Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
That’s lovely for you, Brandon, and I’m glad you grew up with great parents. My father is a selfish, immature asshole. My mother wasn’t shitty by any means; she was dealing with circumstances beyond anything I can even imagine. I was just pointing out that, in my situation, the disrespectful behavior of my father (and it was massively disrespectful) was far worse than that of my mother. Actually, her lack of tact about his behavior was probably far better for my psyche in the long run, because she was clearly showing that I shouldn’t have to put up with his shit. So, no, “disrespect” as you define it is not necessarily worse than, again, using your children to get back at their other spouse.
“@Lauralot: I would still rather fuck a Real Doll than a man hating feminist (i.e you).”
You know you’re talking to the girl who doesn’t want to fuck anything, right? Aside from that being an elementary school taunt, why in the hell do you think I’d give a shit?
@Lauralot: Again, there are multiple forms of support. When it comes to emotional and psychological support, I will give everything I can to my kid. But when it comes to money, I have the right to not be taken advantage of, to question the intentions of the mother and to decide if it is in the best interests of my child. This is especially true if she is calling me looking for a favor and we aren’t together.
Lauralot: he’d rather fuck a Real Doll than you! BURN!
Yeah, like she doesn’t have an elaborate system of valves and pumps. Whatevs.
A clever retort would have been something like “I don’t have to tape my RealDoll encounters!”
Not “Hey woman who hates my guts, you don’t get my dick that you don’t want! Also, you hate boys! Na na na na naa!”
Brandon! Are you Canadian?
My USian mother to me as a child: Kristin, go clean your room.
Child me: OK.
My Canadian dad: Kristin, can you go clean your room?
Child me: Do I have to?
Dad: Yes.
Me: Then why did you ask?
Eventually my mother explicitly told me that when Daddy asked me to do something like that it wasn’t a request but an instruction I needed to follow, that he was just freakishly polite.
In spite of being half USian I definitely use the Canadian form of request with my husband (ie., “Can you pick up some dog food this afternoon/get that client to pay you/ figure out which cellphone you want to get before the sale ends?”) Seriously, Brandon, I would suggest you move here and find a Canadian girl if you want someone who’ll phrase all needs as polite requests rather than use the word “need”. She would probably find you a loud, boorish, overbearing asshole, but at least YOU’D be respected!
Also keep fucking that chicken.
“Selflessness” as an ideal makes for a horrible relationship. People who do not value themselves or their contributions, and see them as valued by their partner, are generally extremely unhappy. Telling people to “sit back and swallow the shit because anything else is selfish” creates miserable relationships. Granted, people can go too far in loving themselves and become arrogant or narcisstic (fyi, the selflessness comment coming from grand narcissist Brandon is rather hilarious), but people who do not love themselves and take themselves into consideration at all, well, that’s pretty much a form of severe clinical depression. Making small compromises isn’t bad, but being expected to sacrifice all of yourself and all of who you are is horrible. I most certainly do not want my partners to be selfless, nor will I be selfless myself. I want them to be confident and secure in who they are and to love themselves, ideally (I’m not saying I wouldn’t date someone with serious self esteem or depression issues…actually, considering my personality, it probably is a good idea for me and for them if I try and avoid those situations).
So, not selfless at all. As usual, the expectation to give up all of one’s self and one’s own interests in a relationship is only thrown at the woman.
I also suspect his “slut” notions only apply to women. By your own standards, aren’t you a slut, Brandon?
And the child raising, Brandon seems more than willing to deliberately inflict suffering on a child as a petty form of control and punishment on the other parent. Please, Brandon, get that vasectemy ASAP.
I am actually against marriage as a legal and socio-cultural institution. I only see same sex marriage rights as a bandaid solution to get people the immediate legal benefits that we have asininely attached to marriage until we can strip those benefits from having to be married for all people as the long term solution. Granted, perhaps if we eliminate all of the social and legal privileges of marriage some people’s relationships will still look like what we would view today as “marriages”, but it would be a moot distinction from other forms of relationships.
Of course, Brandon’s views about marriage are rooted in sexism rather than genuine social critique, and his relationship and childrearing standards are unhealthy and damaging even outside of a marriage arena.
