Manosphere dudes: Let’s set up fake feminist blogs to take down feminism!
On the internet, no one knows you're a dog disguised as a cat.
Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
Posted on January 3, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, antifeminst women, douchebaggery, hypocrisy, lying liars, manginas, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, PUA, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 1,130 Comments.
There are a couple of people I’ve banned here who keep leaving comments anyway; the most persistent one left one earlier today in which he referred to Betty Friedan’s The Feminine Mystique as
Which is a bit like describing Justin Bieber as a punk rocker.
I’m beginning to think that there’s not even one single MRA who’s ever actually read The Feminine Mystique.
When a dudebro gets irate that he doesn’t have a job and blames “feminist laws” or “women in the workforce,” I ask him to instead kindly blame his senators, congress-derps, President, and of course, the system that ensures that a straight-C-student, Yale legacy admission cokehead gets to be President of the United States. Oh, and that Rick Perry guy? Who can’t pass basic college gen-eds? Is governor of Texas, while the men and women who graduated summa cum laude in the Class of 2009 are sitting in their parents’ basements. Born into wealth and power, and you’re guaranteed it for life, no matter how much you fail, fuck up, or run businesses into the ground.
Not privileged? Well, Daddy Corporation, backed up by Daddy Government, can throw you out onto your ass at any time, for any reason, and your source for feeding and housing yourself and your family is cut off like that. That goes double if you’re a Steve Jobs-type and innovate, rock the boat, or do anything that constitutes “toeing the corporate line” a little too much. If you’re not of the privileged class, you best sit down, shut up, and conform, and you better love that little grey box they put you in from K-12, all the way through college, and throughout your working years until you die. (Remember, they stole your retirement, too.)
In no sane country would the Trump or Hilton kids be given the time of day. But here? They’re who we’re told we should aspire to be.
An ideal society would cultivate the best aspects of free-market libertarianism and socialism. We here in America pick the worst aspects of each, and make them even stupider.
@zhinxy
You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.
Feminism is the cause, the “root” of the entire social problem. there can be nothing more pressing than the total destruction of feminism. That is the “root” cause.
That Egypt woman was exactly right, She will be bathed in her brothers blood. Every single society today is set up in some way for the protection and provision of women.
That society is totally the opposite politically of the western society. yet the result is the same. Protect and provide for women. You want the same thing out here. Every link given is how women suffer in some way. Women aren’t getting enough of something. Men need to do more. Then when they’re the majority by State mandate, women snicker and say men can’t compete on a level fiend as if the field was level.
What’s the difference between a muslim woman demanding protection and provision within her societal norm and a leftist gender-raunch woman demanding protection and provision for her choices within western societal norms? Deference to women on the right, deference to women on the left. It makes no difference.
NWO: You don’t get to deny history just because you didn’t witness it. Your ignorance isn’t getting you out of this.
Using the pathetic logic that you made up to support your bigotry, those Native American cultures must have had a third gendered aspect. YES OR NO.
Oh, and I forgot to thank those who actually gave me links and text (I save everything as it’s valuable), and to those who tell me to be careful with MRAs. I know people are fallible and every side I visited and talked to has its problems, as well as problematic people. I can’t ask what exactly is so wrong with Eivind Berge and his ilk, because I know what the answers would be like (wouldn’t tell me anything that I haven’t already investigated…) One thing I’m pretty sure of, and that is that it’s unlikely he’s a liar. If he was a great manipulator, I think he wouldn’t have a problem getting laid in the first place, since sociopaths and great manipulators tend to be charming, at least. And I read pretty much every comment he’s ever made online (that I could find), and it was extremely consistent. You have to be very good at remembeing all your lies that you ever said to be so consistent. Of course, you never know someone 100%, but so far so good.
Ithiliana,
I’m not talking about feminism associated with gay people, it’s not “crazy”. It hurts absolutely no one.
