The False Rape Society is shocked — shocked! — by a fraternity’s “who would you rape?” survey.
The False Rape Society is shocked and stunned that frat boys would joke about rape.
So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? – zany.
Posted on December 15, 2011, in douchebaggery, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, rape, rapey, reddit, that's not funny!. Bookmark the permalink. 1,140 Comments.
Instead, I offer hugs and maybe even melt away centers.
Life is pretty easy to follow a requested guideline when there is chocolate in the world.
Happy birthday, Ozy! Fistbumps and cat pictures for you!
MRAL, I left you a support message in the shoelips bondage porn thread. Incidentally, how did you do on your finals? do you know yet?
Srsly, I think he legit believes this. I mean, “evolution makes super dogs”? Either that or he’s the Donnie Brasco of trolling. I think I caught him make a Honey Badger reference at one point, but I can’t be sure.
Yeah, I got a 3.8 cumulative. That’s about average for me, so I’m happy. To me it’s like, if you’re paying so damn much for college, you might as well make an effort. There was a really tough differential calculus course that knocked me down from a 4.0, but whatever. I’m looking forward to a month of nothing.
Also, happy birthday Ozy!
Bitching.
I don’t think Slavey is trolling in the “doesn’t believe what he says, just for lulz” sense at all. I think he’s genuinely deranged. He may be exaggerating some things in an attempt to rile people up, but if he doesn’t genuinely believe the core things that he keeps going back to over and over again he deserves an internet Oscar.
I think he’s more like Brandon – would like to pretend that he’s just in it to piss off some feminists, but way too obsessive about it for that to be true. Except with a side order of “no, seriously, medication might help”. Certainly there’s a level of paranoia that extends to all kinds of stuff, not just feminism, that’s not very healthy.
Well thanks, but remember that I have a lot of free time as a result of not partying or whatever, that was subsequently spent studying.
Happy birthday Ozy!!!
((((((Birthday hugs))))))))
That is a truly glorious sentence, especially out of context.
Oh, and happy birthday Ozy!
Happy birthday Ozy, and an happier year after that!
I starting to almost feel bad for NWO. If he believes all that he said, that means that being aroused, if not followed by sex directly, is painful for him.
Of course, thinking that all men are the same way is idiotic, since rumor has it that many people, and particularly many men buy or download material for the sole purpose of arousing themselves while being alone. Or so they say.
Happy 20th, Ozy!
MRAL, congrats on your 3.8, that’s excellent.
Actually, if you continue NWO’s analogy to its logical conclusion, wouldn’t porn end up being an expression of female sexuality designed to taunt and torture men?
@NWO and Math: My comments pale in comparison to all of you
My comments made by a single individual are much less than the number of comments made by MULTIPLE individuals.
Why, yes, Newt, it is true.
One single person’s posts (most of the time) are not greater in number than a group of individuals posting.
So you really do think that “we” are all a hive-vagina/mind that cannot be distinguished?
Big surprise: “my comments pale in comparison to all of yours” as well (“yours”=referring to all the rest of the people posting on manboobz).
D’oh!
Happy belated birthday to Ozy!
Congratulations to Holly and MRAL for an incredibly academic semester!
Most of my students are doing really well….just have to finish grading and turn the stuff in tomorrow. So that’s where I’ll be today–in at work. Grading. Writing reports. Grading.
Congrats on your 3.8, MRAL, WTG!!!
Happy Belated Birthday, Ozy!!
I am opposed to bullying of any kind, done by persons of any gender to persons of any gender. I am vehemently opposed to fraternity hazings, for instance, but that’s probably because I want to feminize young men, or so I’ve been told.
When the only information I have about the incident is that brief video clip, I have no idea why they chose a) a boy, and b) that particular boy, nor can I determine the motivation behind the attack. They could have been re-enacting a fraternity hazing for all I know.
What were they wearing? Well, all I can discern from the clip is that one is wearing green shoes, one is wearing blue shoes, and one is wearing white capri pants. I guess two of them must be naked and one must be barefoot, as well, huh?
I’d like to nth the congratulations to you MRAL, and the birthday wishes to ozy!
MRAL, what are you majoring in?
Thank you everyone! Good job MRAL on your 3.8. :) It’s true, those of us with no social lives do have excellent grades…
I’m a math major, and well, thanks for the congratulations everyone. I’m not sure it’s much of an achievement, because it’s less a matter of intelligence and more a matter of not having a life, but. I still take a measure of pride in it.
Nobody gets a 3.8 out of boredom, MRAL. You deserve to be proud! Congratulations!
You know, when I was your age I thought a romantic life was completely out of reach and that I’d end up getting all my life’s satisfaction from a career. It didn’t work out that way at all, and I really wish I had spend my youth enjoying life more instead of freaking out over loneliness. I would love to go back and explain this to my younger self.
