The False Rape Society is shocked — shocked! — by a fraternity’s “who would you rape?” survey.
The False Rape Society is shocked and stunned that frat boys would joke about rape.
So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? – zany.
Posted on December 15, 2011, in douchebaggery, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, rape, rapey, reddit, that's not funny!. Bookmark the permalink. 1,140 Comments.
A “rape culture”? You’ve got to be shitting me!
If a person get’s wasted at a douchey frat-bro party and passes out on the couch in the basement, don’t be surprised when one of the douches does what makes them a douche. It’s like walking around in Queens or Harlem or the East Side of Detroit with giant gold chains and flashing a wad of hundreds and not expecting to get robbed. The person doing that deserves at least equal blame in the situation as the actual robber. Don’t be stupid and stupid shit won’t happen to you.
Sure, there are many instances where a rape is not committed under those circumstances. For example, my own rape at the hands of a female babysitter when I was barely old enough to even consider “sex”.
Do we live in a “robbery culture” because idiots decide to flash tons of cash in bad neighborhoods and get robbed as a result? If not, then we don’t live in a “rape culture” either.
The crazy thing is that most women don’t care if a dude has raped, killed, etc. As long as he is “hot” according to the media (and her friends of course).
Just because I am a man doesn’t give you the right to call me a rapist, or assume that I would rape given an opportunity. That’s just as stupid as a rapist saying “no means yes, yes means anal” or “he was asking for it”, etc.
College women, if you’d like to virtually eliminate your chances of being raped while at school, please don’t go to douche bag frat houses in the first place. But we all know that won’t happen because the meat-heads there work out 4 hours per day to keep 6-pack abs, big arms etc. and the ladies will have nothing less. Since so many women are literally throwing themselves at these d-bags, it’s no surprise when they start to feel entitled to nail every woman they fancy that walks through the door. That’s entitlement. A normal guy wanting to be loved and cuddled once in a while, to be able to share his life and loves with a woman, and not wanting to be lonely because he doesn’t look nearly perfect and isn’t in some douchey fraternity is NOT entitlement. Love and affection are actual human NEEDS, sex is not.
Ladies, stop thinking with the clitoris for one minute and realize that douchey frat bros are going to be just that, douchey frat bros. Don’t be surprised when they do something douchey to you or your friends. Give normal men a chance to know you, love you, car about you, think about you, show compassion for you, for once.
Ullere, you really might want to think a bit more carefully before you go there.
Well, Reddit sure debunked the CDC! I know who I trust more!
@Polliwog
There was no rape. They were both drunk and had sex. Neither party did anything wrong.
Argh, my edit got lost before posting – that should read:
“Because he consented to having sex (assuming that sex happened – pretty much by definition, at least one party involved in the sex has to choose to have sex in order for sex to happen in the first place).”
Exactly. Rape culture.
A culture where that is okay–where a significant portion of the population can’t tell the difference between “I can’t defend myself right now” and “I’d like to have sex right now”–and where an even bigger portion of the population defends it–that’s a rape culture.
You fail again: you still haven’t disclosed the crucial item that determines whether it was rape or not.
if said ‘normal guy’ starts blaming rape victims for being raped, of course, he crosses the line into amoral creep, and it’s understandable why most women would stay away from him. it’s because he’s a selfish asshole.
“College women, if you’d like to virtually eliminate your chances of being raped while at school, please don’t go to douche bag frat houses in the first place. But we all know that won’t happen because the meat-heads there work out 4 hours per day to keep 6-pack abs, big arms etc. and the ladies will have nothing less. Since so many women are literally throwing themselves at these d-bags, it’s no surprise when they start to feel entitled to nail every woman they fancy that walks through the door. That’s entitlement. A normal guy wanting to be loved and cuddled once in a while, to be able to share his life and loves with a woman, and not wanting to be lonely because he doesn’t look nearly perfect and isn’t in some douchey fraternity is NOT entitlement. Love and affection are actual human NEEDS, sex is not.
