Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
No, dude. I care that you’re a repeated liar and yet you insist on presenting yourself as if this discussion is in good faith.
@Laura: Nope…I am clearly here in bad faith.
BRANDON CARES SO LITTLE HE SPENDS SIX HOURS A DAY TELLING US HE DON’T CARE
brandon, ladies and gentlemen
holly hes just here to rattle our cages. its only coincidence that he spends so much time trying to defend and justify himself.
Brandon, you were spoiled? Say it ain’t so. I never would have guessed.
C’mon 1000!
A thousand comments of people telling one person he’s a sucky weasel who sucks. If I were bearing the brunt of that, I might sit and have a think about my life choices up to now. Then again, I’m not laboring under the delusion that it’s all about me.
Yeah, he’s just fucking with us. It’s the only attention he gets.
the thing that separates brandon from dudes like dkm and owlslave is that they clearly have some sort of respect for knowledge and thought, even if the wires that process it are all twisted up. but not brandon. he’s like aggressively proud of his ignorance and intellectual laziness because thinking just isnt his problem.
“the thing that separates brandon from dudes like dkm and owlslave is that they clearly have some sort of respect for knowledge and thought, even if the wires that process it are all twisted up. but not brandon. he’s like aggressively proud of his ignorance and intellectual laziness because thinking just isnt his problem.”
OWLSLAVE has respect for knowledge and thought? What? o.O
Oh, I see we’re back to the fun-loving use of the word “slut” and moving away from the comparisons to drug addict with poor judgment and no self-control.
Too, too precious.
So your mother was terrible but provided you a loving and caring home. And also spoiled you.
I think Brandon’s memory fails between posts.
I dunno, NWO is pretty adamant about his “all unsourced facts are lies, all sourced facts are bigger lies” philosophy of life. But at least he has some conception that a fact can be true or not true and that it would matter.
He also knows he’s fucking with us when he quick-reverses his opinion. I think Brandon honestly thinks he’s pulling one over on us.
@Elizabeth:No, just that my father was the better parent.
I think what he’s trying to get at in his own ignorant way is that sluts are great for casual fucking but if Brandon were the marrying sort, of course he wouldn’t marry them! They’re untrustworthy sluts! Sex is their drug!
And yet he has no issue feeding their “addiction” by fucking them. Class act.
What did your dad do that was better than your mom, Brandon?
@molly ren
like i said, the actual process of it he gets all wrong, but he clearly thinks he’s doing some kind of empirical analysis of male oppression buttressed by the only trustworthy source of information, a set of 19th century enyclopedia britannicas. hes an autodidact of sorts, its just that all the books are written in a language he cant read. (russian?)
What did your dad do that was better than your mom, Brandon?
excellence in the art of penis-having
Yes, Brandon, how was your father the better parent, and do you think you’d still believe that if he had been your custodial parent?
Fair enough, I admit that I put good parents on a massive pedestal. That’s because they deserve it. Being a good parent requires a lot of work, patience, perseverance, and self sacrifice. When you’re a parent, you put your own needs after the needs of your children. Their safety, health, and happiness become your top priority. You also have to take responsibility for your children’s actions, both the good and the bad. You don’t know what it’s like, so stop telling parents what we should think about motherhood or fatherhood.
If it has little to do with her gender, why were you making it about all mothers and all fathers and other mothers and fathers skills based on their gender? And you can’t even try the line that others were doing it already, because there have been numerous discussions of stay at home fathers on this thread as well, and almost all of your opponents spoke specifically of parents and caretakers and their individual skills rather than make sweeping statements about gender like you did.
Mom was always making him do stupid stuff like take a bath, go to the pediatrician, do his homework, eat his vegetables, go to bed at bedtime.
Dad did the cool things like teach him how to fish and show him the secret Playboys.
Well, I see — secret experiences that men secretly share away from all those evil women are supersikrit, and also totally necessary to being a man, so any boy growing up with a mother and no father cannot possibly hope to be a man. Also, women have no idea what it’s like to be a man, but Brandon is thoroughly informed on what it’s like to be a woman.
Here’s the thing: men and women are not different species. Raising one’s child to treat the other gender as alien and incomprehensible is pretty shitty parenting. Good parenting isn’t tied to gender — feed and clothe the kid, take him to the pediatrician and the dentist regularly, pay for the best education you can afford, help him develop his talents, don’t socialize him in a way that represses those talents — both men and women can do this equally well. As for guidance — if you teach your son that men have a monopoly on guidance, you’ll raise a kid who will treat his mother like crap, and who will treat his girlfriends and wives like crap, because you taught him to believe that nothing a woman says has any importance or value.
And what guidance, anyway? Don’t steal, cheat, rob or murder people? Be an honest person? Don’t take crap from anybody if you can help it? Be a good friend and a good partner? Lead an industrious and productive life? Neither gender has a monopoly on those values, and women impart them to children just as well as men.
