Dear Men Who Hate Ladies: How do I make my boner go away?
Women -- don't let them tempt you with their witchy ways!
Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Posted on November 26, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, cupcake, disgusting women, evil women, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, sex, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 1,197 Comments.
SPEAR, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WOMEN ARE ENTITLED AND ARROGANT ABOUT THEIR CHOICES AND HAVE A HUGE OVERINFLATED EGO AND ARE MEAN TO MEN WHO THEY DEEM AS UNWORTHY TO BE IN THEIR PRESENCE.
Is that clear enough for you?
Arks, the only stats you have in that thread suggest that women who think they’re ugly have more sex partners (presumably out of a need for validation). I, on the other hand, have read studies of the halo effect that suggest there are no statistically significant gender differences. Do you have a peer-reviewed study that suggests otherwise?
@Spearhafoc
“Protip: When talking about how smart you are in every situation, avoid making grammatical errors in the exact same sentence. The vocative comma is your friend, MRAL.”
There is no correlation between proper grammar and intelligence, nor is there any correlation between knowlege and intelligence. Due to easy access of knowlege in the computer age many people consider themselves intelligent.
Newton, Bell, Franklin, Edison; The inventers, philosophers of old were far more intelligent than anyone here. They did everything with intelligence, imagination and no wiki-knowlege. Yet by feminist standards, if they’d misspelled one word or misplaced one coma they’d be unintelligent fools.
Linguistic skill is another false indicator of intelligence. Being able to speak fluently, or even express ones idea with clarity also has no correlation with raw intelligence. Steve Hawkings comes to mind. Many people with speech impediments easily dwarf the intelligence of the well spoken.
Another serious error for evaluating intelligence is languages spoken. Beaing able to fluently speak two or more languages has no bearing on intelligence. A person who can barely speak one language correctly can quite easily by far more intelligent than a person who is stupid in two or three languages.
Perhaps you should re-evaluate what constitutes intelligence.
Arks, this is the Internet, we have no idea what you look like but we think you are creepy from reading your post/your opinion. Eager meat jar?
Isn’t it funny how that works?
Stephen Hawking (cripes!) expresses his ideas with great clarity. He doesn’t speak, no, but he communicates excellently.
There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.
Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.
I had several guys speak to me last night that i wasn’t particularly interested in, i just really didn’t feel like talking to people, it’s possible if someone i found particularly attractive talked to me I may have made exceptions. However these guys were nice and not creepy at all and I had short pleasant conversation with them regardless, I have no problem with them what so ever i just wasn’t feeling super social. So in MRA world am I a huge bitch for this? for not feeling like exchanging numbers or engaging in long conversations with these men even though I possibly would have made exceptions if I found something super attractive about them? I don’t get it. Where is the line?
Do you consider yourself intelligent, NWO?
It’s so… so NWO-like, the assertion that Internet misogynists are really just secret Stephen Hawkings unable to communicate their true brilliance.
It’s also an interesting reversal of the “if you make a grammar error, your argument is invalid” fallacy–“if you point out a grammar error, all other objections you have are invalid.”
Of course he does. He’s the only one of us who doesn’t get regular “flouride” injections.
No, this is NWO in a nutshell.
I mean, there’s sort of a point here, that knowledge isn’t the same thing as ability. But refusing to acquire and use knowledge when it’s available… really doesn’t speak well of your ability.
@Holly Pervocracy
I dunno? What I wrote above seemed quite intelligent. Yet your automatic response was…..
“There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.”
“Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.”
I’m stupid by default because of feminist hatred. Do tell! How is what I’ve written above deserving of your scorn?
Um, no.
ozymandias commented to me:
Heroicman: It’s kind of amazing how… benign you make MGTOW seem. Almost like allies!.Too bad it’s not actualy the case.
Actually, Ozy I just meant that the MGTOW movement is not monolithic. Some MGTOW include women. Some are more separatist. That is not a good thing. However some MGTOW includes women. Can MGTOW and Feminists and women be allies as you mentioned Ozy? Depends on the individual situation.
On its own, it would only be a little silly, what with your getting Stephen Hawking’s name wrong and claiming that because we criticize MRAs’ grammar we must have no real arguments against them.
