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How to spot a feminist

Some feminists can be converted!

Over on Reddit, DoktorTeufel has a problem: he likes the ladies, but he doesn’t like the feminists. Unfortunately, some ladies are also feminists! And therein lies the danger. Naturally, he turns to the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit for help.

I’m just going to come out and say it: I will never knowingly enter into a romantic relationship with a feminist. I do have some female relatives and acquaintances who are feminists … and it’s not like they all wear signs that proclaim I’M A FEMINIST. (Some do.)

Aside from obvious telltales (feminist bumper stickers, etc.) or outright asking them “Are you a feminist?”, what are some discreet ways to ferret out a woman’s views on gender activism without creating an awkward situation? Feminism is a minefield topic, and I certainly wouldn’t broach the subject directly with a woman I’ve just started dating.

Naturally, this being the Men’s Rights subreddit, he received much helpful advice. Celda broke it down for him:

You don’t really care whether she identifies as a feminist or not – you care what her views are.

For instance, does she feel women have the right to force men into parental obligations against their will?

Does she feel women are oppressed in Western society?

Does she think that women make less money than men for the same work?

If yes to these questions or similar, then you probably want to avoid her.

Exactly. Always avoid those with a basic grasp on reality. They’re the worst!

Naive1000 suggested looking for more subtle clues.

Ask their thoughts on “benevolent sexism” if they know what your talking about you likely have a feminist. Just to make sure go into male privilege, it’s the feminists’ most popular talking point. Let her talk about it then you can see what she’s really like. But, there are some women who call themselves feminists, but are really egalitarian: they just don’t know the term.

Memymineown also suggests a subtle approach, and holds out hope that some of the younger feminist girls can be won back to the path of righteousness:

Bring Men’s Rights issues into the conversation subtly. I was talking with my family about Justin Beiber and brought up the paternity charge and no rape charges filed against the woman.

That led into a discussion about how women aren’t punished for rape.

Just do things like that.

But you shouldn’t exclude all feminists. I would say that the vast majority are just girls(I do use that word on purpose) who have been lied to. Once you show them the real facts they will probably come around.

ThePigman, by contrast, urges DoktorTeufel to  go for the jugular:

Why do you need to be discrete about it? Just ask her. If she is a member of the cult she will start screaming about the patriarchy, then her head will explode.

It’s true. Pretty much every conversation involving feminists quickly devolves into screaming about patriarchy. Heck, a feminist friend and I once screamed about patriarchy for five hours straight. We probably could have gone longer, but the manager at Applebee’s, evidently not a feminist, threw us out. Sometimes I start screaming about patriarchy when no one else is around, just to keep in practice.

Conversations with feminists pretty much all go like the conversation in the video below, only instead of a cat you need to picture a feminist, and instead of the word “no,” the word “patriarchy.” You can see how annoying that might get, and not just to Hitler.

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zhinxy
8 years ago

Ullere, your simplistic bullshit? Does it fulfill you, deep inside? Why do you come here?

Ullere
Ullere
8 years ago

‘Care to justify your claims that the studies show that they have controlled for those differences and they negate the wage gap’
sure.
‘I don’t like the methodology or the conclusions shown’
Well ok…

What about the last academic article that shows that the wage gap has been reversed. You ask about a difference that doesn’t matter, is 2% close enough?

I have justified my claims that the studies show a reduction or reversal of the wage gap when other factors are controlled.

‘They admit to a raw wage gap larger than that feminists argue exists,’
in 1970.

zhinxy
8 years ago

Here. This place. Why do you keep coming to it?

Pecunium
8 years ago

Ullere: What about the part where I say the controlling factors are, as with the second study, a case of the authors dismissing the actual factors with a bit of handwavium. When you “norm” things which aren’t equal, you can get any result you want.

They admit to a larger gap than feminists argue, Today. Modern feminism (with a different set of norming factors) tend to say the real wage gap is between 12-18 percent. The second study says it’s north of 21 percent.

