Misogyny to the Maxd: Women are “liabilities in our technological culture.” Also, they’re fat.
Eeerything started going to hell when we let them wear bloomers and ride bicycles.
Oh boy. Over on The Spearhead, the good old trusty Spearhead, a fella called Rmaxd has some bold new ideas to share with the world.
Well, they’re not really new, or bold, or true, and some of them kind of seem to contradict each other. But they are, indisputably, ideas. And because he’s a dude, they’re automatically good, because dudes are the dynamic, creative force behind all historical progress. So it’s no wonder this comment of his got more than two dozen upvotes.
Rmaxd starts off by addressing the manginas of the world, and every man who might be considering the benefits of manginahood:
Grow some balls, be masculine, & these so called feminists have zero power
Because NATURE.
We always revert to our biology & nature, over idealism, this is why feminism is dead in the water
And NATURE says women should stay home and cook and pop out babies.
Women in our society are so fucked up, precisely because they rejected their biological need to be part of a society, through their children, husbands & a family
It’s time for a little thought experiment.
Imagine if men were no longer engineers & soldiers & scientists, imagine the biological havoc they would cause on society, all that intellectual brilliance channelled on society, on the loss of their biological roles, instead of as engineers, soldiers & scientists
I’m having a little bit of a hard time imagining, because that doesn’t make any fucking sense. Is he suggesting that the world would collapse if more dudes stayed home and tended the kids?
But never mind, because Rmaxd is on to his next point, which is that women are terrible at math and this makes them OBSOLETE!
In a technology based society, women are the first to be discarded, their lack of scientific & mathematical skills are a liability to our technological culture
Also, they’re lazy and don’t invent shit. Even though by keeping them at home and denying them education the men of the world gave them ample opportunity to invent all sorts of shit, they chose instead to sit on their fat asses and eat bon bons.
Women have in fact been stayathome moms for centuries, theyve NEVER had to work for centuries, they have now had centuries of shelter & protection from corporations, theyve had massive amounts of leisure, in fact more leisure then most working males through out history
& what did women do with that leisure, with all that time & opportunity to progress science?
Women became biological luddites, they became entitled, inbred & backwards & technologically liabilities in our present technologically based age
When women should’ve been developing technologies to makeup for their inability to logic & reason, in the same way men developed music & art in order for men to experience emotions, all they did was call for young men to destroying their own futures, to be used as walking wallets & chattle
You can tell how innovative Rmaxd is, because he’s totally just innovated a new way to spell “chattel.”
Anyway, QED, fuck women.
Women are liabilities, we no longer need women to maintain our social networks, we have everything from mobile phones to the internet
Huh. Declaring half of humanity expendable. I was under the impression that MRA dudes considered that sort of thinking to be the equivalent of committing GENOCIDE. Seems some of them were making a big stink about that the other day, when a couple of ladies made some similar remarks about men.
Weird. Because MRA dudes are upvoting this, instead of gathering together in angry mobs on the internet to EXPOSE this dude’s personal information and talk about Fucking His Shit Up.
Never mind, though, because Rmaxd isn’t done with his case against ladies.
We no longer need them to maintain morality, as theyre incapable of morality, a womans ability to destroy herself, in the same fat women destroy their own bodies, is unprecedented, give a woman enough leisure & freetime, & all she’s capable of is how to enslave all of society, to ensure society does the same for women everywhere, irrespective of the results
Damn. So women getting fat is part of a sinister plot to enslave mankind?
This all sounds pretty dire for us civilization-creating dudes.
Happily, as Rmaxd explains in another comment, the ladies are so crazily self-destructive that they will fail in their evil designs, despite “being bankrolled by the rich upper class.” Just like the evil radical blacks back in the 1970s:
[W]omen are following the black activism handbook of the 70′s. …
[N]ear the end of the black movement, as the more mainstream, publicly accepted part of black militancy was rejected & debunked, the more radical components of the movement, began attacking its own supporters, in particular the white supporters of black rights, & they also started attacking blacks who were sympathetic to white males
We see the exact same thing happening with feminism, as the more popular & acceptable parts of feminism have now been rejected by popular culture, ie the colossal failure of stayathome dads
Because nothing is more evil and against NATURE than stay-at-home dads! It’s like sodomy squared.
Anyway, the evil ladies are doomed.
They now start becoming more radical, their antagonism & alienation of men, especially manginas & feminists will inevitably destroy them
As we all know women & especially special rights movements, are always self destructive, as the solutions are never radical enough.
So back to the homes, ladies, where you can return to fulfilling NATURE’s role for the females of the species: sitting on your fat asses and eating bon bons and being terrible at math. Because that is nature’s way.