But coming from a person who believes (in this thread alone) that same-sex sex is the only thing that makes a person gay and that you can’t be gay without it, that gayness can be taught, and that gay people are 15 times more likely to be serial killers or pedophiles… well, you see why I’m scornful.
(Hey… since gayness is taught, do they also teach serial-killing at the same time? It must be subtle. I don’t remember that class.)
You’re free to provide data for any of those claims, but “I’m smart so I don’t need data” is… well, it’s like claiming you’re so smart you know what’s inside a sealed box. You’re not psychic, therefore you need data.
Arks: Do you think it’s a coincidence that feminists are almost always ugly harpies
Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence.
The almost is clever, it does let you admit to indivual feminists being attractive, but still aver that all the rest (countless hordes) are all ugly, and ill-tempered.
The lurkers also, I am sure, support you in e-mail.
Heroicman, are you Samuel?
Whether you’re Samuel or not, have you read the OP?
@Holly Pervocracy
If we both acquire the same knowlege yet reach different conclusions, why am I stupid while you retain the default position of intelligence?
That’s the thing though, NWOslave. You haven’t acquired any knowledge. You’re a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin.
NWO: I dunno? What I wrote above seemed quite intelligent. Yet your automatic response was…..
Seemed, perhaps. You made logical errors, conflated several things, and included a number of unfounded (and unsuported assertions), all while missing the point (that claiming one is, “never dumb”, while making simple errors in the chosen medium of communication is, prima facie a counter-example which disproves the initial assertion).
So, it may have seemed intelligent, but it wasn’t.
Because you don’t acquire knowledge. Mostly you ignore it, and when you deign to respond you say you don’t accept it.
I can’t get you to name the last time you read an article or book or watched a documentary or heard a fact and believed it. Therefore I can’t get you to name an instance of yourself acquiring knowledge.
“If they’re tall and good looking, persistence is ‘romantic.’”
Put down the Twilight novels, Arks.
NWO: Do you remember when you tried to do math? Remember how you forgot how time scales into all population demographics? Or how about how you have continually failed statistics? Never mind that you fail to source much of your knowledge and it is often just incorrect or horrid misreadings.
Yeah, we’ve harped on you for many things NWO. Feminist hatred alone it is not. It is because you are actually just bad with information, bad with application of intelligence, and bad with logic, as evidenced by many of your interactions here over time. Don’t act like all that you’ve said exists in a vacuum. You’ve proven your own ignorance and capacity time and time again.
@Spearhafoc
“That’s the thing though, NWOslave. You haven’t acquired any knowledge. You’re a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin.”
Is that because you said so?
The statement I’ve made at the top of this page is a fact. Why am I, “a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin?”
Wouldn’t a good description of a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin be someone who attacks someone else for no other reason than hatred, reguardless of how correct their position is on any subject?
Yeah, NWO I’m actually really not so feminist but I still think you’re a gobshite.
“Wouldn’t a good description of a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin be someone who attacks someone else for no other reason than hatred, reguardless of how correct their position is on any subject?”
Yes, but you are never correct. Ever.
Buy a mirror.
And see what I said above about you acquiring knowledge, and name for me one instance of you actually acquiring a fact that you didn’t know before. (From Sesame Street, if necessary.) Every time you’ve been presented with facts here, you’ve ignored them or called them lies, and you’ve refused to provide facts of your own. Is there anywhere you get facts? Because if not, then “willfully ignorant” is the only word for it.
NWO, I’m still curious as to where you acquired the knowledge that homosexuals are 15 times more likely to be pedophiles.
Hey NWO. If you assume feminists automatically hate you because you are a man, and refuse everything they have to say because of that belief, (which is circular reasoning) the result is that people are going to have a low opinion of you, which in your mind, validates your assumption that all feminists hate men.
Have you considered that the way people treat you depends on how you treat them?
I distinguish, usually, between smart and intelligent and educated. Educated means you have access to a bunch of facts; intelligent means you have above average reasoning and/or memory capabilities; smart means you have a yearning to know and a desire for the truth. Your education and intelligence are not your fault: no one can hold your genes or your nutrition, your access to free time and libraries or your shitty schools against you.
