Manosphere dudes: Let’s set up fake feminist blogs to take down feminism!
On the internet, no one knows you're a dog disguised as a cat.
Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
Posted on January 3, 2012, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, antifeminst women, douchebaggery, hypocrisy, lying liars, manginas, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, PUA, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 1,130 Comments.
I certainly can’t see any flaws in that plan whatsoever.
Frankly, David, you might as well shut your blog down now.
If feminists are so evil, why do they need to lie to make us look bad?
This is one of those “I really can’t tell if they believe themselves” moments.
“[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this…
We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.”
These men are EVIL! They’re basically trying to manipulate us the way men always have: By saying that if we don’t conform to what they want and submit to them, then they won’t love us. Well FUCK THEM! That’s not love anyway! We need their “love”! We love ourselves! We each other! They’re nothing but bullshit that we don’t need! Long live the sisterhood! Down with the patriarchy! (That’s why lesbianism is so threatening to them. They want to hold an emotional gun to our heads that says if we don’t submit, then we won’t be loved. Fuck them. FUCK THEM.)
So they’ve given up any and all pretence that their ideas can stand up on their own without needing dodgy tricks to prop them up?
Well isn’t that nice of them?
Thundercunt
Thundercunt
THUNDERCUNT
Tolkien was wrong. “Cellar door” just cannot compare with that combination.
Isn’t “What Is To Be Done” a reference to one of those intentionally bad Half Life fanfics?
Any time you have to announce how smart you are it ends badly.
The racist shitbag commenter is right though, these trolls always give themselves away eventually. There is no way they could maintain a false front.
Right. I don’t NEED to start a men’s rights activist blog to make the MRAs look bad! They seem to be doing just fine all by themselves.
Also, if Twisty Faster and that Die Cis Scum guy on Tumblr haven’t destroyed feminism yet, I’m pretty sure the MRM’s faux-feminists won’t either.
Alsoalso, Frost’s parody was quite good until halfway through (the “modest proposal” bit). Uuurgh, dude, stick the landing!
“High IQ Thundercunt” would be a great band name.
(pssst…everyone…Boadie is the mole. Just a heads-up.)
Hey, let’s all set up fake MRM websites to make the MRAs look bad! We can write articles about how women’s suffrage has led to the downfall of the West and hold fundraisers to promote terrorist acts against feminists!
Oh wait…
Funny, their scheming reminds me of this article I read the other day… http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/
So, “Sex and the City”. Why do these idiots bring up “Sex and the City” as though it were an essential text of feminism?
Oh, it’s because “feminism” = “anything women like that I don’t”.
Thanks for the heads-up, though, David. I’ll make sure not to blindly agree with anyone calling themselves a feminist.
…You know, the way I always did before.
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Beware the High-IQ Thundercunt, for she shall come down on you with great intelligence, and furiously coherent arguments, and you shall know that she is a feminazi on her neutering way!!!!
Well then, totally cocked that up. the post was:
“Wheels within wheels!”
But clearly the hamsters are all out to lunch
“We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs.”
I died
“High-IQ Thundercunt”
Beware the High-IQ Thundercunt, for she shall come down on you with great intelligence, and furiously coherent arguments, and you shall know that she is a feminazi on her neutering way!!!!
I can’t help but think WITBD is a “false flag” MRA, but that may just be Poe’s Law in action.
@Holly
But how will you distinguish one echo from another?!!! Doomed, all doomed!!
I especially liked the dig at grad student’s writing ability. It’s like they have no idea what being a grad student is about.
Crumbelievable- You bring up a point. If they wanted to discredit feminism, they shouldn’t use sockpuppetry that will do nothing but backfire.The best way to do it would be to start up a Manboobz type blog. “Women’s Equality- I Mock It.”
What would a Bizarro Manboobz blog be called? “Axewoundz?”
Nevermind! Answered my own question! It should be called “THUNDERCUNTZ”.
OH GOD I HOPE THIS TAKES OFF I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE FAKE FEMINIST BLOGS! And the fake feminist blogs linking to each other, and commenting on each other, and… OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE.
@Shadow, I read your Thundercunt bit in the voice of Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction (“and furrriously coherent arguments”).
“We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way).” That will never not be funny. They’re so objectively better and smarter in every conceivable way that they have lost all of the country’s institutions (except the blogs). For incompetent ninnies, we run awfully good conspiracies.