It’s not that I the results don’t agree with what I’ve seen elsewhere, it’s that the methodolgy is faulty. If I’m allowed to say, “If I discount the problems women have in getting tenure track positions at universities I see that all tenured faculty have the same pay scale”, I’m bullshitting the actual facts.

Which is what those studies are doing.

Which is, in it’s way, worse than what the WSJ did when it accepted that facile, and fatuous, Op-Ed you started with.

Pecunium
8 years ago

Shorter version: You didn’t justify shit.

Anti-Moron's-Rights
Anti-Moron's-Rights
8 years ago

MRAs idealize the suburban life of the 1950s and believe that everybody was part of it. And at the same time, they know that none of them are part of the upper class and can afford to have a stay-at-home wife – that’s one of the reason many choose to be alone and become part of the MGTOW or become PUA. Basically they want a stay-at-home wife but they don’t want to pay anything for her.

Ha! I knew there was some delusional fantasy at play.

Well, I just got done visiting my other message board where some MRAs who either don’t know they are MRAs or who don’t call themselves that hang out. One, who wants the government completely abolished, and blames women in the labor force for the reason why he can’t have a docile, Betty Draper pet of his very own, is totally butthurt tonight because yet another woman doesn’t want to date him. The dude is around 30 and has never sustained a relationship with a woman in his life for longer than two months.

During this latest dating fiasco, he called the woman a derogatory slur commonly used to keep “uppity” women in their place. She told him she was hurt and wanted to date him no further. He went into a snit right there on the message board, claiming he didn’t say it, and even if he did, she was oversensitive anyway (but he still wanted to date her, and if he couldn’t, then maybe they could still be friends, because he is such a Nice Guy®).

She refuses to take his calls. He has no idea why. And he will probably repeat this cycle for many years to come if he doesn’t take a long, hard look at himself. Why, maybe he’ll show up here and debate us all!

Other salient points:

• He only dates the type of women who expect $100-dollar/plate dinners on the first date, then complains that they can’t afford to pay the bill in full. If the woman doesn’t want such a dinner, he takes her to it anyway, then insists she owes him sex in return. He also wants women to feign interest in paying the tab, but does not want them to ACTUALLY pay, and any deviation from this script he has only in his own mind sets him into a rage.

• He parrots Ron Paul talking points at every turn, while simultaneously whining that the federal government is too small, because it won’t pay to treat soldiers with PTSD.

• He claims that marriage is a “trap” for all men because once, he knew this one guy who had to pay alimony to his wife that one time. But he thinks he’s different, so he wants his Betty Draper pet.

• He thinks that any time a man pays a woman child support or alimony, she is required to submit to forced penetrative sex in return, whenever the man feels like it, because if she gets his money, he owns her genitals. He does not believe this reasoning should stand if the genders are reversed.

• He says that jobs nowadays require too many hours, and that’s why he can’t have kids. Does he blame the corporation that’s turned him into a slave? Nah. Does he blame the government? Not in this case. It’s the fault of women in the workforce, who don’t have the decency to forgo college educations to raise his children!

• He enjoys accusing other people of displaying an “entitlement mentality” every chance he gets, but doesn’t see the irony in thinking he deserves a docile pet woman who answers his every whim, simply because he has a job and bathes every day.

• Male humans are “men,” and female humans are “girls.” Similarly, men are always logical and straightforward, women are blathering emotional idiots.

• He believes PUA is an excellent replacement for treating alcoholism, depression, or unemployment, and imbues all of its followers with the highest of self-esteem and confidence with women. Yet despite this, he has never actually been successful with a woman.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Ullere

women being punished career-wise for motherhood: http://www.jstor.org/pss/10.1086/511799

Customers biased against non-whites and women: http://khufu.openlib.org/~tchecndg/archive/2007/att-0755/DiscriminationHekman.pdf

See the part where an architect admits to paying women less: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113939266

I’ve also been reading about how women not negotiating is affecting their income too. Yes, it’s their fault, but women are also discouraged from acting aggressively , disagreeable and are viewed negatively (what a bitch!) Men are not. It actually benifits them when they do.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080807112605.htm
http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/25367/

“We studied four large data sets,” he says. “And in all four we found there is a penalty for being agreeable in the workplace. But, while men earn a premium for being disagreeable, women don’t.”