But whether or not you’re smart is your own damn fault. My biggest problem with our trolls is that, although some of them are educated and a few are even reasonably intelligent, not one of them has showed the least ability to be smart. (Well, except MRAL, which is part of the reason I like him despite myself.)
@Flib
“Yeah, we’ve harped on you for many things NWO. Feminist hatred alone it is not.”
If that’s the case. Please explain to me why I’m being attacked for the statement at the top of the page. The statement I’ve made is 100% correct. There can only be one reason for such a relentless attack. Hatred.
Exactly.
You make moronic claims (ex. Russian and Spanish use the same alphabet, only contracts written in capital letters are binding, etc), and when someone who’s actually an expert on the topic, or at least knows a thing or two about it, points out that you’re wrong, you continue making the claim. That’s not the sign of an intelligent thinker.
@NWO: Read the rest of the paragraph that you quoted me from. That answer is the same. You do not exist in a vacuum.
NWOslave, you’ve outright stated that you want 51% of the population to be slaves to the other 49%. It’s not all that shocking that people here hate you.
“Yet by feminist standards, if they’d misspelled one word or misplaced one coma they’d be unintelligent fools.”
That’s not a feminist thing. That’s an internet thing. If you’ve ever trolled any other sites apart from feminists sites you’d know that.
I will agree, NWO, that there are intelligent people with very bad grammar. For instance, dyslexics, or the poorly educated, or people who are learning a foreign language, or even the NSWATM contributor Marc (who is a sweetheart, even if he can’t use apostrophes). There is a correlation, insofar as people with good grammar are likely to be more intelligent than people with bad grammar, but it’s hardly a strong correlation.
The same is true of knowledge and intelligence.
…That doesn’t make you smart, though.
@ozymandias42
“But whether or not you’re smart is your own damn fault. My biggest problem with our trolls is that, although some of them are educated and a few are even reasonably intelligent, not one of them has showed the least ability to be smart.”
How can anyone here claim a greater intelligence when I’m being attacked simply for being NWOslave? I’m smart enough to know I’m being attacked not for the statement I’ve made above, but for the hatred you all possess.
if this isn’t the case, why am I being attacked for a statement which is 100% fact?
I doubt that many commenters here actively hate you, NWO. They might think you’re an asshole, but being an asshole doesn’t necessarily mean you’re hated – just that people find you annoying and frustrating and obnoxious.
Me, I kind of pity you, because you’re obviously very unhappy and that makes me sad.
You say things that are not factual all the time, NWO-like the flouride stuff for example. We offer you factual rebuttals and you mock them. So it makes sense to me that we’d deride you a bit.
Once again, you’re confusing “smartness” with “psychic powers.” If you know a thing because you’ve acquired and synthesized knowledge, you’re smart. If you know a thing because you just do, you’re psychic.
I’m pretty sure you’re not either, because you’ve failed to acquire the knowledge “I’ve previously expressed the desire for all women to be slaves of men, as well as many other hateful and/or factually incorrect things” and synthesize it into “they probably still don’t like me because of that.”
If creepiness is all about behaviour, why do people talk about creepy looks on a photo (eg. due to bad light conditions…)? Then people have also talked about creepy music…
@Graham
You can pity me, you can hate me, you can call me an asshole. The simple fact remains, everyone of you is attacking me for stating a position that anyone with even the slightest intelligence would agree with.
Even if, as everyone of you as a monolithic block contend, I’m normally always wrong. The only possible excuse for the relentless attack upon me is indoctrinated hatred.
Talacaris – They’re different meanings of the word? And I have heard people say that someone is “creepy looking,” although it usually has more to do with their dress and grooming than their body.
But we’re not arguing that “creepy” is always used fairly. Only that when it’s used against a guy who happens to refer to vaginas as slime-dripping meat jars, that usage probably has something to do with his behavior.
NWO: The statement I’ve made at the top of this page is a fact. Why am I, “a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin?”
Because when someone (anyone) points out the mistaken facts you believe in, you say, “nunh-unh!”, and repeat it as if that somehow will make reverse the falsity of it.
