Dear Men Who Hate Ladies: How do I make my boner go away?
Women -- don't let them tempt you with their witchy ways!
Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Posted on November 26, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, cupcake, disgusting women, evil women, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, sex, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 1,197 Comments.
NWO, when my boyfriend was grieving after a personal loss I came to his house with chocolate. I took him out to a bar and bought him drinks and food and listened to his woes. I let him vent and I held his hand and talked him through some of the things he was feeling. We went home and I held him and he cried a little and I spooned around him until he fell asleep.
So you telling me I have no tenderness or sympathy isn’t even hurtful. It’s just calling a giant short. It’s a nonsensical insult, one that reveals just how little you know.
You didn’t actually understand either one. The “Slavering Beast” one was about how rapists look the same as other men, not about how all men are rapists. The other one was about supporting rape victims personally, not about going after accused men personally–the two are separate activities.
How can you say you’re pro-male when you hate way more men than I do? (Also, I notice you made an exception for DKM’s dollies.)
Right, because we always go out in a transparent shirt, a miniskirt, and no panties. Not, say, jeans and t-shirts.
Only as much and as little as any other human does.
So, let me see if I’ve got this. Someone with personal autonomy — the ability to be independent — who chooses to stay with their partner is not loyal. Only a person who has no option but to stay with their partner because of some external force is loyal.
That’s some fucked up shit right there, milkslave.
This isn’t true. This isn’t even a thing.
I’d find sources, but you don’t believe in sources, so. I said it wasn’t true, therefore I have proven it wasn’t true.
Proven it. That’s proof.
Then why give up on affection?
“The good ones get snapped up pretty quickly, they’re quite rare.”
There are 7 billion people in the world. Everyone is different and very few is what most people consider “the good ones”. That’s down to compatibility and human diversity.
So, NWO, are we to assume you ended up with the bad ones?
NWO, honey, my poly network includes 25% people attracted to men and 100% people attracted to women. We’re servicing a lot of straight dudes here. It all balances out!
Also, I am attracted to James Deen, Andrej Pejic and Ryan Ross, among others, for being pretty, and Meryl Streep, Elizabeth Bear and Idina Menzel, among others, for their achievements.
Yeah, NWOslave, Holly laid down some proofs. What proofs have you set up against her proofs? No proofs. No proofs at all.
It’s obvious that the only reason you reject her proven proofs is Hatred.
Whatever “bad” means in NWO land, that is.
This might seem off topic, but it will be quite relevant shortly. Do any of the ladies here wear a bra to bed?
Joanna – No! Bras are terrible contraptions. I need them to go out in public and not look a little too “hello, no bra here!”, but as soon as I’m in private, off it goes.
@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO, when my boyfriend was grieving after a personal loss I came to his house with chocolate. I took him out to a bar and bought him drinks and food and listened to his woes.”
Ya know what Holly? You might be all you claim to be and a bag of chips to boot. Here’s the problem though, one of your personal flaws.
You do support women who say they’ve been harrassed in any way.
You deny the laws that entitle and privilege women over men.
You deny men and women are different and have different natures.
You deny men and women have different abilities.
You deny laws that most definitely discriminate against men.
You deny the wholesale slander of all men in the MSM.
You deny the massive charity for women only.
And this attitude is promoted and accepted by virtually all women.
Um, I totally offer things to my partners beyond sex. Even the fuckbuddies, I like to think that I also provide snark and excessive D&D references.
Blah blah blah NWO. I’m not going to work hard to refute silly accusations that took you 5 seconds and zero thought to make. You can’t just list out crap and have me jump, not every time.
Do you still think women should be slaves to men? Because it’s a bit silly arguing over the minor details of charity program allocation when that’s on the table.
@Holly: IKR? I was with a guy years ago who was flabbergasted I didn’t wear a bra to bed cos his last gf did or something. He still finds it weird for some reason. But I guess my point is that individuality thing that NWO seems to have problem grasping. Just because the girl you were with slept in a bra, doesn’t mean all girls sleep in a bra.
“And this attitude is promoted and accepted by virtually all women.”
You can’t possibly know all women. That’s like 3.5 billion people!
I love how all of Holly’s flaws boil down to “disagreeing w/NWO” and/or “not being a misogynist”. XD
@Holly Pervocracy
“Do you still think women should be slaves to men?” Said the trustee to the slave.
@Joanna
“You can’t possibly know all women. That’s like 3.5 billion people!”
