Dear Men Who Hate Ladies: How do I make my boner go away?
Women -- don't let them tempt you with their witchy ways!
Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Posted on November 26, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, cupcake, disgusting women, evil women, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misogyny, oppressed men, penises, sex, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 1,197 Comments.
Polliwog – Huh, you can’t wear a belt? I honestly never considered that. I have a kind of manly shape myself–big belly, flat ass–so I need to wear a belt with most pants. But I never realized that some people actually can’t make a belt fit.
Not well, nope. I mean, if I had the money to get all my pants professionally tailored, I could wear baggier things and not look silly, but as it is, even wearing stretchy pants, I pretty much always have to wear relatively long, baggy tops to cover up the large amount of excess fabric at the waistband.
It’s annoying. I’m cis and largely comfortable with being a woman in a very female-looking body (think Christina Hendricks, but shorter and a lot less staggeringly gorgeous), but god knows there are times when I really, really want to trade and be a dude for a while, and “when shopping for pants” ranks high on the list of those times. (Probably beaten out only by “when shopping for bras.” I hate shopping for bras.)
Too bad, really. I get to be not-slutty and you don’t. That’s sure a, uh, real animalistic thing you’re doing to men there, having a different-shaped torso from me!
I know, right? I’m such a filthy animal with my “having big boobs and hips.” I do it on purpose just to torment men! The back pain and lack of clothes that actually fit me are just perks, really.
NWO, you’re the one making men into animals by implying they can’t control the whole harassing and rape thing you dolt. Don’t try and drag the rest of the male population down the drain with you.
To clarify here, by “animal-like state,” you mean not wearing a belt?
Fair enough. I suppose animals don’t wear belts.
But I tell you what, NWO: I have seen the light. I don’t want to be an animal any more! I want to be a human being! Tell me how!
Is it just the belt thing? I already did that. So we’re good. (I’m also dressed, as I mentioned, entirely in men’s clothes except for a very unsexy bra. So I’m having trouble seeing how I’m any more animal than a guy with my proportions.)
It’s ridiculous anyway. I’ve been playing along here, but you should know this is all ridiculous. Men are able to make choices, you misandrist. They can choose to learn what harms and distresses others and decide not to do those things. If they don’t do that, they aren’t animals; they’re evil human beings.
@Holly Pervocracy
Ahhh the cougar myth. No one finds them sexy, young men just fuck them because the hot young girls are in an animal frenzy fucking the rock stars, athletes, men of talent, power and wealth. Most of those cougars are the used cast-offs of the rock stars, athletes, men of talent, power and wealth.
NWO, I have to go to class, but you should know that you’ve long since past the point where you’re describing events on Earth.
(To be fair, how would you know? As far as I can tell you don’t have friends, don’t watch TV, don’t read the news, and don’t go outside much, so I’m not sure where you would have learned about Earth. But you should recognize that limitation.)
What you’re describing is so far outside human experience that it’s not even hurtful anymore. You could replace “man” and “woman” with anything. “Wugs are animalistic beasts who will get their comeuppance from zugs! Zugs are only attracted to wugs for their bodies!” Makes as much sense as anything.
Can someone add a script that inserts [citation needed] after every post by NWO? It’d save a whole lot of time.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Men are able to make choices, you misandrist.”
Nice try Holly dearest. Women are also able to make choices. They’ve chosen, en masse, to act like animals in heat. Oddly enough, as history has shown, when women decide it’s their right to act like animals in heat, they’re eventually treated like animals in heat.
Devolving into animals? What, are we on Pleasure Island now?
I want to act not like an animal in heat! Tell me HOW!
@Joanna
They’re ACTION FIGURES!!!!
@DKM, you know all this sexbot talk is all fun and games until they seduce your top scientist, get the codes to the mainframe and nuke the planet. Next thing you know you’re being chased all over the galaxy trusting in some woo mumbo-jumbo and trying to make your scientist put his pants on and figure out where the 13th colony is!
@ NWA
Sam Tredwell is that you? I’m sorry, we’ve discontinued the Cherry 2000 line of fembots.
So…guys want to have sex with animals in heat? That throws a new light on animal husbandry.
@Holly Pervocracy
” (To be fair, how would you know? As far as I can tell you don’t have friends, don’t watch TV, don’t read the news, and don’t go outside much, so I’m not sure where you would have learned about Earth. But you should recognize that limitation.)”
When I dare to describe your life you mock me with, “what are you psycic?”
In the spirit of one-upmanship. What are you using womens intuition and psycic powers?
@katz
“So…guys want to have sex with animals in heat?”