Bee,
And yes, I do have to talk to feminists or those who agree with them. If you don’t feel like responding to me, you don’t have to (in one comment you suggested I should be ignored. If I’m ignored, I’ll stop responding, and will be more careful with my troubling ideas in the future, since it produces so much unpleasantness). Maybe David will even ban me, it’s ok, it’s his site. Maybe you strongly object to the idea that some people learn from talking to people? It worked well with PUA blog guys so far. After getting into this whole community, I discovered that things are often not what they seem, have you ever had that? I strongly recommend this. If you don’t agree with my troubling ideas, we can agree to disagree. I’d stop talking about them, but people are now asking me a lot.
About sex in relationships. It goes both ways. You are nice and caring if you put out on demand (ugh, bad word! “putting out on demand” means when asked, not necessarily after it’s literally demanded) and you’re nice and caring if you don’t demand the other person does this. If both people follow these rules, you will have a good relationship. I don’t think it’s nice to refuse it a lot and ignore it (now much is a lot; i think, depends on each couple). I remember reading very sad comments of wives and husbands whose spouses don’t want sex anymore. One guy said his wife thinks he married her only for sex and doesn’t like that he even tries. You don’t have to think of yourself as a non-person to realize certain things are important to your partner. It’s a matter of making them happy. And yourself, because making them happy will make you happy, too.
@NWO
“@zhinxy
Weren’t you in the armed forces? You got there because of AA. You didn’t earn it. Your standards, as a woman were lower but your pay was equal. Wasn’t it?”
First off, you get paid for the job, not just having it. So if you don’t have proof that zhinxy was doing an easier/inferior job compared to the men in her unit you have no leg to stand on (or even an ass to sit on) i.e. put up or STFU.
Second, you’ve been whining and bitching your whole life that women don’t fight and die for men, and yet you’re angry that zhinxy went in the army and fought for men, and you’re angry that the army lowered it’s requirements in order to recruit more women to fight for men. This is why we consider you a two-faced jackass with no comprehensive worldview, just a film of hate.
@zhinxy
“If political statist feminism is so popular and powerful WHY DID THE ERA NOT PASS????”
Women lobbied not to have it pass and they still do to this day. They want no parts of equality. They only want the equal or better yum-yums, not the responsibility or the accountability.
What woman is going to vote for the draft, no alimony, no child support, equal custody, no AA, no quota, No Titla IX, Mandatory dual arrests in DV, No VAWA. The list goes on forever.
I can’t see women banging down the door for equality. STOP was a feminists movement from the socon feminists. STOP mean stop taking our privileges.
From the left, the center or the right. It doesn’t matter. It all comes down to dictating mens actions.
Oh the right isn’t the “good” feminists? They say the left are the “bad” feminists. And between all the many varieties of feminists men’s resources and actions are dictated. Plus the get out of jail free card of feminism not being a monolithic block.
Oh boy, here we go with the post-apocalyptic Road Warrior fantasies, in which every MRA is a young Mel Gibson:
“You want to get out here? You talk to NWO!”
Tedious. Tedious and predictable.
@Shadow
The ability test for men and women aren’t the same for any of the armed forces. This is a fact. Women get the easier, safe jobs which also are the jobs for faster advancement.
How is that not an advantage in every way?
Answer my question. Yes or no. It’s not that hard, except that it most likely involves admitting you’re a liar, and you can’t stand to be wrong.
“Every single society today is set up in some way for the protection and provision of women.”
OK. Explain North Korea, please.
Women lobbied not to have it pass and they still do to this day.
Phyllis Schlafly, feminist heroine. That one’s already in the Book of Learnin’, isn’t it?
Of course, the real question is whether Schlafly ever giggled while castrating young boys. My money’s on yes.
Or maybe she’s been castrating the SUPER DOGS! That WOULD explain a lot, wouldn’t it?
@captainbathrobe
“Of course, the real question is whether Schlafly ever giggled while castrating young boys. My money’s on yes.”
That’s left up to the leftist feminists and the radfems. You can watch it on youtube, not quite the castration hoped for. Only the mans dick was cut off, but the laughter was quite authentic.
Yes or no.