Neither can you, yet if the women on manboobz are a good indicator of women in general, the answer is self evident.
Okay, make me a sandwich.
If you find yourself not making me a sandwich, and not suffering any consequences for it, you are not my slave. (In fact, you’re not anyone’s slave and that’s an insult to real slaves and I think we’ve been down this path before. For example, very few actual slaves get to rant on the Internet about how horrible their masters are for several hours at a time.)
…Also, that’s not a “no.”
“Neither can you, yet if the women on manboobz are a good indicator of women in general, the answer is self evident.”
Well, I don’t know any women like the ones you describe, so saying all women are like that is clearly wrong.
That’s not an answer.
I’m against slavery. I don’t think anybody should ever, under any circumstances be forced into slavery. Holly thinks the same thing, as do most of the other posters here.
Do you think slavery is ever justified, NWOlsave? Whether it’s a “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander”* thing or not?
*Is that what you meant by “zero sum game”? If so, that’s not what “zero sum” means.
@darksidecat
“I love how all of Holly’s flaws boil down to “disagreeing w/NWO”
My flaws fall into the same category, I disagreed with a woman, now every woman here has named me a misogynist.
And the Manboobz ladies are awesome ^_^
“I disagreed with a woman, now every woman here has named me a misogynist.”
You’re a misogynist because you hate women. There’s a difference.
“You deny men and women are different and have different natures.”
Since your view of a woman’s nature so far has been “souless harpy who only pretends to like people so they’ll buy her stuff”, then yeah, we’re gonna disagree with you.
When you disagree with women (or anyone) about people’s basic humanity, you kind of tend to get labelled a bigot. It’s not a function of the disagreement so much as of the vileness of your opinions.
What do women place on the table?
Not loyalty, they have sexual agency, the opposite of loyalty.
NWO, this doesn’t even begin to make sense. Having the right and ability to choose whom you have sex with is not only not in any way, shape, or form the opposite of loyalty, it’s also something everyone, male or female, has. By your bizarre reasoning, the fact that I freely choose to have sex only with my boyfriend means I am disloyal to him. How does that make sense even inside your head? Seriously, please explain this. I want to hear how my freely-made choice to boink the hell out of my boyfriend and no one else is disloyal to him.
Not concern, tenderness or sympathy for even individual men above women as a whole.
Exactly! When my boyfriend had cancer and I sat next to him and held him and cried with him while the chemo made him double over in pain, I was doing it because I feel no tenderness or sympathy for him! Makes perfect sense!
Again, NWO, this shit is just silly.
Just two of your posts off the top of my head, slavering beast, and 100% support of women who merely accuse any man. Both are an insult to men and endemic of the society we live in. Both posts were given rave reviews from the entire crew.
Yeah, you really didn’t understand either post. “Rapists don’t wear neon signs saying ‘HI I’M A RAPIST.’ They just seem like ordinary dudes” is not actually remotely the same thing as “Ordinary dudes are all rapists.” Most men are not rapists. But the ones who are rapists don’t look like some sort of special monster. They look like – for example – friendly, elderly football coaches who do volunteer work with kids. Acknowledging that sometimes friendly, elderly football coaches who do volunteer work with kids are rapists is not actually an attack on men as a whole.
As for the latter, it’s been explained to you about a dozen times that being sympathetic to victims is not the same thing as immediately hunting down their alleged attackers, and I don’t see the point in explaining it yet again, since you’ll just ignore it, anyway.
The constant support for gays and men wearing dresses , both of which is anti-masculine to say the least.
It’s really, really silly when you explicitly include “being supportive of men” as an example of how women are not supportive of men. We all know you hate men who deviate from your particular idea of what men ought to be, but that doesn’t actually make supporting them not supporting them.
Women say they don’t dress for other men, but that’s exactly what it is. Disloyalty, flaunting your sexuality for all men instead of the man you claim to love.
Even ignoring the stupidity of the whole “you dress for other men even if you SAY you don’t” thing, my everyday attire when not at work is a t-shirt (frequently with some sort of geeky pop culture reference on it), jeans, and sneakers. What exactly am I flaunting? Also, you’ve explicitly stated that what women should wear is “whatever a man wants.” Given that my boyfriend gave me a couple of the aforementioned geeky t-shirts, please explain how wearing them is disloyal. I’m quite curious. Please do tell!
