Women! Why must you assault men with your evil sexy outfits?
Women totally slutting it up in provocative waist-cinching attire
Apparently, or so I’ve learned from the manosphere, every single thing that women do is designed to torment men. Yesterday, we learned that women with jobs are leeching off of men just as much as women without jobs.
Further proof of female perfidy can be found in a recent post on the popular manosphere blog In Mala Fide with the provocative title Provocative Female Attire is an Assault Against Men. Guest poster Giovanni Dannato lays it out for anyone who needs convincing:
When a woman walks down a crowded sidewalk in revealing clothing, she is forcing herself on every man nearby.
The woman fully understands the powerful biological drives of men. She knows they cannot ignore her, not even if they want to.
Amazingly, the fact that a woman might show some cleavage does not automatically mean that she wants to have sex with every single man who sees her.
She has chosen to advertise herself to everyone passing by, but she is looking only for a few men. The wealthiest, the most famous, the most powerful men she can attract. …
There’s an old elementary school custom…when you bring something tasty to class, it’s understood that you should put it away unless you intend to share it with others. …
Likewise, a woman who puts her goodies blatantly on display is making false advertisements. Nobody supposes or expects that she could share herself with her entire audience—not even if she wanted to.
That’s right. Women are like gum. Or that pizza Spicoli had delivered to him in class in Fast Times at Ridgemont High that the mean Mr. Hand forced him to share with everyone. And if you gum-pizza-ladies are not willing to share yourself with every horny man (and, presumably, lesbian) who happens to notice you in your slut uniform, you are committing a terrible infraction.
Oh, sure, wearing a totally cute outfit is not specifically against the law, but, as Dannato reminds us,
looking for refuge in explicit written law is inherently disingenuous. …
[W]omen exposing themselves without intent to reciprocate the attention they attract is impolite and inconsiderate – an act of aggression in which they use the power of their sex as a weapon.
So how can men defend themselves against such evil feminine perfidy? By yelling “hey, whore! How much?” or “can I squeeze those titties?” or “Can you give me directions to Pussy Avenue?” Because street harassment – sorry, catcalling – is
a defense mechanism used by lower status men against women flaunting themselves publicly – for the benefit of millionaires only.
What else are men supposed to do?
[M]en are effectively strapped down, gagged, and muzzled while females can flaunt and taunt with impunity. For many men this pretty much sums up every single day of an entire lifetime at school and at work.
And women won’t even admit that when they put on a cute outfit and leave the house that they’re doing it to torment men.
Western Women don’t just abuse their incredible sexual power, they pathologically lie about their inability to understand the effects and implications of their actions. In fact, they seem to derive a sort of sociopathic pleasure from being able to sow unpleasantness and discord without consequence – all while playing innocent. They express their contempt and hatred for men even as they troll the populace for providers. Their enormous power comes without responsibility and they love it that way.
And now these evil women have come up with an even-more-dastardly-than-usual way to torment men “[i]n the most vengeful, derisive, and mocking way they know how.” Yep, you guessed it: The SlutWalks. Large groups of women tormenting men with sexy clothes in unison!
Apparently overwhelmed by contemplation of the sheer feminine evil of the SlutWalks, Giovanni ends his post abruptly at this point.
I admit I don’t have the patience to wade through the comments. If any of you do, please post any of your findings below.
EDITED TO ADD: Ironically, Ferdinand Bardamu (the guy behind In Mala Fide) aids and abets the evil sexy-woman assault on men with his own retro porn site Retrotic. NSFW, of course. And if Dannato’s post is to believed, not safe for straight men generally.
NOTE: This post contains sarcasm.
Posted on November 28, 2011, in $MONEY$, alpha males, creepy, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, sexual harassment, sluts. Bookmark the permalink. 517 Comments.
NWOslave has a new penpal.
Also, if “provacative” women’s wear is assault, then I must be Superman, seeing how interact with women almost daily.
Those poor, poor men. Always at the whims of their biology.
Yep once again we find that the biggest threat to mens activism are the fucking people who are supposedly sticking up for us.
Keep it up manosphere dudes keep denying me my strength, my compassion, my integrity in fact everything which makes me human and we will see what affect it has on peoples opinions towards men. its funny and quite scary the way you actively contribute to the demonisation of the male gender you claim to hate so much.
And, in the same vein, everytime I see someone with a hat I love, I must loudly declare a) my appreciation of it and b) my intent to steal it.
Is contradicted by the fact that men are freely allowed to catcall women all they want with zero repercussion except for that one website David mentions. They also get to do this while walking around.
So you know…he is dumb.
