The False Rape Society is shocked — shocked! — by a fraternity’s “who would you rape?” survey.
The False Rape Society is shocked and stunned that frat boys would joke about rape.
So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? – zany.
Posted on December 15, 2011, in douchebaggery, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, rape, rapey, reddit, that's not funny!. Bookmark the permalink. 1,140 Comments.
I can’t compose any meaningful replies that don’t involve the words “head” “ass” “far” and “grotesquely impossible”.
I find it amazing that these guys can’t register this one incident as part of a wider rape culture.
And the fact that they are shocked by it–like they think this is not actually part of frat culture–really makes me think these guys have no lives. Have they ever been in the real world? I mean, even if they’re never been in a frat house (I haven’t), do they not interact with humans?
On that note, the link you provided under “This what incident?” (the Google search results for “fraternity rape”) lists a bunch of scholarly articles at the beginning about the prevalence of fraternity rape. These guys should go read them.
Apparently Pierce Harlan lives in a magical alternate universe where rape never actually happens. It’s a totally mythical occurrence, like a Loch Ness Monster sighting except with jail time, and the shame of this survey is that it perpetuates the myth.
I’d like to live in his universe. Sounds like a nice place actually.
“Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners…”
Oh hey, an entire half-sentence that doesn’t make me want to strangle anyone! Too bad that saying something not completely reprehensible seems to have been a fluke.
If Harlan doesn’t condone the survey, why is he working so hard to rationalize it? Also, how much evidence do they need at the False Rape Society before they admit there is a rape culture?
“….or the fantasy “rape” of women….”
I’m getting hung up on this phrase. Is he trying to suggest that the rape of women is a fantasy? Why is that the only instance where rape is given the scare quotes? I really hope I’m overreacting and misinterpreting that line.
Crumbelievable – Because Pierce Harlan believes that if he admits that any woman has ever been raped, it would somehow open the floodgates to thousands more false accusations. Give ‘em an inch and they take a mile, or something like that.
So the meaning of that line really is as bad I as thought, huh? Jesus Christ.
Well let’s see, we’ve got Katherine Heigl with her “I hate balls” campaign going on. As always it’s excused as satire. Now if a man who was a celebrity casually strolled about talking about slicing out womens genitals he’d be crucified. But not the privileged gender. No, no, noooooo. She’s exempt from all criticism.
We’ve got the scum monologues as a State funded schoolhouse rock sorta play. It’s satire baby!
We’ve got the verizon monster daddy DV video as if women never commit at least their fair share of DV, and the majority of child abuse.
So many laws are thrown at men, while women’s prisons are being traded in for spa’s and men are sentenced for the slightest offense.
You can’t go one day without a major newspaper bashing men, (female opinion piece of course).
It’s like a constant drone of hatred of men while women are spoiled beyond comprehension. Belly up to the bar boys for a heapin helpin of hate. Do you really think you’re going to get love and admiration in return?
Why is the fact of rape culture so goddamn difficult to believe? But I guess if you’re Harlan and can’t admit rape happens at all, there you go.
Cranial-rectal inversions really do cause blindness.
Right, NWO, and a “Who Would You Rape” list just screams “we love women.”
Eat a dick. And while you’re at it, get some new material.
NWO’s taking the time honored tactic of “women are misandrist, and that’s terrible, and it also means it’s okay for men to be misogynist!”
Pick one, dude. Either both genders have reason to hate each other (yay?) or neither does.
I’d like to think the latter is possible.
citation REALLY needed
What I read from the FRS commentary:
“Here’s just *one* more example of what *isn’t* rape culture. Stop overreacting over all these examples of what isn’t happening! I mean, every single time this whole rape culture issue comes up I have to explain to you silly feministicalogical peoplez as to why it doesn’t exist, and it’s getting reeeeally tiring. So, stop it already. Jeez.”
I suppose the rape apologists and rape deniers will say the CDC’s nearly 1 in 5 rape or attempted rape is a bunch of feminist lies too amirite? why would I believe that when I could believe what an MRA site would tell me?!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html?_r=3&ref=health
isn’t it also lovely how no one really ever denies other crime statistics, but when it comes to rape hateful pieces of shit like NWO come out and deny deny deny?