Let’s be fair now. I never said straight people were all pedophile serial killers, and I never told men that they were asking to be raped, and I never told men they should be my sex slaves!
@Spearhafoc
“Is that what you meant by “zero sum game”? If so, that’s not what “zero sum” means.”
We already went thru the zero sum game nonsense. My reply was something along the lines of preferring the motto of Al Capone in the untouchables. If you pull a knife, I pull a gun, if you pull a gun, I pull a machine gun. In other words, one-upmanship.
@Holly Pervocracy
Primary aggressor law, witholding sex from a woman is DV. It’s emotional coercion.
Gosh Polliwog, that must have been tough =(
“Primary aggressor law, witholding sex from a woman is DV. It’s emotional coercion.”
You make it sound like it’s intentional O.o Proof!
How does a woman’s nature differ from a man’s, NWOslave? What does the ideal woman act like?
NWO, that’s escalation, not zero-sum.
Yeah, that’s not actually what a zero-sum game means at all. This is what we were talking about with “willfully ignorant,” by the way. There is knowledge available in this matter. Avail yourself of it.
http://www.investorwords.com/5383/zero_sum_game.html
“Situation or interaction in which one participant’s gains result only from another’s equivalent losses.”
(I didn’t link Wikipedia because I know how you get. But the same definition is a zillion places on the Internet and in many books.)
Do you understand how that’s different from your understanding of the term? Are you willing to admit, ever, that you had the word wrong and you will use it differently in the future?
So then, since you used your Zero Sum Game (sic) to get out of answering a question, I’ll ask it again.
What should women wear?
Show us a picture of a woman dressed in clothes that display appropriate modesty and femininity; a woman who’s not “flaunting her sexuality” and therefore doesn’t deserve to be raped.
We’re all curious, NWOslave. What should they wear?
ON WHAT PLANET.
Seriously. I want some sort of link or citation here naming what PLANET this occurs on.
Hey, NWO! What makes you happy?
NWO, I too want to know what is appropriately modest attire for me to wear so I don’t get raped.
And I want to know what a woman’s true nature is like. Do you agree with Meller about his stuff about Good Old-Fashioned Girls!! or do you disagree with him?
@Holly Pervocracy
“Yeah, that’s not actually what a zero-sum game means at all. This is what we were talking about with “willfully ignorant,” by the way. There is knowledge available in this matter. Avail yourself of it.”
I know, all of you have given me the link many times. I told you, I prefer one-upmanship. You cry about being oppressed because your precious feelings are hurt, and I give you a law showing how you can kick a man out of his home with a restraining order for you precious feelings. See, one-upmanship. Your precious feelings seem quite inconsequencial compared to the violence of the State wielded indiscriminantly by women.
Here, I will help.
THINGS THAT HAVE RECENTLY MADE OZY HAPPY AND MIGHT MAKE NWO HAPPY
Cake
Achieving something you didn’t think you could
Silly songs about being a bird-plane
Christmas music
Giving presents to people you love
Talking to your friends
Writing stories
Christmas-flavored tea
Taking a shower
Baking
Taking a nap
Reading Rolling Stone
Meeting new people
Watching the world go by out of the window of a car
The Manboobz Chattybox!
He’s seen the ‘withholding sex or affection’ thing on a long list of things abusers do. He chooses to ignore everthing else on the list.
“You cry about being oppressed because your precious feelings are hurt, and I give you a law showing how you can kick a man out of his home with a restraining order for you precious feelings.”
That’s right, NWO. If a man killed me fat: RESTRAINING ORDER!!!
Seriously, I don’t think even you believe the shit you spew.
Lol! Called me fat. If a man called me fat! Gosh how embarrassing XD
@ozymandias42
“Hey, NWO! What makes you happy?”
Equality before the law. A society without a privileged gender. Justice. Freedom.
Looks like I’m shit outta luck, huh?
NWOslave,
Take a look at this picture.
Is Joan Holloway (the redhead on the left) flaunting her sexuality? What about Peggy Olson (the brunette on the right)?
You don’t get to just decide that words mean different things. If everyone talked that way, we’d have banana goat quizzical under fortitude castle.
You learned English somehow, you know. You were born not knowing English and you learned it. Just think of it as a continuing process, instead of arrogantly pretending that you’re so smart you can override the dictionary.