It is a favor to take care of one’s child? What a weird way of looking at it.
…But if it’s a favor for the kid, you’d still be all questioning? How is that not disrespectful to her? Unless, using the above examples, you think she’s running a black market Trapper Keeper and birthday cake operation and sees you as the patsy supplier?
@Kristen: Cute.
Also, Brandon is transforming Ashley into an unmarriageable slut, but that’s OK as long as Brandon’s getting some.
Who can tell the difference between NWO/DKM/Brandon in this sentence: A polite and respectful woman…always at the top of the marriage/dating list!
Nope, me neither.
Brandon: I care about my partner’s sluttiness.
This sluttiness you won’t define. It’s sort of like NWO and clothes. You have this deal-breaker, but you won’t define it.
Brandon: @random: And what makes good parents? One parent treating the other one like shit? That must be really good for the child’s psyche. And in my opinion the child’s psyche is far more important than a Trapper Keeper and a few pens.
What I see is that you want to treat the mother like shit. You think that’s better than her not using the formula you like to express the situation.
That’s controlling, and abusive.
Brandon: @hellkell: No I get it. You want me to say “I am a slut and it is wrong to demand that my partner isn’t one”
But I don’t think it is wrong…so I am not going to say it.
So you don’t Believe in equality. Got it.
We also see that you are a hypocrite. You keep telling us that you hold everyone to the same standard. You don’t. You have the “Brandon Standard”, and the “Rest of the world standard”.
Brandon:
Feminism is totally cool with switching the genders, and giving people of all genders choices.
Polliwog:
And a perhap greater number who are neutral on it; the claim that most women are turned off by men who won’t support their lying-on-the-couch-eating-bonbons lifestyle is almost certainly false.
Brandon:
I demand that you refrain from cutting your balls off with a straight razor. I demand it!
Brandon, I NEED you to not PayPal me $50. I demand you don’t do such a thing! I won’t let you PayPal me $50!
$100 is completely unacceptable.
@ Hershele, given that there were nearly 1,000 comments over on the “How do I make my boner go away?” thread, I’m surprised one of our regular trollish posters didn’t suggest a bilateral orchidectomy could be a permanent and satisfactory solution to the MGTOW guy’s woes, instead of the masturbation-and-prostitution strategy – except that feminists are not actually in favour of men mutilating themselves, and the supposition that all feminists want to “emasculate” men (aside perhaps for a selected breeding stock?) is simply unevidenced and wrong.
You guys are mean. In the best possible way.
He implied he’s completely OK with that, here:
Brandon, I thought you were a Libertarian. How would the market work, as a system, if every person in it held the people he or she did business with to standards he or she was unwilling to meet? Forget that, how would the world work if everyone believed the same thing that you do?
VoiP – Brandon has declared allegiance with the tribe of loonies? Huh. Honestly wouldn’t have thought. But not surprised. We do breed the trolliest trolls…
Brandon assumes he would not live with his wife and child?
Brandon:
I know plenty of women who date with and sleep with unemployed men. And vice versa. That’s because in my world, people are attracted to other people as people, not as an incidental by-product of a bulging wallet.
Yes, what with you being such a globally renowned expert in child rearing.
No, mutual support. Which occasionally – sometimes often – involves one person doing something they don’t especially want to do, because it’s necessary to make sure that things run smoothly. Ten minutes ago, I didn’t particularly want to go out to fetch something from the car in the freezing cold wearing only a dressing gown, but it needed doing.
Please cite a single post by Lauralot that confirms that she’s “man hating”. Posts being rude about you don’t count: you need something more generalized.
But to end on an upbeat note, thanks for the laughs. Seriously, your attempt to lecture us about marriage and child-rearing, two immensely complex and nuanced subjects that demand personal experience in order to discuss them without coming across as a deluded fool, is one of the funniest things I’ve read in ages.
My definition of an expert is “someone who knows how much he/she doesn’t know”. But you don’t have the faintest clue how much you don’t know, and the fact that this is so glaringly obvious to everyone else is what makes your posts so irresistibly hilarious.
