Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
Even in the hypothetical scenarios you manipulate in your favor you are still a touchy jerk, Brandon.
Nobody wins here versus children.
You’re right, if genetics has anything to do with it.
And sadly, I have to leave, because it’s after midnight where I live, and I have to get up for a double school run tomorrow.
Brandon that’s not ordering. That’s nitpicking on your behalf. If she said, “Brandon, your duties today are x, and y, and z and don’t be late.” That’s ordering. Or, “Get the cake and that’s an order.” That’s an order.
I mean maybe she does need you to do something. “I have a broken foot and your daughter needs her cake for the party. I’m swamped and I’ paid for it.”
The key here is need. I want you to do something for me. Will you? I need you to do something for me, can you get the cake?
She isn’t saying, Brandon you bastard you never do anything for the family, if only you’d just get the fucking cake.
But it sounds like what you want is very precise subordinate language all the time.
Please Brandon, will you please get the cake I already paid for with my 50% of the money?
Brandon makes a stupid claim about an action. We call him on it and then he claims that is not what I meant-this is what I meant *cue reasonable claim.*
He cannot communicate well.
This is way late, but I’d just like to point out how amusing it is to see Brandon say that men can’t become stay-at-home dads because their friends will laugh at them. So much for ignoring what people say about you and going your own way, eh?
Also, using your children to get back at their other parent is vile .
Also, no one talks that way… Sure I can actually see a point where if I use the word “need” in a sentence rather than in a question, it seems more directive. But that’s a short cut for most people, not a contemptuous command.
Hey honey, we need milk at the store, pick some up while you are there….it’s more directive than
Hey honey, will you please get milk, since you’ll already be there? More of a question.
The underlying message is the same-we need milk in the house.
We use both forms in my house, both of us, at each other depending. The tone is generally always kind. No one seems to feel trodden upon.
Like when you roll in here with your dudely wisdom and tell us we’re wrong.
You do every time we won’t let you be Boss Feminist.
As far as you not raising a shallow dimwit, I’d pay to see that. You’re way too up your own ass and in love with what you see there, so you ending up with a brat is a foregone conclusion.
Brandon, if you want to complain at someone for being the Klan, why not complain at DKM?
@Voip:
Are you retarded?
1) I am not sleeping around. When I am not in a monogamous relationship, I will date multiple women at the same time.
2) I care about my partner’s sluttiness. Most women I have met don’t really care about how many women their current boyfriends slept with. But if they did, you would see men not fuck around so much.
Let me put it another way. Most women value a man with a job right? Far fewer women are going to date and sleep with a man who is unemployed. So it is in a man’s best interest to have a job.
On the other hand, most men don’t really care if the women they date have jobs or go to school. A woman’s career does very little in increasing her attractiveness to me and a lot of other men.
Also, I never said sluts are bad people, just that they are unsuited for the role of wife. I also wouldn’t hire a drunk to be a truck driver. Their lifestyle, behaviors and idiosyncrasies run counter to what makes a good wife.
I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one.
@Elizabeth: Just because someone tells me a child “needs” something doesn’t mean I think they do.
You don’t care if a woman you date has a job.
Yet you won’t support a woman you date.
It’s like musical chairs.
Men… don’t care if their partners have jobs? Uh. You do realize that contradicts what you said earlier this fucking thread.
Swing your goalpost round and round!
“I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one. ”
So the woman you marry will be marrying a slut and she shouldn’t mind? Don’t you want the woman you marry to have like, standards? It’d be like she was trusting a drunk to drive an eighteen wheeler!
THIS IS SLUTTINESS! RIGHT HERE!
Why do you hate in others the same thing that’s OK if you do it? Do you not see that this is hypocrisy?
Your wife, Brandon, your wife. Plenty of “sluts”, whether you’re talking about promiscuous women or people with actual sex addiction, have managed to have happy marriages. There’s nothing about having lots of sexual experience that makes it impossible to walk down the aisle.
Right, Lauralot. It makes no sense. And Brandon, if a teacher tells you the kid needs something for school, I guess you think you get to make the determination so long as the teacher acts subordinate enough?
Or if a doctor says, wow, this kid needs vitamins. Go get some. Then you decide who is right?
I suppose you’d do it if the doctor was an older man. God help your kid if the pediatrician is a chick.
Dude, you said this in the first thread you participated in here.
Brandon = this =Why do you hate in others the same thing that’s OK if you do it? Do you not see that this is hypocrisy?
How would you know your wife was a slut, Brandon? Do you really think a woman would be honest with you about her number? Do you think she wouldn’t be able to see the cartoon stink lines of disapproval coming off you when you asked the question?
I might divide by three if we’re imagining a world where I’m so dumb I’d even think about getting involved with a douche like Brandon.
… does Brandon think the vagina gets all used up? Or does he just think women are inherently less trustworthy than men?
So, wait, Brandon, you no longer care if Ashley has a job?
Does being a weasel ever get old?
I really need to just have that link on failure to communicate on my clipboard because that is not what anyone was referring to, including you.