Happy Birthday Ozy! And good goddamn, MRAL that’s amazing! Congrats!
Well, you could have spent your not-life masturbating and reading fanfic, but instead you decided to achieve something. :) So that’s kind of awesome and you should be proud.
Congrats MRAL. That’s awesome. 3.8’s don’t make themselves (I don’t know my semester GPA yet, as 2 of my classes haven’t disclosed my final grade yet). Also, happy birthday Ozy. May your third decade of life be awesome (after all, ones second decade of life starts at age 10).
Congrats to our 19-to-20-year-olds, indeed. And may I note that a) 3.8 is a great GPA, especially in STEM, and b) if you got it by diligent work, then it’s just that much better of an accomplishment. (I don’t know anyone, however smart, who succeeded in a difficult subject in college without hard work.)
Sorry I came in late here, but happy birthday Ozy!
And MRAL, seriously, I’m glad to hear you’re doing better. Congrats on the 3.8.
Yay. I finished my grading last week, and it was…welp.
A dude said that the Seven Years War happened as a result of the War of Australian Succession.
VoiP, that is a very pretty puss-cat :)
I love the black-and-whites with face spots. Some of them have looked at the city and seen its true face, and some are just sort of disorganized. Some look like Hitler.
Since this is a FRS thread here’s the latest and the greatest from merry old England.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074339/Cry-rape-slap-wrist-Teenage-girl-lies-left-man-prison-savagely-beaten-gets-80-fixed-penalty-notice.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
It seems this slut went into her local pub hangout and announced to everyone she’d been raped. Which of course was your standard bullshit lie. She was cheating and was about to get caught cheating after hooking up with a 40 year old man.
So what did she do? She of course used her gender and sexuality to have her boyfriend beat up the man she willingly cheated on her boyfriend with. She no doubt turned on the waterworks, rattled off the, “if you love me routine,” gave boyfriend some sex, and on and on it went as she pulled out all the stops.
Well, the story of the damsel in distress ends in typical fashion. “Boyfriend” beats the crap out of “the rapist” knocks out 8 of his teeth and gives the “rapist” permanent hearing damage. “Boyfriend” is now serving a 3 year sentence. The “whore” who instigated the entire ordeal, much like a mob boss orders a slaying; Why she got an L80 fine. I don’t know the conversion rate off hand but I’m guessing no more than $150.00.
This is the daily routine. Women using their sexuality as a weapon. We did go over a womans sexuality? Didn’t we? I believe the question I asked was… “If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?”
The closest thing I got to a coherent answer was looking at pictures of naked women. Which of course verifies the fact that a womans sexuality is her ability to arouse a man. What other point would there be looking at a picture of a naked woman other than arousal if the point was arousal so reproduction could happen?
So this woman did what so many women do, she used her gender and sexuality to have another man commit violence in her behalf. Wether she uses an individual man or men of the State the result is the same. There is no blood on her hands of course, she recieves no punishment, aside from that terrible fine. Also, according to feminist law, she can just do the same thing again and her previous exploits can’t be brought up in court. For her protection of course.
According to “slavering beast theory” which is so highly recommended, he was bound to always socially support a womans word. Well he did.
I’m starting to understand why virtually all women believe they were oppressed in the past. Before Big Daddy’s intervention, women were treated as equals. If you wanted a job in the past, you would’ve had to compete equally with men. If you wanted to invent something, you would’ve had to compete equally with men. If you wanted an education, you would’ve had to work in that field, (say shipbuilding) and compete equally with men. Equality is so much nicer when it’s backed by taxes for women only, charity for women only, laws for women only; All backed by the guns of the State.
Do you believe that women are capable of desire?
Dude, NWO, it’s a cat thread.
This little fella, for instance, looks as much like Hitler as it is possible for a cat to look.
NWO. Dude, that story is from the Daily Mail, and there’s a reason it’s known as the Daily Fail.
Poor little Kitlers, it’s a good thing they don’t know who they look like! :)
Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face.
The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “Mew.”
:3
@hellkell
A man is in prison for 3 years, another man has 8 knocked out teeth and permanent hearing damage. All on a womans word. However, she did fuck them both. In more ways than one if ya know what I mean. Yuk, yuk, yuk!
Steve rabbit is getting better
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=2df04615718c7a8b#cid=2DF04615718C7A8B&id=2DF04615718C7A8B%21148
He hippity-hops around the yard with the chooks, and he can move his ears a little bit, enough to semaphore A, G or N ;)
But I couldn’t get a photo of him nose kissing the black cat.
Shock of impact ran along your arm. Jet of warmth spattered on chest, like hot faucet. It was some idiot on the Internet who said “Mother” then, muffled under latex. It was that idiot who closed his eyes. It was MWOSlave who opened them again.