VOIP: Also, Brandon is transforming Ashley into an unmarriageable slut, but that’s OK as long as Brandon’s getting some.
I know, poor Ashley will never be able to get married after slutting around with Brandon – no decent man wants a non virgin for a wife!
@Jill: There is still hope. Slutiness is more about reputation and appearances than anything real. So, if she is std and child free, if she dresses modestly and pretend she had never or almost never had sex, she could still get a good husband.
Wetherby: Yes, what with you being such a globally renowned expert in child rearing.
You forget, Brandon is an expert in everything. Psychology (he can lead a woman into admitting her feminism, every time.
Law (his father was a lawyer, he grew up hanging out with judges).
Marriage (a worthless institution, with no benefits to men)
Contracts (Anything can be replicated with contracts, and they are as easy as two people agreeing to something; then everyone else adheres to those wishes).
Economics (Gold is the best currency, it will solve the world’s: or at least the US’s, financial woes).
Defense Against False Accusations (one just secretly tapes anything one is worried about being falsely accused of. It’s ok if that’s against the law, it’s better to commit a lot of felonies than the risk of being falsely accused)
And we have here his distilled wisdom on parenting, sexual morés and the virtues of hypocrisy.
a non virginsomeone who shows poor judgement for a wife!Crap.. the last was a response to Jill the Spinster. I don’t know how it moved into the buffer, it was in a separate notepad entry.
Jill the Spinster: I know, poor Ashley will never be able to get married after slutting around with Brandon – no decent man wants
a non virginsomeone who shows poor judgement for a wife!I love how demanding respect from people is twisted by feminists to mean “controlling and abusive”.
And please…can someone tell me how my hypothetical child would “suffer” if I denied him a few pens and paper? Now if I was refusing to take the kid to the hospital…that would be suffering and abuse. A kid losing out on a few pens isn’t.
@Pecunium: I can’t define it because it is subjective to every man. Some men see no problem with a woman that has slept with 100 dudes. Some say she is a whore after 1 guy. I am sort of in the middle, where it is unrealistic to demand virginity in today’s society but If I was comparing two woman, I would most likely go for the one that had fewer partners.
Also, “equality” in the context of dating is retarded. While I am for equality when it comes to the courts and economics. Things like dating are never going to be equal and it is silly to think that they could be.
It seemed like a perfectly valid point to me – you do mention “respect” a lot, without much in the way of acknowledgement that it has to be earned.
I suspect I’m far from alone in not really sensing much affection between you and Ashley – you’re constantly talking about “respect” and “rules”, but I don’t get even the tiniest hint of what she’s like as an individual person or what you both get out of your relationship. Whereas plenty of others here – and I daresay that includes me too – have sketched very vivid keyboard-portraits of their loved ones.
Suppose they refused to tell you, on the entirely reasonable grounds that it’s none of your damn business what they got up to before they met you?
Like I said, Brandon, keep fucking that chicken.
Do you ever admit you’re wrong? Ever?
It’s supremely douchey to say to your kid “Mommy didn’t ask for something you need in precisely the right way, so I am not getting it for you! Because my needs are more important that yours, Brandon Jr.!” Multitudes of posters have pointed out why. But much like the famous “I will video all my sexual encounters to protect myself from false rape accusations” thread, you just will not admit that you said something stupid and assholish.
Gosh, you must be FUN to work with!
@Wetherby: By respect I mean be polite, friendly and respectful until the other person has been impolite, unfriendly, rude or insulting. To point to a cheesy ad movie, this line from Road House sums it up nicely, “I want you to be nice until it’s time to not be nice”.
I basically walk through this world based mostly on that. Family, friends, random strangers get respect from me by default until they are rude or insulting. At which point I become less respectful or I might verbally snap back if they are overly insulting. I am not going to reward bad behavior by doing something for someone while they are showing me no respect or appreciation that I am doing it for them. That is just a recipe for getting walked on your whole life.
