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Manosphere dudes: Let’s set up fake feminist blogs to take down feminism!

On the internet, no one knows you're a dog disguised as a cat.

Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?

WITBD explained:

On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.

Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything.  And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.

Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:

I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.

His fantasies got more and more extravagant:

Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.

And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!

(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)

WITBD continued fantasizing:

Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.

And where the only people paying attention are you guys.

If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.

Wheels within wheels!

Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:

Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …

[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.

Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:

http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/

I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.

Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.

Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea.  As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:

It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.

A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.

Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …

The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.

And got busted everytime.

Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”

Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?

In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.

The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.

Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.

Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!

Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.

And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.

[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.

Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.

If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.

Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!

High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.

Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.

So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”

Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.

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Posted on January 3, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, antifeminst women, douchebaggery, hypocrisy, lying liars, manginas, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, PUA, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 1,130 Comments.

  1. A drivers license is completely useless. I drove for seven years without one. It doesn’t mean anything.

    You went seven years without getting pulled over?

    I guess you’re a good driver… or an infrequent driver… or a chronic liar.

    As for the rest of it, all I got was some “people disapproved of a woman being beaten, this is terrible because women being beaten is awesome,” and some “oooh, whatever feminism says is right, I wouldn’t want to argue with feminism, because obviously I have no real argument to make.”

    Also I agree with you that the NDAA is terrible but I don’t think it’s going to be enforced against people who buy too many groceries.

  2. @Dire Sloth – “What Is To Be Done” was Lenin’s favorite book, a truly leaden didactic novel about the utopian Socialist future written in the mid-1800’s by one Chernyshevsky. The young Lenin borrowed the title for a pamphlet he wrote at the turn of the 20th century arguing for the formation of a revolutionary workers’ party in Russia, which is now at least as famous as the novel itself.

    I hate it when they take things I love and ruin them. Maybe I’ll go with you on the Half Life fanfic hypothesis.

  3. So…a woman being beaten proves that women act as cheerleaders in war.

    WELL NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE

  4. Oh yeah, I forgot to ask:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”

    Agree or disagree?

    (I won’t go in circles forever this time because I don’t want to shit up the whole thread. But I do think it’s hilarious that asking a Christian if he agrees with one of Christ’s most famous teachings is some sort of unspeakably cruel “gotcha” question.)

    (Next on the Holly Pervocracy Attack Interview, we’ll ask a vegetarian if he eats meat! Oh, what cruel traps we lay.)

  5. How do these clowns expect to effectively parody something that they don’t actually understand? There have been multiple attempts at it already from a commenter POV and they always fail, so…listen to your white supremacist friend, even he’s smarter than you are?

    Now there’s a line I never foresaw the opportunity to write.

  6. Modern Feminism is a joke. Its was something necessary when women used to be oppressed, but its 2012. What else do you want? I’m not saying that what that douchebag is doing is right, but why the fuck is both sides instigating so much? Feminism has turned into feminazism perpetuated by insecure women, and as for the anti-feministic men? They’re insecure that women will overpower them. Point in being, its retarded. Instead of seeing each other as mann or frau, why the fuck not see it is HUMAN BEING. simple as that. You people sicken me and this shouldn’t even be debated. Where the fuck is the social progression of mankind? I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

  7. Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant

    I kind of actually see what NWO is saying, but then again, isn’t Egypt ultra patriarchal or whatever? I have always disagreed that this has no benefits for women- it pedestalizes them. In more equitable countries, like the US, that would probably not be seen as so horrible. Which is nice.

  8. “Judaism is a nationality.”

    If I say Jewish is a faith I’ll be wrong. If I say Jewish is a race I’ll be wrong. Either way I lose so I guess feminists wins this one.
    —————–
    “Portugal and Spain are populated mostly by brown people.”

    Although I don’t recall ever saying as such, I’ll have to agree I did since feminism is never wrong. This is again an unwinnable statement. If I say they’re white I’m wrong, if I say they’re brown I’m wrong. I lose by default again.

    These things, they’re called false dichotomies.

