Dear Men Who Hate Ladies: How do I make my boner go away?
Women -- don't let them tempt you with their witchy ways!
Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Posted on November 26, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, cupcake, disgusting women, evil women, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, sex, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 1,197 Comments.
Wow. I think he’s actually embarrassed. In his way.
Gosh, NWO, I didn’t know you spoke Spanish.
And I didn’t know that words written in the roman alphabet counted as “foreign letters”.
Other gay or bisexual people:
Julius Caesar
Alan Turing
Oscar Wilde
Walt Whitman
Elton John
Ian McKellan
Plato
Socrates
Richard I (the Lion Hearted)
Gertrude Stein
Alexander the Great
Freddie Mercury
And that’s all without using Google.
Don’t forget Leonarda a Vinci and Michelangelo Buonarroti.
“Leonardo Da Vinci”, rather.
I looked up the correct spelling of “Buonarroti” but didn’t bother to fix that. Oy.
@David Futrelle
Sorry to not actually flounce when I said I would but one last comment if you’ll permit me.
If you calculate the number of mass murderers who are gay as oppossed to their percentage within the population, doesn’t that make bi/gays about 15x as likely to be a mass murderer?
Also, if you calculate the number of rapes of boys/men, including prison rapes, doesn’t that make bi/gays 15x as likely to be a rapist? Just so we’re clear on who is bi/gay, the definining act of bi/gay is man having sex with a boy/man.
“Also, if you calculate the number of rapes of boys/men, including prison rapes, doesn’t that make bi/gays 15x as likely to be a rapist? Just so we’re clear on who is bi/gay, the definining act of bi/gay is man having sex with a boy/man.”
So you’ve now decided that, when calculating the total number of rapes, rapes of women and girls just don’t count at all?
I mean, it’s not like we didn’t know that about you, but it’s kind of you to finally state it so clearly so that we have it there for future reference.
Perfectly straight men rape other men. It’s an act of domination and to humiliate the victim.
This part isn’t verifiable. A man by the name of Ludwig Tiene was a kapo at Auschwitz, but the source of the story is from the writings of Yehel Dinur, who wrote under the pseudonym Ka-Tzetnik. Although he was a Holocaust survivor, his books contain heavy fictional elements, and I wouldn’t trust them without independent verification.
Yeah, NWOslave, go ahead and tell prison rapists they’re gay.
YEHIEL, sorry. I accidentally the spelling.
Arks: Well, that’s a depressing way to think about it.
I prefer to think of everyone as beautiful. Just talking about the people on this site whose pics I’ve seen (and, uh, remember): Holly has a dreadfully cute smile. Ami has awesome hair. Spear has the coolest sense of style. Nobby looks adorably like an ancient Greek satyr. Pecunium has nice hands. Et cetera, et cetera. Even the ones I’m less than attracted to… with a little practice, you can see something beautiful about everyone. The world I live in is one full of gorgeous people, and that makes me so happy.
I pity you that you feel like you have to live in a world of ugliness.
I don’t know. What raw numbers are you using?
That’s not something you can just drop down as a rhetorical question. All you’ve stated is “if there are more gay murderers, there are more gay murderers.” Well, yes, but how many gay murderers or rapists are there?
“I can name five or six really gross ones” is not the answer.
Wait a minute NWO, I thought you were a Holocaust denier! How is it that when you finally admit that persecution of Jews took place, that the Nazis were bad, it’s in the context of accepting the most half-baked pseudo-history to hit the stacks since Spear of Destiny? You’re an iron-ribbed skeptic, until the story’s about those evil gays, and then any lurid atrocity tale will do. What do you think the Holocaust looked like? The Nazis are just minding their business, until GAYS OUT OF NOWHERE?
das vi danya
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This is apropos of very little, but I used to think that “say la vee” was the single worst homophonic butchery of a common non-English phrase ever written. It has now been bumped.
I’m honestly impressed, NWO.