@Holly Pervocracy
I’ve already told you what the new game has to evolve into. One-upmanship. Men have been be beaten over the head with a club for generations by women. Men have pulled a knife. Women pulled a pistol in the scum monologues, everyone here defended that video as satire, or just kids, or shock school parody, or some other nonsense. Men pulled out a rifle.
Women as a whole could’ve literally grabbed these girls and beat the shit out of them, they chose to stick up for their sisters. Women as a whole could’ve literally beat the shit out all the hosts on the view, Katherine Heigl and just a host of others. They chose to call it satire, write it off, excuse it or even join in the fun.
Women use men, men use women. Women abuse men, men abuse women. You excuse one and condone, excuse, neglect, deny, or ignore the other. Betcha it get’s a lot worse. real fast.
Then men are just as bad as women or worse. So this is barely about gender any more. In your view, everyone just hates everyone.
You’re disgusting. I know you get off on hearing me say that but sometimes I just can’t help myself.
And you want absolutely nothing better for the world than to have it the other way around.
It must be sad. Or it would be, if you were able to think about it lucidly.
[emphasis added]
Sorry, but the ebil guvmint’s CDC just released a report that doesn’t agree with you… the only measurable stat in the IPV section of the survey that came out showing men were being more victimised than women was cases of physical violence excluding rape and stalking (or other impacts such as PTSD), and only for cases in the last 12 months. Put back in the cases of women being raped and stalked, and women were once again dominating the stats in a bad way – and likewise if domestic violence over the person’s lifetime was considered.
I suppose for the stats to say men aren’t responsible for more than their fair share of violence would require you to argue that most of the women were been lesbians or bisexuals and it was only mainly their female partners that committed violence. That claim would require a big fat [citation needed].
(Not that I expect being hit with the reality cluebat will have any impact on NWO’s continual airing of disproven fallacies, but I still had the report open from citing it contra a rape culture denialist on another thread.)
NWO, child rape advocate, cannot resist this one!
Which is to say, women were more victimised than men — to forestall any deliberately malicious misreading of the comment, which I realised was possible after I’d pressed “Post Comment”. D’oh (and that goes doubly for
werehad been in the next paragraph).Bostonian – NWO only rapes children because women won’t beat each other. See, it’s fair.
@Quackers
Deny what? The article even states, “The study, a continuing telephone survey of a nationally representative sample of 16,507 adults, defines intimate partner and sexual violence broadly.”
A telephone suvey that defines rape broadly? What the hell is that? Broadly? “Did you ever stub your toe?” “Yes.” “Well that’s rape!”
To show you what a crock this study is, 1 in 4 women are supposedly raped in college. You’re far safer from rape on the mean streets of any city like Detroit than you are in college. What a crock of shit, and you people are so ideology driven you’re like slavering beasts, drooling at the chops to believe anything any MSM outlet tells you. Just to have an excuse to hate men.
owlslave, it really would save a lot of trouble if you would just admit that the only way you can understand the world is by hitting things
NWO thinks it’s bad that women don’t just beat each other to a pulp when someone says or does something he doesn’t personally agree with. I would say that was the most horrible thing he’s ever said, but there was that time he openly advocated slavery, so… enjoy your silver metal!
NWO’s “prison spa” narrative seems to come from this one place called Chiang Mai Prison Spa in Thailand
http://slices-of-life.com/2011/10/19/unusual-spas-in-unusual-places/#2_Chiang_Mai_Prison_Spa_Thailand
It says the women have been in prison and that the spa is sort of rehabilitation program.
So no, the women’s prison has not been turned into a spa. They’ve already served hard time in actual jail.
There seems to be a similar operation going in Malaysia, but only at those two places
NWO, sweetie, you do realize that the genders are not at war with each other, right? Most women actually like most men, and vice versa.
@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO only rapes children because women won’t beat each other. See, it’s fair.”
That’s “girl” children, Holly. Let’s not make me out to be a pervert.
Child rapists are perverts, NWO, even the men who rape girls.
So you are indeed a perversion of a man, not an upstanding citizen.
“owlslave, it really would save a lot of trouble if you would just admit that the only way you can understand the world is by hitting things”
He repairs machines for a living, right? I hope this isn’t his approach at work too.
@NWO
from the same article:
nowhere do I see stubbing one’s toe to be defined as rape. go fuck yourself you rotten rape excusing filth.