What is acceptably modest clothing? that’s the question you never get the straight answer to. Not from MRA’s, anyway. Religiousy Types at least give you some guidelines. Rational Secular/Non-denominational MRA’s.. No, there’s just slut and… you know what slut isn’t, and you slut anyway! sluts
We’ve been trying for months to get NWOslave to answer the question. He won’t answer, of course.
None of this is actually about helping women not to be raped, as they sometimes claim. It’s all about blaming women for being raped. If there’s a clear guideline, then there might be some women out there who deserve sympathy, even by their standards, and we can’t have that. Oh no.
women in burkas get raped.
Wait. First she’s forcing herself on all passerby indiscriminately, then it’s only for a few millionaires? Make up your mind! And it’s not false advertising if everyone knows it’s for millionaires.
As far as the comments…ugh. Savrola wrote:
“Ubermind,” apparently very religious, ended one of his comments with this:
Beach? That’s a weird exception, and a dangerous one. Beaches will become centers of sinning–and worse, dancing!
The incisive tspoon wrote this steaming pile:
…Owly? Also, simple: don’t violate someone else’s bodily integrity. That’s why.
Ubermind again, responding to someone else’s argument with some of the comments:
Uh, not how that works, dude.
The author, Giovanni, comes in at one point to respond to some criticisms.
Fired, jailed, and defamed? The delusion is strong with this one. Continuing:
Men are mindless sex zombies when in the presence of women, apparently.
And I just wanted to mention this bit from the OP:
When is this bullshit going to die? Giovanni and most of the commenters have so little understanding of the reality around them, it’s truly saddening.
To sum up:
Slutwalks are about suppressing free speech.
Female power is showing skin, male power is rape, totes same thing!
You can go to jail for looking at someone a few seconds too long (there are cameras and time quotas)
Women who get catcalled are merely being shamed for dressing so loosely, men don’t actually want to see that. Yuck! Women have cooties!
Men = mindless sex zombies.
Attractive women only have sex with millionaires.
Forcing women to wear burkas is civilized.
Just another day in MRAland. But remember, feminism is just like this but against men!
Since there’s no telling what clothing is likely to attract the attention of men you meet more at less at random in the course of a day — even wearing a burlap sack could be, uhh, triggering for some men — then the In Mala Fide article is effectively demanding women adopt purdah, and wear something like a burqa if they are going to be seen in public.
Naturally, the article pointedly avoids suggesting similarly modest clothing for men — after all, it’s not as if men ever provide “eye candy” for anyone else. Riiiiight.
Did NWO get a new screen name and an editor?
I guess these dudes just never want us to leave the house, since they won’t tell us what acceptable clothing is.
Fuck these guys.
The whole argument hinges on not defining “slutty” appearance too specifically. If they named something outrageous, it would be obvious most women don’t do that. If it was too pedestrian, it would be obvious nothing short of burqas could really satisfy them.
Except burqas are a Muslim thing and they can’t have that.
The male equivalent of dressing sexy is…dressing sexy, not raping someone. There was a particularly beautiful boy I saw today who was wearing a vest that flatterd him nicely, how could I have had the magnificent willpower to not scream “nice vest, slut!” at him before trying to rape him? I manage this with sexy women too, not harassing, assaulting, or raping them. I have mad fucking skills.
And the male equivalent of being raped is not seeing a sexy woman, it is being raped, ffs.
I accused my neighbor of dressing sexy just to taunt and me she outright slapped me! If that isn’t an admission of guilt, I don’t know what is.
So am I falsely advertising to women and any gay/bi men when I wear a tight t-shirt and tight jeans? Am I showing off my muscles just so I can snag a rich widow?
Oh wait, no because women don’t have any sexual desire in MRA land outside of it being a tool to oppress them.
God I hate these guys…
Not that I’m that muscular… just making a point.
I have to wonder what kind of lives these guys lead, if seeing a woman in short shorts is such a terrible “assault”.
@darksidecat
“The male equivalent of dressing sexy is…dressing sexy”
I thought we went over biology 101?
Perhaps I was a bit too long-winded.
Womens sexuality is her body.
Mens sexuality are their actions.
Men are atrracted to a womans body.
Women are attracted to a mans actions/talent/wealth/power.
Denial of facts are a sign of willful ignorance.
I was having a discussion with some condescending idiot around the time of the slutwalks: this guy calling the walkers naive, posting the old ‘getting drunk and dressing slutty is like walking through the ghetto with gold chains hanging out of your arse pocket, the rapist/thief is in the wrong but what did you expect blah blah silly girls I have fixed all your problems’ analogy
After trying and failing to explain that semi-conscious drunk & half naked is the extreme end of the behaviour that will get you labelled a deserving slut if you’re attacked, I asked him what clothes he found attractive and not overly promiscuous. He posted a pic of girls in short spaghetti-strap dresses, well above the knee and pretty revealing, more so than I’d wear anyway.
