Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
Pillow pets still are not people though.
And so Brandon and his imaginary girlfriend will watch a movie and ignore us.
What a sad person.
ba ha ha aha ha ha aha ha oh my hah ha ha ha
Poor Brandon really painted himself into a corner the day he decided to pretend he had a girlfriend, didn’t he.
Of course she said that…and for once, I wish you would accede to her wishes. Even if she is really just your Plastic Doll.
Ashley sounds very cross!
I don’t know, I’ve always believed Ashley exists. And I hope Brandon hangs onto her for dear life. It may be my own naive hopefulness, but I like to think that if they’re together they’ll leave other people alone.
And that’s a win-win.
My mother is from Appalachia, needless to say she is more than competant in any needed woodsy things, farm skills, and basic mechanic needs.
Not that that made her suddenly a skilled parent. Of course, my father’s parenting skill level is more like that scene with the baby in trainspotting, so standards for being the less horrible parent are about as low as they could get.
“Stop fucking around with those man haters”
Wow! How rude of her Brandon! That sounds suspiciously like a demand!
I have always been disturbed by my attraction to Chris Barrie.
Hmm… Did Ashley follow up with “And start fucking around with me?” That’d be clever…
Huh. I guess I’ll just have to assume that any time spent without a father’s influence makes you not a Real Man. I guess I’ll have to call both my stepdad and my brother to inform them that their respective mothers’ arrogance robbed them of true masculinity!
And by “mothers’ arrogance,” I mean my stepdad’s father’s untimely death from cancer, and my biological father’s strange aversion to his own children when we lived in the same house.
Brandon: I think fathers can raise daughters but other women need to be used to help guide the daughter when it comes to “female-specific” topics. A father can’t provide everything to his daughter, but he can try and realize where he needs help.
But women are too stupid to figure this out, which is why a father is needed for boys.
I have always been disturbed by my attraction to Chris Barrie.
Would it help you to know you’re not alone? A few of my female friends feel the same way.
Well he did get married. So someone had to find him attractive.
Oh thank God I’m not alone.
Brandon: You might want to try and see the grey areas of life and not think in such black and white terms.
Like you, with False Rape Accusations.
Wetherby: After all [Brandon], if you tell a blatant lie once, what’s to stop you from doing it again? And again?
So far, nothing.
Brandon: @Pecunium: What part of “every person has their own interpretation of promiscuous” are you not understanding?
What part of I am asking you to set the terms; that I don’t care (and won’t use) anyone else’s definition in the terms of this discussion: so that disparities of interpretation aren’t an issue are you not understanding?
Brandon: Also, the beer and porn are rather irrelevant. It is about spending time around men and learning from them.
What were you learning? Apparently about drinking and wanking.
Brandon: Sorry, I asked but she doesn’t want to. Her exact words were “Stop fucking around with those man haters”. Anyways, goodnight.
I think I just became an Ashnostic, which I wasn’t before. I did figure he was lying about some things (such as the terribly convenient blowjob), but this was too pat.
What were you learning? Apparently about drinking and wanking.
Admittedly, these are useful skills to have, although the learning curve isn’t exactly steep.
I sense a sockpuppet coming to Manboobz very soon.
I’ll freely admit that not believing Ashley is real is a breech of my usual netiquette, but I reserve the right to disbelieve someone who lies like a cashmere rug at least half the time, and whenever he talks about his girlfriend it’s always in the most convenient terms, and always in ways that further his masculine persona (I mean seriously, a total submissive, who… giggles when you spank her? That is some playboy shit there. I’m sure there is at least one submissive that does that, but AFAIK part of the draw is the game, and you still seem to be pretending that a submissive in bed doesn’t actually have the power) or that he thinks further his argument.
I’d also like to add that this particular breech in netiquette isn’t easy for me as a nerd who knows mostly nerds
See, this, to me, makes sense. If, you know, Brandon had a much better track record of honesty, like being brand new to me, I’d still believe him on this (Because seriously I trust a random stranger on the internet’s word about their life more than I trust Brandon’s word about hsi life at this point), that’s actually not that unreasonable idea. “My girlfriend hates X, and isn’t likely to talk to you because of it” isn’t weird to me.
What is it that you were learning from men while ogling naked women and drinking booze that is (1) something that only men can teach you; and (2) absolutely essential to being a decent and mature person? You keep talking in generalities and avoiding a specific answer.