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Posted on December 29, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, hypergamy, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, manginas, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, white knights. Bookmark the permalink. 518 Comments.
Sir!
I’m a “stayathome dad”. I weight train with my daughter. I also teach her science, mathematics, and Japanese. Thanks to a rough up-bringing, by ability and competence in the use of lethal force in self-defense has been empirically proven. I can skin a deer, gut a fish, and offer intelligent criticism of modern literature. To question my “manhood” is to reveal oneself as an idiot; on par with insisting that the Sun orbits the Earth and the Moon is made of cheese. So tell me again what being a “stayathome dad” means about my testicles?
They’re also apparently really loud.
About Artemisia, there was apparently a movie made about her that portrayed her rape as a consensual love affair. That feels extra-sleazy to me.
I don’t think we’ll ever have flying cars simply because of the air traffic control nightmare. Picture what kind of drunk driving accidents we’d have if those cars had been airborne
MRAL,
For what it’s worth I don’t think you’re trolling. I just think you’re very wrong and not much used to meta meta and above thinking.
I know this thread is now far past the gender wars of my cats, but I just wanted to report that Loki wandered into the room, saw Athena sleeping on top of the couch, and immediately had to jump on the furniture until he was seated higher than she was. And that wasn’t enough for him, apparently, because now he’s on top of the TV and trying to transition to the mantle.
Ray Percival – Sir – I find your conduct in this Debate to be laughable. Even your Feminist Cronies turn against you and the Light fades into Darkness, sending you fleeing in terror from the deepening Shadows of your own Ignorance.
He says we have no technical skills, and therefore we should invent something to make up for our shortcomings. How could we invent something like that, though, without logic, reason, or technical skills?
Rmaxd shouldn’t contradict himself when he accuses women of being illogical.
@Dad 2 Boys: What’s with the capitalization? Your sentences look like they’ve been constructed from song titles lol.
@Noadi
“I hate to agree with him but MRAL is almost certainly right that a higher percentage of inventions were developed by men than women. This however is because women were largely denied the opportunities and education necessary”
First off, since only the elite had opportunity for education in the bad old days, both elite men and women were educated. So any inventions from the lower caste was done on their own.
Second, how can you possibly make the assumption that women would’ve invented more? Since of the lower class (pretty much everyone denied formal education) who invented, men are overly represented. If you can’t make an assumption one way (men invented more because of x), You can’t make the assumption (women didn’t invent as much because of x).
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@ozymandias42
“I dunno, guys, I think that saying “women did too invent lots of important things,” while true, tends to erase women’s historical oppression.”
Women were never oppressed. You state “historical oppression of women” as if it were a fact when it’s clearly false. For every woman “locked in a home” there was a man laboring in a mine, working as logger, ect. And if ya wanna show me the one or two examples of women working in a mine I’ll show you a thousand examples of men working in a mine.
Here oh historically oppressed, Ozy. I’ll give you a choice. You can either be locked in the home for domestic duty drudgery, or you can work in a mine for a pitance to support your family knowing full well you’re gonna die of black lung. There’s nobody here that’s gonna go with the black lung choice. How about fallin off a log in the river? Sometimes you come up, sometimes ya don’t.
Ya can’t just point to the men at the top and the women and the bottom. I can just as easily point to the women and the top and the men at the bottom. When I do that, all men were historically oppressed by women. Got it my pampered little princess.
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Oh, the Ada Lovlace screed. Wasn’t all her work based off of a man’s work? Two men I believe. She was a translator of their work. Why is when a man builds off a womans work,(all computer algorithims are owed to Ada) she needs to be recognized. Yet if a woman does the same, (Ada built off of their work) those men don’t get any recognition? How do we know she didn’t steal their work as all you gals are so keen to believe men have stolen womens ideas thru history?
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What about all the inventions men have invented at home? Ben Franklin was self taught? A coupla years of grade school. Write brothers. Bell. The list of invention by men from their homes is endless. Women were locked in the home. Isn’t that an advantage?
Apple, the 1st home comp. Done in a garage, no help by anyone. Everybody’s a facebooker. Two guys just up and did it. No help was given. No encouragement. Even in the modern era loads of inventions are done in the home.
The vast majority of State funding goes to women in education. 58% of college grads are women and money is poured into the womens only education coffers. Womens encouragement programs, womens confidence programs, womens salary bargaining programs. On and on it goes. Still men account for the majority of inventions with no extra help and no encouragement.
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Everyone here says oh you guys can’t bring up other men from the past because that isn’t you. Well all I see is everyone here bring up women in the past. Well guess what? That ain’t you. So don’t bring em up.