Maybe that’s how they say it in your trailer park, but where I come from, that’s not how you say it. For fuck’s sake, if you are using a word in a language you don’t know (which you don’t, obviously), at least give yourself the trouble to look it up, okay? It’s one word, ignoramus, and you misspelled it to boot. Or are you claiming that “teaching controversy” would involve Russian professors teach gibberish as “Russian”?
That doesn’t pass what we edumacated folk call “academic rigor”. That’s because (1) all civilizations, societies, nation-stations, etc. collapse at some point; (2) since there are always gays in the population, you can always blame societal collapse on them; and (3) since “accepted gayness as the norm” is a very vague concept, you can always claim that a given society collapsed because it didn’t oppress gay people enough.
Also, how do you define a civilization as “collapsed”? Are you referring to a political collapse or cultural extinction? I ask because, you see, Ancient Greece is widely seen as the cradle of Western Civilization, with such a profound influence that it’s fair to say we are still living in the Greek Age. And yet, ancient Greek societies accepted gayness as normal (within certain parameters), some even encouraged it. And Greece didn’t even exist as a nation-state until the 19th century. Neither or these things stopped Greece from shaping the West as we know it today.
Also:
“When we have meat before us and such eatables we receive the impression,
that this is the dead body of a fish, and this is the dead body of
a bird or of a pig; and again, that this Falernian is only a little
grape juice, and this purple robe some sheep’s wool dyed with the
blood of a shell-fish: such then are these impressions, and they reach
the things themselves and penetrate them, and so we see what kind
of things they are. Just in the same way ought we to act all through
life, and where there are things which appear most worthy of our approbation,
we ought to lay them bare and look at their worthlessness and strip
them of all the words by which they are exalted.”
The MGTOW ought to study their classics.
@VoiP
“This part isn’t verifiable. A man by the name of Ludwig Tiene was a kapo at Auschwitz, but the source of the story is from the writings of Yehel Dinur, who wrote under the pseudonym Ka-Tzetnik. Although he was a Holocaust survivor, his books contain heavy fictional elements, and I wouldn’t trust them without independent verification.”
I just can’t resist one last comment, you guys are making this too damned easy. If I had said this about a man who had done this to girls, everyone of you would’ve screamed, “rape apologist.” Everyone of you would’ve screamed how I condone the rape and murder of young girls.
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@Joanna
“Perfectly straight men rape other men. It’s an act of domination and to humiliate the victim.”
The only way to be gay is to have sex with the same gender. The very act of a man having sex with a man/boy is the defining act of being gay. The only way to actually be gay is for a man to have sex with a man/boy. You simply can’t be gay otherwise. It might be an act of domination and humiliation. Which makes it a gay act of domination and humiliation. They could’ve just as easily beat the crap out of someone and made them eat dog poop as an act of domination and humiliation. The fact that a man doesn’t do that but instead has rapes them makes it a gay act. A man just can’t have sex with a man/boy without being gay.
If the only way to be gay was to have sex with men and boys, I was asexual until I was seventeen. Huh, all that frantic masturbation and porn-writing would have made me think differently…
Oh, so when I was attracted to a girl, and we dated, and cuddled and kissed and shared a bed, but never actually had sex (this was in high school), that was really straight of us?
But I’ve had sex with a couple girls by now so I guess I’m a lesbian now. I’ll let my boyfriend know.
” A man just can’t have sex with a man/boy without being gay.”
Yes they can.
NWO, you really need to write more precisely. If we were to belive the illogical drivel that you just posted, straight women would be gay, since they’ve had sex with men, and lesbians would be straight, if they have not had sex with men.
NWO, have you heard of the concept of “situational sexuality”?
Er, this might come across as saying that I hope NWOslave gets raped, which I don’t. I phrased very poorly. Sorry about that.
It’s just that I doubt many prison rapists identify as gay in any way, shape or form. They happen to rape men because men are all they have access to. They’re really a perfect example of how rape is about power and not the attractiveness of the victim.
“They’re really a perfect example of how rape is about power and not the attractiveness of the victim.”
When you read the PUA dribble it’s all about power, putting a bitch in her place etc, rather than actually being attracted to a woman.
*busily adds all this to the Book of Larnin’*
Perhaps the story of how the word sodomite came to be.