Nah, guys want to make love to loyal, intelligent women of integrity.
Hahahaha, I made a joke. I used loyal, intelligent and integrity in the same sentence as women. Ya get it.
I’m using the fact that you didn’t respond with “of course I have friends!”
It doesn’t even insult any more, NWO. It’s clear that “woman,” like harassment, is just one of those words you’ve capriciously redefined. Maybe WUGS aren’t loyal or honorable. Maybe that’s what you’re trying to say.
@Holly Pervocracy
“I’m using the fact that you didn’t respond with “of course I have friends!”
Oh the pain! The gospel according to Poly-Holly has spoken. So it is written so it shall be done.
…By the way, is anyone else getting some weird dissonance between “women never get harassed!” and “women get harassed because they deserve it!”?
So men typically rape animals in heat, now? Not only am I naturally a rapist I’m also naturally into beastiality, according to Owly!
But I’m game. Please provide documented historical examples of women acting like animals in heat and men raping them en masse because of it. Remember to cite your sources. I know you hate “wiki-smarts” but feel free to use wikipedia as a resource to find more scholarly sources.
Aw, so you don’t have friends. I almost feel bad for you. You should really find some people you have more in common with than us. You could make friends on some conspiracy theory or far-right political boards, I’d guess. Even that could cheer you up.
*Bestiality, that one always gets me. Because I’m a man, after all.
@Holly Pervocracy
Dogs are loyal. Jealous?
Hey! How do you tell who loves ya more, your dog or your woman?
Lock them both in the trunk for an hour, and see which one is happy to see you when you let them out.
Hahahaha! I slay me!
Any talent a woman has, money, power, ability by a woman is never seen by men as sexually desirable, ever. Never in any culture anywhere in the world no matter how secluded has a woman ever been considered sexually desirable due to anything but her body, ever.
Nah, guys want to make love to loyal, intelligent women of integrity.
So, loyalty, intelligence, and integrity are body parts, then? Where is your integrity? Is it near your spleen?
Seriously, dude, can you even keep your own stupid assertions straight?
NWO:
I’ve often had cause to wonder which planet NWO inhabits, and tonight is no different.
Mind you, since he clearly thinks that women are one stage lower than vermin, it’s easy to see why he personally has never been attracted to one on the grounds of talent, intelligence, wit or any of the countless other factors besides physical attributes that have attracted me to my various partners over the years – but just because he says it don’t mean it’s true.
But we all knew that anyway.
@Polliwog
“So, loyalty, intelligence, and integrity are body parts, then? Where is your integrity? Is it near your spleen?”
Loyalty, honor and integrity ain’t on the table princess. The only offer is 5th hand sex if your lucky.
There was a video that went pre-internet viral with a few of the members of the Go Gos doing dreadfully naughty things with young men. It was a terrible scandal at the time.
Come on, Owly. Just one source.
That or admit you’re pulling it out of your ass.
5th hand sex? I…I don’t even know.
Apparently men and women only have one ‘sex’ to give out and this gets passed around like a parcel I guess? Or maybe the one sex you have is used and then given back but 2nd hand usually only refers to owners so…Wha?
Right, NWO, I’m still waiting to hear about how I’m disloyal. I keep asking. Why aren’t you answering?
(Also, how is it even POSSIBLE for every woman to be offering “fifth hand sex”? Even if we accept the weird-ass premise that sex can somehow be “handed down” from previous partners, how is it actually possible for men NEVER to be the first, second, third, or fourth sexual partner a woman has had? Are we all just having wild lesbian orgies in preschool to make sure we get partners 1-4 out of the way in time to offer only “fifth hand sex”? Because I’ve got to tell you, I’m pretty sure my preschool skipped the lesbian orgy part of the apparently-standard-in-NWOland curriculum.)
@Holly
I always thought that was mandatory…?
There’s a chattybox? DAMN YOU IE7!
You mean the one that escaped from assault then returned to *ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON*? Yea! Verily do I remember him! What of it?
Can you imagine how MRAs would flip their shit if someone made that dog joke about men? But NWO’s off the rails right now.
“If my lucky” what?
Apparently men and women only have one ‘sex’ to give out and this gets passed around like a parcel I guess?
Where’s my sex? I thought it was here…
@Polliwog
I don’t know, are you loyal? Or presently loyal? Loyal for a time?
The 5th hand sex is easy.
100 girls
100 guys
20 of the guys are men of wealth/talent.
100 girls intermitently fuck the 20 men of wealth/talent averaging 4 apiece.
80 men get squat on the young kitten love
Years later 20 men of wealth/talent get new squad of young girls.
