Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
I love how it’s apparently OK for Meller to have those plans for women as a whole. But not for Ashley! The rest of us can go piss up a rope, apparently.
Hey, Brandon, here’s a thought–if you want someone’s opinion, ask them, because that’s not what you did in your question to Cassandra.
They’ll be fighting over dolls!
Cassandra, you know Brandon will just take that “piss up a rope” comment super-literally and ask why he should care when it’s clear we don’t respect him.
I think I could write Brandon’s comments myself at this point. His rhetorical style is dull, though – Meller’s is more fun to imitate.
@Cassandra: I don’t want to delegate all non-virgin women to brothels.
@Hellkell: How is “Ok, and in what way does he want women to become dolls?” not a legitimate question?
@Elizabeth: So a website for “fake hookers”. All the money…none of the sex. Man, sometimes I wish I was a woman so I can “fake whore” myself out to make money. But I guess the men are just as pathetic for feeling like they need to spend money to get female attention.
Oh so you got Ashley from the free version?
I should have guessed.
Dear god, Brandon, grow a brain. It’s not what you asked, it was how. Clarity helps, my dear.
Hey now, the term is “sex workers”
So I guess…. pseudo sex workers? Would we count this as sex work? because it is kind of like phone sex…..
@Elizabeth: Your attempts to insult me are rather amusing. Keep up the good work….if you keep making jokes, I might get riled up.
@Shora: Are you the “phrase police”?
I would say no because it is not about sex-it is about shutting one’s family up or something.
And no Brandon, it is not an attempt to insult you per se but it is an attempt to make the important people (i.e. not you) laugh.
“Man, sometimes I wish I was a woman so I can “fake whore” myself out to make money.”
Sometimes I wish I was a guy so I would be able to make money in every other profession besides sex work.
“But I guess the men are just as pathetic for feeling like they need to spend money to get female attention.”
Women also feel like they have to spend lots of money on makeup, clothes, and plastic surgery to get male attention. ALL of this over-consumerist crap needs to be thrown out.
@Elizabeth: So you are a dancing monkey?
@Molly: Really? Make up and plastic surgery is what drives male attention? If you think that, you really don’t understand the male mind.
Yes, because humans never try to be what is the word? Comedians? Nope, the only creatures that make anyone laugh are monkeys. And only the ones who dance.
The rest of the planet? Not so much.
I’m just sayin. I’d like to see a world where sex, and therefore sex work, is destigmatized. Correcting the use of damaging slurs when I see them is a very teeny tiny part of doing that, but I do what I can.
@Brandon: I think you’re making my point for me here. Both outlooks are dumb, and having to spend money to gain the attention of the opposite sex is hardly limited to one gender.
But you see that is not real money. Or if it is real money, it does not count. Because apparently men do not care if women look nice.
Shora, he throws the word retarded around without a thought, good luck getting him to not use slurs for sex workers.
@Shora: I have no problems with escorts, prostitutes, hookers or whatever you want to call women that sell sex. The name is just a name. People can still sound mean spirited and hateful while using “sex worker” as they can “hooker”.
The word is irrelevant. What is important is the provoked emotions the person is communicating when using the word.
I pretty much take George Carlin’s opinion on the matter: “Selling is legal, fucking is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal?”
@Brandon: Do women buy makeup and nice clothes solely for guys? Nah. I just spent money on makeup and new shows so I’d look presentable for a job interview, and some people like fashion for it’s own sake. But I think there’s also plenty of messages out there saying that you have to be thin, DD-breasted and perfectly styled in order to get guys. Whether that’s really “what guys want” is a whole other issue…
Yeah, well, Brandon, crazy me, I think you should take the word of sex workers on what THEY want to be called, regardless of your “the name is just a name.” stance. Since this is an issue of actual people and their rights and wishes, not just flippant quasi-libertarian arguments for legalization.
*SHOES, not shows
who is shocked that brandon is the kind of guy who takes his life philosophy straight from george carlin with total credulity?