  9. Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant

    Not that she was beaten, I mean. But that it wouldn’t be seen as a violation of basic human decency while men around her receive equal punishment.

  10. @Cassandra: After reading your post about white supremacist friends, I now have They Might Be Giants stuck in my head.

  11. Monsieur sans Nom

    People are able to accept even the most obvious as well as the most hidden and sophisticated trolling as truth if it vibrates in the same frequency as their twisted desires.

    ‘Tis true! :-P On the other hand though………….now that he spilled the beans about his plans he’s setting himself up for an Epic Flop. We really could use some intelligent feminist satire sites for the lolz, though.

  12. Hey Nameless, any particular reason you made the same post in two separate threads?

  13. Monsieur sans Nom

    Sorry! I meant to post ITT but I accidently posted in the wrong one(first).

  14. There are three rules to capturing an alpha male’s heart:
    –Be young.
    –Be thin.
    –Be hot.

    Blame the imperatives of human evolution. Men are driven to find the healthiest and most fertile mates– no whales, warpigs, or cougars need apply. Betas must settle for uggos with sagging breasts and manjaws, but an alpha male samples only the pinnacle of beauty. So the first step is to put on some makeup and put down the Doritos: that’ll already push you above the average entitled American woman drunk on her wymyn’s studies degree, a makework PR job, and her sex-and-the-city hen circle clucking about empowerment. If you’re still mediocre, curse your uggo parents for making you; the discerning eye of the alpha male, honed by milennia of evolution, sees past artifice to the true core of beauty. Makeup might get you the pump-and-dump, but only good genes gets you the sublimity of a relationship with an alpha male.

    Young, thin, and hot comprises 95% of girl game; the last 5% accounts for a narrow but invaluable edge in the sexual market, the difference between a quality woman and a used-up slut taking her self-esteem from the alphas who’ll dump a fuck in her but never see her in the daylight.

    Keep your number at three or below, the number you wish your mother was at. Don’t think you can get away with a fling: the hardened eyes of the inveterate slut tell all. Once you’re dating your alpha male, always be willing to service his male needs: take it joyfully up the ass, give blowjobs while he watches TV, try public sex and dirty talk and the varied positions of a porn star. Be a cock-gobbling little slut, but be his cock-gobbling little slut. A little faux-reluctance will let him think that he’s awakening a sexual animal in you no one has ever awakened before– catnip for the skilled seducer.

    Cultivate your feminine energy. Embrace the polarity between you: be the yin to his yang, the Light Side to his Dark. American women are so rarely truly feminine– career-grubbing slutty manjawed lawyercunts who’ll pin you to the bed with their enlarged clitorises. Embracing and appreciating your femininity and admiring his masculinity is key.

    Nurturing is one of the most important traits for a woman. Your happiness should be entirely dependent on your man’s. Learn to cook, clean, and take care of a home. Don’t bitch. Don’t nag. Smile and be cheerful, even when you feel awful. Let him rest at the end of a hard day’s work. Your feminine nature will make you want to talk about your feelings, but reserve it to only once every six months.

    Everything else– your career, your orbiters on Facebook, how many drinks you can throw back, your taste in music, your PhD, your insightful political opinions, your shoes, how well you “work what you got,” the opinions of your gay best friend and your coffee klatch– means nothing in the stark world of the sexual market. Men will pretend to care about it to get a chance at the wonderland between your legs.

    Only a young, thin, hot woman with these traits will get an alpha male to commit for the long term. Overlook his cheating. You can’t expect a desirable man not to pump-and-dump twenty-year-old sluts as you hit the Wil E. Coyote point and reach sexual irrelevance. But a good woman can earn his loyality and love.

  15. POLL: who here supports NDAA?

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

    Who here did more than NWO against the NDAA?

    I… see. That’s an awful lot of hands there.

  16. @Ozy, that was… ugh. Very, very good, and very, very depressing.

  17. Ozy! Can you do “how to convince women of your newfound alpha status” next?

  18. Ozy, I hope you never go to the dark side, because frankly, you’re better at it than most of the “real” Roissyites are.

