Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:
[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.
These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?
But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.
So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.
But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.
So let me share with you some preliminary findings.
Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)
Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:
Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
Another adds:
I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.
Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!
But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:
There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.
That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)
Still another adds:
This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.
Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?
Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.
You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!
Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!
Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.
She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.
CARRIER.
REBOOTING.
FLUSHING CACHE.
Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.
That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.
I will return to this topic later, after I recover.
In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:
This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.
A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.
I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.
MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.
Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?
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Owlslave if vawa is so obviously violates men’s constitutional rights, how come that wasn’t addressed when scotus examined its constitutionality?
hint: you don’t have a constitutional right to be wherever the fuck you want just because you want to be there. if due process is satisfied, due process is satisfied.
hint 2: despite what you may have been told by people who were making shit up, disparate impact is not a basis for a XIV Am. claim.
Marxantimisandry said:
Uh, no, YOU’RE the one who connected yourself to that site. The quote in question comes from antimisandry.com. Your name here references that site. Your gravitar is the logo from that site. Your name links to that site. You wrote two articles on the front page of that site. According to your profile there you’ve posted 17,874 comments on that site.
Also, the comment I quoted from there specifically references the slutwalks and, in particular, the comment from the policeman that led to them in the first place — ie, he said if women didn’t dress like sluts they would be less likely to be raped. The commenter in question was relating the topless woman to the slutwalks. That was, after all, the whole point of the thread.
And again, Marx, you came here claiming that MRAs weren’t saying several specific things, and that we were misrepresenting them by claiming that they were. I find it impossible to believe that you haven’t run across MRAs saying those things, but whatever, I and several others offered proof that numerous MRAs DO in fact say those things. Instead of responding to that, you’ve argued over one piece of that evidence,which you in turn have misrepresented.
Then you made a bunch of unproven, incorrect assertions about me.
So, yeah, I guess I agree that further discussions with you are probably pointless.
Oh, and NWO, laws often use male pronouns, for simplicity’s sake and because male is sort of considered the default gender. It is understood that these laws apply to women as well. And indeed VAWA makes that explicit.
That doesn’t count! Those aren’t real callouses! Probably if they weren’t such lazy manatees doing make-work they’d have hand callouses like real men. It’s just dry skin or something. ;D
NWO said,
NWO, both men and women can obtain temporary restraining orders against their abusers. Here is a quote from Katherine Greenier of the Women’s Rights Project at the Virginia chapter of the ACLU. She said,
from a guest post at feministe.
Sometimes receiving a restraining order quickly is a matter of life or death. Victims in dangerous situations shouldn’t have to wait for safety from an abuser who intends to kill them. The most vulnerable time for victims of ipv is the when they first leave their abusers. Temporary restraining orders and regular orders of protection are both very important for victims, and it’s also important that they are enforced.
If a stranger threatened your life, you would expect the police to protect you and keep the dangerous person away from you. Why should it be any different for someone who needs protection from a spouse or partner?
I question your sanity I mean seriously if a bunch of white women made similar statements about latino men and women and I outed their personal information? As for MRA’s being a religious group of right wing radical, your just a plain of fashioned koolaid cultists.
Protip, troll: trying to get the last word in by necroing threads doesn’t work.
Bad grammar. Laughable screen name. Ridiculous comparison. Commenting on a thread from 2011. I give yoursexymaster -7 out of 10 points.
You people are so programed. A movement is only as strong as the sum of its parts, and radical feminism is indicative of the weakness of feminism as a whole… I could talk all day why feminism is hurting women, men, trans, etc. etc. but I’ll leave that alone and call you out on a double standard: How come if one MRA is a douche bag, all MRA’s are douche bags, but if one feminist is an insanely vitriolic, hate mongering, monster, she “doesn’t reflect the values of feminism”. Feminism, you better own up to the monster you created, and stop tending to your shitty public image.
Sup, man.
Awesome blog. I have an “anti mysoginy” blog too. It makes good money!
Cheers!
I take it you missed the ones that actually do call for genocide? A number of these people are genocidal by admission. You can downplay it all you like, but your intellectual dishonesty is in plain view to all who have read the files.
Manboobs is not interested in truth or fairness. He just toes the line of feminist dogma. Anyone here can look up Radfemhub and genocide and find articles outlining just exactly what was said.
And if you do just that you will see that Manboobz is a liar and has posted nonsense as a lame rebuttal.
In fact, these women did discuss the genocide of men and the even agreed that many women would have to be eliminated as well because they might not like their sons being executed.
It’s all out there and whenever people look for it they will stop by this thread because MB has made this thread to lie about what happened. And we will resurrect this thread and remind MB what a shameless hack he is.
Now, why are you pooping in a thread from 2011, you silly little troll? You sound like a cartoon villain.
Jean Valjean, all I’ve seen posted online have been a couple of out of context quotes. I had hoped to be able to find more context in the agent orange files but despite going through them I found nothing because they aren’t organized. I’ve gone through them again since writing this and again most of the comments I saw seemed utterly random and fairly innocuous. I couldn’t even find the genocide quotes themselves, much less any context for them.
So: show me those quotes IN CONTEXT so that I can evaluate them. If they’re in the agent orange files you should be able to pluck them out and post them or email them to me. Or link me to a source online that provides context for them.
When I quote people I provide some context for the quotes and I link to the source so that people can see the full context.
I have seen MRAs radically distort the meanings of things feminists have said through selective quotation or by not providing context, so forgive me if I don’t trust you guys to get it right. But if you can send me to the source I can see for myself.
Well, I googled “Radfemhub” and “genocide” and got nothing but MRAs frothing about it. Oh, and this thread.
So I tried “Radfemhub”, “kill”, “men”. Again, lots of MRA frothing but then RadFemNews, a now archived blog providing news reported from a Radfem perspective. Strangely, no calls for genocide or the killing of men.
So the Miserable one is full of shit. Colour me shocked.
How does one toe the line of a dogma, exactly?
There’s an obscure form of mystic choreography that might help.
About as obscure as those links and references that our unwelcome visitors constantly get wrong or can’t find.
I hope your tinfoil hat sits well. Too tight tinfoil hats can lead to terrible headaches!