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Ya can’t just say, men have invented a lot of great stuff and we sure are happy they did. No. It’s gotta be women were oppressed this and women were victims that. Men held us back. Men are bad. Everything’s gotta be a combat. You can’t wait to cry “oppressor.” Women are “victims.”
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Maybe instead of spewing your standard hate. You might wanna try a different tact.
Yeah, I agree. Some women were able to get past the barriers and do shit, but the barriers were still (are still) there.
Take Felix and Fanny Mendelssohn – brother and sister, both musical prodigies. As children both were encouraged to compose, but when they grew up it was Felix who became the famous composer and conductor while Fanny got married and stayed at home. And when her work was published it was under her brother’s namr, because it wouldn’t do to have a woman’s name in print.
And then there was Alma Mahler, a young woman whose much older and already famous composer husband Gustav asked her to give up composing because he couldn’t bear to compete with her.
Neither of these women composed masterpieces, of course, because it’s fucking hard to write a symphony in between domestic tasks (and pretty depressing to write one that will never, ever be played), but who the fuck knows what they would have done if their families and cultures hadn’t stifled their creativity? And the kicker is, these are the ones we know about. How many more failed to get even this far?
While this is indeed good advice, may I ask why you’re talking to yourself in your posts here, NWO?
Yes NWO, women are evil and oppress men and stuff. Anything else?
Oh look, while I was writing that, NWO showed up!
Hi NWO! Long post you made there. Don’t you have anything better to do, like drowning yourself in a bucket?
@KristinMH: Where on earth would he find a bucket big enough to hold his big head?
And btw NWO, Ada Lovelace was deemed the first computer programmer. Programmers use compilers and engines to make programs. You do know that right?
Also it’s “try a different TACK”, not “tact”. As in, turning a boat, not showing restraint and good manners:
http://www.english-for-students.com/Take-A-Different-Tact.html
NWO,
What is it that we call that process where somebody builds on another’s work, improving, expanding it, and adding to human knowledge. There HAS to be a word for it…
Oh yeah!!! Science. So basically she added to human knowledge in the same way as every other scientist ever. Huzzah!!
Ada Lovelace was the world’s first computer programmer.
NWOSlave fixes milk machines.
Somebody’s jealooooooooooooooooooooooooous…
@NWO
that’s nice
@Spearhafoc
I totally forgot about that car, I saw a piece on it on some show, I think it was Top Gear.
@everyone else
fully agree about the difficulties. Creating a workable, and mass marketable, flying car will be nothing compared to restructuring our whole infrastructure to make using them a viable mainstream option. Even if it won’t happen in the next few decades, though, I think it is possible to see the beginning stages of implementation in my lifetime
Good question, Lauralot! I should have suggested that NWO drown himself in a rain barrel. Though really I’m not picky XD
Lauralot,
I want him to go on about Admiral “Amazing” Grace Hopper next! That’ll be gold.
@Ray Percival
What? No HUZZAH for men? That’s how ya know you’re wedded to an ideology of hate. HUZZAH for hatred!
KristinMH, you have inspired me.
Say say NWOSlave
Could you call it a night
We all know you’re not right
Block yourself from this site
Drown in a rain barrel
Fall through a cellar door
And we will not bother you
Any more – more – more!
I don’t really care about flying cars, what I do hope to see are personal robot assistants. That way the MRAs can go off with their ladybots and leave us alone, and I can have someone to listen to me ramble and rant about various topics.
I hope they look like the NS4’s from I,Robot http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_25548.jpg
@Lauralot
I keep telling you I’ve never seen a milk machine or cow close up. But you’re a feminist so facts don’t matter. Hate is all you know.
Hate is all you know.
It’s like you have these slivers of self-awareness, but then you have to direct it back at us because you can’t bear to comprehend what a dick you are.
Well to be fair the stuff that was invented by men was pretty damn awesome. Light bulbs are pretty handy. Good enough for you, NWO?
NWO, who are the “Write” brothers? Did they invent pens or something?
Of course it’s not good enough, Joanna; he won’t be satisfied until we admit (in writing, in ALL CAPS) that women are inferior in every way and personally volunteer to be sex slaves.
NWO,
The Huzzah was for science and all those who practice it.
Now. Tell us how the Admiral is overrated. Please?
Hey, NWO is back
How was your Christmas, NWO?
What did you invent NWO? your big juicy man brain must be brimming with ideas! perhaps a design for a sex bot that would enable you, DKM and all the other MRAs to have a sex slave with no free will?