    …you should start your own PUA site and use the lingo to advocate how treating women like humans is a DHV and bypasses the Bitch Shield, but that seems like a hypocritical suggestion to make right now.

    (It’s not the same, because it’s about making them better, not about making them look bad–in fact it would be extremely good image for them–but at the same time yeah it would be kinda dishonest.)

  19. Am I shallow when I say my strongest response to this post was:

    OMG WHAT A CUTE DOGGIE IN A CAT HAT WITH CUTE STUFFED TOYS oogie woogies, woojie woojie, CUDDLES!

    Um. OK, what were we talking about again?

  20. I kind of actually see what NWO is saying, but then again, isn’t Egypt ultra patriarchal or whatever? I have always disagreed that this has no benefits for women- it pedestalizes them.

    Tell us more about how dreamy it is to work as an unpaid servant for a dude all day, every day. Why, if you’re lucky, you even get to drive.

    Not that she was beaten, I mean. But that it wouldn’t be seen as a violation of basic human decency while men around her receive equal punishment.

    It’s a violation of basic human decency in a way that curbstomping a man isn’t because in addition to the curostomping they’re stripping her, which is a taboo in their culture, which means they’re subjecting her to special abasement. They’re not receiving equal punishment: there are no naked dude protesters in the streets.

    Worse, if you’ve eschewed Whole Foods for a prole grocery store, you’re likely to see the fattened thunderthighs of the underclass waddling to the checkout counter.

    *wanders away muttering “thunderthighs of the underclass” to self in low monotone*

  21. Wait, is that HELLO KITTTY STUFF? Ok, I am woefully out of touch with some elements of popular and mass culture (like, um Katy Perry and Russell Brand and Hello Kitty).

  22. Ozy, you’re an evil genius.

  23. Ozy, do MRA!you and AmiRA hang out?

  24. Well, I fucked that up.

  25. Can we get a random Schwyzer rant?

  26. So, do we think MRAL is trolling on purpose again or just sulking because he got told off in the other thread?

  27. Ozy – POLL: who here supports NDAA?

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

    Who here did more than NWO against the NDAA?

    I… see. That’s an awful lot of hands there.

    ….

    At least Meller acted embarrassed when I pointed out he was here on Manboobz talking about feminists stealing his magic hovercars instead of fighting NDAA. NWO, I doubt we can get that much out of him. He ALWAYS manages to be fightin’ big daddy while he’s here!

  28. Also, WHY AM I PRETENDING NOT TO WANT MORE GOVERNMENT. WHAT IS YOUR PROOF I AM PRETENDING?

  29. ozyMRAndias, please don’t take a job as writing consultant or editor of an MRA blog… your parodies are too good. (Thunderthighs of the underclass could be the new hot buttered manatees.)

  30. Egyptian women took to the streets wiht the rallying cry of… “Drag me, strip me. My brother’s blood will cover me.”

    Evidently NWO is fluent in Egyptian and can make out the individual words in that video.

    A drivers license is completely useless. I drove for seven years without one. It doesn’t mean anything.

    I have a hard time believing NWO went 7 years without drinking.

  31. Zhinxy – His proof is LADY.

    Also, you could be Jewish.

  32. My second thought is: “seasteading” WTF?

    And thirdly, I keep remembering stories of teenage boys in MOOS and MUCKS and other such places in the earlier days of the internet trying to talk like they imagined “girls” would talk (or fantasized how girls would talk) and failing miserably…..

  33. Holly – TRUE! I’d HAVE TO LIE ABOUT IT… Wait a minute, so… You CAN’T be Jewish…

    NWO – Wait, hold up, so… Do you interpret the powerful “Drag me, Strip me, My brother’s blood will cover me” chant as… Some sort of sexual display and call for men’s blood???????

    OH, WAIT. OF COURSE YOU DO!

    …wow.

    The laughing or the crying, what does I do>

  34. @ithiliana I successfully impersonated a woman for several months on EQ2 because I refused to join voice chat and talked exclusively about *in game content*!