I don’t really talk about Ashley that way here because she has asked me not to. She is very private about certain things and she doesn’t want certain information just thrown out on the internet. I respect that choice and I try not to divulge certain personal information about her. I care far more about her than what a handful of commenters think (“Ashley”, “Ashnostic”, etc…). I don’t have to prove that she exists or that she is my girlfriend, because I already know the answer and I don’t really care if virtually anonymous commenters think differently. That is not my problem…but theirs.
Overall though, my relationship doesn’t really have that many “rules” and we are pretty open and free-spirited. We have a few basic expectations of each other (no cheating. respect one another even while disagreeing, etc…). You know, basic civility. Other than that, we just enjoy each others company and try to do things we both like.
So if you talked to your partner wrong and she threw a shitft and refused to do something for your child, (nothing life-threatening!), would you humbly accept that?
(Projected Brandon answer: “I wouldn’t make a mistake!”)
The issue is not “rewarding someone who asked you to do something incorrectly,” Brandon, the issue is “hurting someone else for actions of another.”
If Mom said “you NEED to buy me a birthday cake” you are not hurting anyone else by telling her no since she was in your view rude.
If Mom said “you NEED to buy Billy a birthday cake” and you refuse because she said it in a way you dislike and view as disrespectful (the rest of us just look at it as splitting up the chore list for a kid’s birthday), you are punishing the child for the mother’s action.
Even if it is just something like pens for school, it is still punishing the child for the mother’s actions to ensure her compliance with your demands.
Ashley is very private, but she’s fine with posts like “Ashley was on her knees…what did I miss?” and the one where you read these posts aloud to her and she giggled and asked you to spank her?
Suuuuure she is. Sure.
You think equality in relationships is ridiculous…yet in this exact thread you said that you and your partner are held to the exact same standards.
And by all means, please provide examples of my “man-hating.” Remember: Insulting you doesn’t count.
“I love how demanding respect from people is twisted by feminists to mean “controlling and abusive”. ”
I love how you demand respect, yet don’t tolerate anyone demanding anything of you. Odd.
Also, Brandon-this?
“Overall though, my relationship doesn’t really have that many “rules” and we are pretty open and free-spirited. We have a few basic expectations of each other (no cheating. respect one another even while disagreeing, etc…). You know, basic civility. Other than that, we just enjoy each others company and try to do things we both like.”
…sounds perfectly reasonable.
Everything else you’ve posted-you won’t “let” her, “allow” her etc etc ad nauseum, doesn’t sound reasonable. And if she’s so private, why do you talk about her giving you head while you are on the internet?
Doesn’t Ashley like being fucked up against a wall, too?
Or maybe Brandon likes it and she just puts up with it: I don’t recall her opinion on the matter, or indeed if it was ever sought.
You can’t gaslight in print, idiot. Every post in this thread defined “support” as, broadly, financial, except this one.
The kid would be suffering if those were class requirements and zir grade would suffer if zie didn’t bring those materials.
The woman’s opinions of herself, of course, have no bearing on this.
Have you ever told us why, beyond a cluster of inept analogies about drunk driving?
And, in the absence of an answer about how you think the world would work if everyone in it had double standards like you, I’m just going to assume that you haven’t thought this through at all. As usual.
“Fine with” = “Put up with this or I leave you.” It’s a simple transaction, after all.
Brandon seems to have no clear distinction between “things you can probably get away with” and “things you should do.” It’s kind of a chilling recurring theme.
New! Soft!! Flexible!!! Robots!!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/nov/28/soft-robots-flexible-friends
One more step, and DKM’s Fembots will be here, all soft and squishy!
**hides under covers with cats**
@Holly: If I was acting in a way that was rude, hostile or insulting and she called me on it, I wouldn’t assume that she would just do what I wanted because a child was involved. If I am behaving in a rude manner, I am capable of seeing that people don’t do things for rude assholes. People that are friendly and polite tend to get far more than rude, hostile people.
It is basic psychology that people are more willing to do something for someone that is pleasant and respectful. What is funny is that you don’t see that.
@Elizabeth: Actually I am betting on the mother realizing that “being an entitled pain in the ass” isn’t the correct way to approach people and accomplish tasks. Maybe if I do it once, she will be smart enough to figure out that rudeness won’t get her what she wants.