Hey now. I’m a pervert.
NWO’s just a bad person.
@ozymandias42
“NWO, sweetie, you do realize that the genders are not at war with each other, right?”
I’m afraid that’s not true. Women are just angry that men have begun fighting back.
owlslave, i know reading things would leave less time for manufacturing ways youre a victim, and would go against your ideology of angry, frothing ignorance, but article linked to the fucking study. why don’t you read it and see if you criticism has validity, or is again, just something you pulled out of your ass?
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
to start, here’s a bit that’s really going to make you angry, not because of what it says, but because it reveals how out of touch with reality your victimization fantasy is.
they care about men, too! how are you going to twist that to make it look like everyone is out to get you?!
Funny, I haven’t been around the comments section here much, but I’ve been here enough to skip over the comments from NWOslave. From some of the reactions here I can see I’ve made the right choice.
@Quackers
A question for you.
A man and a woman are both drinking. They have sex. The next day the woman says it’s rape because she was intoxicated. Was it rape?
Sorry Holly, I take it back.
NWO, you are simply a horrible child rapist wanna be.
Don’t forget the slavery advocacy! Women and children should be property, and NWO is fighting for the repeal of civil rights for all women and kids.
Wrong!
I’m afraid that’s not true. Women are just angry that men have begun fighting back.
*sigh* whatever it takes to justify your hard-on for violence, champ.
@Sharculese
“they care about men, too!”
Hahahaha. Fool. They’re fueling the hatred.
Not. Enough. Information.
Not. Enough. Information.
there is no context!
Well then, eveyone answer the question I posed to Qwackers.
Hahahaha. Fool. They’re fueling the hatred.
so the answer is… by making things up…
can’t say i’m surprised…
Yes there is enough info. They were both drinking. They both had about the same to drink. She says she was raped. Was she?
Today I went to the doctor. I checked in with the receptionist, who was male. I was very nervous about having a painful minor surgery so in the waiting room I texted Ami (female) and Rowdy (male) for moral support. I went in and was treated by a nurse (female) and surgeon (female). Afterwards I went down to the pharmacy and got meds from a pharmacist (male). I ran into a friend (female) in the pharmacy and we chatted a bit. Then I talked on the phone with my dad (male). Later in the day I got a call from a friend (male) asking for advice on a personal crisis and he decided he needed to talk to another friend who could help him more (female).
And so on. This is what my mundane daily interactions look like, NWO.
This is why it’s so hard for me to believe in a gender war.
Here, there is no physical damage to her. Was she raped?
No one needs to answer the question. You just want to justify raping women as well as kids.
NWO
slavewannabepedophile,Still not enough information. (Let’s see how long it takes him to work out why.)
NWO, you giant ass, there’s not enough information.
Probably.
If they’re equally drunk, but he initiates the sex and she just lies there, then yes, that is rape. A drunk person can rape an equally drunk person, if they force that equally drunk person to have sex with them.
He’s trying, in his own pathetic way, to work up to some big “gotcha!”
see, owlslave, in big people world we have these things called trials, where 12 other big people weigh the evidence and come to a decision, based on all the factors present, as to whether or not that was rape. but they have to actually know the facts to do that kind of big people thinking. it’s not just pressing one button or the other.
@Holly Pervocracy
You support any woman without question who claims rape. You said so in your “slavering beast” post.
The woman in the little scenario I just gave claimed she was raped. You support her. So the “phone survey” in the article quackers gave was exactly that. Not only that, who took the survey, were they the scum molologue girls? Did they lie? Did they make up the entire thing?
Hellkell – I think he’s trying to do the same thing he did by claiming a stubbed toenail counted as rape. Introduce a wild scenario that could technically be considered rape but doesn’t seem so bad to him, then claim that all rape charges are that wild scenario.
@NWO
changing the subject are we?
No consent=rape. Why is that so hard for you MRA fuckwits to understand? If she’s too drunk to consent but he had sex with her anyway, then yes it is rape.
@Holly Pervocracy
Well why wasn’t he raped as well? Or instead? Both were equally intoxicated. Why is he the responsible party? Why not her?
@Quackers
I said they were both equally intoxicated. If she was too drunk to consent, so was he. Why is he responsible for her actions, but she isn’t responsible for his actions?