This isn’t true. There was a lot of education among the lower classes, just not of the academic variety, it’s was practical education. Blacksmiths, farmers, coopers, boat builders, etc. were by no means uneducated, they were highly skilled at what they did. They didn’t create their inventions out of nothing, it was built on centuries of previous knowledge and skills passed down from master to apprentice.
And I really like the symphonies of Gustave Mahler, in spite of him being such a dick to his wife! Especially the 3rd, with the contralto soloist and the choir! Super long, though. Mendelssohn I’m more meh on.
@Lauralot: Nah, he’d know our willingness to be slaves was not entirely genuine.
NWO invented his incredibly stupid theory of male vs. female sexuality. Does that count?
Seeing a cow or a milk machine is an accomplishment now?
I know this thread is now far past the gender wars of my cats, but I just wanted to report that Loki wandered into the room, saw Athena sleeping on top of the couch, and immediately had to jump on the furniture until he was seated higher than she was. And that wasn’t enough for him, apparently, because now he’s on top of the TV and trying to transition to the mantle.
Totally irrelevant, but the boyfriend’s cat is also named Loki (a.k.a. Mr. Grumpyface, The Poopster, Fearsome Doom Tiger, and Kitty Kitty Fang Fang). Huzzah for obnoxious chaotic kitties. :)
NWO, get back in the lab and make me a flying car!
@Noadi
And women had equal opportunity to compete equally in those trades.
Could you compete equally with the best of men who were blacksmiths? For the same rate of piece work? Would you want to?
If the answer to any of these questions in no. Then women weren’t oppressed.
In order to help the poor menz do better in college, a recent study seems to imply we’d best get rid of football:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/jlindo/BigtimeSportsAndStudentAchievement.pdf
I feel like doing this again.
What do you like, exactly, NWOslave?
Here’s a partial list of things that make me happy, in no particular order:
Comic books (particularly DC and Vertigo)
Doctor Who
Norse mythology
Breasts
Drawing
Painting
The Pogues
Cartoons (Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, Venture Brothers, Looney Tunes, Futurama, etc)
Red hair
Women with glasses
Gilbert and Sullivan
Various Internet review shows (Nostalgia Chick, Linkara, Phelous, Cinema Snob, etc)
Movies (and other media) with over the top Nazi stereotypes in villain roles
The Room
19th century vampire literature
Sherlock
Etymologies
You’re not a big fan of logic, huh?
Slavey really needs some new material, this whole “you are wedded to an ideology of hate” stuff is getting old.
@Lauralot
Well generally inventions have to benefit society positive way somehow, so no it doesn’t x)
And let’s not forget that only recently have the laws for patents existed — so that ‘credit’ for inventions was actually made a part of the record.
MRAL, a lot of the inventions that you take for granted as minor and in the past and not counting were the foundations of the later work–a friend of mine once showed me an 800 page on the invention of the stirrup and how it revolutionized warfare and made possible a shitload of later developments, but who would go “wow stirrup cool man”? in this day and age.
And while the guys are creaming their pants over the industrial revolution and technological developments since, the ONLY way those developments could be supported was by an economic system of chattel slavery that allowed surpluses to be built up PLUS a colonial system of exploitation that got cheap raw materials and labor out of oppressed peoples.
Shove the “great man of history” up your collective asses–because nothing important is done by an individual apart from familial and social support systems that the “great man of history” methodology (which has been fairly well debunked by current historical methodologies and theories) refused to acknowledge in the past.
NWO,
Actually… Historically that’s just what happened. Granted it wasn’t horribly common but female blacksmiths did exist and were held to the same standards as the male smiths. The guilds made sure of this.
http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/spring04/women.cfm
800 page BOOK, i.e. historical monograph.
Some things that make me happy:
DC Comics (Particularly post-relaunch Supergirl, Batgirl, and Batwoman)
Christopher Nolan movies
Gingers/redheads (Unite, my brethren!)
Disney films
Harry Potter
Knitting
Baking
Snowfalls
Writing
Improving my drawing abilities
The Nostalgia Critic/The Cinema Snob/Linkara
Gail Simone
Lady Gaga
The Simpsons
Throbbing Gristle
Tom Waits
They Might Be Giants
Horror films
Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Musicals
South Park
Positive representations of asexuals in fiction
Manboobz
The legalization of gay marriage
Chopped
Making fun of Sandra Lee
Stephen King
Brown eyes
Supervillains
Well-written fanfiction
Mittens
Getting someone a gift that makes their face light up
Hufflepuff House
Chocolate cake
Really bad movies
Star Wars
And also the movie Caligula. Watching it is my birthday tradition (I share a birthday with him).
