Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
fuck blockquotes
@thebionicmommy: I am sorry, I don’t subscribe to “I am what I link to”.
Oh wow, an MRA blaming his mom for how he turned out. That makes Brandon such a special snowflake.
(not really)
Yeah, you just link to random shit for no reason!
I’m just gonna let Aesop cover this:
@juliejezebel
previous episodes of ‘what about brandon’ suggest that they just werent very good at disciplining him, but then again it also appears that brandon was a shithead even as a kid so maybe there just wasnt anything they could do…
@katz: I also link to funny shit like this:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3967502/Tatt-poo-for-cheating.html
Holy shit, what DOES happen in those locker rooms?
No, no, that’s simplistic of me. There’s also urinal etiquette, ball management as Sharculese wisely pointed out, and, um… proper comportment when playing at August National? You got me.
Brandon, if this is what passes for well written in the Brandon-verse, then your issues with reading comprehension and forming coherent, consistent arguments is pretty well explained. That said, the stats presented in the “article” (and, pet peeve, it’s not an article – it’s an essay) do not disprove the concept of male privilege. Some of the comparisons illustrate quite clearly, that there are serious issues facing men and boys in the U.S. that deserve action and consideration well beyond the scope, interest, and ability of the current MRM.
Just to provide one example, the number of men who commit suicide successfully does not disprove male privilege. It may very well indicate that greater outreach is required for men who suffer from depression. Perhaps more campaigns aimed towards men to promote regular visits to their doctors and/or mental health professionals. Maybe we need to work to increase awareness of the issues and dangers of depression and other forms of mental illness and the manners in which symptoms manifest in men. I think it would be wonderful if the MRM actually worked on those kinds of projects.
But, yeah, I can see why the hyena tumbler is more your speed. Vituperative, utterly pointless, and provides nothing of real value.
My “emotional level”? Mocking you for making completely unsubstantiated claims and assertions is emotional?
You’re like playing “army men” with my four year old play-nephew, Brandon. All I can do is shake my head and laugh.
*Augusta National.
See, this is why boys need a man to teach them typing.
Okay, but if you agree with the stuff written at AVfM, then you’re at least an MRM sympathizer. Would I be wrong to assume that a person that agrees with the stuff from The Free Republic and Conservapedia is a conservative?
@thebionicmommy: Ya, and I sometimes agree with Feministing and Feministe. That doesn’t automatically make me a feminist sympathizer.
No, the part where you said you thought feminism had valuable ideas and that you’d adopted some of them makes you a feminist sympathizer, albeit an abhorrent one.
Yeah, we’re not going to forget that you said that. Or were you lying then, too?
proper comportment when playing at August National?
this one was funny to me because my brother is a caddy at east lake, georgia’s other major golf course, and im pretty sure he would be aghast if he saw me anywhere near a pro course
I just think you are an MRA because you hate women.
( Liking Ashley the pillow pet does not count as liking women, dolls are not people.)
@Laura: I pretty much agree with first and second wave feminism. Third wave feminism is the one I have issues with.
But Bostonian, he couldn’t give a fuck about other men either. He strikes me as just a misogynist who’s in love with himself.
@Brandon
That article that they linked of to ATLAs’ list of male privileges and wrote it off all as bullshit is bullshit, because it’s possible to have male privilege but still get shafted in other ways too. Mainly by rigid and suffocating gender roles. The interesting thing about MRAs though is they like when these restricting gender roles suit them (mainly when they negatively affect women) but they hate them when they don’t suit them (mainly when they negatively affect men)
And how the fuck are cancer rates and women living longer the fault of feminism? feminists cause cancer now? real intelligence there. Men abusing more alcohol and drugs too? FEMINISTSRAWRFhjDSJHHJ!!!
Here is a male health center website talking about how men don’t go to the doctors enough…not because they are dumb, but because it’s not seen as masculine. But I’m sure that’s not a legitimate reason as to why men might have poor health. Because it doesn’t blame feminism! http://www.malehealthcenter.com/p_check.html
AVFM had $1000 free to donate to men’s health centers or for prostate cancer research. Or an AA or rehab center. Instead they used it as reward money to give to whoever finds all the personal information of some women who made a fictional video they didn’t like so they can post it all over the net.
Its interesting to how men are not going to college but men as a group still get paid more. Even in though studies have also shown that women and men who have the same degrees, women get paid less. All our fault for taking time off to care for our kids though I’m sure! Being punished for having children. Then vilified for shrugging off our “feminine duties” Many women are opting out of having children, because they know they’ll be punished for it by losing income and having a gap in their resume.
I can’t read these things and take them seriously. Because there answer for everything is to blame feminism. Why don’t you just admit that you’re an MRA anyway? you agree with pretty much everything they say anyway.
And tell us Brandon, what, in your narrow little mind, constitutes third wave feminism?