    Also I look fabulous in a mini-skirt kilt.

  35. Oops, turning into Brandon *that* guy.

    Anyway, I have to get back to my Brandon because I have a stack of Brandon to finish before I Brandon for the day. And since I can’t Brandon to the Brandon after Brandon I’m just going Brandon so I can catch up on my Brandon.

  36. Cassandra, that one’s a bit of a toughie, because in roissyland alphahood is entirely based on whether girls like you, so if they are not convinced of your alphahood, you’re not an alpha. Still, I will try.

    Scientists say 90% of communication is nonverbal. Therefore, in the first thirty seconds of the approach, the girls have already assessed your position in the hierarchy and decided whether to spread their legs or blow you out. However many routines you’ve memorized or magic tricks you’ve learned, it is nearly impossible to overcome weak body language.

    Don’t walk like a beta male, hunched over and supplicating, begging for their attention. Stride purposefully like an alpha male. You have places to go and you’re deigning to grant these girls your attention. Walk quickly, since you’re purposeful, but not too quickly (rushing is beta). Look forward directly at your goal, unless you’re approaching a girl, in which case look around as if you can see a better prospect. When you stand, stand contrapasso, like the heroic statues of the Renaissance: legs and feet shoulder-width apart, one foot at a jaunty angle, most of your weight on your left leg. You should seem relaxed, carelessly vulnerable, and self-possessed.

    When you speak, speak like an alpha male. Your voice should be deep, ravaged by testosterone, not the high squeak of a beta male. Lift weights and cut out soy to increase your T. Speak slowly and calmly. Your voice must be low, so they have to crane in to hear you; this is a subtle gesture of submission on their part.

    Finally, the most important game is inner game. You are the prize. The girls are seeking your approval; you are not seeking theirs. They’re lucky to be able to spend time with you. You don’t care if they stay or go. This attitude is hardwired by evolution straight to the ginas of girls: a man who doesn’t care about them is a man with options, and a man with options is a man whose genes will have sexy sons. If you can make yourself believe you are the prize, it will create a thousand tiny subconscious adjustments in posture, movement, and voice that will greatly improve your game.

  37. Ithiliana: “Seasteading” is a movement to start little libertarian utopias in the ocean. There would be no drug laws, no minimum-wage laws, and no building codes. Because having a bunch of drugged-out workers making a dollar an hour cutting corners to save money in the middle of the FUCKING OCEAN is sure to end well.

  38. I have now decided to reclaim the term Thundercunt! THUNDERCUNTS UNITE!

  39. We can base the theme song for our new feminist band, Thundercunts, on the old Thundercats theme. Who’s with me?

  40. NWO – Wait, hold up, so… Do you interpret the powerful “Drag me, Strip me, My brother’s blood will cover me” chant as… Some sort of sexual display and call for men’s blood???????

    OH, WAIT. OF COURSE YOU DO!

    NWO, serious question: do you believe brothers and sisters can love each other? What would you do if some fucknugget cop broke your sister’s ribs on TV? (inb4 “say she deserved it”) Also…you’re a libertarian, right? HERE IS ACTUAL STATIST OPPRESSION BY A MILITARY JUNTA. LOOK AT IT.

  41. What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they find success with women like so many other men can? Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships. What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success?

  42. Because having a bunch of drugged-out workers making a dollar an hour cutting corners to save money in the middle of the FUCKING OCEAN is sure to end well.

    For the rest of us.

  43. What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they Can’t find success with women like so many other men can?

    Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships.

    What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success?

  44. Ozy,

    Should end well enough for those of us who aren’t very nice people and have a very dark sense of humor.

  45. What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they find success with women like so many other men can? Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships. What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success?

    They’re psyching themselves up to fail. Look at MRAL in the other thread: he goes on for pages of INTERNET RAGE about how a girl at a party isn’t interested in him…and not once does he mention asking her if she was up for anything.