Ozy, of all the blogging RadFems With a Capital RADFEM, I actually have respect for Twisty, in a bizarro “best of my foes” way. She’s no femonade or dirtywhiteboi, at least. Still batshit and toxic, but, I dunno, it’s like I have favorite conservatives. Same deal.
Now, the sheer gall of her being an upperclass richy living off daddy’s money on her ranch with a jillion horses and such and pontificating bout the revolution, well… Again, I said I have favorite conservatives.
David–Requesting a Thundercunts t-shirt offering.
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
I’m now wondering if I could do a Bizarro PUA blog. I’ve probably read enough Roissy…
someone give me a topic!
Zhinxy: I will give Twisty credit– she has a way with words and she’s quite often funny, which is a good trait in a radfem. Nothing worse than a humorless asshole, after all.
Ozy – How to game in supermarkets – Specifically the 15 items or less aisle.
Thundercunts HO!
Because the speed aisle is the best place to pick up fast women, amiright or amiright?
Pretty sure this guy only thinks of women as sex toys and babymakers, since apparently he can’t think of a single non-sex-toy, non-baby-making benefit of feminism for women. Psst, hey buddy: if you leave the room, we still exist! Sometimes we even talk amongst ourselves!
I’ve actually thought it might be fun to do some kind of comedy with the kind of straw feminism MRAs think feminism actually is. You know, a character who actually hates all men and advocates for the kind of world where men are imprisoned/put to death for speaking anything bad about a woman.
Bizarro Manbooz = Chikdix?, wymynballz?, wymyntestez?
Actually, same goes for our would-be parodist. Hahaha, male feminists! The sex that they are clearly after is going to be terrible sex! This person has not even considered that male feminists might be interacting with women in a way that does not involve direct penis contact.
What a terrible idea. Lying about feminism to make feminists look bad? First of all, there is no need. If feminism is great, there is no need to make it look bad, and if it’s bad, then just repeat the truth about it and you’ll win. Second, lying about something/someone will make you look bad in the end (even if they are an asshole and deserve to be ridiculed).
Game in the fifteen items or fewer aisle is a classic example of Day Game. Day Game is a subtle art: the high-quality negs you need to get through a woman’s full bitch shield at night would send her whimpering during the day. However, for aspiring PUAs who are not getting one-night-stands at night, it’s often ideal: you’ll meet fewer masculinized sluts and more shy quality girls, and you’ll get flaked less.
Opening at the fifteen items or fewer line, however, does require a basic DHV: with only five minutes to start a conversation, you’ll want to get those gina tingles flowing freely. If she’s not intrigued, she’ll forget about you by the time she puts her groceries in the car.
A situational opener is probably your best bet. Consider a witty comment on the tabloid girls (“that Angelina Jolie is not for me, too skinny”– also a subtle disqualifier!) or on what she’s buying (“peanut butter, bread, and jelly? I’ve been reading the Art of French Cooking too!”– deliver with complete sincerity). However, if you can’t think of a witty one, a standard Roosh V elderly opener, such as “do you think the organic or the locally grown tomatoes are better?” will do.
The most important thing to remember is the three-second rule. You see a girl, you’re hitting on her three seconds later. Feel your masculine energy. Women should not remain unbothered around you.
On an unrelated note, pls 2 have cute puppy just like that. Look at that face! D’awwwwwwwww
@Zhinxy
Femonade!!! OMG, that woman slayed me!! The two posts that stood out so much that I still remember were the one she wrote about how weight-lifting men are just exercising their misogyny in making sure that they’re bigger than women, and the on she wrote saying that if you really loved women you would never have PIV sex with them because of the risk of HPV. The second was particularly funny because her argument was since most women don’t orgasm from PIV, PIV is just for men. And when a woman came on and said that she enjoyed PIV with her boyfriend, the blogger had a particularly hilarious failed attempt at convincing her otherwise lolll
@Ozy
If you were to write a post entitled “On Gaming an Alpha”, I shall owe you one sundae with cherry and/or other fruit/s of your choice
OZY – Excellent! I could have stood for a tangent about Herbs or other poor sucker betas and how you’ll see their suffering all around you, but Roissy may have spoiled me.