@David: Most feminists that I’ve talked to or whose blogs I’ve read online days haven’t read Friedan either — it wasn’t even the first feminist work I read (that was Simone de Beauvoir’s The Second Sex). Ditto for a lot of the major names in the Second Wave movement (who defined themselves against Friedan and NOW’s liberal feminism as radical feminists) like Robin Morgan for example! Nor do they know that there were black women active with the white feminists (Angela Davis, Florynce Kennedy, Toni Cade Bambara).
And we can say even more ditto for the disappeared theorists of the First Wave feminist movement (I have problems with the ‘wave terminology’ in any except a chronological usage). how many know that Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote The Woman’s Bible (she was a bit more radical than Susan B. Anthony, to my mind).
There are no social or institutional mechanisms for teaching this material–despite NWO and other MRA’s ideas that women control all the higher learning institutions.
Just as most of the really critical race histories and labor union histories are left out of public education in the US, so too are the histories of women’s participation in ALL these progressive movements AND in feminism.
I know it’s dicey to talk about the need to ‘study’ to be a feminist–and I’m not saying that. But there’s this huge problem in feminism of continually needing to reinvent the wheels without knowing of the work of the women who went before us–The whole issue of the racist cover images on Jessica Valenti’s book showed, for example, that the 15 years or so of womanist/feminist of color critique in white women’s feminism is NOT something that at least that group of younger feminists knew anything about.
Hey! Emma! No one’s saying that partners shouldn’t make each other happy. But the idea that a nice and caring partner puts out on demand but has no such expectations or sexual desires xirself is really, really fucked up. UNLESS you want to have that kind of relationship yourself because, I dunno, you’re a masochist or a sub or something and acting as someone’s sexual slave turns you on in a way you’re not describing here. But acting as though that situation is a normal thing that everyone (or half of society, I guess) should embrace is bizarre.
Anyway, is it Mr. Al who keeps complaining that women aren’t creepy? I find you amazingly creepy, Emma. No joke.
Cap,
I think he honestly has no fucking clue who Schlafly is. Like for reals. That is possibly the funniest thing I’ve seen today.
Phyllis Schlafly and Sharon Osbourne are the same person and she’s the most important person ever in NWOland
Ack, sorry for html fail.
*smacks head*
@NWO,
Yes, I know. Sharon Osbourne speaks for all women. Who knew they all had such potty mouths?
Seriously, though, what’s up with you’re preoccupation with castration? Paging Dr. Freud…
@Lauralot
There’s nothing to answer. A two spirit myth question? Made up nonsense about how good native american were before the bad white man came? No wars, no crime, no nothing until the bad white man came?
I wonder how many white women cried out to hunt down those barbarian redskins?
@captainbathrobe: I’ve been binging on Criminal Minds episodes today, and dear god, I would love to see an behavior analysis on NWO.
Emma: I shall no doubt regret this, but first: I am not gay (and if you think the world is limited to straight and gay, you have done jackshit about learning about alternative sexualities. Google QUILTBAG).
Second, what is the “crazy” feminism you are speaking of then (ignoring your ableist terminology for a while)?
@Emma
Wait, what? So, it basically boils down to “well, sucks for you for being born non-white/female/poor, and choosing to age! You should have known better!” for you?
And, uh, no.
The large, large majority of people, especially marginalized people, do NOT have the option to create their own company willy-nilly.
Affirmative action is also NOT about giving the job to the less qualified applier. This is myth that has already been debunked again and again.
If you don’t want to get a job through AA, then good for you, I guess. But don’t act like your decision is somehow morally superior to marginalized people who could benefit from it, and that it shouldn’t exist in the first place because YOU don’t want to make use of it.
Uhhh, it has been pointed out before, but you are aware that PIV sex is not the only way to have sex, right? You are hopefully also aware that non-straight people exist?
Anyway, why can’t the partner who wants to have sex while the other partner doesn’t just, you know, masturbate?