Voila:
The Bible: it’s full of surprises when you actually read it!
Spear: Man, I didn’t even see the “I hope you get raped” interpretation. I just thought the rapists would laugh at him.
I may or may not have too much faith in human nature…
“I just thought the rapists would laugh at him.”
I thought they’d knock his teeth out =o
Thinking the sin of Sodom was homosexuality requires you to believe that God was totally down with angel rape if it happenef to be heterosexual.
Why does no one ever get called a Gomorrhite?
Spelling considerations.
I see Slavey was attempting math again. I imagine he won’t get very far again with all the numbers he will likely pull out of thin air.
Leaving aside that Owly for some reason expects us to take the Bible seriously as some sort of history, it is highly dubious that Sodom was about homosexuality at all. Many Bibles will translate the verb yada “to know” as “intercourse” in the Sodom story but the context just does not bear that out. More likely it has to do with Xenopohobia and the ethic of hospitality, which was far more important in those times than it is today–imagine traveling from town to town without being able to expect an inn or hotel to be able to go to, relying on the kindness
of strangers just to move about
and you’ll understand. For the curious, there is a similar story around Judges 20-22 which also implies that the men of the town want to rape some strange man–to read my oxford annotated, anyways–but makes the case for the hospitality ethic in its content. [trigger warning: this is the Bible, folks.] Anyone who wants to have a good snicker at Owly’s literalism should read the aftermath of the Sodom story, in which Lot’s daughters get him drunk and use him to get themselves pregnant. Note how one of the resulting children is named Maob: it’s one big yo’ momma joke aimed at the Moabites. Crumb did a comic illustrating Genesis, including this part.
…why is NWO nicknamed Owly?
Hrm… it might be the first time I’ve seen him called as such. Usually in my head he is just slavey or owlslave.
Maybe he’d be happier if someone petted him?
There was some very convoluted in-joke where we somehow extrapolated NWOslave would be happier as an owl, Ozy. Maybe someone else remembers it better than I do? >.>
I don’t know why, but I’m fairly sure I picked it up from Ami.
Holly: LMAO.
We wanted something less abelist to call him than IdiotSlave. I think.
It just seems cruel to the owls to compare them to NWOSlave…
What sickens me most about the “gay nazi” lies of right wingers is that gay and bi men were hit hard by the Holocaust and the Nazi regimes, and when the prisoners were taken from the concentration camps, gay and bi prisoners were often put into prisons by the Allies. The numbers vary, but the estimates tend to be at least 5,000 to 10,000 gay and men sent to concentration camps, and at least an additional 100,000 incarcerated or castrated (as well as an unknown number sent to mental institutions and through them killed or tortured). Historical estimates tend to say that about 60% of gay and bi men arrested by the Nazis did not survive. To add further injury, the imprisonment by the Allies and denial of reparations, pensions, and other support given to many other survivors makes it likely that a large number died after the war ended as well.
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/
http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/?lang=en&content=gays
And those are the statistics discussing gay and bi victims who were targeted based on sexuality, there were also, obviously, victims targeting for other reasons, such as religion, ethnicity, disability, political views, etc. who were also gay or bi.
Huh. So, all it takes is one act of sex with a partner of the same sex to make a person gay. One moment of experimentation in college, one incident of playing doctor with your best friend–a lifetime of heterosexual behavior can’t erase the gay.
It’s the one-drop theory of sexuality.
Thinking the sin of Sodom was homosexuality requires you to believe that God was totally down with angel rape if it happenef to be heterosexual.
…well, God is surprisingly down with rape (also infanticide and genocide).
And yet, ancient Greek societies accepted gayness as normal (within certain parameters), some even encouraged it.
iirc, most of the “gayness” they encouraged was pedophilia.
DSC, thanks for posting that. It’s important when you get all caught up in the conspiracy theories not to forget how real, non-hypothetical gay people have been treated.
Pterygotus: Ancient Greek pederasty was pedophilia in much the same way that the tendency of thirtysomething men to marry teenage women in the same time period was pedophilia. Besides, we do have evidence of some same-age homosexual relationships, most notably Alexander the Great and his lover Hephaeston, possibly Achillies and Patroclus, and all of the slutting-about Alcibiades did.