Also, when it comes to food, clothes, shelter and health needs…I wouldn’t be doing this. Those needs are far more important. However, when it comes to simple everyday favors, I think it is appropriate.
@Lauralot: Strangely, Ashley doesn’t really have any hangups about sex. However, there are a couple of family stories that are pretty private for her. I find those stories to be rather mild-mannered but she doesn’t want other people to know. But she could really care less about sex. I actually find it rather endearing and cute…but that’s me.
@Voip: How about “these are my boundaries and relationship dealbreakers and if you break or cross one, I will break up with you.”. I doubt you would still be with someone that broke one of your dealbreakers…so why is it so wrong for me to have any?
@Jules: Because I don’t like people that aren’t paying me (i.e my boss gets a pass) to just assume that they can order me around to do their bidding. I am not a pack mule or a talking wallet. And if you treat me as such, I will not do what you want because you are showing me little to no respect. Which means that by doing what you want, I am enabling people to be disrespectful towards me. However, if you treat me with respect or even basic civility, I tend to be very generous.
Brandon:
I’m ten years into my marriage, and we’ve never once felt the need to introduce “dealbreakers”. Why do you think that might be?
Oh, and I’m still waiting for an example of Lauralot being “man-hating”. You can’t hurl out serious accusations like that without backing them up – and if you can’t back them up, or refuse to, then you’re tacitly admitting that you’re full of shit.
…yeah… Part of politeness is forgiving minor faults (or “faults”) in others. If you’re polite so long as people do everything exactly the way you want it, you are not polite.
It’s not wrong exactly, but the way you lay them out is cold and controlling. It sounds more like the first day at an impossibly harsh boarding school (“if you talk out of turn, you will be expelled! if you are caught with outside food, you will be expelled!”) than like relationship negotiations
Childcare work and housekeeping is WORK. It is worth money. If someone is doing more than 50% of the childcare work in your house, they are giving you a thing of value. Unless you’re giving them an hourly rate for it, they are, in fact, “paying you.”
@Wetherby: Wait, so you’re saying if people ignore arguments in posts that they don’t like, those arguments don’t just cease to exist?
@Lauralot: It seems to me that if Brandon wants people to show him “respect”, it behoves him to do the same in return.
Which means that if he accuses someone of something and is challenged, he has two options: provide supporting evidence, or retract and apologize.
But simply ignoring the challenge is both disrespecting the challenger (i.e. me) and continuing to disrespect you. So why the hell should either of us show him any respect until he comes up with an adequate response?
Because he’s Brandon, presumably.
Well, there is that,
Children need pens and paper for schoolwork. To practice their writing and drawing, and develop fine motor skills and eye-hand coordination. To doodle on as a medium of self-expression, or to relieve their feelings, or to express their love to another person by giving them art and gifts. To communicate their intentions and thoughts. To transcribe their memories and document their experiences.
But I guess giving a child free access to this stuff might result in the child not developing a crushing guilt complex about what a burden they are to Brandon, and might allow them to create a sense of self and self-esteem independent of Brandon’s personal wishes and desires, hence gifts of pens and paper shall be verboten unless the child’s mother gives Brandon a particularly good blowjob, in which case he’ll deign to toss some school supplies at the greedy little slut’s whiny kid. Why couldn’t that bitch have gotten an abortion instead of manipulating him into spending money on someone other than himself? Packs of Bics are like three fucking dollars nowadays and gold doesn’t grow on trees.
Is a show of affection court-ordered? Then no. Money will be transferred electronically, begrudging, and late. His financial obligation would be precisely met and never exceeded.
Brandon would be a wonderful father.
So you assume that a person you refuse to do anything for if they phrase the request in a way you find objectionable will understand automatically why you simply refuse and that will “teach” them to only do things your way.
While at the same time denying your child a needed item because the other person did not phrase a request in a way that you and only you can determine is acceptable.
That is not how adults handle things they find annoying in their family members or friends. They let that person know what bothers them and give an example and then request a change in behavior. They do not just ignore the needed item as punishment. Especially if that ignoring is going to affect a different person.