@Molly: It isn’t about spending money, it is about showcasing your most attractive attributes. Also, women are much more critical of other woman than men. It is women competing with other women to be the most attractive. Men are just the ones that benefit from it. However, most men would still date, marry and otherwise have relationships with women if there wasn’t the insane amount of female competition going on.
Brandon – women would still date, marry and otherwise have relationships with men if there wasn’t the insane amount of male competition going on. Y/N?
And to clarify, I mean in the traditionally “male!” arenas. The success myth vs. the beauty myth, if you want, but do you subscribe to this view, or are catty bitches also alpha chasers by nature?
@Molly: It isn’t about spending money, it is about showcasing your most attractive attributes. Also, women are much more critical of other woman than men. It is women competing with other women to be the most attractive. Men are just the ones that benefit from it. However, most men would still date, marry and otherwise have relationships with women if there wasn’t the insane amount of female competition going on.
Um xD So you watch a lot of tv? xD Congratulations!
I find it hilarious Brandon is explaining women to US b/c women obv dunno more about themselves than BRANDON THE POWERFUL TV VIEWER OF ALL!!! xD
Mind you, he DOES tape everything and everybody, so he might know more about individual humans than nebody else since he’s constantly watching everybody XD
Unless they’re sluts, then you can fuckin’ forget it.
@scharculese: nope not surprised by his credulity at all. This is not a deep thinker we’re talking about.
According to Brandon, we don’t know the minds of men or women.
@zhinxy: Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.
Are we back to the Brandon show again? I’m bored with this show. Can’t we change the channel? Who’s hogging the remote?
@Ami: Actually I don’t watch TV. I don’t even have cable.
@hellkell: Umm…I have dated sluts. They are fun and adventurous.
You certainly don’t understand male to female attraction.
Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.
on todays episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things': brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, thinks he is being clever.
@Sharcules: replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?
Sorry, I was sitting on it.
Selling is legal, having children is legal. Why isn’t selling children legal?
Hey, this is fun!
replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?
on next week’s episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things': brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, throws in joke that even your racist uncle thinks is growing stale, thinks he is being clever.
@Ami: Actually I don’t watch TV. I don’t even have cable.
XD
Brandon | December 2, 2011 at 7:41 pm
@zhinxy: Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.
Do you shun people who change their names too? xD
You act like THIS IS SO HARD XD
Tomorrow huh? xD Literally tomorrow? Tomorrowi t’s gonna be something different? xD Then Sunday something else?
Or you could stop exaggerating and making it like IT IS SO HARD TO LEARN NEW INFORMATION xD
You manage to deal on this forum okay without your head exploding from new information xD
Amazing o:
replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?
on next week’s episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things’: brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, throws in joke that even your racist uncle thinks is growing stale, thinks he is being clever.”
Well, he is BRANDON! Can brandon be expected to KEEP UP with this crazy world and all the demands!
Oh, yes, Brandon, you know so much, please educate us. You’re the champ!
@hellkell: Actually, I am more curious in knowing how YOU think it works.
No, you’re not.
@Hellkell: Ok “hellkell the psychic”
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1096257–i-mcdo-mcdonald-s-in-hong-kong-offers-fast-food-weddings?bn=1
McDonalds weddings! :D
I eagerly await how our trolls analyze this :D
On your marks… get set…
Yes, that’ll be $4.99 a minute, please call again.
How about you both explain how you think it works! :D Then everybody wins! :D
@Ami: Whatever floats their boat.
@Hellkell: I think you should go with a toll free number.
Well, it’s funny, Ami, because I wasn’t really stating anything besides poking fun at Brandon saying men will date and marry women regardless of all the female competition he thinks is going on. Captain Literal went to town and I think he confused me with Molly.
I think culture (that thing Brandon doesn’t believe in) sends women a lot of messages about how you should look. I think it creates what could look like a competition for men, but the men who think that are deep thinkers like our B. Basically, it’s all bullshit to keep us otherwise occupied, because how are you ever going to take over the world when you’re too busy hating yourself?XD
I don’t think a lot of men really understand the upkeep that goes into women’s appearances or understand that it’s not necessarily for them in the first place. As to whether they want it, I’m sure some do and are attracted to that. Some aren’t. Brandon is trying to say all men are the same based on what he likes.