So NWOslave’s thinking pedophilia and gayness are *always* the same thing is Classical?
I thought NWO didn’t believe in the Holocaust?
I… may be a little touchy about defending ancient Greece from charges of pedophilia.
Ithiliana@5:10pm:
Thank you so much for this! I’ve not seen any of it and I’m so glad you posted it.
*goes off to educate self*
Honestly, I fail to see what the big deal is. A segment of men are choosing to find alternative means to curb their libido via masturbation, porn, prostitutes, etc…
Whoopty friggin doo…who cares what they do since it doesn’t affect your life or my life in any meaningful way?
Ozymandias, you can stop talking about ancient Greece to seem smart, we all know you’re not smart.
Also, this.
Brandon: *points to tagline*
“Misogyny: I ignore it because it’s no big deal really and who cares.”
Coincidentally, the same author actually did write a book about the lives of female sex slaves in the Holocaust, similarly pornographic and lurid, and similarly fake: he claimed to have based on the story of his sister’s life, for instance, but he didn’t have a sister. Far from being praised as an example of how Men=Bad, Women=Good, this book is infamous as an example of historical falsehood and it is not taught as history.
And you haven’t responded about how as soon as there are gays to bash, the Holocaust is COMPLETELY OK in terms of factual correctness for you.
@Holly: I fail to see what these men are doing, is somehow harmful to women…especially since they are taking the “avoid women” route.
So what we have here is a bunch of men, that for whatever reasons (real or perceived) have regretted having women in their life and are taking pro-active steps to prevent feeling regret again.
Their choices aren’t 1) harming me 2) harming you 3) harming society 4) is legal…so what is the big deal?
MRAL: *shrug* I don’t talk about things to sound smart. I talk about things because they interest me and because I still have not grasped the concept that other people can be bored by things I find fascinating.
SMALL CORRECTION: It’s on the high school curriculum in Israel, but I have no idea why. If there are any Israelis in this thread, what the hell, people?
MRAL, and “we” all know this how? Ozy seems intelligent enough.
Mocking them isn’t 1, 2, 3, or 4 either.
What’s your big deal?
Well, feminism is just like the KKK and the Nazis, but targets men. So there’s that.
@Moe: See…you’re learning!
You do realize, Brandon, that people interact with each other every day without the intent to fuck each other? In stores, on the street, in classrooms, at work, so much interaction, so little fucking of everyone in sight…
Sorry to not actually flounce when I said I would but one last comment if you’ll permit me.
Good grid, no need to apologize. It’s not as though anybody actually *believed* you would flounce, or that you would limit yourself to ‘one last comment’ after not sticking the flounce. Hell, if I had a buck for every time Brandon’s pretended to stalk off or get the last word in, I could pay Futrelle’s hosting fees until the sun cooled.
But yes, it is hilarious how homophobic MRAs are – I can think of one pretty moderate men’s rights activist who is pro-LGBT rights and he regularly gets shit about it. You’d think the obvious solution would be for them to start having relationships only with each other (no child support! no baby-mamas! no icky vaginas! and everybody knows men give the best blowjobs!).
@darksidecat: I realize it very well. There are tons of groups I interact with that I have no desire to fuck.
Whether I’m intelligent depends rather on how you’re measuring intelligence. I’m bad at numbers but good with logic. I can’t tell what other people are feeling or avoid accidentally insulting people but I’m pretty good at managing my own emotions. I have no street smarts or common sense but I have an extensive vocabulary. I can recall quotes from books I last read six years ago well enough to Google up the actual quote, but I can’t remember where I left my wallet. Smart or dumb or both? I say, like most people, I’m both in different situations.
Actually, having learned that, I am stupider than I was before. I am thus anti-learning.
If you keep un-learning things at that rate maybe some day you will be as ignorant as Brandon is. Admittedly it’s going to take a while, but be patient and some day you too will achieve the summit of selfish dumbassery that Brandon has long since reached.