What we were referring to is you refusing, simply out of spite, to purchase an item for your child because the mother phrased the request in a way you found objectionable. Not if this was a needed item or not. Just simply any item at all she asks you to pick up for your child because the child NEEDS this item.
And because she says it in the wrong way, you will deny your child. Punishing the child for no reason other then spite.
This is why you suck. Double standard much?
@Lauralot: Define “support the woman you date”.
@Jules: There is a difference between “your child needs X” and “I need you to go get X”.
Also, when I talk with Ashley, I always ask her if she wants to do something. I don’t just say “I need you to do X”. I ask her…”Ashley, can you please do X for me”. I actually treat her like a human and allow her to choose what she wants to do.
If being polite is submissive then this world is seriously fucked.
@hellkell: Umm…if a woman doesn’t want to marry me because she thinks I am a slut…well that is her choice as well.
So if Ashley said, offhandedly, “Hey, we need milk since you are going to the store.” Would you not get milk?
Brandon: I’m just trying to figure out how the example you gave *wasn’t* polite, is all? *confused*
“I actually treat her like a human and allow her to choose what she wants to do.”
@Elizabeth: I am not doing it out of spite. I am doing it because she was being disrespectful and I don’t reward people that are disrespectful. That just allows them to be even more disrespectful in the future. So unless I try and fix it now it will only get worse.
But in the hypothetical, you’re doing that by punishing the child. Parents who do that are not good parents.
How is saying’ “Hey we need milk” disrespectful?
I mean, I do get that you want to be polite to people and vice versa. But there is a huge difference between, “Hey we need milk” and “Get the fucking milk, ya bastid.” or whatever.
There’s tone, there’s context….If a teacher said, You need to help your child with reading.” The teacher is saying, “The kid needs help. You are the one to help them.” You must be at odds with most of the world Brandon.
And if you don’t help the child with reading because of the ill conceived grammar of the teacher, you are a big jerk.
Here are things that you said in this thread. It looks like you need help remembering stuff, so I copypasted them for you.
Since Brandon is a control freak (witness the overuse of the word “allow”), the latter way is telling him what to do and no one tells Baby to…I mean Brandon what to do.
By punishing your child because of the actions of another. Stellar reasoning there Brandon.
I’m trying to look at this in a way that doesn’t say “dog training,” and I just can’t.
@Jules: That is not an order is it? Nope.
If she said “Hey, get up and go to the store and buy milk”. That’s an order! I would tell her pompous assuming ass to fuck off and if she wants it so much, she can go get it.
We can rework that to “Hey, can you run to the store and buy milk because we need ran out?” Which I would most likely reply with “Sure, no problem. Do we need anything else since I am going out?”
A polite and respectful woman…always at the top of the marriage/dating list!
Brandon, are you so insecure that everything–including asking for fucking milk from the store–has to be about “respect” with you?
You know who’s real hung up on respect and control? Abusers.
Also appears to push over the line to abusive behavior really-calm down NWO, they are not living together so she cannot get him kicked out of his house-by harming someone she presumably loves to ensure her “proper” behavior.
Thank you for not getting it, yet again. Does stupid hurt?
Well, now I’m confused. How is “Hey, I’m really swamped getting things set up for Billy’s birthday party, so I need you to run by the store and pick up the cake” a rude order, then?
Also, you do realize that saying a women can just not choose to marry you is totally avoiding the question of what you think a slut is, right? How is a woman having more than one partner making her unmarriagable when you’ve admitted to doing the same and still want to get married? What is she doing that you aren’t?
Well I suppose we aren’t in disagreement Brandon. But can you see that your fixation on “respect” is kind of pathological? To the point of denying a kid something they might need? Then again, why do I ask? This is the same Brandon who thinks even though it might be illegal to film sex without someone’s knowledge, so long as it will protect him from some false allegation of rape, it’s totally ok.
Not ok to demand milk from the store. Totally ok to film someone naked without their knowledge or permission. No disrespect there.
Got it.
It is not respectful enough therefore to ensure that she never does it again, he will punish their child.
Which is nearly as fucked up as if he had hit her for saying it.
@Molly Ren: Having sex while possessing a vagina, that’s what.
@Voip: Apparently you are taking the word “support” WAY to literally.
Every quote was about financial support while the last quote was just an off the cuff comment about a social issue.
Support has many aspects to it: Physical, financial, emotional, psychological, etc…
So I think lauralot needs to be a little bit more specific when she is saying I wont support a woman I am dating. Basically she needs to back up her accusation, otherwise she is full of shit.
@random: And what makes good parents? One parent treating the other one like shit? That must be really good for the child’s psyche. And in my opinion the child’s psyche is far more important than a Trapper Keeper and a few pens.
Brandon, what the fuck does the woman get in this scenario? She has to be “polite and respectful” to someone who, from what I can see from your description, treats her and (if y’all have one) her child like shit, doesn’t support her, doesn’t even support the kid if she doesn’t kiss ass enough, and probably videotapes her having sex without her knowledge or consent. Meanwhile, he can sleep around, but if she does, she’s “like a drunk” and “not wife material.” Why on earth would a woman stay with a man who thinks as you do?.
