Rapists, lad mags, and the Men’s Rights subreddit
Lad mags: Always covering the most important stories
What’s the difference between a lad mag and a rapist? Aside from one being a magazine and the other a person, albeit an reprehensible one, apparently not very much.
In a study soon to be published in the British Journal of Psychology, researchers at Middlesex University and the University of Surrey showed people quotes about women from British lad mags (FHM, Loaded, Nuts and Zoo) and from convicted rapists. Most survey respondents – men and women both – could not tell the difference between the quotes from the magazines and the quotes from the rapists. And most of the male respondents identified more with the quotes from the rapists than from the lad mags.
Here are some of the quotes the survey respondents were asked to react to. (You can find more at Jezebel.) Can you tell which of these are from rapists or lad mags?
Mascara running down the cheeks means they’ve just been crying, and it was probably your fault . . . but you can cheer up the miserable beauty with a bit of the old in and out.
You’ll find most girls will be reluctant about going to bed with somebody or crawling in the back seat of a car . . . But you can usually seduce them, and they’ll do it willingly.
Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
I think girls are like plasticine, if you warm them up you can do anything you want with them.
In case you’re wondering, the correct answers are: Lad mag, Rapist, Rapist, Lad Mag.
Creepy, eh?
Lead researcher Miranda Horvath of Middlesex University explains why she feels this is so troubling:
Rapists try to justify their actions, suggesting that women lead men on, or want sex even when they say no, and there is clearly something wrong when people feel the sort of language used in a lads’ mag could have come from a convicted rapist.
I would say so.
And so, you might wonder, how did the regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit react this this research? Take a look.
The comment with the most upvotes offered some nice juicy denial:
The comment with the second-highest number of upvotes completely missed the point:
And then there was this hot mess:
In case anyone is wondering, that quote from French is actually a quote from a character in one of her novels. And it’s pretty easy to distinguish it from things posted on Jezebel, because none of the writers on Jezebel ever say anything even remotely like that.
The Men’s Rights subreddit, responding to evidence of rape culture by going “la la la I can’t hear you” since March 2008.
Posted on December 11, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, rape, rapey, reddit, that's not funny!. Bookmark the permalink. 758 Comments.
NWOslave?
It must be tough to reconcile the thoughts “rape hardly ever really happens” and “women get raped all the time because they deserve it” constantly.
We’re not talking about huge intellects here though, are we Holly?
In his most recent thread “Missing the Fear,” Dalrock and his merry band of mysogonistic drooges actually claim that women who sashay around “bad neighborhoods” in slutty attire are “asking for it,” then have the nerve to cry, “Rape!” And our misguided, pussy-whipped justice system has the temerity to side with the wanton women and prosecute the poor saps who were unjustly coerced into forcing themselves on these manipulative man-eaters!
(I personally don’t know of any women who sashay around bad neighborhoods in ‘slutty attire,’ unless they’re prostitutes. Then again, I personally don’t know any prostitutes.) Can’t wait until he and his manosphere minions dry hump this one! (Pun intended.)
Alphalady, I don’t want to seem like a humorless caller-outer, but I do personally know many prostitutes and they prefer the term sex worker :) Thanks.
And of course, these guys love the idea that women WANT to be raped. Just by the RIGHT guy, the ALPHA, and if anybody else does it, only THEN do we cry “rape”. Ugh.
Not the point nor the conclusion of the study, thanks for playing.
I read this earlier. There is some really fucked up shit in lad mags though including an article about a man having sex with his dog and another about a man having sex with his mother.
Here’s an idea for a study: Take the rapists’ quotes and then some quotes from MRA articles and try to spot the difference! Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised if a good chunk of the MRM community were comprised of sex offenders from the things they tend to say about women.
Didn’t you all see those bolded italics?
and its entire remaining population sold into slavery!!!!!111unodos!
Just think what’s going to happen now!
What is #1 sex fantasy reported by women?
I know the answer but I want to hear you say it.
What is #1 sex fantasy reported by women?
Being ignored by MRAs? Just guessing…
Please be Spearhafoc.
Please be Spearhafoc.
Please be Spearhafoc.
Please be Spearhafoc…
Zero incorrect answers. More likely conclusion for this study – British people are dumb as shit, and see pedos and rapists and kidnappers in everything. Supporting evidence: this study, and Britain notoriously being a big sad nanny state for a while now. Let’s see Middlesex U publish these findings.
He’s going to say “rape fantasy”
NWO, you realize that those are fantasies yes? And also, in these fantasies, the woman is being taken by someone who looks like Hugh Jackman. Not a 50 year old milk machine operator.
“in these fantasies, the woman is being taken by someone who looks like Hugh Jackman”
How did you know???
You know whose ideas and comments on these posts most resemble the comments of the convicted rapists?
I know the answer but I want to hear you say it.
Citation needed. How would one even quantify the sexual fantasies of most people of either gender?