It’s the stereotypical double standard according to Judge.

“If you’re a disagreeable man, you’re considered a tough negotiator,” he says. “But, the perception is that if a woman is agreeable, she gets taken advantage of, and if she is disagreeable, she’s considered a control freak or ‘the B-word.’

Aggressiveness and being assertive is considered important to succeed in the work force. Women are socialized to not be these thing. It’s changing, but it’s not enough. People see an outspoken and assertive woman and think “what a bitch, who do they think she is?” she is punished for having the very traits needed to get ahead.

Are some parts of the wage gap due to women’s choices? yes. Does discrimination still exist and also cause for this? also yes.

One of the biggest problem in my opinion though is how female dominated industries pay less than mens. How is nursing, childcare, caring for the elderly or disabled not considered important? even minimum wage should be brought up for retail because without people running service jobs, everyone would be fucked. And on top of that how is it fair to punish mothers or even women who they assume will be mothers for taking time off to care for children? of course men work more hours, they’re not usually the ones staying home with the kids. More and more women like me are realizing we are going to be punished for motherhood, so we opt out of it all together (it also helps to not like children). I can’t wait to hear the hysteria coming from the traditionalist types and even the rest of society when they see that more women will opt out of childhood because that’s the reality women have to face.

Also the men work dangerous jobs argument is getting tiresome. Most men do not work life- threatening and dangerous jobs and many non-threatening dangerous jobs pay just as well.

zhinxy
8 years ago

Ullere, dost thou fear Death? Dost thou feel his icy breath upon the back of thy neck? His bony talons curling round thy wrist? Dost thou believe that by finding a troupe of revelers, engaged in the mocking of misogyny, and upon discovery turning them from thence unto dry, endless, boring, repetitive, stupid arguments upon the nature of Ye Olde Wage Gap and the Action that Affirms, around and around, and thence again around, you can slow down the very ticking of time? You can stave off the Reaper and the price we all must pay?

TIS FOLLY, ULLERE, FOLLY! AND AT LEAST THE MOCKERS KNOW THAT WE DO JAPE!

THE BELL TOLLS FOR YOU!

SO DOTH THE CLUE PHONE!

GET THEE FROM HERE! THE MOVING FINGER WRITES AND HAVING WRIT, AND ALL YOUR LACK OF HUMOR AND OF WIT, SHALL NOT WASH OUT A WORD OF IT. WE HEARD YOU, FOR FUCKS SAKE.

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

*breeds some internets and gives Zhinxy one*

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

All hail zhinxy as Terry Pratchett’s Death.

I just want to know where she’s hidden Binky.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Also-

Women need a PHD to earn as much as men with a BA

Yeah yeah, it’s from Feministing, but they aren’t discussing a study done by feminists, so don’t worry its safe *eyeroll*

http://feministing.com/2011/08/09/women-need-a-phd-to-earn-as-much-as-men-with-a-ba/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

it also says:

The report also rebuts the tired argument that the wage gap is all because women work less, since they’ve got those frivolous distractions of having babies and raising kids:

“Women earn less at all degree levels, even when they work as much as men. On average, women who work full-time, full-year earn 25 percent less than men, even at similar education levels.”

The study also found:

At all levels of educational attainment, African Americans and Latinos earn less than Whites. For example, African Americans and Latinos with Master’s degrees have lifetime earnings lower than Whites with Bachelor’s degrees.