@Lauralot: Nostaglia Critic is great
Didn’t NWO once expand his “women were never oppressed” theory to say that no minority groups have ever been oppressed? I’m hoping I imagined that.
I don’t know if it’s possible to get an answer for this: but WHY is the “men invented everything important” so important to…..men?
I mean, the vast majority of mass and serial murderers as far as we know are men, but you don’t hear the “we are murderous thugs who are more likely to be murderers than women are” that often.
Why not? One seems as applicable as the other.
The vast majority of people (MEN and WOMEN) neither invent anything nor murder anyone.
What need does this “we hunted the mammoth”/”we invented everything important” serve for you all (especially since the feminists aren’t buying it and can supply lots of counter evidencee)?
@Crumbelievable: Well, considering his comments about the Holocaust, that sounds plausible…I really hope not, though.
Should have said: to SOME of the men, the ones who keep dragging it into the discussion.
No they didn’t, women were generally barred from the apprentice system. If you aren’t allowed to become an apprentice in a trade then you don’t have the opportunity to learn it do you? Some women did learn men’s trades, from their fathers since they couldn’t be apprenticed out, but most women were stuck with the trades that were allowed to women such as weaving, dressmaking, etc.
By the way you picked the wrong person to make that challenge to. I work with my hands every single day as a jewelry designer (as girly as that sounds it involves a lot of physical work, including forging metal). The only blacksmith I know, who used to shoe my family’s horses back when my grandfather was alive is a woman. I grew up working in my grandfather’s leather shop, I was throwing around full cowhides of tooling leather and helping build saddles and harnesses by the time I was 10 years old. I love working with my hands, blacksmithign would be right up my alley.
“I don’t know if it’s possible to get an answer for this: but WHY is the “men invented everything important” so important to…..men?”
Well, in MRAL’s case, given what we know about him, I’d guess that he probably defaults to this when for whatever reason he’s feeling insecure and needs to bolster his self esteem. That may be applicable to men as a group too – certainly in my experience none of the really accomplished men who’re happy with their lives that I know ever talk this way, only the ones who’re insecure for one reason or another, and who feel a need to have something that gives them an advantage over women.
@Ray Percival
But if there were women who competed equally in these fields. Doesn’t that contrary to ideology which tells us women didn’t have that opportunity? I guess women weren’t oppressed after all. There were just far less of them in a given field due to either being unable to compete equally or because of personal choice.
So which is it? Were women oppressed or weren’t they?
He plagiarized it from some some man, so no.
Could you compete equally with the best of women who worked in textiles? For the same rate of piece work? Would you want to?
If the answer is no, then men weren’t oppressed.
What makes you happy, NWO?
I should at MST3K to my list.
I like:
– A Song of Ice and Fire
– Thomas Pynchon
– Thomas Pynchon’s funny Jeff Bridges voice
– David Foster Wallace
– Amy Hempel’s short stories
– Olivia Wilde
@Noadi
But Ray just gave me a link saying women were able to acquire these jobs if they so chose or compete equally. Which is it?
I also like Alton Brown and the Rankin-Bass Christmas Movies.
And Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Those illustrations shall forever haunt me.
It’s almost as if you think that because poor men were oppressed that somehow magically means women weren’t as well.
Hey, at least those poor men (except the black ones) could vote.
Currently making me happy – loud metal and punk music. Though there’s a bittersweet edge to that since I keep remembering that the band’s singer passed away much too young.
(Higher suicide rates among men – an actual problem that you’d think men’s rights activists would focus a lot more attention on.)
What do you like, NWO?
I like macaroni and cheese, cinnamon toast, hugs, sweaters when it’s cold out, cookies fresh out of the oven, the smell of gasoline, the noise receipt printers make, the sound of a sewing machine or scissors slicing through cloth, wrapping presents, petting cats…
“But if there were women who competed equally in these fields. Doesn’t that contrary to ideology which tells us women didn’t have that opportunity?”
But if there were women who competed equally in these fields, doesn’t that contrary to ideology which tells us women didn’t have that opportunity?
Punctuation. Use it properly.
@Leni
Exactlly! You finally understand. Neither men nor women were oppressed in the past. Ever. That’s exactly it. They both did the jobs they were capable of doing, chose to do, or were forced to do due to unfortunate circumstances. There was no oppression.
@Cassandra: Currently the music kick I’m on (industrial) is making me afraid to fall asleep. I keep thinking I’ll have nightmares about the subjects of the songs.
Suicide rates are higher among men simply because I think men are sadder than women. It’s much easier to be completely without emotional validation as a man, or completely alone, or feel like an disgusting failure. MUCH easier, and I think this is where the rate disparity comes from.