Oh, well, Brandon, if it’s just off the cuff shit you’re spewing, that’s just fine.
/sarcasm
@hellkell: No I get it. You want me to say “I am a slut and it is wrong to demand that my partner isn’t one”
But I don’t think it is wrong…so I am not going to say it.
Voip, cause he’s Brandon! He’s totally awesome!
VoiP, the woman in this scenario gets nothing and likes it, apparently.
“So I think lauralot needs to be a little bit more specific when she is saying I wont support a woman I am dating. Basically she needs to back up her accusation, otherwise she is full of shit.”
In other words, I called the lie between you claiming that men don’t care if women they date have jobs despite your previous statements that you wouldn’t financially support a woman, so you make up some bullshit about clarity and what kind of support I’m talking about.
That, or your reading comprehension is even worse than previously thought.
So just say you’re cool with double standards and stop being such a fucking weasel.
“@hellkell: No I get it. You want me to say ‘I am a slut and it is wrong to demand that my partner isn’t one’
“But I don’t think it is wrong…so I am not going to say it.”
Okay, peeps: am I just too tired to read, or is it actually hard to tell whether he is agreeing or disagreeing with hellkell here?
Brandon, my father pulled that shit on my mother. My mother didn’t treat him with respect, because he didn’t deserve it. Guess which one I still speak to?
“VoiP, the woman in this scenario gets nothing and likes it, apparently.”
She probably gets a spanking.
“So just say you’re cool with double standards and stop being such a fucking weasel.”
Did you just TELL him what to do?! You monster! He’ll never do it now!
@Hellkell: I walk through life being polite and respectful to people and not demanding anything in return. I think it is funny that being polite and respectful is somehow “asking too much” of someone…especially when they are asking you for something.
Also, Ashley is a strong woman. If she didn’t like the way I am treating her, she wouldn’t take it and she would leave me. She hasn’t, so clearly I am treating her well. So the idea that I am abusive and controlling is even more hysterical.
@hellkell: I never said I was opposed to double standards.
Then Brandon? You are not accurately or adequately describing what you mean. Cause what you are saying? Is giving most of us the impression that you are a jackhole.
Molly, I have no fucking idea–I had to read it several times to parse the density, and that’s all I could come up with.
I’m sure Ashley loves it, Brandon. Did I tell you I’m Ashnostic?
RealDolls are strong women?! Meller will be none too pleased about this.
Very good, Brandon, you said something clearly. Here’s a cookie.
I still think you’re an asshole but at least you believe in something, even if it is your inalienable right to be a double-standard bearing douchebro jagoff.
I never said I was opposed to double standards.
You’ve repeatedly said that you obey the same rules you expect everyone else to obey. In related news, John McCain isn’t a maverick.
Jules: regarding Brandon, same point, just a different way of showing it.
@random: My parents didn’t get along at all (they can deal with each other in small increments). But they always treated each other with respect because they were trying to do right by me. They never argued or fought in front of me and neither one would bad mouth the other behind the other’s back. If my mother punished me right before my fathers weekend, my father would continue the punishment at his place. It wasn’t until I became an adult that my father told me that he hated doing it because he lost his time with me. But he did it because he thought stability was important and that I couldn’t just piss mom off before I left for his house. They held me accountable on a consistent basis even though they disliked each other.
While they didn’t agree with how to raise me, they thought it was more important to be consistent with me.
They were always polite to each other regardless if the other “deserved” it or not.
I know some pretty shitty mothers and I always say something to the father when he is bad mouthing the mother. Usually along the lines of “Hey, you can dislike her all you want and think she is a dumb bitch…but that is still YOUR child’s mother. You aren’t helping your child by talking that way in front of him/her”.
My parents put aside their differences and focused on raising me. This quality is severely lacking in our society and it is a shame.
“You aren’t helping your child by talking that way in front of him/her”
Yet refusing to get things for your child because his/her mother didn’t ask right is totally HELPING, amirite?
Which just proves that you can try to raise ‘em right, but there are no guarantees that they won’t grow up to a complete self-centered pain in the ass.
True indeed Hellkell, my parents hated each other to the point that they will not speak to each other (and my dad even left my high school graduation early just to avoid my mom) after more then thirty years.
And yet I managed to grow up without becoming so egotistical and self centered that I create my own gravitational field.
Which makes me wonder if I could be even MORE better without that hatred in my life?
@Jules: Or maybe you are drawing conclusions that are incorrect and based on assumptions.
@Lauralot: I would still rather fuck a Real Doll than a man hating feminist (i.e you).
@Katz: Can you not be so vague? Are you talking about general laws or the mutual expectations I set up with Ashley?
@hellkell: Ashnostic huh? Well, I have no plans on proving your wrong since I wont upload any photos disproving it. So I guess you will just have to have a little “faith”.