Lemme guess…they just choooooose to get paid less!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

The funny thing is that even now it’s quite possible to find a wife who’s willing to play the Betty Draper role…but she’s going to expect a husband like Don. If you want a woman like that in your life, you can have one, but she’s going to have expectations too, and if you can’t or won’t fullfill them she’s not going to be willing to stick around.

These guys want all the parts of the old 50s deal that were fun for men without any of the obligations or responsibilities, which is why they can’t ever get what they want.

Kavette
Kavette
8 years ago

MBA

Sorry but that really is a liberal arts degree by a different name, I would never say any higher education is a bad thing but a mba has as much clout in the real world as any liberal arts.

Tell me you have a degree in micro and macro economics if your a business major, if not I’d rather employ someone with a degree in history.

Amused
8 years ago

Lemme guess…they just choooooose to get paid less!

Of course they do! Can’t they just boycott food and shelter?

Kavette
Kavette
8 years ago

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Gray-Flannel-Suit/dp/1568582463

This should be required reading for every mra.

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

MUSIC THEORY! OMG! THIS IS AN UNEXPLORED REALM OF POTENTIAL RICHES!

How do we best tap this new vein?

I know I’m finding this hours after the fact, but please oh please oh please, someone make this happen somehow. It would make me so, so delightfully happy to see NWO attempt to explain how, say, Mixolydian is an evil feminist/communist/Jewish plot.

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

The funny thing is that even now it’s quite possible to find a wife who’s willing to play the Betty Draper role…but she’s going to expect a husband like Don. If you want a woman like that in your life, you can have one, but she’s going to have expectations too, and if you can’t or won’t fullfill them she’s not going to be willing to stick around.

Yeah, this. “He brings home the bacon while she raises the kids and keeps the house” is not a deal everyone wants, but it’s a deal.

“She raises the kids and keeps the house, and he doesn’t give her a cent beyond room and board (maybe some clothes if she’s good, but don’t go having a party with HIS MONEY), and he can ditch her at any time and owe her nothing”–that’s the deal the MRAs want.

And I think that would gross out even Don Draper.

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

Stop shaming men with your high expectations. It’s unfair to their beta and omega male genetics.

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

Yeah, this. “He brings home the bacon while she raises the kids and keeps the house” is not a deal everyone wants, but it’s a deal.

“She raises the kids and keeps the house, and he doesn’t give her a cent beyond room and board (maybe some clothes if she’s good, but don’t go having a party with HIS MONEY), and he can ditch her at any time and owe her nothing”–that’s the deal the MRAs want.

yeah exactly -_- it’s not a 2 way street to them, all of their expectations on women are fair, but if those women have expectations for them (which is not saying I’d AGREE with them, but as you say if that’s the deal they want, then they have to accept the other side too) that’s UNFAIR….

I guess to NWO and his ilk, women should never expect nething from men, we should be happy that men even keep us alive xD

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

zhinxy | January 5, 2012 at 9:36 pm

If you show interest, she’ll start doing the tampon buying shit test,at worse, or just decide you are maybe not a completely aloof super alpha, at best? Best to covertly use app?

I have a question, and this has to do with the big MRA reaction to period sex. And it has nothing to do with whether I think ppl should be okay with it or not, or if they’re misogynists if they dont’, etc etc etc… (I dun feel I can speak on this, or have any experience to xD ) but almost all (if not all) of the MRAs were like EWWWWW NEVER!