Please, enlighten us. I’m sure we’re all dying to know.
@Bostonian: How do I hate women? I would like to see some specifics.
Well Lauralot , that is true.
I pretty much agree with first and second wave feminism. Third wave feminism is the one I have issues with.
oh good, i was worried there was an mra cliche brandon hadnt spouted yet.
I admit that I could not offer advice on ball management to save my life (maybe don’t…don’t smack them into things with corners?) but even cis women know urinal etiquette: maximize the distances between all parties, don’t look at each other, no fucking cellphone conversations.
Brandon: When is being promiscuous bad? When someone is using sex like it is a drug.
What do you mean by use it like a drug?
Caffiene? I use it when I want it, because I like it.
Same as I do with Alcohol. That’s pretty much the way I have sex (and, as with alcohol/coffee, I don’t share it without getting permission).
You, as I recall use pot, which is illegal. Then again, you seem to be willing to engage in illegal acts relating to sex (see previous discussions re videotaping sex without your partners permission). So you seem to be using sex as you use at least one drug (in an illicit, and furtive manner). So you are a slut, and that means you exercise bad judgement in re sex (esp. as the being willing to break the law, and violate other peoples autonomy, just in case it might later benefit you).
Which means an intelligent women, with any self-respect, ought to refuse to have sex with you.
Your rules, not mine.
Brandon: @Laura: Denial is the first step towards acceptance.
So you admit you have a problem? That’s a good sign.
Brandon: @Pecunium: Apparently you are having a hard time with this.
Not at all. I expected you, actually; based on past behavior, to bob and weave and refuse to answer a simple question about what you believe.
So, as per norm, it’s a case of, “humpty-dumpty”, when you use a word it means what you want it to mean, and if we actually try to use it, you can say we don’t know what you mean, because you are making it up as you go along, and anytime the meaning of your context makes you look bad, you pretend you can handwave it away by saying, “you didn’t understand what I meant,” while refusing to make your meaning clear, even when politely requested to do so, which is funny as hell, given the other nonsense you are blithering about, with the need of other people to be polite to you, so that you won’t be a passive aggressive asshole to them.
Which bad behavior you expect us to reward you for.
Ain’t gonna happen. When you are being a shit, we are going to call you on it. I suggest you get used to it, since it appears it didn’t happen often enough in your past.
Oh, also: glory holes are first come, first served.
THIS. So much. But then you know they’ll just write it off as pussifying men for talking about their feelings. Especially any feelings that dont involve anger at women and feminism.
@bagelsan
did another guy see your dick at a urinal? congrats, youre gay now. turns out thats how it works. fill out these forms and you’ll get your loretta lynn albums in the mail.
@Pecunium: What part of “every person has their own interpretation of promiscuous” are you not understanding?
I thought it was the other way around.
“@Julie: Well, if anything did go wrong…it would be my mothers fault.”
Just from this thread.
Also the slut shaming you always engage in.
Also the hate for mothers in general, not just your own, for needing support.
I could link to many more examples, but you are not worth that much effort.
My guess is Brandon’s all right with first wave feminism because women owning property means Ashley doesn’t have to live with him and women voting means some of them will vote for politicians who will in some way benefit Brandon.
Second wave: Women not being housewives is great because Brandon doesn’t have support those bitches.
Third wave: What do mean Brandon can’t tell you how to run things?! Evil harpies!
@Sharculese: Aw, I knew I missed one! Truly the urinal is a man’s domain.
^What do you mean. Ugh.
@Bostonian: Just because I think my mother was sub par in her job doesn’t make me a misogynist.
I don’t shame sluts…I love them.
I question the cultural notions that what mothers do might not be “the most important job on the face of the earth” and that makes me hate women.
I imagine Father Brandon’s man-talks with his son would cover stuff like:
How to never let anyone take advantage of you.
Bootstraps!
All the ways chicks will try to swindle you into getting them pregnant
How horrible marriage is
Beer drinking
How to find a cheap flight to a foreign country
Basic computer programming
Sports?
… anything I missed?
I’m starting to think your lying problem is pathological.
The utility of the word “promiscuous.”
Molly, you forgot taping sex!
@Laura: Actually I would like to know what the solid goal of third-wave feminism is. First wave had voting rights, second-wave had employment and family changes. So what concrete, solid goal does third wave trying to accomplish?
My thought is similar to Marxist class struggle but just replacing class with gender. And “class struggle” is never ending with no clear goals.
All the legal things in the entire world ever, and other lawyerish stuff.
language, it’s just kind of this fuzzy thing that’s out there, man. what, some people use it communicate ideas? and that this might require shared definitions so everyone knows theyre talking about the same thing? fucking sickos. let me tell them about the cool logicity of the brandonverse.
Except that sluts are irresponsible and awful people that should not get married ever. Or have children. Or be treated like people. Other than that, you love them.