As an example I offer the following into evidence:
If that’s the case. Please explain to me why I’m being attacked for the statement at the top of the page. The statement I’ve made is 100% correct. There can only be one reason for such a relentless attack. Hatred.
Which, well before this was said, I (among others) has made detailed responses as to why you were in error.
You, blithely, carry on as if no one has eyes to read. As if the mere act of you denying any such thing has taken place makes it so.
That, my dear, is textbook stupidity: repeating the same course of action with the expectation of different results.
Get down off that cross, NWO, we need the wood.
We’ve spent this entire page disagreeing with the position in ways substantially different from “this is wrong because I don’t like NWO.” You either haven’t read those parts or are willfully ignoring them.
This, right here. This is why your statement is wrong. I don’t disagree with the rest of your comment. Poor communication skills do not necessarily correlate with lack of intelligence (philosophers and anthropologists are famous for being shitty writers), although it’s harder to convince people you’re smart if you can’t adequately communicate.
But what you did with that one sentence was a) misinterpret and wildly overexaggerate what someone was saying (Spearhafoc was pointing out, as many have done, that making grammatical errors while pointing out how smart you are is pretty funny, not that one error makes you dumb) and b) make that overexaggeration into something that feminists do for reals, which is itself an overexaggeration (not all feminists care or know about grammar and spelling) as well as misapplied (I’ve seen people point out the same thing that Spearhafoc did in many places that had nothing to do with feminism – it’s a people thing, not a feminist thing). Your own hatred for feminism turned a perfectly innocent comment into frothing ridiculousness.
And that is why people think you’re a hateful idiot.
“The only possible excuse for the relentless attack upon me is indoctrinated hatred.”
And when you say everyone but straight, white males are evil, that is hatred. You really need to look up the definition of hatred.
Sure it would. Take this, for example, when someone was shown how their position on a subject was incorrect:
“Well I see the discussion, or lack there of, has turned into the standard feminist response. Insults, denial of facts, idiocy and mockery. Which means it’s time to say, das vi danya.”
So complicated… Different meanings of the same word… Doubleplusungood!
So you don’t actually have anything against small insects, larvae &c
NWO, you pick and choose what you want to respond to, when others take the time to explain to you why your reasoning is often wrong.
I don’t personally get why so many people are afraid of being wrong. There’s nothing horrible about saying “I didn’t know that” or “I never thought of that.” The worst that can come of being wrong is learning, and then being right the next time.
talacaris: If creepiness is all about behaviour, why do people talk about creepy looks on a photo (eg. due to bad light conditions…)? Then people have also talked about creepy music…
Creepiness isn’t all about behavior. It’s about how one feels. It’s subjective. One person’s creep is another persons swell friend.
Take a look at two pictures of the same guy.
First, look at this. Creepy, no?
And now this. Not so creepy.
So, while creepiness can be conveyed through looks, it’s not about someone’s facial features or anything else inborn, it’s how they carry themselves.
NWO: You can pity me, you can hate me, you can call me an asshole. The simple fact remains, everyone of you is attacking me for stating a position that anyone with even the slightest intelligence would agree with.
No, and you insulting everyone by saying they have no intelligence if they disagree with isn’t going to change the facts of your errors, as elucidated above.
@Pecunium
“That, my dear, is textbook stupidity: repeating the same course of action with the expectation of different results.”
And you have joined in on the attack as well.
Do you believe proper grammar = intelligence?
Do you believe superior speech ability = intelligence?
Do you believe speaking multiple languages = intelligence?
Many here have already answered that question, NWO.
*those questions. ‘Scuse me.
And, for what it’s worth, I don’t hate you, nor pity you. You are an asshole. Anyone who doubts the last has only to look at the ways in which your hatred of women (or at least those women who dare to disagree with the way you think the world ought to work) are manifest in your words.
There is a level at which you disgust me, but that has more to do with your persistent willfulness in refusing to admit to any other reason for people to treat you like the asshat you continually strive to be.
If creepiness is all about behaviour, why do people talk about creepy looks on a photo (eg. due to bad light conditions…)? Then people have also talked about creepy music…
If ugliness is all about looks, why do people talk about being in an ugly mood, or describe fingernails on a chalkboard as an ugly sound?