Ladies, stop thinking with the clitoris for one minute and realize that douchey frat bros are going to be just that, douchey frat bros. Don’t be surprised when they do something douchey to you or your friends. Give normal men a chance to know you, love you, car about you, think about you, show compassion for you, for once.”
Observe the thing of wonder that is these two paragraphs posted in conjunction with each other. Marvel at the level of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy that it takes to claim to be showing compassion for the women who you’ve just blamed for being raped.
Sexbots – get therapy.
A “rape culture”? You’ve got to be shitting me!
If a person get’s wasted at a douchey frat-bro party and passes out on the couch in the basement, don’t be surprised when one of the douches does what makes them a douche.
The fascinating troll art of contradicting oneself in consecutive sentences.
‘I suppose the rape apologists and rape deniers will say the CDC’s nearly 1 in 5 rape or attempted rape is a bunch of feminist lies too amirite? ‘ – while I’m not a rape apologist the CDC study is indeed inaccurate, it exaggerates the number of women raped while erasing all male and indeed female prison rape.
If a guy thinks that I deserve to be raped for going to a frat party, I don’t think he’s quite as full of caring and compassion as he thinks he is.
@Xanthe
There is no crucial item. They were drunk. They slobbered and slopped their way thru some drunken sex. No force was used. No one suffered any physical damage. How can it possibly be rape?
<I.@Polliwog
There was no rape. They were both drunk and had sex. Neither party did anything wrong.
Okay, then there was no rape. NO ONE is suggesting that if they both freely consented to sex, anyone got raped. We are saying that “they were equally drunk” is not some magical “now rape can’t happen!” card. If one of them was too incapacitated to consent (by which no one means “kind of tipsy” – we mean things like “unconscious” or “unable to move” or “unaware of their surroundings”) then that person did not consent. If one of them said “no,” that person did not consent. Both of these things are true regardless of how drunk the other person may or may not be.
i’m glad we can add epidemiologist and statistician to the list of things ullere is going to claim to be better at than professionals
Women already take precautions and adopt behavioural strategies to minimise risk, but these can fail because it is impossible to foresee all circumstances one might be put into and it is hard to be hyper-vigilant in every social situation: rape culture blames women for being paranoid when they are merely attempting to minimise risk, and likewise rape culture blames women for provoking rape when those precautions fail.
Well what if she is the initiator and He accepts her advances? Is that rape too?
Holly, do you not see how situations like these are not as cut and dry as you would like to think they are? If there is force involved then yes, it IS rape drunk or sober. But if a drunk person accepts an offer for sex from another drunk person, has intercourse, and then feels regret later on, and one accuses the other of rape, I call bullshit!
How can it possibly be rape?
If someone did not consent.
How many times do we have to answer this question?
What Polliwog said.
If two people are drunk, that doesn’t mean it’s always rape or never rape. It means that consent still matters.
So if the man and woman both said “YAY SEX!” while relatively lucid, then no, it was not rape.
If the man initiated sex and the woman did not consent (or was so drunk as for consent to be meaningless), then the man raped the woman.
If the woman initiated sex and the man did not consent (or was so drunk as for consent to be meaningless), then the woman raped the man.
@Ullere
Hmmm…who do I trust…a reddit MRA with an agenda, or a survey from a credible organization done by professionals?
and because they didn’t include prison rape, all of a sudden this renders all other conclusions this survey came too as useless?
everyone should go read this, fyi. it’s hilariously tantrum-y at the same time he’s accusing david of having a conniption, and the way harlan can twist any statement to make himself into the victim is priceless.
SexBots, while we’re on the subject of not doing stupid shit, how ’bout you not roll up in here with your victim blaming and rape apology while making all about you and your sad-sack issues (which we have all heard about at great length before), OK?
@Polliwog
“Okay, then there was no rape.”