Doesn’t really matter, he’ll just move the goalposts and tell me I’m wrong.
And I think you should go away. I guess no one’s leaving happy.
@Hellkell: Culture = makeup and fashion industry.
True, I am terrible at applying make up but I know it is sometimes important to have smoothly coloured skin.
No, you ijit, but the makeup and fashion industry is a part of the larger culture.
I actually gave you a good faith answer–which trust me is far more than you deserve–and that’s what you pull from it? Fuck off.
@hellkell: The problem is that you are being far too broad. Literally anything can be grouped under the label “culture”. Everything from apple pie to fashion to video games. By using “culture”, this allows you enough wiggle room to say “that isn’t what I said” if someone challenges you on it.
So I guess the question is what parts of culture are forcing you to wear makeup?
While I will agree that working and going on job interviews would be in the list of “forced to wear makeup” category. You can however go makeup free on your personal time. Time with family, out with friends, etc..
And once you have a job, depending on what it is, you can go makeup free there as well. Sure, sales jobs would be hard to go without but customer service jobs where you have no interactions with clients wouldn’t matter if you wore makeup.
So, while there are a few places where the consequences of not wearing makeup are unfair. For the most part, you are in full control over your choice to wear or not wear makeup.
Yup, goalpost are Oscar Mike, just like I thought they would be.
Whatever, Brandon, you get nothing but mockery from here on out.
cul·ture
[kuhl-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing. noun
1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.
6. Anthropology . the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
7.Biology .a. the cultivation of microorganisms, as bacteria, or of tissues, for scientific study, medicinal use, etc.
b. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.
8. the act or practice of cultivating the soil; tillage.
9. the raising of plants or animals, especially with a view to their improvement.
10. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.
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Tell me Brandon, do you know anything at all?
@hellkell: Typical feminist response. If my argument is so flawed, then why don’t you say what is wrong with it. What? Do you not have an argument?
Another definition from the World English Dictionary: the total of the inherited ideas, beliefs, values, and knowledge, which constitute the shared bases of social action
A definition from the Cultural Dictionary: The sum of attitudes, customs, and beliefs that distinguishes one group of people from another. Culture is transmitted, through language, material objects, ritual, institutions, and art, from one generation to the next.
@Elizabeth: Yet another vague, meaningless post by you.
Hey dude, you originally claimed I didn’t know how the male mind works. I answered, referencing the previous comments. Can’t hold more than one thought in your pretty little head? Now you wanna beef about culture, so the goalposts have moved.
You don’t argue in good faith, Brandon, so why should I argue with you at all?
*laughs* Oh my gosh, it has meaning…it is quite literally, the meaning of the word culture. From a dictionary.
And yet you are so obtuse you could not figure out that yes, wearing make up is part of culture, it has an incredibly broad meaning so HellKell’s pointing this out makes the first part of your comment dumber then normal.
*laughs again*
@hellkell: Actually you didn’t answer anything about how the male mind works. You did however comment on a female run industry that pressures women to buy makeup and other cosmetics. So it was you that moved the goalposts.
I originally asked if you could share your insight on what drives male to female attraction. So do you know what makes men attracted to women? Makeup or no makeup, heterosexual men are attracted to women.
Objection, there has been nothing to establish that Mr. Brandon’s head is pretty. It is extensively established that his head is little. Or at least has little room inside it.
Dictionaries are an evil tool of the feminist gynocracy designed to confuse people. Their definitions mean nothing. Nothing, I tell you!
Brandon, why don’t you go read the the thread again. You accusing anyone of moving goalposts it is to laugh. HA!
You read selectively and not for comprehension.
PfkE, withdrawn.
This asshole truly thinks you can gaslight in print.
@Hellkell: No need to be mean, if you don’t want to answer the question, just say so.
You don’t get to tell me how to behave.