Also: in most jurisdictions, showing pornography to a minor is a form of child abuse. Parents are not expected to hide magazines with the same degree of care that they would be expected to store firearms, but actually giving them to a 14 year-old is sexual abuse. Giving alcohol to a minor is child endangerment, and given that you were only 14, alcohol intoxication was a real possibility (especially since you were exerting herself and were doubtless dehydrated). So: your father broke the law twice in dealing with you in just that one day, and he stupidly and ignorantly put your life in danger. But he is the better parent because your mom is a feminist who says things like they mean something. Riiight.
“exerting yourself”
It’s late.
I don’t know if I believe in Ashley. To be honest it wouldn’t surprise me as there are misogynistic women out there. Women who honest to god believe they are inferior to men and will accept douchey behavior like his with a giggle. Internalized misogyny or low self esteem…whatever it is I have little sympathy for female misogynists as I do male ones. They can believe they are inferior all they want, but don’t expect all women to accept that shit with “tee-hee”
Because seriously I trust a random stranger on the internet’s word about their life more than I trust Brandon’s word about hsi life at this point
Well, yeah. A random stranger has never lied to you. Brandon has.
Maybe Brandon’s dad taught him “it’s your own fault for relying on me when I’m an unreliable father.”
Talking about how Brandon and Ashley’s relationship could work reminded me of this documentary:
http://www.idfa.nl/industry/tags/project.aspx?id=3e11bf88-eeab-4521-b499-cfd389ee5716
called “I, Psychopath” by Ian Walker. I haven’t seen it all because I got upset watching it. The B&A show reminded me about how Sam treats his wife in the doco.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Of course she did, but her tone sounds a bit disrespectful. Were there spankings?
I’m no longer Ashostic, I’m an Asheist. I do not believe.
Rutee: My weakened acceptance isn’t that she doesn’t want to talk to us (were I in her shoes, I’d probably pass too), but the, “stop talking to all those man-haters”.
It’s telling that the adjective wasn’t related to our being mean to Brandon, or to our being feminist, per se, it’s that we are all “man-haters” when the substance of most of the disagreements with Brandon aren’t (and never have been) issues of man hatred, but rather his cluelessness about marriage, contracts, finance, what feminism should care about, privacy issues, consent, bodily autonomy and his utter lack of respect for other people.
But right now there is a sub-thread about his inability to support one of his insults and suddenly Ashley isn’t all giggles and fucking against the wall after a down on her knees blowjob, nope, this time she is petulant about how he gives attention to “man-haters” instead of her.
So my willingness to believe any of his characterisations of her is pretty much shot. At this point (while I am still willing to accept that he has a girlfriend) nothing about her has any credence, because he has shown that, even in the one relationship he claims to have which should show some level of empathy, and respect for another human being, he is completely willing to treat that person as nothing more than prop to make Brandon look good.
He is, in this, as in everything else he has done here, a hypocrite, and something of a liar.
I became an Asheist from the moment Brandon told us that she was a very private person and that he didn’t like talking about her.
Aside from the spankings and being taken roughly up against a wall, of course.
Maybe Ashley has no curiosity at all, but if I knew that my wife regularly engaged in online arguments with the same group of people (which Ashley now indisputably does), I’d find it hard to resist taking a peek.
And were I to do so in Ashley’s position, not only would I see my beloved’s ass handed to him on a top-class dinner service complete with three-star Michelin garnishes every single day, but I’d also discover that he’s been talking about our sex life, and indeed characterizing me as some kind of submissive airhead.
And if that isn’t a fair description – and given that Brandon seems incapable of fair description, this seems not just plausible but likely – I’d be a bit miffed. To say the least.
@Brandon: can you actually list specific positions that were proposed by first and second wave feminism that you agree with? And can you list actual specific positions supported by third wave feminism? And, as I asked before, what do you think of fourth wave feminism?
Or is it just that the first/second wave feminists are totally in the case of first dead, and in the case of mostly second wave feminists too old for you to date (I’m talking about people living THEN, not the people born later who may espouse these ideas) ,and in the case of third wave, it being more made up of women of your generation that irks you?
That is, is it really about the ideas, or ALLABOUTBRANDON?
Ithiliana, do you really need to ask? You know it’s ALLABOUTBRANDON.
I’m positive that what he knows about any wave of feminism could dance on the head of a pin.
As for the way “Ashley” characterized us as “man haters,” you really need to write better dialog, Brandon. On the other hand, if she does exist, maybe it’s a good thing that two people who speak almost exclusively in cliches found each other.