Yet that is where “survey numbers” come from. That same survey is now considered “fact” when it’s fiction.
Sexbots said
That’s not true. Most women wouldn’t care how attractive someone is if zie is a rapist or murderer. Where did you come up with this crap?
@ quackers, no by all means read the survey and methods used for yourself. Come to your own conclusions. I simply pointed out some of the more obvious flaws. The counting of attempted rapes, attempted physical assaults towards the rape figures seems very suspicious. Either way it has come a long way from the 1 in 4 stats that are thrown around, so either great progress has been made in fighting rape or great progress has been made in reaching a more accurate figure.
Kendra, five bucks say that now he brings up serial killers having wives and women “throwing themselves” at them.
i pointed this out already, but since ullere didnt notice, there’s a very good reason this survey didn’t include prison rape- it’s not a survey of prisoners. there’s a lot of differences between inmates and the population at large that makes conflating the two silly. just because inmate-on-inmate violence isn’t within the scope of the survey doesn’t mean it ‘erases’ prison rape. that’s terrible logic.
Okay, here’s another hypothetical, NWO. Say that a woman and a man have both been drinking. The man then holds the woman down and violently rapes her against her protests.
Would you then declare it “obviously just a drunken misunderstanding, it’s feminist hysteria to call that rape” just because they were both drunk?
That’s the kind of detail your story might be missing. It’s not always subtle.
@Quackers
” Hmmm…who do I trust…a reddit MRA with an agenda, or a survey from a credible organization done by professionals?”
Do you know who these “credible” people are? What are their names? Who are they? You’re calling something “credible” without knowing if a suvey was even really taken? The fact is, you don’t know if they threw darts at a dartboard to come up with these numbers. Do you?
Says you. Not buying it. You and all other MRAs have agendas. That agenda includes trying destroy rape laws and make all women out to be liars.
Also I would say the exclusion of envelopment, prison rape and the homeless certainly causes me to doubt the male statistics in the report that 0.9% of men are raped.
maybe you should turn to page 15 where they break down all their data on rape before you start making up objections. (hint: it doesnt say what youre trying to make it say.)
@Sharculese the report say 0.9% of men are raped, while stating that men cannot be raped unless penetrated and missing out prison where alot of male rape occurs. While it is not a report on prisons the report does say how many men are raped, inaccurately.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Okay, here’s another hypothetical, NWO. Say that a woman and a man have both been drinking. The man then holds the woman down and violently rapes her against her protests.”
That is rape. And that is why, the only possible definition of rape is the use of violent force, or unconcious. Date rape that doesn’t fall under either of those categories is not rape.
Yes there is, and why don’t you say the word and be done with it? Ni!
Wow, you’ve now actually given us some context to work with – which was why you were being told . Do you know what good sex looks and sounds like compared to rape? Good sex will frequently involve the other party saying things like “go on”, or “right there”, or “more, more”, or “deeper-deeper”, or even “ohmygodthat’sbrilliant” (shameless borrowing from another poster elsewhere). So slobbering and slopping through drunken sex without force looks like in that instance it’s probably not rape, without wanting to rule out that drunken sex acts are unwise at best and there may be other context issues.
Not all drunken sex is like this though.
@Quackers I didn’t ask you to buy it, I asked you to read the report and method. But it’s alright, you are a feminist and have an agenda, etc… Nonsense.
<I.@Polliwog
“Okay, then there was no rape.”
Yet that is where “survey numbers” come from. That same survey is now considered “fact” when it’s fiction.
…erm, no, the survey numbers come from surveying people, not from a hypothetical situation you came up with. Similarly, a survey about stolen cars does not actually get its data from that analogy I used a few posts up. Go figure!