If they don’t give a shit if the other partner even wants to have sex, they are pretty much just using their partner’s body as a glorified masturbation aid anyway, so why not just use their hand or a toy? They get to get off, and their partner doesn’t get their body autonomy violated! Win/win all around!
Also, you said on your own blog:
so I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume that, in your opinion, women apparently shouldn’t seek out someone who sexually satisfies them, because then they would probably also want a satisfying sex-life with their next partner and… that would be terrible, I guess?
That does make me just a tiiiiny bit creeped out by your views on how sex and relationships should work, and it doesn’t really convince me that they would still be true for you if the genders were reversed.
As hotairgenerator said, if all that works out for you, and you are happy with it, then yay! Good for you! Just don’t impose your ideals, wishes and desires on others, or imply that only your way is how to be a “nice and caring” partner.
Furthermore, I’m seconding Zhinxy; you will probably not find much joy here. Excluding the trolls, I think pretty much every commenter here thinks that the whole greek system is absolute bullshit, and that sex isn’t (or shouldn’t be) some kind of economic transaction.
Why do you want to talk to feminists? Especially on a site about mocking misogyny, which isn’t exactly the best place for a debate on principles anyway?
BTW, I noticed that many somewhat gender-essentialist people tend to think that, because they are a man/a woman (non-binary people are usually not gender-essentialist, so I’m not including them) they know how every other man or woman thinks and acts (or should think and act). It’s really frustrating.
@NWO: I told you that you don’t get to ignore history. Don’t try to deflect me by making up shit I didn’t say. Yes or no.
@captainbathrobe
” Yes, I know. Sharon Osbourne speaks for all women. Who knew they all had such potty mouths?”
That’d be every host of the show and every member of the audience and all those fine comments you read on youtube. Did you forget about them?
Can we make a NWO challenge, in which we see if he can make posts without deflecting and/or without personal attacks?
Phyllis Schlafly and Sharon Osbourne are the same person and she’s the most important person ever in NWOland
She lives in The Ghetto, and 99% of her children are born out of wedlock. And she owns a SUPER DOG.
Lauralot,
I’m still back on how North Korea is all about the womenfolk.
@NWO
The ability tests are different because women and men have different AVERAGE physical abilities. If all women were held to men’s standards, there would be a lot fewer women in the army because on average women have less raw strength, but better endurance and I think average lung capacity as well (I remember reading this but have no citations so am not willing to claim it as fact). Now if you want to hold everyone to the same standard fine. You can maintain the old status quo, but you will then have much fewer women in the army, and you do not get to gloat about men dying for women, or lament that women don’t die for men. (I don’t know the pros and cons to holding everyone to the women’s standards so I’ll leave it to people more knowledgeable than me)
As for women being relegated to desk jobs instead of being on the frontlines, I absolutely agree that those women willing and able should be allowed to join combat. However, the women (and men) doing those desk jobs are actually performing a job for the army, not just eating bon bons, and they deserve to be paid just as much as the men performing desk jobs.
Further, my response to you was specific because your argument was specific. You claimed that ZHINXY was there because of AA, that ZHINXY didn’t earn her position and that ZHINXY did not deserve to be paid the same as her male comrades. I seem to recall that zhinxy was actually in combat, if I’m wrong please correct me. Even if she wasn’t, you have yet to back up your claim that zhinxy did not deserve to be paid the same amount as the men doing who were doing the same job.
That’d be every host of the show and every member of the audience and all those fine comments you read on youtube. Did you forget about them?
How could I possibly forget? You won’t stop writing about it.
But outrageous comments on YouTube? Such a thing has never happened before in the entire history of the internets. Obviously, all feminists, indeed all women, seek to castrate men. How could I not have seen this before?
NWO, I am deeply in you’re debt. Tonight, I shall hide all the knives and sleep wearing a cup for good measure. No feminist is going to catch Captain Bathrobe off his guard!
Lauralot-
I gotta tell ya, I find NWO’s increasingly pathetic attempts to dodge your question, well, not amusing exactly, but the emotion is vaguely similar.