@Brandon: can you actually list specific positions that were proposed by first and second wave feminism that you agree with? And can you list actual specific positions supported by third wave feminism? And, as I asked before, what do you think of fourth wave feminism?
Srsly Brandon, what was good about feminism, and where did it go wrong?
Is it merely that feminism from before you were born can be excused for not being ALLABOUTBRANDON?
Their first meeting musta went a little something like this:
Brandon: “What’s a pretty girl like you doing in a place like this?”
Ashley: “Tee hee!”
Brandon: “If I told you you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?”
Ashley: “Tee hee!”
Brandon: “I hate feminists. Are you a feminist?”
Ashley: “Of course not, they’re icky! Tee hee!”
Brandon: “Wanna go back to my place?”
Ashley: “You had me at ‘I hate feminists’ tee hee! Take me, I’m yours!”
*they go back to his place, where they have very vanilla sex that he secretly tapes*
(For the Ashnostics and Ashthiests out there feel free to imagine this dialogue done entirely by Brandon, half in a girlish falsetto, and addressed to an anime girl pillow. Obviously he will still tape the encounter.)
You know, it’s good that Brandon doesn’t care about any of this, otherwise I might feel a tad guilty.
But because he doesn’t, I don’t.
Obviously he will still tape the encounter.
Lol.
Luckily for my sanity all this is run through my brain’s Anime filter before being acknowledged. It’s honestly the only way sometimes.
My friends are constantly nagged about reading Manboobz by me so I cannot see her not even looking.
Reading all of that was hysterical. You guys are a hoot.
Even though Ashley is rather feminine, she is far from having low self esteem and I don’t remember her ever saying “tee hee”.
Except when you spank her, or call her a slut, then she giggles, according to you. I still say you should leave the pillow pets alone, though.
That is a very bizarre beginning to that sentence-as if being feminine means low self esteem.
Also, she giggles right? Tee Hee is a perfectly acceptable way of pointing out how she is.
Of course feminine means low self esteem in BrandonWorld!
Any woman who hooks up with him might just suffer from that.
If it turns out Ashley actually is a soft ‘n fluffy pillow pet, is DKM gonna challenge Brandon for the right to own her? NWO and MRAL can be their seconds. :p
LOL, most fucked-up duel ever, Bagelsan.
Bagelsan, that could happen even is Ashley was a pillow. Because 1) She would be very fluffy 2) Not being human is pretty much required to fit DKM taste. But in this case, I don’t think MRAL and NWO would be interested. Well, NWO might still com, just to say that Ashley is evil for pushing two honest men to violence.
I would like to point out the irony of linking a page that contest male privileges by use of statistics about drinking problem in males, then, when asked what made his father the better parent, he tells a story about male bonding trough alcohol consumption.
Can’t you see even a tiny link between the two of them?
Anyway, I think I’ve got the secret answer of why girls need a mother: when I was a teenager, I borrowed pads to my mother all the time because I was very forgetful and was rarely prepared. I couldn’t have done that is I had no mother!
The fact that has the same genitals never really mattered – the first time I call recall her talking about sex – with a friend, not me – was to say that sex toys were something useless that came between people. oh, and that you should wait for ‘the one’ for having sex. So, sex advices from her? No thanks. And she never wore heels or make up, so that’s out. That leaves… clothes? But to say that all girls need a female parent because of my father’s terrible taste seems a little stretched out.
Brandon: No, I don’t see why I should explain to you why my father is the better parent. If you can answer that with a reasonable answer, I will answer why he is the better parent.
Because, “I said so,” isn’t an actual argument.
Bagelsan–December 1, 2011 @7:21pm
I believe that I asked a question somewhat like this before, but doesn’t it bother you, and other modern women that you are all SO unfeminine and unattractive that otherwise healthy human males would prefer fluffytoys or little lady lovelies collector dolls, seeing THEM as more attractive, sexy, and alluring, indeed as more altogether feminine than you and other FEMINISTS! I mean, you and the rest of the sisterhood from hell can hate on me, and men sort of in my situation, as much as youall like, but the fact remains that you “women” are second fiddle to fluffytoys and antique-style collector dolls! One way or another, I have my “sweet old-fashioned girls”.
Pitiful, isn’t it?