But wouldn’t a really alpha thing to do be to not care? If you’re aloof to period sex, that should make you the ultimate alpha in that context. xD

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

after all, wouldn’t shunning period sex just be a neg, and therefore she’ll beg you for MORE period sex? xD

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

Applying game theory to everything is fun 😀

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

The Chris Paul deal in the NBA through game theory:

David Stern is the player, The New Orleans Hornets are his… um… penis… The LA Clippers are the hot girl he wants, the LA Lakers are the fat girl he doesn’t want, and Lamar Odom is the guy with them,,,

He used the Lakers to get the Clippers in bed with the Hornets, and left Odom and the Lakers stuck together awkwardly

Now THAT’S game. xD

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I have to wonder how old these guys are, and if any of them ever speak to their older female relatives. Women who were willing to sign up for the traditional deal without expecting anything in return NEVER existed. The deal always came with strings for both parties. The strings for the man were less constricting, for sure, but it was never “she is disposable and worthless and she knows it”, which is what these dudes wank to the idea of.

chocomintlipwax
8 years ago

I don’t even know where this comment thread is now. I was reading here at home and then had to go to work. It was at 130 or something, then I tried to catch up and it was 160ish, then 230ish … I couldn’t catch up, and then I left. I read a bit at work during my break and it was–shit you not–at 666 comments.

Times like this I wish the blogspot format would let me start at the beginning rather than the last 70 comments or so. It’s so hard to keep backing up and figuring out where I left off …

Sorka
Sorka
8 years ago

@no more mr nice guy

After the illuminating discussion about tracking menstrual cycles, CH is now discussing “Glee”.

LOL at at a message-board full of middle-aged men trying to decide what 20-year-olds are into today.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/an-updated-cold-read/

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

Anyway, the real question is: is Don a alpha, and if so how is it possible he lost his wife?

Anti-Moron's-Rights
Anti-Moron's-Rights
8 years ago

I was reading some blogs just now (damn insomnia), and I realized that there are lots of fundamentalist Christian women who are encouraging each other to “submit to sex” (P-in-V intercourse in their definition – but not mine) whether they physically, mentally, and emotionally want to or not. Apparently, these women are convinced that the healthiest type of sex life in a marriage is one in which they are regularly penetrated without arousal or lubrication – in other words, they become living Real Dolls® for their husbands. Many quote passages from the Bible where they are instructed to submit themselves to their husbands.

Why don’t the MRAs just date women like these? They all seem to subscribe to 50s views of division of labor inside and outside the home, too. It would appear to be a natural fit.

Anti-Moron's-Rights
Anti-Moron's-Rights
8 years ago

And hey, you know, maybe for these women, dry sex is the way to go for a healthy relationship! Maybe they like kink, and this is the only Biblically acceptable way to get it. I won’t be begrudging them that right. It’s just irritating how so many of them can’t shut up about how they want to deny me my right, likewise to define sex as oral and manual activities, as well as enjoy BDSM, taking female partners outside the relationship, etc.

The only time people get upset about what other people do with their free time is when they’re not actually enjoying theirs. I genuinely doubt I would be spending this much time posting online myself if I were fully employed and the job market wasn’t suffering from the post-holidays slump. If they don’t want jobs, though, there’s always commenting on blogs…or Glee…or Cosmo!

On that note, I’ve always wondered what it’d be like to work at Cosmo. If I worked there, I would definitely develop a new way of writing the “37843893874 sex tips that get him hot tonight!”-type articles. I would ride the MTA all around Manhattan and talk to the most interesting-looking people I could find, especially the buskers, hobos, and poets, and ask for their personal sexual philosophies. With a little editing (or, well, a lot), the well of sex tips could indeed be endless. Maybe that’s how they get those years and years of sex tips in the first place, ’cause putting a scrunchie on a man’s cock definitely didn’t come from a regular old college guy. That’s straight up, Red Hook, Brooklyn trust-fund, ukelele-playing subway busker.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

I used to watch Gilmore Girls in highschool lol

Seeing a bunch of guys on blogs constantly try so hard to find new ways of scoring, over-analyzing every tiny thing women do, while simultaneously talking about how inferior women are is so laughably pathetic it almost makes me a but schadenfreude.

And forcing yourself to watch a TV show like GLEE just so you can come up with a new opener doesn’t sound too “Alpha” to me.