The deadliest Apache pilot I ever knew, as judged by gunnery scores, looked like she was about 16 and had the shit ever hit the fan she would have fought and died with everybody else in the unit.
NWO,
On behalf of this warrior FUCK YOU.
Argh! “Your” not “you’re.”
@captainbathrobe
Might I also suggest a suit of armour in lieu of a bathrobe, these women are EVERYWHERE and you can never be too safe. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!
I still laugh about how Phyllis Schlafly got shafted–after all her hard work, leaving her husband and children to fend for themselves while she travelled around the country telling women to NOT work outside the home but to stay home and care for their husbands and childrens, she did not get the post she wanted to in the RayGun administration: the nuclear energy one.
But you know, despite my intense loathing for what she’s done, it’s interesting to see how much HER work has been ignored in histories of the conservative movement as well!
Here’s a link to her Eagle Forum bio, and a book on her by an academic:
http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/bio.html
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8012.html
You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.
… YOU don’t want to understand! ROFL NWO – LISTEN -. I’m an anarchist, I want to help it collapse!
WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THIS! XD
MY UTOPIAN CULTURE IS MARKET ANARCHISM. PLEASE LOOK IT UP. It’s about getting RID of the Corporate/STate/MSM/Military complex.
Yet EVERY SINGLE TIME I mention that this should be done, or give ways to do it, you can’t stand it?
SO. WHAT. DO. YOU. WANT?
As for my military service, which was Coast Guard, I am not going to indulge you in that manner. I have many complicated thoughts, a lot of bad and good experiences, and a lot of all sorts of things. It was a very dark and very bright time in my life, and it’s hard to talk about even when people aren’t hateful morons. In all honesty, because of my undiagnosed Autism, I probably wasn’t entirely cut out for the work, nothing to do with gender. But I worked alongside the men. And you aren’t fit to lick most of their boots.
@hotairgenerator
I think your prediction lacks a bit in the BRAINWASHED TRAITOR MANGINAS!11!!eleven department, but aside from that it seems eerily accurate…
@Shadow
I don’t think there is, my good chap! And, alas, while I did salviate at the thought of some delicious crepes for a moment, NWO’s insane ramblings nipped this craving in the bud.
Which means only one thing: NWO is the Anti-Nutella :(!
So, um, am I the only one that’s wondering if Emma is an MRA pretending to be a false flag feminist?
So, of course people learn in different ways, and of course some people learn from discussion.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT from someone commenting on a blog that they completely disagree with in every way, and spouting nonsense ideas that everyone on the blog disagrees with, in an attempt to gain cookies from one’s boyfriend. That’s not learning, that’s trolling. In fact, that’s trolling on behalf of your boyfriend, which makes you even worse than any of our normal trolls. Just ew.
I don’t think Emma’s pretending to be a feminist at all.
She’s definitely an MRA. I don’t think she’s pretended to be a feminist or even a fake feminist, although she is pretending to be jus’ sayin’, which is always annoying.
@Kollege
Dramatic chipmunk!!!!!! HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS?!! *tears of laughter*
@Tatjna
I don’t think even MRAs are stupid enough to try pretending to be the feminist girlfriend of Birge who completely supports his words. If they are, I weep for humanity.
You knew Starbuck?
also what dracula and bee have said, she’s made no claim to being a feminist
@Tatjna:
Wait, when did she even pretend to be feminist xD?
And I agree with Bee, though to be honest, I do feel kind of sorry for Emma, since she seems to have really low self-esteem.
Molly,
El snort.
I hate to be all “I was once like you,” But Emma, you really do remind me of myself at one point. Or a way I could have gone. Bad and good. I told you, I was there when MRA began, and I was a more conservative and “I’m an individualist feminist, not like those gender feminists” creature at the time, though I never quite sounded like a lot of your more eye-raising statements. But I do know they’re the culture of MRA at the moment, and I know you’re closely, personally involved as well as politically.