Meller, I think you just have a doll fetish, and you’re projecting it onto other men, and are mad at women for not living up to your fantasies. There’s nothing that bothers me about you having a preference for your dolls, and if that’s really what you want, then that’s fine. But you scolding us for not living up to doll-hood is what’s actually sounding a bit pitiful. I’m not upset that you have your sweet old fashioned girls. If that’s what you want, then enjoy them.
Meller, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest what you or any other man happens to think about me.
If you want your SOFGs, knock yourself out. Just stop insisting that’s what all men want, because I’ve got a husband, father, and male friends who think otherwise.
Frankly, if I were a sweet old-fashioned girl, I would be completely terrified that Meller (or someone like him) might want something to do with me.
I would like someone to make a documentary about Meller and his fluffytoys and antique-style collector dolls, though. I can see that being really grim and weird and sad. Absolutely dripping with pathos. How about it, Meller? My boyfriend and I love to watch documentaries like that.
Even the “Little Lady Lovelies” are turning into bloodsucking she-devils:
http://www.ashtondrake.com/mcategory/fantasy-dolls_8270/gothic.html
“Pitiful, isn’t it?”
It is, just not in the way that you think. The idea that a man would be so incapable of dealing with women who aren’t totally under his thumb that he would resort to dolls and consider that to be a better alternative?
Yep, that is pretty pitiful. I would feel sorry for you if you weren’t so aggressively unpleasant.
@Cassandra: “women under a mans thumb”? Where in society does that even happen? Are you living in a dream world or something.
I’m referring to Meller’s fantasy of how America works right not, not the real world. He thinks that women are so unacceptably non-doll-like that he has resorted to playing with dollies and giving them personalities instead of dating.
No… I don’t really see an epidemic of guys playing with dolls. I have never once come across a guy who would rather play with dolls than have sex with me. Most men I come across actually think women are pretty cool, mostly.
Why are you so convinced that all men in the world are exactly like you?
@Cassandra: So he wants to fuck dolls. So what. I know a few friends that shun dating because they view it as “expensive, time consuming and pointless”. They handle their libido with escorts and masturbation. It was actually a conversation I wish never came up, but we all ended up taking about dating while we were having a guy’s poker night.
shorter brandon: i know i dont understand this conversation, but i will find something contrarian to say because i need my daily dose of negative attention.
Plus, because I’m Brandon, I must throw in a mention of a very manly-man activity I was doing at the time.
I found out where Ashley comes from.
And it is not a factory in China. That is where fat white dark haired Republican politicians come from.
The issue isn’t that he wants to fuck dolls, it’s that he wants all women to become dolls and won’t be happy until we agree to do so.
You’re really not too bright, are you?
Cassandra, thank you for taking one for the team and pointing that out to him. I don’t have the patience.
PfkE, damn that link is hilarious. I’m in the wrong line of work, I should have thought of that.
@Cassandra: Ok, and in what way does he want women to become dolls? Cause while I get the “I want to fuck dolls” vibe from his writing, I don’t get the “women must become dolls” vibe.
Who cares? How is this relevant? If they don’t want to date, they don’t have to. Our problem with Meller is not that he elects not to date, but rather that he elects not to date because of deep hatred of women (it’s the hatred part we find concerning) and wants to force all women to do what he wants.
You need to read more closely, then.
BTW, did you notice the rant (I know it’s hard to keep track when he posts so many) where he announced that in his utopia women who weren’t virgins before marriage would all be sent to brothels without their consent? Hope you don’t mind sharing Ashley with random dudes.
DKM wrote, “I believe that I asked a question somewhat like this before, but doesn’t it bother you, and other modern women that you are all SO unfeminine and unattractive that otherwise healthy human males would prefer fluffytoys or little lady lovelies collector dolls, seeing THEM as more attractive, sexy, and alluring, indeed as more altogether feminine than you and other FEMINISTS!”
Brandon wrote, “Ok, and in what way does he want women to become dolls? Cause while I get the ‘I want to fuck dolls’ vibe from his writing, I don’t get the ‘women must become dolls’ vibe.”
@Cassandra: I can read his writing just fine. I was asking you the question because I wanted to see what your opinion was…not mine.
He can try and take Ashley, but he will end up with a pistol pointed at his head.
Where has DKM said this? Oh, in just about any thread on this site. When he’s not busy justifying abuse, he’s saying that real women should be more like his dolls, and come the revolution, all women who aren’t married off will work in brothels whether they want to or not.
I guess that means that Brandon will just have to marry Ashley.