And browsing the comments on that post, one dude linked to the blog called hbdchick (human bio-diversity, a fancy way of saying racist) who links to our friends In Mala fide, Roissy as well as a tumblr promoting eugenics. Such lovely, pleasant people! /sarcasm

Caraz
Caraz
8 years ago

Surely a better way to connect with women is to not be a racist, sexist, homophobe? The amount of guys on that blog that seem to think watching Glee makes you gay is a little amusing.

Bee
Bee
8 years ago

a report in 2003, which is a little dated but I assume you don’t believe the wage gap is a new thing. men with children earn 2.5% more than childless men, however this doesn’t control for the age difference between men with and without children, as older men are more likely to have children and also earn more.

Ullere, okay, I still haven’t found the study I read originally that said men with children make 10-15% more than men without children, but in looking for it, I’ve discovered (1) it’s called the marriage premium, and (2) it exists when comparing similar age groups (i.e., over 45 married versus under 45-year-old singles).

An article that pinpoints the wage difference as 11%.

A study of twins that finds that marriage increases men’s salaries by as much as 27%.

There are a lot more articles online on the marriage premium, but this comment will get stuck in moderation if I link to them. I’ll leave them for your own research if you’re interested.

I realize that these links talk about married men versus single men, and not fathers versus childless men (as in my original statement). The original article I read posited that the wage difference might be due to one group having a stay-at-home mom to act as their personal assistant. I think that theory still holds in the married/not-married studies; living with someone whose interests are aligned with your own, who cleans up after you, does your laundry, makes sure you’re fed, helps you entertain, and generally makes your life easier would absolutely help one’s career, even aside from the commonly held idea that a family man needs a bigger paycheck.

zhinxy
8 years ago

Actually, despite the hilarity of the gilmore girls stuff, just this one golden unironic line from Roissy’s post –

“Also, you’d be surprised how many 30-something women are into these shows as well. Never-ending adolescence has infected both sexes.”

You tell ’em bout that never-ending adolescence, Roissy!

…But don’t worry, it’s worse in chicks, guys.

In fact, I’d argue women have assumed the mantle of perpetual adolescence in far greater numbers and with greater intensity than have men. You just have to use the correct — read: the un-PC — metrics to uncover that.


Also, the Glee Cold Reading may be one of the saddest things I have ever heard in my entire life.

This is so alpha and not desperate?

Or sad?

Or…

Sad. So. Sad.

zhinxy
8 years ago

I just. Here. Let me repeat the Glee Cold Reading, here…

. So I’ve updated the cold read formula for 2012, and I call it The Glee Read. It’s the same formula as the SATC read, only with new characters replacing the old, jaded, sinewy Samantha, Carrie, Charlotte and that lesbian.

YOU: (Smiling) “You guys are awesome you’re just like the girls from Glee.”

GIRLS: “Oh I love that show…”

YOU: “You’re definitely Rachel because you’re strong but you have a heart. People misunderstand you.” (This is good to use on the shy girl of the group.)

YOU: “You’re Quinn, the queen bee!” (Use on the most outgoing chick.)

YOU: “And you’re Mercedes. You want to be a diva, but you’re too nice to pull it off.” (This is actually a great neg to use on a hot white chick, because the Mercedes character is a fat black girl. The character “Santana” would also work as a neg.)

YOU: “And you…” Shake your head disapprovingly at your target. “You are Sue Sylvester.”

You don’t have to use the exact formula I’ve written above. Just know a little bit about the main characters and suit to taste.

Oh god. Oh sweet merciful…

That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever read.

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

And it won’t work. xD Tho now I want him to do cold readings of ALL fandoms! xD

Roissy is like Stan Lee, he made a big splash with his audience once upon a time and now he’s desperately trying to stay relevant. xD

This is as sad as the Guardian Project. xD

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

The idea that you can flirt with a 25 to 30 yo woman by comparing her to a clueless teenager is half laughable and half creepy.

Ami Angelwings
8 years ago

sorka, oh my fucking god, he’s also trying to convince his readers that all the hot 20 year olds are into … Gilmore Girls.