So I’m going to ignore the bad for this moment, and I’m going to say that if at any point you want to talk to somebody about getting away or not getting away from any MRA’s, those you know personally or not, and if at any time you want to find someplace (That may even be hostile to much of feminism,) that shares many of your concerns and values without being as extreme or misogynistic as that movement, you can email me. Even years from now. Or just tell me everything’s great. Or never contact me at all.
zhinxy@gmail.com
I do suspect that her “I want to understand where you’re coming from, please educate me?” routine might be a touch disingenuous, though.
Quick reality check: non-combat positions in the military generally pay less than combat positions. NWO’s idea that female soldiers in support positions are getting paid the same as male soldiers on the front lines comes from the same special place as all his other concepts about the universe.
This is an issue for women in the military right now, as many women would like to take combat positions because they pay better but can’t because the military doesn’t allow it.
@Kollege
“Anyway, why can’t the partner who wants to have sex while the other partner doesn’t just, you know, masturbate?”
While I do understand your point re: bodily autonomy, I think this line of thought is too often used to shame people into staying in incompatible relationships. While sex isn’t the only important part of being in a relationship, it is definitely an important aspect, and masturbation is not a real substitute. I think if libidos or ideas about sex or whatever are so mismatched that one partner is constantly left frustrated, and no compromise can be reached (e.g. opening up the relationship), then the frustrated partner is fully justified in believing that they are not in an equally satisfying relationship and are fully justified in leaving without being accused of not caring about the partner. (This is not, however, me saying that women should just lie back and think of England if they don’t feel like having sex)
@shaenon
I tried to give him the benefit of doubt and read him as saying that women were doing less work than men but being paid the same as the men in the same positions. The alternative that you suggested was just so stupid that I didn’t think he could even consider that an argument.
/is an idealist
@Shadow
Oh, definitely! I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with ending a relationship if the libidos are waaay mismatched (that applies to either partner, of course).
I forgot to point out that I agree with that part
of Emma’s post, and the point I made was supposed to apply to the situation were the sex drives are only a tad different, so my bad for not clarifying it :(
@Kollege Fair cop, I just read a couple of her comments on this page after reading the false flag feminist post above, and my first thought was “Wow, this person sounds exactly like an MRA might think ‘the voice of reason’ would sound if he were trying to pretend to be a woman.”
Ah, you may be on to something. Like No More Mr. Nice Guy said many pages ago, many many people have theorized that “Emma” is actually Eivind Berge (or maybe a friend of his?) and not a woman at all. The stance that this more “open-minded” (pffffffffffffffbt, whatever) woman is dating this completely wack MRA could be part of the story he’s decided to tell.
On a lighter note, I think I’m going to set up a fake blog to worship Aaron Lewis from STAIND. I mean, sure, Pearl Jam is cool, and Alice in Chains only defined the alt-metal sound from the mid-90s onward, but why bother listening to their material when I can watch an angsty, tattooed bald guy who appreciates reich-wing ideas perform covers of their stuff? Grunge for the right-leaning douchebro college set! It’s a revolution!
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/9462/mass-republican-and-staind-front-man-aaron-lewis-pens-new-tea-party-anthem
@Emma the Emo
I was reading some of Eivind Berge’s blog since I’ve seen his name has been thrown about recently. Seems Norway is as bad if not worse than the US in many respects in it’s treatment of men. I wouldn’t really be bothered by the gang if I were you. Feminism is a hate movement across the board. If you dont walk lock-step with whatever brand rad/left/center/right you’ll be hated.
As much as feminism hates men, it also hates women only slightly less. Motherhood is devalued in feminism. Women trying to act like men and failing miserably at it. Leftist feminist think being a loud-mouthed, combatative drunk whore is acting manly. Although at any time they’ll revert to being a conservative feminist who needs protection from foul language, or punishing a man for her poor choices.
They’ll write and speak in the most vulgar fashion trying to feebly imitate a man, as if that’s what being a man is. Then the next minute they’ll melt like snowflakes when that same language is used on them. They’ll hollaback and cry sexual harrassment as if a mans words slipped up their all too short skirts. Protection and provision at every turn is what they demand. Hate is all they know.