What’s ‘slutty’ is arbitrary to these guys. If we all went around in bedsheets, they’d probably be calling us stuck-up bitches who thought our precious bodies were too good to be sullied by the gaze of beta losers or something.
NWO: I’m attracted to men’s bodies. Guess that makes me a great big freak. *rolleyes*
“Denial of facts are a sign of willful ignorance.”
Refusal to cite sources for claims is a sign of bullshit.
Now eyes are a cause of temptation. http://www.thefrisky.com/2011-11-18/tempting-eyes-can-now-get-you-in-trouble-in-saudi-arabia/
Hey NWOSlave: what do lesbians find attractive in women?
And while we’re at it, what do gay men find attractive in other men?
NWO, you of all people shouldn’t be lecturing anyone on willful ignorance. It’s kind of your thing.
I guess a million people here could talk about how they, personally, are attracted to men’s bodies and NWO won’t care, right? Eh, I’m bored.
NWO: I’m attracted to men’s bodies. Including strangers, who may be unemployed for all I know. Or be total jerks.
I know I like men who are chubby. Crush is the most attractive of all of the chubby guys in the entire world even if he is a Republican.
I like men’s bodies, too!
NWO’s view of humanity is so depressingly boring, I don’t even know why he thinks we evolved big brains in the first place. If we’re all so cookie-cutter, we could get by with reptile brains, which would save a lot of energy.
@ Morchella, the same goes for bisexuals like myself — I find myself physically attracted to all manner of men, women, and trans* people. But clearly in the stark binary world of people like Bardamu and Owly, that makes me abnormal, or an abhorrence. :-(
Evil cleavage attack! Pow!
Shorter NWO: Men are people, women are bodies.
“[M]en are effectively strapped down, gagged, and muzzled while females can flaunt and taunt with impunity. For many men this pretty much sums up every single day of an entire lifetime at school and at work.”
And they say women can’t control their hormones. Really dudes, get a hold of yourselves!
“When a woman walks down a crowded sidewalk in revealing clothing, she is forcing herself on every man nearby.”
When a man walks down a crowded sidewalk shirtless, he is forcing everybody to give him pink belly or purple nurples.
Is it wrong of me to be tempted to take that as an excuse to start posting pictures of guys I think are hot
NWO should move to the Rockies, only maybe not while I’m here. For nine months out of the year, “dressing slutty” means wearing a short-sleeved shirt.
That’s not really what you would call established facts. Most of is doesn’t even mean anything.
This is human 101:
Men can be attracted to a womans body. Or to a man’s body. Or to their mind, their accomplishments, and an almost infinite number of things. And same thing is true for women.
Humans are complex and your hateful wishful thinking doesn’t define reality.
But, logic and reality aside, why do you think MRA claims that only the likes of Brad Pitt can get laid? What about “women only date tall men”, is being tall a talent now? What about sexy vampire, or erotic literature, do you think so many women like that because of the accomplishment of the characters? Why do you think about women who watch porn, are they just pretending to enjoy it or are they attracted to the power of porn stars?
And finally:
Why on earth do you believe you have any kind of insight about women sexuality? It’s frigging hard to both hate a group and understand it. Probably impossible.
And you’re still not all the men. Your sexuality does not mean anything about other men’s sexuality. Stop trying to make your gender so creepy.
Oh, let’s all do it! Can we embed pictures, I wonder? Here:
Pre-debauched, even! The guy on the left is totally my lesbian exception. I would play his drums ANY day, I’m just saying.
@Integral: it will probably mean that you’re a slut (though, what doesn’t?), but please do!
Awww, embedding fail. Here’s the link instead.
I do like the female form and enjoy the sight of naked women.
yes I may be a pervert and I’m okay with that.
I’ve never raped anyone and don’t have the desire to.
Anyways, I support women’s topfreedom in the name of gender equality.
Nude beaches for all I say!
on another note, Quiet Riot Girl is a blogger that argues that males bodies are increasingly becoming more “objectified” and talks about “metrosexuality.”
http://quietgirlriot.wordpress.com/
and then these same manosphere men will shriek at how the horrible feminists brainwashed women into fearing men or thinking of them all as potential rapists.
If these guys insist that they are not in control of their hormones and biological urges, then they should accept that women will fear them and regard them with disgust.
I can’t fathom how some people are so unbelievably stupid that they are unable to see their own contradictions and recognize that they pretty much agree with their “enemy” regarding biological determinism and male sexuality.
Fortunately outside the manosphere, most men and women understand that people can control their sexual urges and know that a flash of cleavage is not an invitation to sexual assault.
And on the topic of looking, how hard is it to discreetly check someone out without blatantly staring and drooling? Are manosphere dudes so socially inept that they can’t differentiate between the two?