@Shadow, as far as I can tell, Femonade’s whole bag is to take Dworkin’s critiques of PIV in Intercourse, and then make those already rather batshit arguments into exactly what every anti-feminist who straws Dworkin claims they are. Het Sex really IS Evil Rape, Dammit! Also, to hate trans women worse than Mary Daly, if that were even possible.
Also, the line about peanut butter, bread, jelly and french cooking actually could be very funny.. I might use it myself, I mean, I’ve always had luck teasing people of both genders as a way to break the ice, when I’m in my more social mode, and how precisely it turned into the PUA “SCIENCE OF NEGGIN!” I still am puzzled.
Shadow: Alpha male or alpha female? Those are two substantially different articles.
Zhinxy: Your wish is my command, my darling. *clears throat*
Your pulsing masculine energy should stand out against the waves of herbs with messenger bags and dogs in their strollers, cute Asian girlfriend by their side, or of supplicating betas who see a girl like that, stay silent, and masturbate furiously when they get home as tears drip out their eyes. Worse, if you’ve eschewed Whole Foods for a prole grocery store, you’re likely to see the fattened thunderthighs of the underclass waddling to the checkout counter. Get the hot girls early before they’re destroyed by thugboy cock and HoHo’s.
Maybe Hugo Schwyzer (Asshole) is an black ops MRA?
Please do this oh please oh please oh please.
This:
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism.
pretty much sums up why this idea will fail. If you’re not even going to bother to find out what feminism means, you’re not going to make a very convincing fake feminist.
I mean, trolls already try this on Manboobz from time to time. They come on all, “Hey, I sure hope men die except the alphas who want us for their harems, Cosmo Magazine Sex and the City amirite girls?” and everyone just stares. I would love it if one of these goofballs tried to start an entire fake feminist site, but frankly they’re probably too lazy.
Unless… the entire MRA movement is a prank? That would make me feel so much better about humans.
OZY – thankyou! Now it’s perfect! Brava!
Has this guy never seen a Bond movie? You don’t reveal your insidious plan before you’ve actually done anything.
Zhinxy: I’m proud of that one. Racism, classism, sexism AND fatphobia! If only I’d figured out a way to work in ableism…
Feminists are evil! So evil we must form a movement to fight them!
But not so evil that we can convince sane people that feminists are evil, so we must impersonate them on the Internet!
Impersonating feminists on the Internet is an invaluable use of our time and resources! Nothing we could do would be more helpful to men than this!
…There’s something not quite right about this plan…I can’t put my finger on it…
The entire movement really is dictated by Insane Troll Logic
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic
The fact that he doesn’t know what one feminist accusing another feminist of not being feminist enough looks like is proof that he has never read anything from a feminist blog/comment section.
Honestly, I’m not sure this plan is as bad as it appears to be on the surface. I mean, these guys have already done a terrific job discrediting the Men’s Rights Movement, so they clearly have the requisite skill set to pull this off.
Now I really, really, really want to see what they come up with. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of feminist blogs out there and therefore a lot of completely-off-the-wall feminist blogs out there, so narrowing down which one is fake is like narrowing down which “Sonic the Hedgehog” fan bloggers don’t really like Sonic the Hedgehog. It’s difficult only because it’s pointless.
I think this is a great idea in theory, but I dread the possiblity that it might turn out to be kind of sad and lame in performance. These guys think they live in a world in which sheer determination can overcome all obstacles, and in which a conviction that you are right makes you right. Unluckily for them, they live in a world where obstacles eat determination with cookies for tea, and in which not knowing what you’re talking about makes you less interesting in the long run (though it may provide you with a boost at the start).
I still hope for wonderful things, don’t get me wrong. But age and experience have rendered me skeptical.
That having been said, Ozymandias deserves not only his own blog but his own internet. In his case I’m not willing to add “JMO” b/c in his case I don’t think it’s just my opinion but the stern and utter truth.
@Ozy
Alpha male please *flutters eyelashes*. I then suggest we go around to PUA blogs and post Ozy’s post and watch the meltdown against feminazi conspiracies!!
@burgundy
huzzah for conveying tone. I had to physically drag my hand away from the keyboard to stop myself typing bout muthafuckin snakes on muthafuckin planes causing the destruction of Western society as we know it
Ozy, you’re terrifying.
@bekabot
Ozy identifies as zie and runs “No Seriously, What About The Menz?”
@ Shadow:
That was a generic “he”. (I’m still using the grammatical rules I was brought up with, out of laziness as much as anything else.) No offense was meant.