Authors
Michele C. Black, Kathleen C. Basile, Matthew J. Breiding, Sharon G. Smith
Mikel L. Walters, Melissa T. Merrick
Jieru Chen and Mark R. Stevens
Contributors
Division of Violence Prevention, CDC
Linda L. Dahlberg, Associate Director for Science
E. Lynn Jenkins, Chief, Etiology and Surveillance Branch
Thomas R. Simon, Deputy Associate Director for Science
Debra Karch, Surveillance Team Lead, Etiology and Surveillance Branch
Nimesh Patel, Information Technology Specialist, Etiology and
Surveillance Branch
James A. Mercy, Special Advisor for Global Activities
National Institute of Justice
Bernard Auchter, Senior Social Science Analyst,
Office of Research and Evaluation
Angela Moore, Division Director, Office of Research and Evaluation
Christine Crossland, Senior Social Science Analyst,
Office of Research and Evaluation
Research Triangle Institute, International
Lisa Carley-Baxter, Project Director
Susan Rooker, Associate Project Director
Christopher Krebs, Instrumentation Lead
Andy Petychev, Lead Statistician
Steven Thomas, Analyst
Lilia Filippenko, Programming Lead
Niki Mayo, Survey Specialist
Rodney Baxter, Analyst
Angela Pitts, Analyst
we went over this on the last page. it’s all there in the report you won’t read.
@NWO
I’m not going to name names for you. You can actually look at the study yourself, like I am doing. It does include statisticians, psychologists, scientists and analysts. But lemme guess, if its not from an MRA website its a lie amirite?
hahhahaha!!!
it exaggerates the number of women raped while erasing all male and indeed female prison rape.
It. Wasn’t. A. Study. About. Prison. Rape.
If someone does a study about heart disease, do you decry it for ignoring cancer?
Okay, then. Say that a woman and a man have both been drinking. The man gets on top of the woman, who doesn’t move or say anything, and has sex with her.
How in your squalid little brain is that consent?
(Then again, do you care? I get the impression that you think rape is fair play because Katherine Heigl hasn’t been beaten, or something.)
That is rape. And that is why, the only possible definition of rape is the use of violent force, or unconcious. Date rape that doesn’t fall under either of those categories is not rape.
This continues to be bullshit, no matter how many times you repeat it.
Seriously, there is no way the concept of “consent” can be this confusing to you.
@Quackers
“Says you. Not buying it. You and all other MRAs have agendas. That agenda includes trying destroy rape laws and make all women out to be liars.”
Women do lie about rape. Until you can admit this and hold those women responsible with stiff penalties, (hard time). You are the problem.
Anyway, NWO, it’s a moot point because the survey didn’t ask “have you ever had sex while drunk?” It asked if people had been raped.
Christ, I’m sure 75% of the population has had sex after a couple drinks, the fact that the survey didn’t find 75% of women have been raped should tip you off there that they were talking about actual rape.
while stating that men cannot be raped unless penetrated
Anyone else want to confirm? If this were true it would indeed be a major weakness to the study.
@NWO
not at the large amount you say they do, which usually translates to all women.
The man gets on top of the woman, who doesn’t move or say anything, and has sex with her.
NWO has never had any other kind of sex.
@katz
from the study
‘1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives’
If you remove attempted raped this reduces to 0.9%
now either your missing what this study says or you and the authors of the study do not consider prison rape to be rape.
read the line again
1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives
While it is not a study about prison rape it plainly says 1.7% of men experience rape, so I think we can conclude that the study was in part about how many men are raped.
I would also point out it leaves out college dorms, a common belief is that rape is more common while at college thus the rape figure reported here could well be under reported.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Okay, then. Say that a woman and a man have both been drinking. The man gets on top of the woman, who doesn’t move or say anything, and has sex with her.”
How do you know she didn’t enjoy it at the time?
Was it buyers remorse?
You tell me? What was it? Shall we lock up all men on a womans word and let God sort out the guilty?
Well if women lie, then why split hairs about “oh, maybe she was just drunk”? We might as well lie about violent rape while we’re at it.
You can’t even keep your different brands of rape apologism straight.