And by the way — to suggest that a child is harmed by having his mother raise him IS misogyny, Brandon.
It’s easy to be the better parent when your obligations are limited to taking the kid to a baseball game every few months and having bi-weekly heart-to-hearts about what bitches women are. Especially mom.
@Holly: Actually my mother wasn’t like that at all. My father was the one that punished me more.
However, him and I helped a family friend build an addition to his house. I was 14 at the time. Because I worked hard and didn’t complain, he let me drink with the boys and even threw me a few hustlers too boot. Sort of a “hard work pays off” lesson.
@Brandon: How does any of what Holly mentioned (take a bath, go to the pediatrician, do his homework, eat his vegetables, go to bed at bedtime) constitute a punishment?
Actually, just to get serious for a minute, I was raised by a single mom too. When I wanted to get gender-bendy later in life, I did seek out a dude to teach me stuff, but it was more along the lines of “How do I tie this tie?” and “How do I punch someone?” than “How do I be loyal and brave and make money for myself?”
There are different ways that men apparently stand and walk and socialize–Noah(?) over on NSWATM talked about the “dude nod”–but I think guys tend to get those even if they’re raised by single moms.
I actually asked my mom to teach me how to use guns, since she had been a pretty good shot back in the day, but she refused because she learned how to use firearms because she felt unsafe in the neighborhood where she lived at the time and didn’t want to have to remember that time in her life again.
Let that be a lesson, kids: hard work leads to underage porn and drinking.
@Amused: They aren’t super secret. Women just have a hard time relating to them since most of the time those experiences are exclusive to men.
Men and women are not different species, but they are different genders which means they sometimes share gender-specific experiences. Clearly a man will never know what it is like to have a female orgasm or have a period, nor will a woman know what it is like to experience sex as a man.
I should have been clearer. Having a woman be so arrogant that she doesn’t allow a male influence into her sons life is harmful.
See, this is why we keep telling you to use proper grammar.
So Brandon’s dad’s stellar parenting involved giving booze and porn to a 14 year old? That’s not just bad, that’s criminally bad.
@Lauralot: Hard work leads to male bonding. Also, what is underage about legally 18+ girls?
Beer and porn make the better parent. I learned something today.
Showing porn to a minor is illegal, Mr. Daddy-Was-A-Lawyer.
@Darksidecat: He also took me to my first strip club in Montreal when I turned 18.
Okay, that’s not clarity, that’s a completely different thing.
Also, what if the father runs off, or if he’s abusive? That’s not about arrogance. (Okay, actually, neither is any other situation I can conceivably picture.)
See, I’m a guy and I still don’t know what Brandon’s going on about super secret knowledge passed down from father to son. Nobody even gave me the sex talk in my family, and I turned out just alright (well, knowledgeable at least). Could it be that Brandon’s idealizing a fictional fantasy rather than looking objectively at reality?
Hmm… Come to think about it, he did play catch with me occasionally… But I wasn’t always that interested in playing catch.
Yeah, there’s a father/son experience that all boys long for.
Gag.
“Men and women are not different species, but they are different genders which means they sometimes share gender-specific experiences. Clearly a man will never know what it is like to have a female orgasm or have a period, nor will a woman know what it is like to experience sex as a man.”
Wait, now we’re back to the differences just being about your genitals again? I thought you said Holly was being too simplistic earlier!
I was taking houses apart in my teens too, Brandon–my mom now has a real estate business. Only I got cash instead of booze and porn. ;)
Clearly he was a QUALITY parent you guys! Much better than boring old mom, who just did the day to day stuff and was horrifyingly neglectful in the porn and beer departments.
Exactly. I’m sure we’re just strapping the bottles to their faces too so they really have no choice in the matter.
@Brandon:
“Men and women are not different species, but they are different genders which means they sometimes share gender-specific experiences. Clearly a man will never know what it is like to have a female orgasm or have a period, nor will a woman know what it is like to experience sex as a man.”
So.. in the context of male figures being necessary in a boy’s life… It is vitally important that father and son share sexual experiences, and mothers daughters share orgasms and periods? Or is this just a useless sidenote that doesn’t do shit for your main point?
@Lauralot: Buying porn as a minor is illegal (and not even for the minor but the store clerk). Viewing it as a minor isn’t.
Also, the beer and porn are rather irrelevant. It is about spending time around men and learning from them.
Brandon, you need to tell me the secret man stuff! Else I’ll never know how to be a real boi! :(
I’d bet cash that Brandon can’t remember a single time his mother sat up and rocked him in a steamy bathroom all night because his chest was congested. Or how much she worried when he was old enough to go ride his bike with his friends. But a couple of beers and some nudie-mags and a trip to a strip club, and his father taught him everything about being a man and was a better parent to boot.