Anyway, a man can get a restraining order against a woman. Or another man! I worked at a facility not long ago where we had to institute some serious security procedures because one of our male patients had a restraining order against another man who had abused him. (And no, not Teh Gay. It was a father and son. Restraining orders aren’t just for couples, either.)
http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf
The power and control wheel on which our entire grievance industry in based. Good old gender law.
Gosh Polliwog, that must have been tough =(
Yeah, the Year of Cancer (as I call it) was not a fun year. He was lucky – his particular variety is one of the most survivable cancers, and he happens to live literally within walking distance of one of the best cancer treatment hospitals in the country, so we were at least always pretty confident that he would make it out the other side okay. Still, chemo and multiple surgeries aren’t exactly fun even when you’re 97% sure it’ll be all right in the end. But as of his last check-up, he’s entirely cancer-free, so that’s super-awesome. :-D (And I joke that his scars are kinda sexy – I mean, he basically got in a knife-fight with cancer and won! How badass is that?)
NWOslave refuses to be happy until the revolution starts!11!!
As someone who works in a court, NWO, I do believe I know more about the process of having a man removed from his house-and it takes more then just having one’s feelings hurt.
@Polliwog: Great to hear. Rock on, all you badass cancer survivors! XD
As you can see, under, “using emotional abuse.” Calling a woman fat would be, “putting her down.” Which is DV.
It seems I know a bit more about law than the smart people.
That’s a diagram, not a law. But do you disagree with it? Which parts? On what grounds?
Although obviously not all of these happen all the time, and not all abuse is female-on-male, the things on the wheel do sound like good descriptions of things that happen in abusive relationships. Do you think these things don’t happen? Why is that?
I know you don’t like answering questions, but your statement as it stands is so unclear. It’s not even clear that you disagree with what the diagram is saying. Much less why you disagree and how you’d like it changed. We can’t possibly question our feminist dogma if the only person challenging us won’t even explain what he’s saying.
” it takes more then just having one’s feelings hurt.”
But when women cry, the court’s in their favor. Duh!
NWO uses a dictionary to try and legitimize his use of “yea,” yet when someone gives him the definition of “zero-sum game,” he says he prefers his own personal, made up meaning.
Makes perfect sense.
“I mean, he basically got in a knife-fight with cancer and won! How badass is that?”
D’awwww! You and your boyfriend sound awesome together. :)
“It seems I know a bit more about law than the smart people.”\
Lol. No.
What about Betty Draper here?
My personal thoughts about Betty aside, I know I would be particularly interested in a woman wearing that coat. It shows she has exquisite taste.
It’s a diagram, not a law.
Putting your partner down is a cruel thing to do. It’s clearly not an okay thing that happens in the course of a healthy relationship.
But it’s also not illegal. Just wrong.
“It seems I know a bit more about law than the smart people.”
LMAO! NWO you slay me! Seriously, my sides hurt from laughing.
Hell, under economic abuse you can’t even deny a woman spending every cent you earn on herself.
I can’t make her ask for money.
I can’t give an allowance.
I can’t take her money.
I can’t hide money.
All DV.
“Hell, under economic abuse you can’t even deny a woman spending every cent you earn on herself.”
Seriously, prove it!
“All DV.”
Lol. No.
What about Don’s secretary Megan? Is she dressed appropriately?
THE DIAGRAM IS NOT A LAW. It’s a list of signs of an abusive relationship! But “abuse,” itself, is not against the law! Only physical violence is against the law!
However, everything on that list is still things you shouldn’t do, even though most of them are legal. Treating your partner like a child who can’t be trusted with money is legal, but wrong. You should not be in a relationship with someone if you can’t trust them to play as much of a role as you do in the household finances.
Under what legal definition?
What about Don’s earlier secretary Alison?
Surely she’s not flaunting her sexuality. Or is she? NWOslave, you decide.
I know two women who did nearly everything on that “power and control wheel” to their male partner. Is it still OK if a woman does it, NWO?
It’s not like an a la carte menu, NWO. You don’t get to go to court, look up a single offense, and get men thrown into jail. That chart is supposed to show you some ways in which controlling behavior manifests. A single instance of, let’s say, making her feel guilty is not anything most people will raise their eyebrows about. Hell, my mother used that to great effect for a long time against both her children, and I don’t think her behavior was abusive. It wasn’t pleasant, but the rest of our relationship mitigated her guilt-inducing tendencies. Context, dude, context.
What about Trudy Campbell?
Is she “asking for it”?