@bekabot
Oh, I didn’t think you were trying to be offensive, I still use he/she myself when I’m unsure. The reason I mentioned it is because Ozy identifies as genderqueer so the pronoun zie is an intrinsic part of zir identity. It was just an FYI
I would like to take this opportunity to shamelessly plug the singular “they” for use in cases of unknown pronoun preferences. I’m in favor of it.
Hugo “A. Hole” Schwyzer, in my opinion, could be a model for these guys.
Yes, MRAL, you don’t like Schwyzer. Neither do I. Can we move on, please?
MRAL, it’s time to leave.
You’re acting trollish, and you said you didn’t want to troll. But honestly, there’s not much for you to do here but troll, because you sure as hell don’t seem to be interested in mocking and dissecting misogyny.
So go somewhere else. Go find a video game board, a college-students board, a funny pictures board. Find other people with whom you can talk about other things. If you’re done trolling (and you’re not about to start seriously participating in anti-misogyny discussion), there’s no reason for you to stick around Manboobz. And the longer you do, the quicker you backslide into your old trolly habits.
Hey, I’ve mocked misogyny a little bit here, I just don’t like doing it all the time because it implies that misandry is not an equally valid problem. David should post more misandrist stuff and I could dissect that.
Wow, I really didn’t know MRAL hated Hugo Schwyzer. He hides it so well!
Bingo. If mra dudes have a valid case, there be no need for them to make shit up.
You’re telling me they got to make up shit to prove their case? Proof positive their side of the story is weak. Desperate dudes.
David’s blog, David’s topic; which you’ll notice he has laid out nicely at the right margin for you.
You’ve switched from a troll who only believes half of what he says, to a troll that believes all of it. I don’t consider it an improvement, personally.
Time for our update on the book o larnin’ This portion will be
“In war, women act as “cheerleaders” for both sides at once, goading otherwise peaceful men to fight. These women have no political goals or opinions; they just like watching men die.”
By now you’ve all seen isolated clips of the Egyptian woman in the blue bra being beaten. Here’s the whole video.
As you can plainly see the men are beaten equally as bad, in fact she is taken away for her protection from further beatings. Egyptian women took to the streets wiht the rallying cry of… “Drag me, strip me. My brother’s blood will cover me.”
A most telling rally cry. She wasn’t “stripped” anymore than the man laying next to her was. She was basically beaten equally as bad as the men were, yet the media on the left, middle and right called only “her” beating an atrocity. A crime against humanity. A violation of human rights.
“One” woman suffered and the world cared.
Thousands of men suffered and the world shrugged.
Where were all these women when it was only men being beaten up to that point?
Weren’t they willing to have their sisters blood shed for men?
Women on the left, middle and right all pledged to spill men’s blood for their protection.
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“Judaism is a nationality.”
If I say Jewish is a faith I’ll be wrong. If I say Jewish is a race I’ll be wrong. Either way I lose so I guess feminists wins this one.
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“Portugal and Spain are populated mostly by brown people.”
Although I don’t recall ever saying as such, I’ll have to agree I did since feminism is never wrong. This is again an unwinnable statement. If I say they’re white I’m wrong, if I say they’re brown I’m wrong. I lose by default again.
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“In the story of Jesus saving the adulteress from stoning, the moral is that sinners deserve to be stoned.”
No, it’s don’t stone the sinner but forgive her. The tricky part that eludes feminists is the go and sin no more part. Feminists prefer to strip in public slutwalk parades, acting like animals in heat while demanding praise for their debased culture and lack of control.
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“The United States is a communist dictatorship. If it were a free country, people wouldn’t have to pay taxes or get licenses to drive.”
A drivers license is completely useless. I drove for seven years without one. It doesn’t mean anything. But far more important then your childish rant is our communist dictatorship. In case you haven’t heard the emperor had signed the NDAA.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/with-reservations-obama-signs-act-to-allow-detention-of-citizens/
Well he signed it with reservations of course, making it alrighty! Some of the things you might not know that make you a suspected terrorist, worthy of indefinite military detention. Owning either 2 or, 2 or more guns, I forget which. Also “stockpiling” more than 7 days worth of food. There’s a host of other things but I’ll leave it up to feminist wisdom to root them out and decide if it’s a good thing. All hail the emperor!!!
NWO, you’re in the wrong thread.