  46. NWO, serious question: do you believe brothers and sisters can love each other? What would you do if some fucknugget cop broke your sister’s ribs on TV? (inb4 “say she deserved it”) Also…you’re a libertarian, right? HERE IS ACTUAL STATIST OPPRESSION BY A MILITARY JUNTA. LOOK AT IT.

    I still haven’t had any word from NWO on whether he identifies libertarian or not. He does, however, insist I’m pretending to be one.

    And seriously. He’s utterly blinded by the idea that women are marching… To oppress men… Or something…

  47. @Holly,

    “…you should start your own PUA site and use the lingo to advocate how treating women like humans is a DHV and bypasses the Bitch Shield, but that seems like a hypocritical suggestion to make right now.”

    http://www.charlienox.com/2011/12/02/get-off-script/

  48. …Men have to actually say what they want? Women don’t just randomly offer men blowjobs because they’re having a nice conversation at a party?

    Bitches! Scorning men for daring to touch your robes!

  49. “Tell us more about how dreamy it is to work as an unpaid servant for a dude all day, every day. Why, if you’re lucky, you even get to drive”

    Not saying it’s dreamy, but it’s not unpaid. You get paid in food, clothes and other things you need/want that the husband can afford with his money. If it was truly unpaid, I would say it was unfair. Not to mention that if you were really not paid and at the same time had to stay at home, you would starve to death. Housewives getting paid with money for their housework, while being more or less supported by their husbands is what I call extra pay. The husband is not supported by anyone but himself.

  50. Ithiliana: “Seasteading” is a movement to start little libertarian utopias in the ocean. There would be no drug laws, no minimum-wage laws, and no building codes. Because having a bunch of drugged-out workers making a dollar an hour cutting corners to save money in the middle of the FUCKING OCEAN is sure to end well.

    -Not all communities involved in seasteading are at all capitalistish. :) And who’s to say corners will be cut? I may think these schemes are silly and utopian, (And I do) but, on the other hand, I welcome all attempts to build anarchy. The assumption that no drug laws equals everybody high, no minimum wage laws (Which have a VERY complex and murky history) mean nobody gets a fair wage, and no state codes means no safety is very much up for debate. Anarchy, capital L libertarian or not, is about building a new society – Why the assumption it has to have the worst aspects of capitalism?

    *puts on pirate hat and swashes her buckle*

  51. And if we are to fail and starve and crumble on our own, well, as long as we’re given the freedom to peacefully try!

  52. I firmly support seasteaders being allowed to peacefully try. I just think it’s a damn stupid idea. :)

    And that, you know, we have building codes and minimum-wage laws for a reason, and that reason is that so far people have a proven track record of being terrible at prioritizing long-term safety and happiness over a quick buck.

  53. Not saying it’s dreamy, but it’s not unpaid. You get paid in food, clothes and other things you need/want that the husband can afford with his money. If it was truly unpaid, I would say it was unfair. Not to mention that if you were really not paid and at the same time had to stay at home, you would starve to death. Housewives getting paid with money for their housework, while being more or less supported by their husbands is what I call extra pay. The husband is not supported by anyone but himself.

    The problem with getting paid in food and clothes and such is that it’s pretty much entirely on the husband’s sufferance. If he decides he doesn’t want me wearing such nice clothes, there’s no labor laws protecting me from this sudden, unilateral “wage cut,” no minimum wage laws saying he has to give me anything at all, and getting a new “job” is even harder than it is for regular jobs. And if I get fed up and leave the MRAs don’t want me getting any alimony.

    I don’t think staying at home is always wrong, especially for people with small children, but it’s not like a job.

    Also: if the husband is getting housekeeping, nannying for his children, and a personal chef, he’s receiving services of real monetary value. Supporting the person who does these things for him is not an act of loving charity. It’s a fantastic deal compared to what he’d have to pay professionals.

  54. Oh, just in case there’s someone out there who hasn’t seen this: Thundercunt!, thanks to Ami’s brilliant mind.

    Also, just because I have to do this anytime thundercunt is mentioned:

    Thundercunt, thundercunt, thndercunt! On land. On ice. Under water. Over water. Thundercunt! There’s nothing in the world like Thundercunt!