Years later, the women who gave their good kitten love to the 20 men of wealth/talent will graciously allow 80 losers to pick up the pieces. 5th hand sex.
Luckily, more men than ever are saying, “if the kitten didn’t want me, I don’t want the cat!”
I’m pretty sure you mean 100 wugs fucking 20 zugs, because I’ve never noticed women to do that, and you don’t even know what women do.
5th hand sex–when Kali gives you a hand job, but isn’t really paying attention to it.
Is this like that old joke about physicists assuming spherical cows?
NWO is using a highly simplified and unrealistic metaphor for complex real life phenomena. To create something worthless to real, actual humans?
Oh god, it’s about milk production too. It’s perfect for Slavey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow
@Holly Pervocracy
Did my joke damage your sensibilities? Was it too much for you dear? Go write about how you feinted and swooned at the harsh language. Put it on your blog, right under some violent, beat-down sex promotion. You poor thing!
“Has anyone ever followed you around for months at a time continually hurling insults at you? If that hasn’t happened, you’ve never been harrassed.”
Yes. Yes they have.
@Holly Pervocracy
Have you given your virginity to your present lover?
Can I have a show of hands as to which of you darlings is with her first boyfriend?
I know the number, zero.
I rest my case.
The modern day womans motto… “You can do better!”
NWO: I told you people long ago the end result of women devolving down to an animalistic state. Right now, in the western world women have no sexual control. Contrary to the popular belief amongst feminists, men and women are different.
Right, you think men can’t control themselves in the presence of a woman they are attracted to and will raper her.
This, somehow, is shameful on the part of women.
You’re one to talk about damaged sensibilities, NWOslave. Weren’t you the one demanding apologies from every commenter here because people made fun of your lousy grammar?
@Pecunium
Women can’t control themselves.
Isn’t that shameful? Oh whiteknight of the internet.
@Spearhafoc
No. I demanded apologies because everyone of you was wrong. You simply attacked me because it was me.
What should women wear, NWOslave? What would be acceptable attire that wouldn’t cause men to rape them?
NWO: Since virtually all women wear as little as possible and all women support the right of women to wear as little as they wish,
really…. Virtually all… so what… 95 percent? I’ll bet you’ve not been to Queens lately, or, for that matter, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake, or Milpitas.
And All Women Support it? Have you been to Quiver sites?
I didn’t think so.
And anyway, you’ve said it’s winner take all.
You’re losing, and to the victor belong the spoils right? You’d make women your slaves; you’ll just have to suck it up if they choose to do it to you.
Oh, poor baby.
@Polliwog
I don’t know, are you loyal? Or presently loyal? Loyal for a time?
You tell me! Here’s the post you still haven’t answered: http://manboobz.com/2011/11/26/dear-men-who-hate-ladies-how-do-i-make-my-boner-go-away/comment-page-9/#comment-88483 You insisted all women are disloyal because we have sexual agency and wear clothes. I want to hear about my disloyalty!
Also, even in your stupid example, 20% of men got “first hand sex.” You still haven’t explained how this is meaningfully different from and better than “fifth hand sex,” of course.
NWO: Men rape women… isn’t that shameful?
You think men don’t have the ability to not rape women. Isn’t that shameful?
So, uh, I’ve had sex, QED.
BUT I WEAR A BELT!
@ozymandias42
“Yes. Yes they have.”
Then name that person. Why would protect someone who did that? Unless you’re lying and it never happened.
@Pecunium
You think women don’t have the ability to not devolve down to an animalistic state? How very misogynist of you!
@Penucium
http://www.scotweb.co.uk
You have to pay the import tariff, but the quality is top notch for the price.
NWOslave, what should women wear that’s not animalistic?
Your refusal to answer proves that there is no answer. There’s nothing women could possibly wear that still couldn’t be used to blame them for their own rapes. You’re a misogynist and nothing more.
What’s that? You’re not? Well then, answer the question.
His name was [name redacted]. It was sophomore year of high school. I didn’t report it because I was shy and scared and I thought that reporting it would make me weak, and anyway it happened in front of my teachers and they didn’t care so why would they care if I reported it? Besides, I didn’t want to make a fuss and have everyone blame me for it.
@Holly Pervocracy
Have you given your virginity to your present lover?
Can I have a show of hands as to which of you darlings is with her first boyfriend?
I know the number, zero.
I rest my case.
Man, it’d be funny if real court cases went like this. “Did you kill the victim? I know the answer: yes. I rest my case!” Who needs pesky things like facts when you can just assert shit and have it magically become true!
