get the wages paid by employers into the public sphere.
Maybe I should find another community. It’s just that I’ve invested so much time in this one, it seems difficult to just give it up. And yet despite the huge amount of time I’ve spent here, everyone is perpetually hostile.
“That comment about young men paying for most things was especially telling, by the way, MRAL. The only reason someone would believe that to be true is if they only think of women in relation to dating.”
Oh right, that’s what he meant? I skipped this one because I didn’t understand what he meant.
The solution? Date feminists!
An awesome 4 minute privelege acknowledment from Anti-Moron’s Rights. Yet some people, yea, possibly many people reading here, crazy as that sounds, would rather die than do it over a period of hours, days, months, years. It’s so easy and fun and it’s not making anybody win points on you!
Well, you have to subtract the amount of time you spent calling us ALPHA FUCK BITCHES and talking about violently assaulting women and such.
And then you’ve actually spent negative time here and would be much better starting at zero.
“everyone is perpetually hostile.”
Gosh dangit, I just can’t think why!
As I said, that was trolling.
Maybe I should find another community. It’s just that I’ve invested so much time in this one, it seems difficult to just give it up. And yet despite the huge amount of time I’ve spent here, everyone is perpetually hostile.”
You just had to throw that last bit in, didn’t you.
Ah jee. People who have listened to you, and given you advice, and maintained you were young and worth saving, in the face of truly vile, petty shit, are still “perpetually hostile” to you, even when you’ve CHANGED, just because you lash out like a bitter, nasty angry little viper, BUT YOU ADMIT YOU’RE ANGRY! YOU HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS!
You SAW THE LIGHT, you just you know, have these dark spells occasionally, WHY IS EVERYBODY HOSTILE TO YOU just because you’re BEING A COMPLETE ASS!
Fuck you. Seriously.
MRAL, if you want folks to be less hostile, stop insulting both them and women as a group, and apologize if you do so.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Be honest with you, NWO, men and women kind of both get raw deals on the kid front.”
Exactly, Holly. Thank you.
There was no reason to follow up that admission with stay-at-home parent is all cotton candy and ponies and wanting to increase womens wages/opportunities.
Child care doesn’t help. It is socialism. In order to have childcare as part of a package, that money is taken from the workers. It is also extra money to run whatever agency is needed, insurance ect.
Here’s how the numbers work out.
100 employees.
Each pays an extra $80.00 a month to pay for all these expenses. 80 x 100 = $8000.00 per month. $8000.00 x 12 months = $96,000.00 per year.
4 women per year use this for six months, each woman got paid her wage for 6 months. We’ll say they made 40k a year which equal 80K a year.
The company now hires a temp for 3/4s of the womans wage for that time = 60K.
The human resource job was created for dealing with pregnancies and temp hiring and all associated paperwork who gets paid 40K a year.
The total cost is 40 + 60 + 80 + 96 = 276K per year.
That money will not be paid by the employer. The company must profit or perish. Each employee must therefore pay for said services which = $2,760.00 per year per employee. Times that by 100 million people working = 276 billion dollars a year.
That 276 billion dollars would’ve been poured into the economy feuling, sustaining and creating jobs.
Socialism doesn’t work.
MRAL, no we’re are not automatically hostile. You brought hostility; “This BullShit, dishonest debating”, you brought anger and bitterness, you’ve derailed the thread by making this about you when it’s clearly not. And you’ve received fair, though sometimes angered, reactions. And don’t think people telling you to go breathe (which is something people here often tell you) is the same as a fuck-off.
And yet despite the huge amount of time I’ve spent here, everyone is perpetually hostile.
Is this a joke?
I’m sure that isn’t the only reason companies have HR people, NWO. :P
It was real words that you really said.
I don’t think that this exempts you from ever having friends or whatever, but it exempts you from having friends here. We aren’t able to just forget all that.
Instead of demanding our forgiveness and forgetness, just go somewhere that hasn’t seen you troll and start over for real, with people who don’t know you ever were a troll.
Also don’t make it a community that has a lot of heated political debates that you’re frequently on the minority side of. That’s not how you make friends.
As I said, that was trolling.
That doesn’t make it okay, dumbshit.
“Socialism doesn’t work.”
What is socialism? What is capitalism? What is a free market? What is a mixed economy?
But no, fuck that, that’s the advanced class.
You still haven’t answered me and Ami. XD XD XD XD XD
^ What Dracula said.
Really? Really MRAL? How much of that “Huge amount of time” was spent being a vile, nasty, hate little shit? And you’re shocked — SHOCKED — that after saying all of those terrible things, after being so disgustingly hateful for so long for the lulz that people suddenly aren’t eating out of the palm of your hand the moment you say you’ve “changed”?
Even after that “change” you still leak bitterness at women everywhere. It comes out when you slip and call women “entitled alpha bitches. It comes out when you throw a temper tantrum when ever anyone suggests that women, as a whole may have kind of a raw deal compared to men in a few areas. And you’re really surprised that the people here take exception to that? Really?