  55. bobbyjo: I think it’s a self-reinforcing cycle. People get into the Roissysphere (my area of interest in the manosphere) because they can’t get laid for whatever reason– they’re shy, they’re not good-looking, they have poor social skills, they have shitty luck. The Roissysphere then inculcates attitudes in them that will keep them from getting laid, so they keep coming back and buying books and DVDs and driving blog traffic. It’s a racket.

  56. Not saying it’s dreamy, but it’s not unpaid. You get paid in food, clothes and other things you need/want that the husband can afford with his money. If it was truly unpaid, I would say it was unfair. Not to mention that if you were really not paid and at the same time had to stay at home, you would starve to death. Housewives getting paid with money for their housework, while being more or less supported by their husbands is what I call extra pay. The husband is not supported by anyone but himself.

    Works both ways, bucko. If “food, clothes, and other things you need/want” is equivalent to pay, then the labor the woman is doing for the man (household chores, laundry, cooking, etc.) also is equivalent to some variety of pay. (That’s why the husband exchanges his money/goods for them, right???) The husband is being supported in part by his wife, and the things he is able to do and own are limited by the labor his wife can put in to maintain that lifestyle. He’s not going it alone and supported only by himself.

  57. Cassandra, can our first album be called “We Have High IQs?”

    Ozy, you are scary good at the PUA stuff. Roissy better watch out.

  58. Not saying it’s dreamy, but it’s not unpaid. You get paid in food, clothes and other things you need/want that the husband can afford with his money.

    am I the only one with the reflexive need to change “husband” to “slave owner” in that sentence to see if Emma the Emo might get it?

    Or is it just that she doesn’t understand that “compensated” != “paid”? The husband is fed, clothed, and provided for through his income and his wife’s labour and still can save for retirement, a better house, a newer wife. But the wife, well she has the clothes on her back and the fat on her ribs and shouldn’t complain?

    I just don’t get where you’re coming from Emma. I honestly don’t.

  59. He’s not going it alone and supported only by himself.

    Of course, if he chooses to remain single, he could actually support himself entirely independently. Women in that society are not given that option.

  60. I think in general, taking a long view of history and behaviour, people have always invested in their families and communities, with an eye to the future, with huge profits and “business” in the Capitalist sense not as much an issue without a system of priveleges involved. If we’re going to assume State capitalism is the way things are going to be, then yes, we need measures to mollify it, but I just see no reason, taking a long view of history, to make that assumption. :)

  61. Crumbelievable

    “What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they Can’t find success with women like so many other men can? Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships. What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success.”

    MRA answer: All those happy manginas have been brainwashed by feminism into accepting their slavery happily, but deep down, they’re miserable.

    Honest answer: Women are probably turned off by their prehistoric attitudes about sexuality, their acceptance of brutal violence as a solution to problems, and the way they seem to enjoy demeaning rape victims.

  62. @ hellkell – Yes, and the first single can be called “Who dares touch my robes?”.

  63. @ hellkell – Yes, and the first single can be called “Who dares touch my robes?”.

    Yes. Now B-Side. What shall be the B-Side…

  64. Honestly, I’m finding the discussion of “why MRAs can’t get laid” somewhat problematic. Obviously, a lot of the reason they can’t get laid is their obnoxious personalities– but there are a lot of people who can’t get laid who are perfectly awesome people (and a lot of obnoxious people who get laid all the time), and I think we’re skirting the Just World fallacy.

  65. B side – “Elitist Bitches Are Awesome”.

  66. The B-side is (I’m Sneering At You) Boy.

  67. Hymn to Hypergamy?

  68. I have a hard time believing NWO went 7 years without drinking.

    Oh, that’s nothing. He’s also claimed that he sometimes went months without any food.

  69. Crumbelievable

    So then NWO is a cockroach? That explains so much.

  70. Except for the time he stole peanut butter but escaped the cops by running across train tracks.

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