I support her as a friend and an ally. Not legally.
I know this is going to be way too nuanced for you, but imagine a friend comes to you and says that he’s in horrible pain and his doctor won’t give him pain meds. As a friend, you say “wow, that sucks, man, I’m sorry.” As a doctor, you consider whether or not he’s lying and seeking narcotics for recreational use.
Same person, same story, but different contexts. The context of “friend” doesn’t require you to exercise the same skepticism as the context of “authority.”
Why would they lie? What motivation?
The survey was purely informational; there were no arrests based on it, no prosecutions. The women got no benefit from their participation. Why should they make things up?
NWO, let’s play a fun game! It’s called Guess Why There’s Not Enough Information To Tell Whether It’s Rape!
(Hint: Both people have to do a special thing for it to count as not rape. Can you guess what that thing is?)
The one who initiated sex is the responsible party. It didn’t just happen.
Yes, Quackers, the goalposts have shifted… and ten points for using the word that the Knights of NWO cannot bear — and it’s not Ni!
@NWO
It depends who initiated sexual contact. That’s why we’re saying we need more information.
and the SCUM girls live in Sweden, this survey was done in the US you dumb fuck. And why would anyone lie? they aren’t naming anyone to falsely accuse them which you think all women do for shits and giggles.
no it wasnt. but you dont know that because you didnt read it and wont read it, because facts get in your way.
Michele C. Black, Kathleen C. Basile, Matthew J. Breiding, Sharon G. Smith
Mikel L. Walters, Melissa T. Merrick
Jieru Chen and Mark R. Stevens
according to the report you didn’t read. they’re all government scientist. people generally aren’t in the habit of hiring theater students to run major surveys, because that would be stupid.
remember guys, anybody who disagrees with owlslave is lying. this is because the world is out to get him.
@Quackers, Xanthe and CDC study.
the CDC study doesn’t include prison rape, rape by envelopment, or rape of the homeless.
The cdc study counts Attempted rape as a weighted number of rapes, attempted physical assaults as a weighted number of rapes, had an error rate of 30%, etc.
from reddit
‘it’s not only men that can stop rape, and it’s not only men that are raping… Both genders victimize eachother enough that neither should be ignored. [...for those of you wondering how this is relevant to the subreddit] The researchers should lose their jobs for perpetuating a study that takes the extreme feminist approach that men cannot be raped by women unless penetrated. Furthermore, the intellectual bomb that was unleashed when attempted penetration was considered rape makes the entire study severely suspect of trying to drive up the rate of female victims in order to confirm previous shoddy studies that found similar rates of sexual victimization (usually they are 1 in 4). By using a definition of rape closer to the legal definition, and not including all instances of intoxicated participants, the rape rate discovered by this study is actually far lower than even 1 in 6… There simply could not have been a 40-80% decrease in rapes over the years, so all previous studies’ conclusions by the feminist agenda have been thoroughly debunked by this one.’
The FRS has responded to this post also.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/12/assholez-who-despise-falsely-accused.html
damn Holly beat me too it haha
@Xanthe
yes that word is like kryptonite to him isn’t it?
@Quackers
It does not depend on who initiated. So your telling me that if they were both drinking and the man said let’s have sex, he’s culpible?
Once again, folks, I apologize on the behalf of Scotland for Ullere, and remind you that we also gave you David Tennent, Franz Ferdinand, Trainspotting, and Belle and Sebastian.
Well why wasn’t he raped as well?
Because he consented to having sex. Duh. This is not rocket science, dude. It’s not even milk machine science.
Or instead? Both were equally intoxicated. Why is he the responsible party? Why not her?
If she raped him, she should absolutely be held responsible for raping him. If he raped her, he should be held responsible for raping her. If both of them willingly had consensual sex with each other, no one should be held responsible for rape.
Similarly, if I steal your car, I should be held responsible for stealing your car. If you steal my car, you should be held responsible for stealing my car. If both of us agree to borrow each other’s car, no one should be held responsible for stealing anyone’s car.
This really, really, really isn’t complicated.
In NWO world there is no context, and there is no consent, ever, so rape is the same as sex.
ullere. it wouldn’t include those things of course, because it’s a study on intimate partner violence.what the fuck are you on about?