Don’t get me wrong, I love my pops to pieces and worked with him (much more often than one time when 14) in his garage all of my childhood. I still go to his house to change my oil while he yells at me for doing it the wrong way. But I love him as much more for helping me learn to tie my shoe laces and teaching me the right way to brush my teeth, as I do for teaching me how to change break pads.
It’s interesting that, him being a lawyer and all, you weren’t given the choice to live with your father full-time after age 10 or so, Brandon. A lot guys that I know, who were fortunate enough to have an engaged father, opted to live with them at the beginning of adolescence.
@Bostonian: Actually I used to steal weed from my mother when I was a rambunctious teenager.
well now we know where all his lovely views on women came from!
No, idiot, it is illegal for an adult (i.e., your father) to show porn to a minor (i.e., you).
Fat lot of good all that time you spent around judges did for your knowledge.
So..what you learn from spending time around men is breaking the law. Charming.
Typing too fast:
I’d bet cash that Brandon can’t remember a single time his mother sat up and rocked him in a steamy bathroom all night because his chest was congested. Or how much she worried when he was old enough to go ride his bike with his friends.
But I love him as much for helping my tie my shoe laces when I was little as I do for teaching me how to change break pads.
“Actually I used to steal weed from my mother when I was a rambunctious teenager.”
Brandon’s childhood suddenly becomes a much stranger place… or is this the view of someone not raised in CA whose peers sometimes raided their parent’s liquor cabinets?
my father never tried to take me to a strip club, because he is an adult and has dignity, but if he had im pretty sure my reaction would have been along the lines of ‘ew dad, just no.’
@Lauralot: Well, you might want to haul my mother away too. She allowed me to drink wine on holidays starting at 12.
Honestly it’s starting to sound like both of Brandon’s parents kind of sucked, but his dad sucked a little more indulgently.
Is this super-special man knowledge imparted all through childhood, or is it mostly concentrated at a certain age? Or if you have a father for 2 or 3 years at any point during childhood and adolescence is that enough?
Trying to figure out whether it’s my stepdad or my brother who isn’t a real man. Or both, or neither.
I wish I had some secret woman knowledge. My mom didn’t even tell me how to use tampons! I just went off the pictures on the box.
Did she show you porn?
So her neglect took the form of not giving you the weed outright and failing to supply the required porn accompaniment. Truly a horrible person, your mom.
The evil wench probably did not even have Cheetos in the house!
So, let me get this straight:
Man knowledge is:
Being around other men
Learning the value of hard work
Booze
Porn/Strip Clubs
Dude! I’ve done all of these! Does this mean I’m a man now? :D
@molly ren
i dont think its actually that weird, but i think its adorable how brandon tries to make it seem all rebellious.
@Holly: My mom didn’t even teach me about makeup… but she might have given up because it was a struggle to get me to comb my hair and wear not-falling-apart clothes as a teen as well.
I’ll bet she even made him wear a helmet when he rode a bike, that witch.
No, it is pretty clear you think your mother was terrible Brandon, not that your father was better.
That is not something you say about a person who was not terrible. That is something you say about person who was terrible.
Also, your father was so ethical he violated at least two laws I can think of as a “reward?” This is a direct violation of Rule 8.4(b) of the Model Rules of Professional Conduct that have been adopted by all US states and probably in Canada as well (modified of course.)
This explains so much about your subsequent behavior.
Molly Ren – My mom didn’t either! I still don’t know how to put on makeup. Not that I’m complaining…
Walking in heels neither. Shit, what did I learn about ladying as a kid?
…what do I know about it now? I don’t lady very much, to be honest. I mostly just person.
I assume I’ll be falling into a nightmare spiral of drugs and suicide shortly.
So wait…the father who hauled Brandon in front of a judge to teach him to straighten up also broke the law to give him porn and booze?
One of these things is not like the other…one of these things just doesn’t belong…
Holly: I did learn about basic business attire… and where to get a good haircut. Um…
TBH, I don’t think my mom is that girly either. She’s a very practical lady. All the rest of the stuff I can think of is “how to use a power drill”, “how to paint a wall” and “keep a blanket and first aid kit in your car!” :P
My Mom taught me how to cook and tried to teach me how to shoot a gun. I said no thank you on the latter but aced the former.
I think I get it. What you learn from spending time around men, based on that anecdote, is that you’re above the law.
No wonder Brandon turned out this way.
@Elizabeth: So my father showed me porn and that explains why I am the way I am. Well, by that logic most men fail. I was 10 when I saw my first playboy and in today’s age I bet kids are seeing porn much earlier.
@Laura: So you follow every law that is on the books?
I keep having to remind myself that there was a time when people actually had to purchase porn…
Hate to spoil a good derail, but what does any of this have to do with men requiring a father figure in order to grow up to be a man? All Brandon has brought up in this regard is beer and porn…
I don’t believe I’m above any law in the books, if that’s what you’re asking. And neither of my parents taught me to break them.