1. There’s a certain way you can tell that a girl wants to have sex . . . The way they dress, they flaunt themselves.
2. Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
3. Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they’re just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they’re saying, ‘Hey, I’ve got a beautiful body, and it’s yours if you want it.
4. I think if a law is passed, there should be a dress code . . . When girls dress in those short skirts and things like that, they’re just asking for it.
Rapist or NWO?
Per this survey of twenty studies on the subject:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Women's+erotic+rape+fantasies%3A+an+evaluation+of+theory+and+research.-a0176374283
A common fantasy that over half of women report having had at some point, but one that only 1 in 5 admit to being their “favorite” fantasy. This doesn’t put it in the realm of “the number one sexual fantasy” of women at large, IMO.
It beats me. But when I do a google search for #1 female sexual fantasy that’s what came up on a few articles at #1 or very close to #1 , and by articles I mean “some piece of online writing with no scientific citations whatsoever’, but I assume that’s what NWO is picking on.
I know the #1 LEAST favorite fantasy–having sex with bitter, angry milk machine techs.
“What is #1 sex fantasy reported by women?”
Millionaire underwear models playing with kittens?
I know the #1 LEAST favorite fantasy–having sex with bitter, angry milk machine techs.
I’m really glad that you included that last word in your sentence. It would be a disturbing image otherwise.
“#1 sex fantasy reported by women”
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Is the #1 sex fantasy something involving David Tennant and as much of the Torchwood cast as you can fit in the TARDIS?
(Spearhafoc WAS my #1 fantasy until you mentioned in an offtopic thread ramble about My Little Pony:FiM that Apple Jack is your least favorite of the Mane Six. Why, Spear, why? Why must you destroy our awesome-hatted, vintage-clad Internetz True Love?!?!)
Shorter NWO: “How dare you claim men are all rapists! Men are all rapists for a good reason!”
Are those of us nearly a decade older then you excluded? Because otherwise I would feel bad that you are only #2. :P
@SecretiveRob
Oh come on! You can fit WAY more people than that in the TARDIS!
Crush! Oh wait, that is MY number one.
Personally, I’m thinking “sweet, tender sex with my boyfriend.” Or possibly “hot, frantic, passionate sex with my boyfriend.” Or occasionally “sweet, tender, hot, passionate, frantic sex with my boyfriend, Jensen Ackles, and Stephen Colbert, who are all suddenly single, bi, and totally hot for each other.”
…just me?
Rick Perry wearing Spongebob pajamas?
“Oh come on! You can fit WAY more people than that in the TARDIS!”
“I don’t care if you’re the Doctor, we can’t have an orgy in the TARDIS without Benedict Cummberbatch!”
Is it sad that I’m not surprised by the rationalization hamsters that are being whipped into oblivion by MRAs?
Poor rationalization hamsters are gonna go into overdrive with this one. MRAs can’t stand facts and studies when they confirm things they don’t like ;)
It’s really disturbing how similar those quotes are to things our trolls have said, and to many other manosphere denizens as well.
That’s the beauty of the TARDIS- the orgy can be as big or small as you like.
Well, the whole time-and-space travel thing is cool, too. But it’s mostly about the fantasy orgy possibilities.
Well, the whole time-and-space travel thing is cool, too. But it’s mostly about the fantasy orgy possibilities.
Hey, the time/space travel aspect can fit right in with the orgy plans. Just pick up a few historical figures of your liking and see if they’re game. :)
Dracula: Madame du Pompadour!
BRB, brain just shorted out.
You guys have fun at the orgy, I’m just going to borrow David Tennent for a while and take him into a room in the back all by myself. I mean, he’s Scottish, right? We have so much in common! According to our friend sexbots on the other thread that should be more than enough to create a lasting* relationship.
*An hour or so should be sufficient.
Science is (a)male rape of feminine nature.
~Sandra Harding
Somewhere, David Tennant’s ears are burning.
David: “Odd. That’s the thirteenth time today!”
“Can I ruffle your hair, Doctor?”
@Molly Ren
I have seen that clip, was deeply affected by it, and won’t say precisely where ruffling David Tennant’s hair ranks on the sexual fantasy list. (It’s involved in 2-5, 8, and 14.)
Luckiest. Girl. Ever.
I would say so.
Sure you would, David. After all you are a concern troll, but unlike the researchers you don’t get paid for it.
Tomorrow you should write about the feminist bible code. Apparently goddess hid a secret message in the holy book. Only a highly skilled team of feminist women on the rag was able to decipher it. Lalasex University in Lalaland is working on a study right now: Can a random sample size of the fine citizens of Lalaland distinguish between quotes from the sacred message and Solanas’ SCUM Manifesto? If not does that meant that Solanas was the incarnation of Goddess? Questions, so many questions…
Actually I think I love Tennent for the same reason I love the dude I posted in the other men we love thread. No, I don’t mean just that they’re both skinny and good looking…I mean the fact that it’s obvious that both know that women find them sexy and find it alternately charming and hilarious. Most men really aren’t able to balance enjoying being an object of desire with having a sense of humor about the whole thing – the few who are are rare birds, and they tend to do very well in the entertainment industry.