(I still don’t know why women would lie, on a survey that gives them no money and puts no one in jail, but whatever, I’m sure they were all radical feminists like so many people in the general population are.)
@ kats again
from the study
‘1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration.’
Later on the study mentions
‘Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they were made to penetrate someone else during their lifetime;’
But they do not count this as rape.
1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives
I’m missing the part where that means it had to be penetration.
Whoops, we’re posting past each other. Sorry.
NWO: Go ahead and, “up the ante”, just like the McD’s guy. The law is against you, and I’m glad. I’m against you, and I’m glad. Most of the western world is against you, and I’m glad, because it’s the way it should be.
But they do not count this as rape.
i actually disagree that being forced to penetrate should be counted as rape. but i have the maturity to realize it’s a quibble about terminology, not a methodological flaw. and considering they included the numbers anyway, what is your problem?
Yeah. We should arrest men on “a woman’s word,” the same way we arrest people on nothing but the word that they mugged someone or broke into an apartment. When for all we know they’d just received a gift or been invited in!
Ullere, my comment on the last page was referencing chapter 4 of the CDC survey. For good reason, rape or stalking committed by an intimate partner on a victim doesn’t apply to the prison population, because victims are not incarcerated with their intimate partner in prison. Rape by all parties (i.e. including intimate and non–intimate partners) is covered in chapter 2. Your reply partly directed to me up the page was thus completely irrelevant.
Second, members of the prison population become members of the general population when they have served their term of imprisonment; if they were raped in prison, and are now at liberty, then you would expect their statistics to appear in the general statistics for the entire population. That they do not – the 1 in 71 lifetime chance of rape for men does seem low – is because rape culture makes it oppressive for men to admit and be open about having been raped – they are socially stigmatised for this, and feminists largely agree that they shouldn’t be. If you want to blame feminists for this, you are looking about 180° in the wrong direction.
I still don’t get how NWO reconciles “we need to tighten the definition of rape” and “women always lie about rape.” Tightening the definition only makes sense if women are telling the truth! Otherwise they can always just change their lies.
I mean, I realize NWO is just creating stepping-stones toward proving that rape never happens and should never be prosecuted, but still, his stepping-stones could make sense.
@Quackers
Here’s the one study allowed to leak out.
http://falserapearchives.blogspot.com/2009/06/archives-of-sexual-behavior-feb-1994.html
That’s 41%. Since the definition of rape has been expanded, plus the laws protecting the accuser have also expanded. That number has to have gone up. Do you really believe with even more protection and the expanding of the definition of rape that number would go down?
NWO, that’s not how it works. If someone is accused of a crime, then zie is arrested and goes through a trial to decide if zie is guilty or innocent. Tomorrow’s lesson will be on the existence of lawyers and juries, because I don’t want to overwhelm you with too much new information in one day.
So next question: Does it define M-on-F rape as penetrative, too?
read what it includes.
‘including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration.’
not including envelopment, did you read my last post where they mention forced envelopment? 4.8% of men who are raped by envelopment are not raped in this study.
@ Sharculese
‘why would it be scientifically helpful to conflate things that are phenomenologically different?’
I see prison rape as rape, I see all rape as rape. If the study was a survey of all women except those who are poor I would think it bizarre for the study to make claims in regards to the % of all women raped.
When the study misses out the prison population where most of the penetrative rapes of men occur and indeed the homeless population who are the vast majority male and reported to be 15 time more likely to experience physical violence. To miss out the groups most likely to experience the crimes you then present statistics on is inaccurate at best.
Wow. Look what one poster wrote on FRS:
“Unfortunately, I’d say this is part of the “backlash”.
If you’ll recall that one fraternity not too long ago chanting, “No means Yes, and yes means anal”.
These young men are not rapists, they are aware that the attitude towards feminist-defined rape is a complete joke – hence, rape itself is starting to be treated as a joke as well.
And that is unfortunate, but that is what the over-zealous prosecutors and rape hysteria advocates have sparked in our society.”
