Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career
Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.
Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Posted on November 27, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, life before feminism, misogyny, oppressed men, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,774 Comments.
So, you believe that fathers can raise daughters “with help”, but mothers are utterly incapable of raising sons, with help or without. Nice misogyny there.
Ever done anyone else’s?
@Comrade: When did I say I would push all the child care onto the mother. Earlier I clearly stated that both people should be working and contributing equally to the home and child. That is equal.
But lots of men grow up to become perfectly good and capable men without engaged or present fathers. My man’s father didn’t want a thing to do with him, apart from financial considerations, and he grew up just fine.
In my opinion it’s just foolish for a young man to require the guidance of a father if he has a mother who is providing a stable and loving home. I have to wonder what was wrong with Brandon that his mother’s warm and loving home wasn’t enough to trigger his inherent manliness?
An insufficient sense of self-reliance perhaps.*
*It kills the joke to have to explain sarcasm but, you know, this is Brandon.
Perhaps your mom’s relationship with you was informed by the presence and man-mentorship of your dad and all of his judge-friends. Perhaps you can’t really extrapolate how all single mom-son relationships are from your singular experience of being Brandon, Brandon.
I know it would break the Code, but I’m sort of manly (even though I was raised mostly by my mother! how’d that happen???), so Brandon, would you care to tell us what these “man-specific topics” that only a man can teach a boy are?
I’ve got a pretty good handle on how y’all pee standing up, if that’s the issue.
@Amused: Yes I have. I have done my mothers, fathers, baby cousins, etc…
@Amused: No I think it is arrogant of mothers to think they can provide everything for their sons. Just like I think it is arrogant of fathers to think the same.
Mothers need men to help raise their sons and Fathers need women to help raise their daughters. No where did I say mothers were useless.
At this point, I’m starting to think if Brandon was made to apologize for all of his lies, we’d be here for all eternity.
Still waiting.
@Nobinayamu: And lots of men raised by single mothers end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Your point is?
And lots of men (and women) raised in a two-parent family also end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Or indeed both.
So your point is…?
You didn’t just say mothers were useless. You said that mothers who are raising their sons as single parents are actively HARMING them.
Moreover, you didn’t say that “mothers need men to help raise their sons” — you claimed that mothers cannot raise their sons without the father being around. At the same time, you claimed that a father is perfectly capable of raising daughters without the mother, as long as some women give him limited help on “female-specific” topics. In other words, you established a clear double standard, with fathers as innately superior parents for raising both male and female children.
I can also teach a boy how to bait a hook and throw a punch.
It might be technically a girl punch, but I’m sure once he practices and makes it his own it won’t be so different that it turns him into a suicidal drug addict.
There isn’t a single reputable study demonstrating a causal link between being raised by one’s mother and having a drug addiction, or being prone to suicide.
Girls can’t be used for fucking? When did this happen?
If you’re “using” a person you’re doing it wrong. Hence your seemingly irrational fear of FRA. Those of us who know a thing or two think you’re being paranoid, but maybe you have a legitimate reason to fear being accused of violating a partner. Food for thought.
Brandon, lots of men raised by single fathers and or with two-parent families end up killing themselves or addicted to drugs. What’s your point?
Incidentally, my point was that you earlier stated that children with unreliable parents should just understand and accept the unreliability in order to avoid being unrealistic. By that logic, boys whose fathers are absent or peripheral should be able to accept that and become “manly.” Right?
And what’s with you demanding Wetherby provide citations for his claims about what you said? Didn’t you accuse Lauralot of being a man-hater without so much as a single quote?
@Laura: keep waiting.
@Amused: While I love and care about my mother very much. The “feminist” part of her is actually quite annoying. She moves through life always trying to prove herself. It gets quite old very quickly. But that is just one part of her personality. I also don’t like parts of my fathers personality, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love him either.
Fathers would be harming their daughters if the father was going through life thinking they can provide everything for his daughter.
Ninja-ed.
It’s almost as if he’s a hypocrite.
Add single parents to the list of things Brandon knows nothing about and is actively working to offend.
@Amused: Well I do think my father is the better parent.
Maybe if her family didn’t regard her as useless beyond domestic services, maybe she wouldn’t need to always prove herself. On second thought, since in your view, only men ever have anything of substance to say, I guess every time she says something that goes beyond cooking and cleaning counts as “trying to prove herself” and I bet it annoys the hell out of you.
Once again — you didn’t just say that mothers would be harming their sons if they thought they could provide everything. You said mothers are harming their sons by raising them as single parents. You are still allowing for fathers to count as good parents even if they are single, while claiming that single mothers are pretty much child abusers just by virtue of their status.
I know Brandon doesn’t like evidence, but I’m just gonna leave this here.
Unfortunately, I didn’t see anything about risk levels relating to a noncustodial parent’s refusal to pick up a birthday cake because he was asked in an insufficiently groveling manner.
Brandon, I hope you realize that until such time as you provide the requested evidence to back up your claim that Lauralot is a man-hater or admit that you can’t and apologize to her, you’re tacitly admitting “I am full of shit – please feel free to disbelieve everything else I say?”
After all, if you tell a blatant lie once, what’s to stop you from doing it again? And again?
Well, of course — after all, much less is required of him than of your mother to meet that standard.
Yeah, Brandon, why can’t boys who don’t have fathers in their lives just realize that no one’s going to help them, they shouldn’t rely on others, and just become men on their own?
What about two women raising a boy, or two men raising a girl? What’s the Brandon Verdict on that?
(The scientific verdict is somewhere between “no harm” and “actually better than the average heterosexual couple,” but I’m waiting to hear what Brandon comes off the cuff with.)
Ah, but remember, he doesn’t care what we think!