Wow… Thomas is a precious flower inn’t he?
I’m way more into Eccleston and Davison on the Bonable Doctor’s List. Tennant’s cute though.
Newt Gingrich caught cheating on wife #3?
It’s a fantasy (as far as we know to date), it involves sex . . .
Suggestions about how to troll effectively.
1. Post comments that are in some way relevant to the topic under discussion. Random drive by “see how evil feminists are?” comments that have nothing to do with the actual topic will not anger or challenge people, they will simply make everyone wonder if you are drunk.
Also 11… Well, not so much crushy on Matt Smith as I find him and Kingston together screen melting. He does have a great body, though.
11/JACK/RIVER THREESOME. COME ON. BEST WHO FANTASY. SAYS ME.
Tennent is the only one who’s ever done anything for me. There’s just something so charming about him. He’s always been that way, ever since he was very young – he’s inherently likeable. Hell, I remember watching him steal scenes right out from under Ken Stott, and that takes some doing.
@zhinxy
Oh dear god, just getting Jack and River together in the same scene…
Forget sex, we’re talking about Eleven dealing with INNUENDOS IN SPACE!
‘Twould be hilarious.
Jesus, Thomas, you need to practice your trolling if you’re gonna play with the big boys/girls/non-gender specific people here. That is so much nonsense, I’d almost mistake you for a discordian. Except few of the discordians I’ve interacted with are such dumbfucks. +10 for effort, -a billion for being stupid.
I just want Rory. In the Centurion armor. That’s all.
There are rumors that Jack will show up as a guest star next season. These rumors fill me with joy.
Molly: Would not say no. Not at all. I adore Rory – he’s just so sweet and nice and sometimes scary.
Thomas said… words. And the syntax seems okay. But… mostly humans try to use language to mean things.
I hope your colourless green ideas keep sleeping furiously, Thomas.
I KNOW! Poor thing, we know how he can blush! <3 Must happen for anniversary. MUST MUST MUST!
I loved how the writers played on the ‘OMG, you killed Rory’ trope in the season finale. That made me happy. And the sequel to ‘The Lodger’ – holy crap baby Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All cracked my shit up.
Kathleen B – OH! Yes, my happy was extreme!
“And the sequel to ‘The Lodger’ – holy crap baby Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All cracked my shit up.” –
This, oh this! Matt and talking to babies is gold! GOLD!
I wouldn’t normally have ever thought I would say that Doctor having a baby would be anything but a bad idea, but this is Matt Smith, and I demand River bear him a Time Pondling, right now.
zhinxy: I’ll admit I was very skeptical about Matt Smith – he looked all young and he had that emo hair thing going for awhile, but the food thing with Amelia in the first episode just utterly stole my heart. And he’s a brilliant physical comedian, which I adore – early and constant exposure to Buster Keaton*, I think.
* I grew up in a neighborhood that was for many years a vaudeville colony, and Buster kind of grew up there in the off season. I think I was in college before I realized that not everybody knows who he is or that his favorite fish joint used to be where my elementary school is now.
“in these fantasies, the woman is being taken by someone who looks like
Hugh JackmanVin Deisel”Fixed.
Though my fantasy involves a lot more than just a bit of consensual non-consent with Vin Diesel some of which isn’t currently possible without some serious advances in technology and genetic engineering. That is why it is a FANTASY to masturbate to not reality.
BUSTER <3 I discovered him when I was about 10, lucky you!
He is so angry that women don’t find men the center of their universe, isn’t he? SO. MUCH. RAGE.
Eleven is the Doctor I’d most like to fuck. Sooooo cuuuuuuuuuute. His knees are just the cutest.
Spear is not my #1 fantasy because I feel creepy fantasizing about people I know. Otherwise, well, I confirm or deny nothing…
zhinxy: it’s weird, every once in awhile, I’ll just randomly mention where I grew up, and it’ll turn out the person I’m talking to is a big fan. They’re usually ‘OMG, what was it like? Have you seen the autograph? Did you know that one of the houses there was supposed to have had the fountain of youth?’ In order: An awesome neighborhood where all the hippies went, yes, and dude, my parents owned that property for years, but the well is gone. I’ll admit it can be a little strange.
But I totally got my love of good physical comedy from Buster and John Cleese (Fawlty Towers, omg!).
@Pecunium
Thanks, it means a lot to me that someone calls me precious and a flower. I like gardening. I planted some tomatos this year but it wasn’t a good summer and I had to harvest them green. I made chutney which tastes ok-ish.
@CassandraSays
Not sure if you are talking to me, if so you are right. I just came home and I’m pretty wasted. IMHO the best time to post on manboobz.
@KathleenB
You don’t get it. I know it’s nonsense. That’s the point. I’m one level ahead of you.
@Viscaria
It’s dadaism. Actually, I’m an artist.
“I’m an artist” is the new “sociology class full of students doing a social experiment.”