Yeah, its allll because of feminism.
Unbelievable.
NWO: You are full of shit and not worth the time to reply. So here’s an article about a seal who hangs out with cats:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772980
@Holly Pervocracy
“I mean, I realize NWO is just creating stepping-stones toward proving that rape never happens and should never be prosecuted, but still, his stepping-stones could make sense.”
I told you before, violent rape should be dealt with harshly. So should false accusations. Statuatory rape is pure bullshit, the nationwide age is about to be raised to 18. The amount of men who’ll be imprisoned will skyrocket. The UN is trying to raise the universal age to 21. I can’t even imagine how many men will be imprisoned if/when that happens.
You already have the stepping stones in place to have any man incarcerated on a womans word. With the new FBI definition, rape is almost anything at all. Expect the numbers to read 1 out of every 1.1 women are raped.
Ullere, though the issue of prison rape is a real one, and one that is too often overlooked, the number of men (and women) raped in prison is far, far smaller than the number of women who are raped outside of prison. MRAs like to pretend that more men are raped in prison than women raped outside prison, but that’s simply delusional.
According to one survey cited by the anti-prison rape group Just Detention (a credible organization with absolutely no reason to lowball the number of prison rapes), some 88,500 men and women currently being held in prisons and jails have been raped at some point in the past year.(The overwhelming majority of these victims (90 percent or so) are male, largely because the overwhelming majority of prisoners are male.)
See here for more details:
http://manboobz.com/2010/11/08/further-reading-prison-rape/
By contrast, according to the new CDC survey, some 1.3 million women are raped (or have faced attempted rape) each year.
1.3 million per year vs 88,500 per year.
[EDITED to correct a misstatement.]
Certainly, douche frat bros do not constitute the majority of the population. Thank goodness. But I can see where you and most other women think that they do since most other men are not even considered as part of society because they are virtually invisible to most women exactly because they are not meat-headed frat douches.
I was in no way defending frat bag douchery.
Again, I’m defending what frat bags like to do when naive, shallow, and overly-superficial women get wasted and pass out at the animal house. Ahh, there’s the massively overused shaming word “creep” rearing it’s adolescent head again!
I like how many people here lack simple reading comprehension skills to the point of attributing things to my posts which were nowhere to be seen in said post. I never typed, or implied, that anyone “deserves” to be raped.
Yes, women like to be paranoid and try to minimize the risk of being raped by a non-top-10% male (top 10% male being: underwear model looks, rich parents, etc.) by calling them “creepy”, and doing all sorts of other juvenile actions in an attempt to shame men who are not in the top 10%.
But when there are douche baggy meat heads with “tight abs, buns, perfect teeth, square jaw, etc.” they let their guard down and rape is what may happen. Frat’s are notorious for rapes for a reason you know. That reason is because frat bags are notorious for having entitlement complexes concerning getting laid. When most women throw themselves at the frat bags, they begin to think that ALL women want to have sex with them, regardless of consent. But yet, women still gravitate towards frat bags for some reason. Why are the frat douches not “creepy”? I mean they rape right? Or is that not creepy? Only a dude who is not in peak physical condition is “creepy” right?
Again, the most effective way to prevent rape on college campuses is not to go to places where rape occurs most frequently. Those places would be fraternities.
Also, I am not defending the frat bags or their actions in any way whatsoever. I’m simply describing the reality of the situation and how to improve it. In no way am I being a “rape apologist” and I am not blaming victims. I am offering a simple, effective method for reducing on campus rape. If you still feel that I am “blaming the victim” (which I’m sure you are) I will provide an example of “blaming the victim” in my next post for you to see what that actually looks like.
/Public Service Announcement
Worse than that, Quackers, it’s from the ebil guvmint that wants to enslave NWOrapistwannabe!!!1!
You guys do remember that this is the dude who posted a pic of an 8 year old on the beach as an example of a slut.