Cutting through the misogynistic blatherings, Ed1974 does in fact raise a question that in my opinion deserves an answer: If a heterosexual person for some reason (whether out of ideology or necessity) wishes to (or must) live an asexual life, how can he/she do so without frustration and misery? Some religious celibates talk about “sublimation”, and how repressing sexual urges combined with some creative outlet can work various wonders – but in reality, it seems that this form of sexual repression usually just leads to tragedy and abuse. Also, I suppose going that particular way works best for religious types.
Hating the sex one feels sexual desire for is also not likely to accomplish anything. First, it rules out friendship and cooperation with about half of the people one is likely to meet. Second, hatred is an intense and overpowering feeling. A heterosexual misogynist man wishing to live as an asexual who spends all his time hating women thus also spends all his time *thinking about* women, which probably just intensifies the misery and frustration involved – and the same would probably apply to a heterosexual misandrist woman.
I don’t have a good answer; it’s something I have personally struggled with for most of my adult life. But I can imagine that it is something that at least one person on a board discussing gender issues has pondered.
Question: if I can provide letters of reference that prove that my first five partners were all virginal and kind of losers (very far from men of wealth or talent!), do I get an exception from being a slut?
@Polliwog
If you’ve had sex with so many other men it quite clearly shows you have a loyalty factor of zero. Let’s be real here. What can you possibly say, “I love you. I never leave you. You’re the only one.” Ya said that to all the rest as well. It didn’t mean shit then.
NWO, stop acting as if you care about the significant others of anyone here. We all know the real problem here is that none of us, nor any other woman, are offering up our virginity to you.
Hey, I’m a virgin! Guess what? My magical pure status not only allows me to pet unicorns, I also get to point out that you’re wrong as hell.
@Spearhafoc
Oh, if I don’t answer your question I’ll be a misogynist? In case you’ve just slipped into this century, any disagreement with a woman makes you a misogynist. So I might as well just be one to the best of my ability.
If you’ve had sex with so many other men it quite clearly shows you have a loyalty factor of zero. Let’s be real here. What can you possibly say, “I love you. I never leave you. You’re the only one.” Ya said that to all the rest as well. It didn’t mean shit then.
So many? How many other men have I had sex with, NWO? Do tell!
NWO -= “What can you possibly say, “I love you. I never leave you. You’re the only one.” Ya said that to all the rest as well. It didn’t mean shit then.”
What if you didn’t say that. What if you said, “I don’t want a relationship right now. Sex is fine, and friendship, but i’m saving my loyalty and heart for my true love, so don’t get too attached. As long as you’re fine with that, we can have something. ”
So the true love does get a loyalty and words of love that nobody else ever had.
Thoughts?
My wife was extremely promiscuous in her late 20s and early 30s – she had her reasons, and I respect them. In a nutshell, after she’d managed to extricate herself from a disastrous marriage, she was determined to catch up on all the fun she’d missed out on in her early to mid 20s.
And after having had said fun, she decided to look for a long-term partner – which is when I entered the picture. And yes, she was more than capable of saying convincingly “I love you. I’ll never leave you. You’re the only one”, because her motives in getting together with me were fundamentally different. With the others, she wanted a quick shag. With me, she wanted kids, a home life together, sharing my bed every night, the works. In other words, I passed tests that she didn’t even apply to the others.
NWOslave wrote, “A womans body is her sexuality. See my above post. A mans sexuality are his actions. Which is why women go after athletes, men in power, men of talent, musicians, artists and such. None of these men need to be exceptionally handsome or anything. The power/talent is a mans sexuality.”
I wonder if NWOslave is aware of the existence of porn for straight women? Surprisingly, it’s full of pictures of NAKED MEN!
Filament Magazine (Which is closing down, alas!) has nothing but pictures of hot men, made by women. Chicks swoon over that dude in Twilight (and even though I’m not a fan of Twilight, I wouldn’t kick Robert Pattinson out of the bed for eating crackers.) And then there’s slash fiction…
MollyRen – And Yaoi. So I’ve heard. ;)
Owly’s standard for loyalty: only ever having sex with one person.
Reasonable person’s standard for loyalty: being loyal when and if you say you will be.
I see the jackass’ entirely single direction of this. Does he?
What the fuck makes you think people say this every time they’ve had sex? Oh right, the fact that you’re a fucking moron.
Yeah, he must’ve belted back a few to give him some false bravado after his brief sojourn into the valley of “Waaaaaah!!! You’re all MEAN to me, and Pecunium thinks I’m disgusting!!”
Hey, like you said, it’s in our biology to do that…. so if you’re one of the 80 who gets squat, then just suck it up!!