@Laura: Ok…think what you want. You are entitled to your own opinion. But I certainly don’t date prudish women. They are boring.
“And how the fuck are cancer rates and women living longer the fault of feminism? feminists cause cancer now? real intelligence there. Men abusing more alcohol and drugs too? FEMINISTSRAWRFhjDSJHHJ!!!”
Obviously, Quakers, we’re driving the men to drink.
@Bostonian: Sluts are people. Often very sexy people that have lots of sex. I love women that like lots of sex.
“Ok…think what you want. You are entitled to your own opinion. But I certainly don’t date prudish women. They are boring.”
So what’s the cutoff between “not boring” and “wouldn’t trust them to drive a truck”? 1 partner? 2?
Only sluts and prudes exist!
What a nuanced understanding of women.
(This is sarcasm, Brandon. I’m telling you because I know you’re slow about that sort of thing.)
“Sluts are people. Often very sexy people that have lots of sex. I love women that like lots of sex.”
I think Brandon forgot all about what he wrote about sluts and marriage… what was it, 24 hours ago?
Or is he now like, “Sluts are people too, you just can’t trust them enough to marry ‘em?”
@Molly: What the hell do trucks have to do with anything? Oh…you are conflating and misinterpreting an analogy that I made earlier. Nice strawman!
So, uh… are you changing your mind and very sorry about the things you said before?
Or have you confused Manboobzerz with goldfish and you’re hoping that three seconds and a shiny object are enough to completely wipe our memories?
@Molly: Well since I am anti-marriage even for non-sluts…how does that make me a slut hater?
Marry a prudish women, then cheat on her with all the sluts. Or something. …Profit!
…Fuck it: bears fall, everybody gets eaten.
Maybe Brandon hasn’t yet developed object permanence and forgets his previous comments exist as soon as they’re off the page.
Brandon, I’m interested in how you would describe second wave feminism, and how it differs from third wave, and what your issues with third wave are.
I’m not even going to go into first wave, because there’s a common idea that it’s “Just, you know, women wanted to vote. And stuff. I mean, we gotta say we’re for that, so we can say feminism has gone too far! ” – But anyway, Brandon claims notion of “the waves” and says he’s totaly down with first AND SECOND. Interested. Tell me BRANDON’S HISTORY OF FEMINISM, and tell me where it went astray.
Your scare quotes make your opinions on motherhood pretty clear , Brandon. Since you are not a parent yourself, I think it’s best if you stop making declarations about the how easy and unimportant motherhood is.
Cue the “I NEVER SAID THAT” from Brandon.
@thebionicmommy: Again, not saying motherhood is easy or not important. I just think you hold it on this massive pedestal and have romanticized it to a point where even the slightest criticism of motherhood elicits a knee-jerk reaction from you to say I hate mothers.
“What the hell do trucks have to do with anything? Oh…you are conflating and misinterpreting an analogy that I made earlier. Nice strawman!”
Brandon, this isn’t even a strawman. It’s “What the eff do you even mean?”
Earlier you stated that you thought sluts weren’t good marriage material because they were irresponsible, and compared marrying one to trusting a drunk to drive an eighteen wheeler.
Now you’re talking about how sluts are people too, and that you love them.
Can you fill in the blank as to how we got from one to the other?
Ah, reality, it does not work like Brandon thinks it works http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/full
The part that makes you a misogynist is thinking she was sub par based on her gender. Both of my parents sucked in a lot of ways, but they didn’t suck because they were a mother per se and a father per se.
In addition, I said that stay at home parenting and being a caretaker to a child was work, you are the one reading that as women as the caretaker. Men who are stay at home parents and who are caretakers of children are also working.
@darksidecat: Actually her gender had very little to do with it.
He blames mom, how original. Just because she didn’t cater to precious Brandon’s every whim. The nerve of her. Now she just tries too hard. Meanwhile, Dad’s just perfect, and did I mention he’s a lawyer?
If I had a kid like you, I’d know I failed as a parent.
Now you love sluts, Brandon? Sorta flies in the face of what you said earlier in this very thread.
@hellkell: Actually my mother spoiled me as a kid. I certainly got more than most of the kids in the neighborhood.
How do I hate women? I would like to see some specifics.
Without a hint of irony.
At least we know he’s said one true thing once: That he doesn’t mind double standards.
He wants specifics on how he hates women?
Can he get those after he provides specifics on how Bagelsan and I hate men?
Well that explains a hell of a lot.
yes brandon, we know youre really spoiled. you dont have to explain it to us.
@Laura: No. You see, I don’t really care that a bunch of man hating feminists think I am a woman hater. However, you seem to care very much that I called you a man hater.
BRANDON CARES SO LITTLE HE SPENDS SIX HOURS A DAY TELLING US HE DON’T CARE
brandon, ladies and gentlemen