NWO: Either answer my question or admit that your theory was bullshit. It’s not hard.
NWO: I am constantly astounded by your lack of comprehension and ability to pull ‘facts’ from your ass. For fucks sake, man, read a book! One that has more words than pictures!
Also, this? Is fucking hilarious coming from you.
Lauralot: he’s on a ROFL roll tonight, isn’t he? Talking about how WE only know hate. Look in a mirror, NWO.
Emma, trolling for your boyfriend has GOT to be a new low around here, and we’ve had some special trolls before. Hell, their king is trying to give you advice (which I would put no stock in but different strokes).
@zhinxy
… and, zhinxy earns an Identifying The Actual Oppressors merit badge.
Seriously. This.
AlphaAssholeCockCarousel – I’D LOVE TO TAKE CREDIT, BUT I WAS JUST QUOTING ANTI-MORON’S RIGHTS. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THE AWESOMENESS THOUGH!
“Black is all I feel, so this is how it feels to be free.”
I dunno, maybe you should just try some music, MRAs. I like to lean on music when I’m feeling angry. I like Alice in Chains a lot. Stand-up dudes in every regard. They’ve always made awesome music, and they triumphed through the personal tragedies of losing their first frontman and their original bassist amazingly. Jerry Cantrell is the ultimate example, to me, of a MGTOW and loving every minute of it. He has a sweet ranch in Oklahoma, he dates women as he feels like it, and he refuses to be bound by the obligations of record labels. Lots of great examples for anyone seeking to live life on their terms – male or female.
I would totally throw down with a Men Going Like Jerry Cantrell movement.
@zhinxy
You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.
YAY! NWO IS HERE AND HE’S ENGAGING US FINALLY! :D
ENTER AMI ANGELWINGS! >:D
Okay, so what’s the culture we live in that she supports? And don’t just say “FEMINIST CONSPIRACY CULTURE” or w/e cuz your “IT’S BAD” things don’t describe nething xD What’s this culture she supports therefore she can’t destroy? And how is it backed up by that? o:
She’s already described pretty clearly things she wants to change, she’s by far the most radical here, even from you and Meller in that she really doesn’t want a state, and you still want lots of laws and rules to make ppl behave the way you want, and etc… she’s even described how it might work and showed writings to that effect…
so… do you think she’s LYING? o_O She clearly understands the way the world works… so why are you insisting unless you think she’s lying?
or is this a ‘she knows not what she thinks” thing, in which case, please tell us, what’s this “culture” we live in and that she supports? What specifically does she support which insists on this culture and therefore the etcetcetcomplex?
Today marks the day we finally get a straight answer out of NWO and understand how the world works in his eyes! :D (he rly has never explained it, he runs and dodges every single time xD but surely he can’t this time right? He’s CALLED OUT ZHINXY which means he has an A to B to C layout of the world that he thinks she doesn’t understand in her Libertarianism. )
:D
“You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.”
Why would you as a straight white man want to save any of it? Because your pasty ass isn’t going to survive in its absence. You’ll end up shooting yourself in the face trying to protect your property from the mongrel hordes, end up shot in the face by someone you thought you could bully into giving you their property, or end up dying of sepsis after you’ve been shot because you’re too into the idea of being a lone-wolf survivor and there’s nobody around to give you medical treatment. If society collapses, people like you are going to have a lifespan that measures in days since you’ll likely kill a good number of each other off in dumbassed internal power struggles and ill-advised aggression while you try to out-alpha each other. Or you’ll die of easily treated injuries and illnesses because you isolated yourselves or because you drove off people you deemed worthless because of ridiculous criteria. Or you’ll starve to death because you’re too stupid to understand that once your stockpile of MREs is gone they’re gone and nobody wants to trade edible food for inedible gold.
NO NO NO
white straight men would naturally conquer the world (watch,, NWO is gonna point to history) and it’s only this evil feminist state that’s keeping them down!!!! if it weren’t for the evil state conspiracy against him, NWO would own Pepsi and stuff! xD