And that is only if the person who asks you to do something does so in an actual rude manner-“You NEED to buy Billy XYZ asshole” is rude. “You NEED to buy Billy XYZ” is not.
I revise my estimate of your age upward to whatever age Dr. Venkman was in Ghostbusters because his idiotic demand for “please” was the same as yours.
I just realized: this discussion is now in the third newest post. Which means judging by Brandon’s usual schedule, he’ll probably stop responding to it, go to the latest post, and pretend this discussion never happened.
What a pity.
I see he’s still overly hung up on respect. Not controlling at all, nosiree.
Brandon, it’s been asked, but I think you selectively read over it: why in your hypothetical are you not living with the mother? Do you have that dim a view of… never mind, look who I’m talking to.
Anyway, if you are or aren’t living with her, how many contracts are involved?
The brandon show is much better now that people respond in videos. Though I have a special place in my heart for DSC responding to some inane and transparent lie with a compilation of Zim’s overly dramatic “HE LIEEEEEES”.
Brandon: @Pecunium: I can’t define it because it is subjective to every man
I didn’t ask you to define it for every man. I asked for your definition, and stipulated we would use that one.
It was in plain English.
Brandon: Also, “equality” in the context of dating is retarded. While I am for equality when it comes to the courts and economics. Things like dating are never going to be equal and it is silly to think that they could be.
I don’t really talk about Ashley that way here because she has asked me not to. She is very private about certain things and she doesn’t want certain information just thrown out on the internet</i
Like the way she likes to be tied up, or spanked, or how she giggles when you talk dirty, or that you were busy getting a blowjob, but not about how the two of you care about each other.
For most of us, the reverse is true. We are less willing to give details about others' sex lives than about the less socially risky aspects.
Brandon: I love how demanding respect from people is twisted by feminists to mean “controlling and abusive”.
I “love” the way you don’t ponder the idea of respecting someone enough to know when to use the word need.
@Holly: If I was acting in a way that was rude, hostile or insulting and she called me on it
Unless, of course, you didn’t think it was rude. Then I’ll wager the complaint becomes, “unreasonable” and “over-sensitive.”
Perhaps even disrespectful.
Because we already have your admission you keep one set of rules for yourself, and another for the rest of the world.
Also, when it comes to food, clothes, shelter and health needs…I wouldn’t be doing this. Those needs are far more important. However, when it comes to simple everyday favors, I think it is appropriate.
Because the only critical elements of the hierarchy of needs are the bottom rung of the ladder. I think it’s best, all in all, that you get that vasectomy; you don’t understand people, and you are a menace to children.
I love how demanding respect from people is twisted by feminists to mean “controlling and abusive”.
Dude. You said “demanding” right in that sentence. Being demanding and being controlling go hand in hand.
And please…can someone tell me how my hypothetical child would “suffer” if I denied him a few pens and paper?
If you’d spent half as much time thinking about this as thinking about ways you could be accused of rape, you’d have thought of dozens of ways.
@Wetherby: I am talking about dating…not marriage. When it comes to marriage, you should be WAY past the “dealbreakers” part of the relationship. There is a difference between “a woman I just started dating” and “my wife of 10 years”.
I don’t need to provide references, cite examples, etc,,, of lauralot’s man-hating ways. And even if I did, you would just bitch and moan about them. One’s opinion of another isn’t always objective.
@Holly: The definition of “politeness” does not state implicitly or explicitly that I have to absolve someone of their rudeness. But I guess to you having a vagina is reason enough to not be polite and civil to people, since you are defending my hypothetical baby mama so much. You got to stick up for the sisterhood…even when she is an impolite, rude bitch. You go girl!!
I am not asking people to do everything I tell them, I am asking them to be courteous and polite to me (even more so when they are asking me to do something for them). If you treat another human being in a hostile, rude manner, what makes you think 1) that is acceptable behavior? and 2) that that is the best way to accomplish tasks?
What is running through someone’s mind where they can say something like “Hey, you have to do X for me!” will even remotely get what they want. That might work on weak people without any dignity (or a spine for that matter)…but not me.