Ugh. No need to even answer that one.
Although I recommend looking him up on Youtube, because he’s an amazing dancer. The man moves like Gumby!
Ryan McDonald Even if he is a little young for me.
yum
NWOslave, would you please list the factors that led you to determine that the statement “Womens sexuality is her body. Mens sexuality are their actions. Men are atrracted to a womans body. Women are attracted to a mans actions/talent/wealth/power.[sic]” had predictive value?
@stonerwithaboner, being attracted to people doesn’t make you a pervert.
Hot guys!
and also
http://img.poptower.com/pic-52256/db-woodside.jpg?d=600
Yaaaaay!
Brian Cox
(Attracted to his brain too, to be fair)
We also have an entire thread for this in the forum. So you should all repost there too :) You can embed pictures!
Men are people, women are bodies.
Yup.
NWO, I thought you were Christian. Matthew 5:29, baby.
I don’t get this whole attitude. I really don’t. Living in the San Francisco Bay Area, I see plenty of gorgeous gay guys in sexy outfits, just flaunting the fact that they’re hot and have no interest in sex with me. It is AWESOME.
“gorgeous gay guys”
But Shaenon, they’re all pedos and ax murderers! Thinking men are sexy is UNNATURAL!
OK, I’m reading that NWO thing to mean that he’s into evo psych and biological determinism.
Which essentially means that any remaining shred of respect I had for him based in his occasional ability to spell has gone, and all I can do now is point and laugh.
Dude, you’re a joke.
NWO, you still need to tell women what to wear. Clearly, that will solve all sorts of problems and bring an end to the feminazi gestapo. The longer women are allowed to wear what they wat, the longer you suffer. So why aren’t you in a hurry to make a decision?
It’s pretty funny that NWO is into evo-psych, when last we discussed it, he didn’t believe in evolution.
Evolution is not true but evo psych is because SCIENCE
or something
I’ve now lost track of who posted that Hot Chelle Rae video in which thread, but I can’t help noticing that those guys are rather fine. Even though I get the sense that this is what we’re going to laugh at in 20 years.
I’m posting this as an observation as someone whose read many different things in the manosphere (and even gotten stuff posted at Inmalafide.)
If you see “contradictions,” that’s because there are, there are “white power” guys vs mixed race guys vs others etc. There are PUA’s like Roissy/Heartiste and Roosh V who make fun of MRA’s like Paul Elam. Then Mr. Elam insults PUA’s, even Fidelbogen and Alek Novy will often post against PUA’s and “Gamers.” So it’s all kind of funny in a way….
It would be kind of like Hugo Schwyzer making fun of Roger Jensen, then Clarisse Thorn saying that they are both prudes, then Twisty Faster and Amanda Marcotte saying that none of the others even get “it” and the real problems are such and such….
Well, he did say we should dress like Mennonites, but he failed to specify whether he meant these Mennonites: http://www.travelandtransitions.com/stories_photos/images/Aug3-Clonmel/mennonite-choir.jpg or these Mennonites: http://www.kciiradio.com/2010/08/iowa-mennonite-students-travel-thousands-of-miles-for-government-sanctioned-cultural-exchange-2/
I’m so confused.
The “women aren’t attracted to male bodies” argument is way more fun to disprove than the “women don’t really get harassed” one.
Still waiting for that definition of “slutty” clothing. Owly’s “Dress like a menonite” in the other thread didn’t really help matters.
Yes, the diversity of opinion in the MRM is stunning, what with some of them being racist misogynists and some of them being less racist misogynists.
…”mixed race guys?” Really?
Holly, read this….
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/11/05/the-real-significance-of-occupywallstreet/
Dude, why would we go read some random In Mala Fide post?
Because it’s racist!
I guess we know stonerwithaboner isn’t one of them “mixed race guys.”
katz, suit yourself….
I go everywhere, from Pandagon to AVfM, Quite Riot Girl, Feminist Critics, hell I’ve even read about prison rape at Stormfront and those losers would love to throw me in an oven while pretending the Holocaust never happened…..
Well that was super racist! I’m sure glad you shared that, stonerwithaboner, for… reasons.
…
I guess I missed those decades.
Holly, read the comments section ;)
Stoner, I think we already mocked that article.
oh, and I don’t expect a “cookie” if you read my comments, I expect I’ll be called an asshole, but since I hope I am dealing with intelligent people, that they can make a distinction that i am a different sort of asshole…..
Oh hey, good for you, Stoner.
It’s pretty funny there are guys there trying to define themselves as “unmixed whites.” Like they had their own personal Garden of Eden in Sweden or they descended from only blond apes.
I don’t know why you’re aiming so low, stoner, an asshole is an asshole regardless of difference.