Um… Roissy… all the hot 20 year old girls that were into Gilmore Girls… are now hot 30 year old girls…

I think this is Roissy’s own fear of aging hitting him… it’s like his midlife crisis xD

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

“You’re the Scarecrow, you’re outgoing and impulsive and people mistake that for lack of a brain.”

“You’re the Lion, you’re really sensitive and people mistake that for lack of courage.”

“You’re the Tin Man, you’re serious and thoughtful and people mistake that for lack of a heart”

“And you…” Shake your head disapprovingly at your target. “You’re Toto.”

Pecunium
8 years ago

That’s… precious.

What gets me is that this is seen as “The Secret”. Some time back, when I first encountered The Artist Formerly Known As Roissy, I pointed out that, were he a “REAL Alpha”, he wouldn’t be needing all this “Game”. He could just walk into any bar, in any place, and the women would come to him. This is, if the “Theory of Game” is correct, the way it is. Alphas have women flocking to them, no work required.

So Roissy is, at best, a Beta, and the guys who are emulating him are trying, really hard, to become, “Upper Betas”.

Which is, the more I look at him, harder to deny. Maybe he’s getting laid on a regular basis, but he’s still busting his hump, and spending lots of time and effort, to get what should just happen… if he were an alpha.

Pecunium
8 years ago

If anyone wants to read about my trip to the Daily Show it’s here

Bee
Bee
8 years ago

Apparently Roissy meant to say “Gossip Girl.”

If only he had said Golden Girls …

YOU: (Smiling) “You guys are awesome you’re just like the girls from the Golden Girls.”

YOU: “You’re definitely Rose because you’re strong but you have a heart. People misunderstand you.” (This is good to use on the shy girl of the group.)

YOU: “You’re Blanche Devereaux, the queen bee!” (Use on the most outgoing chick.)

YOU: “And you’re Sophia. You want to be sweet, but you’re too cranky to pull it off.” (This is actually a great neg to use on a young hot chick, because the Sophia character is a really old lady.)

YOU: “And you…” Shake your head disapprovingly at your target. “You are Dorothy.”

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Pecunium – Yeah, there’s such a thing as charisma, and it’s not something you can get from a script. I don’t think you need mega innate charisma to attract a mate, but you do if you want to feel like Big Man Alpha with women hanging off every part of you they can get a handhold on.

I respect guys who don’t have much charisma, but are earnest and upfront and just “hey, I don’t have a good pickup line so I figured I’d just say hi?” about things. I have just about zero respect for guys who are so obsessed with their own image that they refuse to shut it down and talk on the “haha, but no, really” level.

Ponkz
Ponkz
8 years ago

I think I’ve found Roissy’s Scottish cousins!

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Also, it’s kind of amazing the casual racism on display there.

Apparently Roissy wants to pick up the kind of women who will say “I am not like a black chick! Oh you! Why don’t I take you home and show you just how white I can be?”

NightShadeQueen
NightShadeQueen
8 years ago

“Lets make this clear once anf for all. Nobody “wants” to work.”

I don’t know about you, but I’d rather pipette all day than scrub floors all day.

Pecunium
8 years ago

Off to work (which I don’t need… pension from the Army and all that) but I enjoy. I’d not enjoy it if they didn’t pay me what I’m worth; and so I would quit.

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
8 years ago

“I don’t know about you, but I’d rather pipette all day than scrub floors all day.”

Seconded.

Also, I like my work. Sure, every now and then I wish I could take a day off on a whim, but in general I am happy to go into the lab every day.

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
8 years ago

Oh, and Ullere, if you’re still around – your response really didn’t address my criticisms. If a women isn’t considering an engineering degree because she’s been hearing her whole life that girls aren’t good at math, even if her career choice is following her “desires”…there is still a very serious problem that needs to be fixed.

And again, I say: Yay, stereotype threat. Uhg.