Oh, right. It’s because words are sometimes used in multiple contexts to describe related but distinct concepts. Duh.
Ugh. Second one didn’t link.
Here’s another one.
I love how Arks comes in here and claims women are actually the ones that are judgmental about men based on looks on an article about men convincing themselves women are terrible based on their “gross” looks . Then he merrily goes on to judge women’s personalities based on their appearance but it’s apparently ok for him to do so because… Descartes??? And because of a statistic that basically proves that women’s social status is dependent on… their looks???
ARKS, CAN YOU READ???
Damn it!
Just…Google Vincent D’Onofrio, I guess.
NWO: And you have joined in on the attack as well.
Do you believe proper grammar = intelligence?
Do you believe superior speech ability = intelligence?
Do you believe speaking multiple languages = intelligence?
No.
No.
Not necessarily. As a marker it tends to track to age. The later one tries to gain a second language seems to map to aptitude, diligence, and some native intelligence. If one is exposed to multiple languages when one is 1-3 years old, it doesn’t seem to (though there seem to be secondary benefits to reasoning/problem solving which come from having more sets of rules/ways of seeing the world).
There you go. The straight answers you always say you want.
Now it’s your turn.
1: Where did I say grammar was a measure of intelligence?
2: Where did I say anything about your grammar?
3: Are you willing to admit people have offered actual critiques of your ideas and logic, not your spelling and grammar?
kladle, didn’t you hear? Men can get away with anything! It’s ok to treat a woman like a sex toy, but when a woman treats a man like a cash machine it’s wrong. It’s ok for men to kill women (cos she deserved it or sumten) but when women kill men it’s all about the man hate and feminist government conspiracies. Men are immune to everything! They’re even allowed to be racist and homophobic!
1. Not exactly, but if you have no reading or writing impediments and someone has explained grammar to you, failure to use that explanation is not intelligent.
2. Physical speech impediments have no bearing on intelligence. Being able to speak correctly but just deciding not to bother means you’re probably not so smart.
3. No, but no one’s claimed that.
There’s one missing, though:
4. Do you believe that espousing ridiculous, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and demanding sex slaves = intelligence?
Right, Arks, the only reason I found the “I find you extremely desirable” guy creepy was because he was short.*
It had nothing to do with my own desire to be left the fuck alone, or the fact that I was not looking to hook up with anyone (being in a relationship and all), or, you know, the fact that his cold open to the conversation was “I find you extremely desirable”, which is not where you’d start if you were *actually* interested in having sex with someone, or the fact that he made the rounds of the the cafe and pulled the same line on every other woman there. No, clearly I was just oppressing him because if he’d looked like Michael Fassbender I would have swooned all over him instead of yelling at him and calling him a creep.
[Insert blinking Sarcasm thingy here]
*I can’t really remember what the guy looked like or how tall he was. Being short myself any guy taller than Hercule Poirot looks at least average to me.
NWO, you happen to be unintelligent AND have poor grammar, speech ability and linguistic skill. Both. Simultaneously.
Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
What I mean is that a creepy look can come from film quality, shadows, or just a bad reaction to the flash of the camera, and many other things.
“I find you extremely desirable”
That’s what I say to delicious food =D
I think I figured out NWO’s gig.
Step 1. Post things that will make people hate you. (i.e., gay people are serial killer pedophiles, women should all be slaves.)
Step 2. Develop martyr complex due to being so hated for daring to speak truth to power. (Willfully ignore all reactions other than “we hate you,” and when people call you “willfully ignorant” on account of all that willful ignoring, take it as more evidence of hatred.)
Step 3. Profit!!!
Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
You mean me?
I can’t seem to get anything to link properly.
I’m going to try again here, but if it doesn’t work, just Google “Vincent D’Onofrio”.
talacaris: Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
What I mean is that a creepy look can come from film quality, shadows, or just a bad reaction to the flash of the camera, and many other things.
What link?
And yes, those things, in a still image (save the “film quality”, which is a nebulous thing, and means, in context, nothing), but the flip side of that is, barring a dating site, those things will not exist in a flesh and blood encounter.