@Bagelsan: So it is abuse to not allow my child to doodle. There are people starving in third world countries and I am an abuser because, I in this one instance, didn’t allow the kid to doodle. Ya…ok.
Lastly, I am not asking for a blowjob, just for her to be polite and respectful. Otherwise, she wont get what she wants. The kid will get what they need. It just won’t be on the mother’s terms and in a way she wants them.
@Elizabeth: “You NEED to buy Billy XYZ” is just as rude and impolite. It implies that I don’t have a choice, which means that according to the speaker, I don’t have any autonomy. Meaning she doesn’t think I am even a person. I am just a means to get resources. Hence…fuck her.
BTW…my kid would not go without. I just wouldn’t rush over to hand the mother money. I would go to the store, buy the stuff and drop it off. If she is requesting money to buy school supplies…I will just go buy the supplies. If she want’s them in an hour, I drop them off in 2 hours. She might get what she wants…but it most certainly will not be on her terms.
I guess after 40 years of feminists fighting…they forgot the phase “you catch more bees with honey than vinegar”. It might be wise for you to adopt that attitude, because you will get a lot more out of life and people if you do.
@Pecunium: What do I look like? A dictionary? The standard definition at any major dictionary website will do. Go Google for yourself.
Menace to children. BWAAA….oh that’s rich.
@Katz: I can be demanding all I want. In order for it to be controlling, someone has to submit to that authority. I can demand something and that person is more than able to say “fuck off”. So In that instance, I am not controlling them.
Yeah, you do.
“You NEED to buy Billy XYZ” is just as rude and impolite. It implies that I don’t have a choice, which means that according to the speaker, I don’t have any autonomy.
Imagine the tantrums his kid will throw, since his dad is modeling “refuse to do something to prove that people can’t force you to do things” as appropriate behavior.
So basically, the mother is rude to you in your opinion and perhaps yours alone, but you still do the thing she wanted, only an hour later and in private (and god knows kids NEVER tell secrets or a new notebook wouldn’t be visible) and so you’ve accomplished exactly what?
Being late on the school supplies but still actually doing it? YOU SURE SHOWED HER!
God, Brandon you are a hot mess. I’m very glad you are getting a snip job so there won’t be some kid out there trying to make sense of the schizophrenic hypocrisy you call logic.
@Katz: No, you are just defending a hypothetical woman that is being inconsiderate. Do you always defend bad, obnoxious behavior?
@Jules: If the kid wasn’t around, she would get a ‘fuck off and don’t contact me again’. response.
I would have to tolerate her bad behavior only because the kid was involved. However, if it became a recurring theme, I would probably just take her to court for custody. Since she is unable to provide for my child after receiving child support.
So, are you admitting you can’t prove that I hate men?
Because if you are, you owe me an apology, Mr. I’m-Polite-and-Respectful.
Brandon: Of course not. I’ve never defended you, have I?
And why wouldn’t your child refuse to do things if he didn’t feel like it?
@Lauralot: I am admitting that I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone else and I am free to have any opinion I want of anyone.
What is obnoxious about a woman saying, Hey I need you to get milk at the store.
Wait, why are you assuming that you don’t have custody and are paying child support? Your child isn’t born with a restraining order, you know.
oh my goodness everyone, I managed to get Brandon to weaselly acknowledge that even if someone is rude, he is not supposed punish a third party!
IT IS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE.
I just asked my roommate if I said “you NEED to buy my sister some towels” would he think that is rude? Said just like you claim is so rude that you need to throw a temper tantrum over it and he said no.
I even asked him if he would think it is rude if I added you asshole and he said probably not.
So apparently you are the only person who gets offended to the extent you do over something so innocuous as someone putting emphasis on the wrong word.
Also I was not the one talking about money in this situation, I was strictly keeping it to the mother of your child requesting something like pens, no money to be given to her. And it would not matter if you took a few hours to get them to her-in your original scenario you would never give them to the child because the mother was so (in your view) unpardonably rude that you had to, again, pull a Dr. Venkman.
At least now you have realised that being such a dick to your kid is not the right thing to do, even if you still are being a petulant baby about the scenario.