How about “saint” as she somehow never smothered you in your sleep?
This sentence is why apostrophes are important. Brandon, you perv.
Objection, Lauralot, that meme seems to imply that Brandon is “interesting”!
@Wetherby: “And lots of men (and women) raised in a two-parent family also end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Or indeed both.”
Usually the other way around, though.
Duly noted. I withdraw the picture.
This sentence is why apostrophes are important. Brandon, you perv.
Father rapers! Sitting right there on the bench next to me!
Y’see! Without a father in his life, how is a boy supposed to know which order to do it in??
Holly: Don’t even ask. Brandon has no conception of how you could get into a relationship like that–who’d be the domineering control freak and who’d be the subservient, passive one?
@Bagelsan: I find it rather disturbing that you dismiss fathers so easily. Maybe you are the man hater and not lauralot…probably both though.
Hey, that’s two apologies Brandon gets to make now!
The only person dismissing parents is Brandon. Mothers just cannot raise kids at all, apparently.
@Laura: I only apologize when I think I am wrong…I don’t think I am wrong. So keep waiting!
@Bostonian: I am actually dismissing single mothers. Not parents.
Now for some laughs:
http://www.quickmeme.com/Radical-Feminist-Hyena/?upcoming
For some actual laughs:
http://mramarmoset.tumblr.com/
@Laura: Better… http://www.quickmeme.com/Hipster-Feminist/?upcoming
http://picsthatdontsuck.com
See? It’s possible to have humor that doesn’t come at the expense of either gender.
You know, Brandon, for someone who claims to be using sarcasm as often as you do – you certainly seem to have a difficult time identifying in practice.
So, you’re basically admitting that nothing that Lauralot has said indicates that she’s a man-hater. Don’t get me wrong, watching you chase your tail in the comments always tickles me but you’re looking real “play-ground” right about now. I know, I know: you don’t care.
Surely, you can provide one, concrete example of Lauralot saying/posting a statement that proves she is a “man-hater”?
Just one?
Oh man, that hyena tumbler!
Brandon, is this how you get the information you’re always tossing around here, willy-nilly? Like your assertion that more men are raped in prison then women are in the country? And a bunch of posters cited actual studies that proved why that claim was false? Was it the hyena quick meme that told you that? Seriously?
Oh, that’s too precious.
Well if you want a well written article on why the idea of “male privilege” is bullshit:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-feminist-fantasy-of-male-privilege/
Otherwise, I have to sink to your emotional level and just post shock and awe links to quickmeme.
This is his default when he’s getting his ass handed to him, and this coming from Brandon, the King of Black and White Thinking, is TOO RICH.
Brandon, are you working out your mommy issues by coming here?
@Hellkell: Are you implying that my mother was a bad mother? Because that would just help my point that fathers are needed to raise boys properly.
Yes, Brandon, the Spearhead is known for its fair and balanced articles, much like Fox News.
@Hellkell: Are you implying that my mother was a bad mother? Because that would just help my point that fathers are needed to raise boys properly.
…Uh….
No, I don’t think she was a bad mother–I think they both raised a shit–but you clearly have a problem with having a feminist mother.
It’s that time again! Brandon runs out of arguments so he just starts posting random links and hopes no one notices.
Hey Brandon, since you’ve tacitly admitted you can’t prove I hate men, you should probably take it back now. Don’t you want to remove even a little piece of evidence from the rapidly growing pile of proof that you’re full of shit?
So in Brandonland, single mothers are not, in fact, parents? Ok, I am sorry , MARL, Brandon wins for shallow, stupid twit of the day.
@Laura: Why do you care if I apologize or not? Clearly you don’t respect me, so why would you respect my opinions?
I don’t respect your opinions. I’m just highly in favor of making sure you’re called out on your shit.
I still want to know what special male knowledge only a man can impart to a boy. (Well, I understand, there are females reading this, you can’t just say it, then what would a father be good for. But can we get, like, hints?)
…Is it a wanking thing?
it should be noted that brandon doesnt have opinions in an formal sense of the word so much as an aggregation of his petty needs and hatreds
NO ONE here respects you or your opinions. So, you know, why don’t you just tell us to fuck off or whatever you say to disrespectful bitches and hit the road?
“it should be noted that brandon doesnt have opinions in an formal sense of the word so much as an aggregation of his petty needs and hatreds”
Beautifully said.
But hellkell, I’m pretty sure we’re the only people who give him any form of attention. You can’t ask the poor, poor thing to give that up, now can you?
@holly
all men, no matter how short or out of shape, secretly have the ability to dunk a basketball, thanks to special techniques passed down from father to son. we just never use it around women out of fear of devaluing the majesty of a truly sick dunk.
Well now that Brandon linked an article from AVfM, he can finally admit he is an MRA. There is no denying it at this point.
@Holly: Because women do not live as men so they do not have experiences that only men have.
And your simplistic mind can only come back with “masturbation techniques”. That just shows me that you have little understanding of how men live their lives. Men often have shared experiences that few (or no) women have experienced.
@hellkell
he does it for the attention. i thought that was pretty obvious by now.
@lauralot
i dunno, i have a suspicion brandon behaves like a cad for attention irl too, and it probably works
I think we are implying that something went really badly with both mommy and daddy for you to turn out so bloody selfish.
@thebionicmommy: I have also linked to Jezebel and Feministing…does that make me a feminist?
Ready to admit you were wrong yet, Brandon?
@hellkell: Because I just like to annoy you…it is my sick fetish. ;)
Brandon, you said it was a well written article. If you like the stuff at AVfM, that’s a pretty big clue you’re an MRA. Your little quick meme links tearing down a straw feminist are also clues you’re an MRA.
@Julie: Well, if anything did go wrong…it would be my mothers fault.