NWO, darling, beloved, fire of my heart, what was the question you wanted to ask me, sweetums?
Ahhh, Ozy. The game is afoot.
The question, being you’re our resident sex therapist. I’m assuming you’ve seen the vid of the young lad? If not do take a gander.
You’ll need to see the video for our scenario.
NWO, heart of my heart, life of my life, I am not actually a sex therapist. I’ll have to go through years more of training before then. But nevertheless I have seen the video. Out with it. :)
“:I’m starting to understand why virtually all women believe they were oppressed in the past. Before Big Daddy’s intervention, women were treated as equals. ”
When did Big Daddy’s intervention begin? Or are you suddenly Benjamin Tucker, and you theorize that the oppression of women was one of the first acts that began the State?
Very well.
The boy comes to you from therapy.
I’ll play the part of the boy.
You play the part of the therapist.
Is this acceptable?
Oh, Sorry, meant that to say Anti-Tucker, and the favoring of women began the primitive State? When did this happen?
You’ll need to see the video for our scenario.
*Interest in scenario dropping to 0*
Can others please stop kibbitzing, Ozy and I are role-playing?
“Equality is so much nicer when it’s backed by taxes for women only, charity for women only, laws for women only; All backed by the guns of the State.”
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, again, how many taxes do I have to pay in NWO world? You never answer this??? Is it a secret?
Okay, but after roleplay, can I know if I have to pay taxes or not?
I’m not sure Ozy wants to play. I doubt her computer is slower than mine. Mines like 10 years old. You will be faced with these sort of dillema’s as a sex therapist. Don’t go all bashful on me.
Okay, so if she won’t play, do I have to pay taxes or not?
NWO, what part of I AM NOT A TRAINED THERAPIST do you not understand? I’m in UNDERGRAD. I don’t know HOW to do therapy. This is like talking to someone who’s taking premed and asking them how to perform brain surgery! Even if they want to be brain surgeons, they DON’T KNOW HOW.
I can speak as a layperson with no experience in therapy, but not as a therapist, because I AM NOT A THERAPIST FOR FUCK’S SAKE NWO AND I NEVER SAID I WAS.
ozy – That means you are a therapist, but you can’t answer his briliant challenge. You were made a therapist by Title IX
NWO role-playing the assaulted kid. I can feel the creepiness coming from across the Atlantic.
Ozy, you don’t object to a large peanut gallery accompanying your fake therapy session, do you?
Also, I’m pretty sure “you’re a therapist” is the least false thing NWO is going to say while you’re role-playing.
Here’s the opening scene.
Boy is dropped off by mum at the Ozy therapist office. The office is decorated in soothing blue colors. Pictures of ocean scenery and kittens adorn the walls. A fish tank gurgles quiitely giving a relaxed air to the office. Ozy is dressed very professionally in a conservative business suit.
The boy sits quietly in a comfy chair staring at his feel and fidgeting with his fingers. And Ozy says??????
Oddly enough, WNO, I have other things I’m doing with my life and don’t spend all of it refreshing Manboobz.
For instance, I was setting up the Nativity scenes (we have three, and they now show three different scenes from the Christmas story) and so didn’t answer you for a while.
You don’t understand, billy. I’m not really here, you’re not really here. We’re all trapped in the paranoid fantasies of a milk machine technician. Your parents HAVE been lying to you. Everybody HAS been lying to you. Follow me, I know a way out!!!
ozymandias42, you are going to be a sex therapist. Correct? That’s what all the good schoolin is all about.
Does the fish tank contain a small purple octopus?
And, thanks to Ithiliana, a newt.
Hang on now, ocean scenery and kittens? Who the hell decorated this place?
NWO – But since she ISN’T NOW, she hasn’t HAD THE TRAINING TO BE ONE YET. Do you understand this concept? It’s actually not even like me and my medieval studies degree – I can still talk to you about the middle ages, even though I haven’t finished learning latin yet or got teh papers. She ISN’T A THERAPIST YET. She can’t “do therapy” cause she hasn’t been trained yet. Jesus.
I see this is going no where.
I answer many questions, why are my questions ignored? Or answered with snark? Note everyones comments as an example.
NWO, does the kitty poster show a kitten holding onto a tree branch with the phrase “Hang in there”? I’ve seen that at a dentist’s office before.
Joanna – “Hang on now, ocean scenery and kittens? Who the hell decorated this place?”
Peta?
Sea kittens
http://features.peta.org/PETASeaKittens/
why is everybody italicised???
“I answer many questions, why are my questions ignored? Or answered with snark?”
Cos we can’t take you seriously.
It’s like Saw, but instead of pain all there is is dumb.
A newt
http://www.knewance.com/storage/post-images/giant_salamander.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1258414792919